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The following sentence removed since I cant get what does it mean: Its name seems to have been re-interpreted as Greek for "resembling something which throws/fires above".-- Nixer 15:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
"All or most rayguns are fictional" sounds nonsense. Continued with "as far as now known". As far as known by who? If "it is known that bear is a mammal", you don't say "bear is mammal as far as known", right? Or is the sentence trying to say "as far as Wikipedians know"?
Anthony Appleyard 22:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
The Air Force's Airborne Laser will be the first high power laser weapon system deployed. This has the power output and range reminisent of the 1953 version of War of the Worlds. See Air Force link below. http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/abl/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.172.42 ( talk) 08:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thumb|Supercapacitors chart It is unlikely that any current "rayguns" can compete with existing firearms. It may be possible to carry a raygun which could kill, but it would be too bulky and cumbersome to be considered for use by the military, unless it was mounted on a vehicle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.146.20 ( talk) 09:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
now where's that template? Blueaster 01:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone give any more information on the US Military's new ray gun for crowd control? The CNN article is very brief. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amphion ( talk • contribs) 23:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
What a horrible article about such a wonderful subject —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vstarre ( talk • contribs) 21:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC).
what about the input devices using laser to point? they've been called laser guns too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.81.214 ( talk) 03:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The name of the article, "Raygun", while a nod to classic sci-fi, seems both dated and a poor descriptive term. As the article itself notes, the ray terminology is more common before the invention of the laser. And rays and beams (connotation of continuous energy stream) don't really capture the many sci-fi weapons with individual bolts or pulses of whatever energy they fire.
It seems a more technical name, Fictional_Energy_Weapons or Directed-energy_Weapons_(fictional), more broadly describes the subject material. Or merge parts of it under Science_fiction_weapon. In fact, the sci-fi weapon article has links for articles on the weapons of various sci-fi settings.
The long list of weapons and descriptions seems pointless, as they all seem to be covered in their own articles. A smaller list, perhaps of the "influential" (either through being well known or the direct inspirations for more popular sci-fi) weapons in sci-fi history would be better use of suce a list. Possibly as its own separate article, eg Science_fiction_weapon_history (or evolution?).
The types section perhaps should make a distinction between "soft" and "hard" sci-fi (and the spectrum between) types, and more distinctly have categories (such as continuous beam types, "bolt" types, laser-like, rapid pulse types - as sort of meta-categories, not an attempt to somehow relate various different settins technologies).
Not sure there needs to be a real rayguns section, since its all covered under the Direct-energy weapons article (and if not, then why not?)
Joiry 19:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Anthony, you are in danger of 3RR. Jddphd 23:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Eyrian - it doesn't look like you are helping the situation.
Can you both perhaps try to reach a consensus. Jddphd 23:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
(See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Eyrian)
For section Thermal lance#Appearances in fiction, see:
There seem to be these topics here:
To be honest, the OR and RS problems are not major; only interpretation needs a source, or non-obvious instances. Saying "there is a raygun used in Episode 9 of Futurama" does not need a source; it's a simply, uncontroversial statement of fact. However, it's still trivia -- and the guideline in question is WP:TRIVIA. The key here is that the material should be integrated into the body of the article -- i.e. write an article about it; not a list and not a table. A list of examples is not encyclopedic -- there is no context for discussion, or interpretation. A list, or table, of examples can, and could, be replaced by "rayguns have appeared in many different media"; the two add the same merit to the article. What should be written is a section explaining why certain examples are important, or how they add to the understanding of rayguns, and their role in culture. Don't just list them -- write an article using them; for instance, if you wanted to emphasize that they have been widely used, mention a few examples across different media. If you want to explain that they play a certain role, cite a source, and use an example to illustrate the point. A table is not the way to go here. -- Haemo 07:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I have closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rayguns in fiction and redirected the article here. Note that I realized after the fact that the nomination was a bit pointy and I now realize that this is really an editorial dispute. It should be treated accordingly which, I suppose, is what this closure does. Pascal.Tesson 16:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Did you see the thing at the top of the article that says: This article is about fictional devices. See Directed-energy weapon for various real weapons which are similar to rayguns. That's where the "whole article about that" is. Totnesmartin 23:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
"The shapes of some rayguns are influenced by an opinion that they look most effective and weapon-like if they look somewhat like real guns; others, such as this, are not."
Sorry, what is all that about? It and the picture barely seems relevant to the article... am I missing someting? JackorKnave ( talk) 21:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
While I'm by no means the world's biggest fan of Captain Proton (I'd just as soon beam him into the 7th Dimension), I do recall a mention of a different weapon than the standard blaster, referred to as a "comatizer" (presumably from its ability lethal to induce coma). I suspect this is what's known as a blaster. Can somebody who has a better idea how "ST:V"'s writers think check & add? TREKphiler hit me ♠ 04:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
There's already handheld laser cutters i.e. a laser the cuts metal for only a couple hundred bucks. So I'm sure some company that's decided to go for the raygun gimmick. In fact I Googled it up and this is what I found. http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/03/handheld-laser-gun-available-for-purchase/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.4.228 ( talk) 01:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, but add the lightsaber to the related articles of See Also, since the technology and types of weapons are related and it would be good for the See Also articles along with Energy Swords if that is even an article. 2600:1700:BCE0:A230:3D9E:B307:38EA:4B7C ( talk) 18:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
the images aren't of terribly low quality but they do still seem to follow a central theme as said in the first comment on this. It needs examples of different representations of rayguns. Appleyard's argument can be ignored as there are numerous other articles of fictional things but still manage to have images with some diversity. The entire article is a mess overall, and the list of rayguns needs to be put in another article. The article itself is a mess and may need to be entirely rewritten. TheClippingCow ( talk) 17:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
The idea of rayguns came about at the time when the idea of radiation was new; cathode ray tubes were invented in the 1870s, the X-ray was discovered in 1895, and Becquerel ray in 1896. By 1898 when H.G. Wells wrote about a "Heat-Ray", radium had just been discovered, and x-rays and ultraviolet rays started being used for therapies. Cathode ray tubes were also sometimes referred to as "cathode ray guns" or "electron guns". The idea of "heat rays" in fact was pretty common in the 19th century; it was believed at the sun had three different rays -- light rays, heat rays, and actinic rays. This is the cultural background that would have led Wells to postulate the creation of a "heat ray". Some historical context should be noted for the creation of the idea of the "raygun".
Also, I think other commenters here are right that most of the article is a list of trivia. References to science fiction uses should fit into some longer "history" section, which discusses the evolution of the concept and ray gun designs, from the 19th century to the Buck Rogers era, to modern laser and phase weapons.
I'll find some sources to cite and try to do an overhaul of the page soon. Brianshapiro ( talk) 17:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
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In the Call of Duty section where it lists the maps featuring the raygun, it only lists Kino Der Toten, Five, Ascension, and Call of the Dead, however it is also featured in Shangi-La and Moon as well.
Belgriffinite ( talk) 00:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
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Can the website "Ispy Rayuns" be included on the external links. For more fictional, but enjoyable, advice on RayGuns, visit http://ma1243.wix.com/ispy-rayguns Littleredlight ( talk) 16:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Please change the claim that the Raygun can be obtained in Call of Duty World at War "through an easter egg." Just because something is hidden does not mean it's an easter egg. Fucking kids. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.156.136.229 ( talk) 08:48, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Its not a easter egg Like not like in the way of the Radios in Call Of Duty Zombies or The lore easter eggs ITS A FUCKING GUN ITS SAIDS IT IN THE NAME! Jesus wikipedia people dont know fucking Call of Duty zombies exist damn.
I tried to make the list a little easier to follow by separating it into categories: written SF, film and movies, and games.
Still, I think that this list really isn't very useful. Ray guns are so common in science fiction that there hundreds of examples not listed, far more than the ones that actually made it on the list. My suggestion would be to pick a few of these that have some historical value of illustrate some point, and expand those, but not keep the simple list of names of works. Geoffrey.landis ( talk) 04:20, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
The following sentence removed since I cant get what does it mean: Its name seems to have been re-interpreted as Greek for "resembling something which throws/fires above".-- Nixer 15:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
"All or most rayguns are fictional" sounds nonsense. Continued with "as far as now known". As far as known by who? If "it is known that bear is a mammal", you don't say "bear is mammal as far as known", right? Or is the sentence trying to say "as far as Wikipedians know"?
Anthony Appleyard 22:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
The Air Force's Airborne Laser will be the first high power laser weapon system deployed. This has the power output and range reminisent of the 1953 version of War of the Worlds. See Air Force link below. http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/abl/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.172.42 ( talk) 08:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thumb|Supercapacitors chart It is unlikely that any current "rayguns" can compete with existing firearms. It may be possible to carry a raygun which could kill, but it would be too bulky and cumbersome to be considered for use by the military, unless it was mounted on a vehicle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.146.20 ( talk) 09:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
now where's that template? Blueaster 01:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone give any more information on the US Military's new ray gun for crowd control? The CNN article is very brief. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amphion ( talk • contribs) 23:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
What a horrible article about such a wonderful subject —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vstarre ( talk • contribs) 21:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC).
what about the input devices using laser to point? they've been called laser guns too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.81.214 ( talk) 03:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The name of the article, "Raygun", while a nod to classic sci-fi, seems both dated and a poor descriptive term. As the article itself notes, the ray terminology is more common before the invention of the laser. And rays and beams (connotation of continuous energy stream) don't really capture the many sci-fi weapons with individual bolts or pulses of whatever energy they fire.
It seems a more technical name, Fictional_Energy_Weapons or Directed-energy_Weapons_(fictional), more broadly describes the subject material. Or merge parts of it under Science_fiction_weapon. In fact, the sci-fi weapon article has links for articles on the weapons of various sci-fi settings.
The long list of weapons and descriptions seems pointless, as they all seem to be covered in their own articles. A smaller list, perhaps of the "influential" (either through being well known or the direct inspirations for more popular sci-fi) weapons in sci-fi history would be better use of suce a list. Possibly as its own separate article, eg Science_fiction_weapon_history (or evolution?).
The types section perhaps should make a distinction between "soft" and "hard" sci-fi (and the spectrum between) types, and more distinctly have categories (such as continuous beam types, "bolt" types, laser-like, rapid pulse types - as sort of meta-categories, not an attempt to somehow relate various different settins technologies).
Not sure there needs to be a real rayguns section, since its all covered under the Direct-energy weapons article (and if not, then why not?)
Joiry 19:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Anthony, you are in danger of 3RR. Jddphd 23:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Eyrian - it doesn't look like you are helping the situation.
Can you both perhaps try to reach a consensus. Jddphd 23:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
(See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Eyrian)
For section Thermal lance#Appearances in fiction, see:
There seem to be these topics here:
To be honest, the OR and RS problems are not major; only interpretation needs a source, or non-obvious instances. Saying "there is a raygun used in Episode 9 of Futurama" does not need a source; it's a simply, uncontroversial statement of fact. However, it's still trivia -- and the guideline in question is WP:TRIVIA. The key here is that the material should be integrated into the body of the article -- i.e. write an article about it; not a list and not a table. A list of examples is not encyclopedic -- there is no context for discussion, or interpretation. A list, or table, of examples can, and could, be replaced by "rayguns have appeared in many different media"; the two add the same merit to the article. What should be written is a section explaining why certain examples are important, or how they add to the understanding of rayguns, and their role in culture. Don't just list them -- write an article using them; for instance, if you wanted to emphasize that they have been widely used, mention a few examples across different media. If you want to explain that they play a certain role, cite a source, and use an example to illustrate the point. A table is not the way to go here. -- Haemo 07:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I have closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rayguns in fiction and redirected the article here. Note that I realized after the fact that the nomination was a bit pointy and I now realize that this is really an editorial dispute. It should be treated accordingly which, I suppose, is what this closure does. Pascal.Tesson 16:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Did you see the thing at the top of the article that says: This article is about fictional devices. See Directed-energy weapon for various real weapons which are similar to rayguns. That's where the "whole article about that" is. Totnesmartin 23:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
"The shapes of some rayguns are influenced by an opinion that they look most effective and weapon-like if they look somewhat like real guns; others, such as this, are not."
Sorry, what is all that about? It and the picture barely seems relevant to the article... am I missing someting? JackorKnave ( talk) 21:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
While I'm by no means the world's biggest fan of Captain Proton (I'd just as soon beam him into the 7th Dimension), I do recall a mention of a different weapon than the standard blaster, referred to as a "comatizer" (presumably from its ability lethal to induce coma). I suspect this is what's known as a blaster. Can somebody who has a better idea how "ST:V"'s writers think check & add? TREKphiler hit me ♠ 04:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
There's already handheld laser cutters i.e. a laser the cuts metal for only a couple hundred bucks. So I'm sure some company that's decided to go for the raygun gimmick. In fact I Googled it up and this is what I found. http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/03/handheld-laser-gun-available-for-purchase/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.4.228 ( talk) 01:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, but add the lightsaber to the related articles of See Also, since the technology and types of weapons are related and it would be good for the See Also articles along with Energy Swords if that is even an article. 2600:1700:BCE0:A230:3D9E:B307:38EA:4B7C ( talk) 18:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
the images aren't of terribly low quality but they do still seem to follow a central theme as said in the first comment on this. It needs examples of different representations of rayguns. Appleyard's argument can be ignored as there are numerous other articles of fictional things but still manage to have images with some diversity. The entire article is a mess overall, and the list of rayguns needs to be put in another article. The article itself is a mess and may need to be entirely rewritten. TheClippingCow ( talk) 17:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
The idea of rayguns came about at the time when the idea of radiation was new; cathode ray tubes were invented in the 1870s, the X-ray was discovered in 1895, and Becquerel ray in 1896. By 1898 when H.G. Wells wrote about a "Heat-Ray", radium had just been discovered, and x-rays and ultraviolet rays started being used for therapies. Cathode ray tubes were also sometimes referred to as "cathode ray guns" or "electron guns". The idea of "heat rays" in fact was pretty common in the 19th century; it was believed at the sun had three different rays -- light rays, heat rays, and actinic rays. This is the cultural background that would have led Wells to postulate the creation of a "heat ray". Some historical context should be noted for the creation of the idea of the "raygun".
Also, I think other commenters here are right that most of the article is a list of trivia. References to science fiction uses should fit into some longer "history" section, which discusses the evolution of the concept and ray gun designs, from the 19th century to the Buck Rogers era, to modern laser and phase weapons.
I'll find some sources to cite and try to do an overhaul of the page soon. Brianshapiro ( talk) 17:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
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In the Call of Duty section where it lists the maps featuring the raygun, it only lists Kino Der Toten, Five, Ascension, and Call of the Dead, however it is also featured in Shangi-La and Moon as well.
Belgriffinite ( talk) 00:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
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Can the website "Ispy Rayuns" be included on the external links. For more fictional, but enjoyable, advice on RayGuns, visit http://ma1243.wix.com/ispy-rayguns Littleredlight ( talk) 16:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Please change the claim that the Raygun can be obtained in Call of Duty World at War "through an easter egg." Just because something is hidden does not mean it's an easter egg. Fucking kids. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.156.136.229 ( talk) 08:48, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Its not a easter egg Like not like in the way of the Radios in Call Of Duty Zombies or The lore easter eggs ITS A FUCKING GUN ITS SAIDS IT IN THE NAME! Jesus wikipedia people dont know fucking Call of Duty zombies exist damn.
I tried to make the list a little easier to follow by separating it into categories: written SF, film and movies, and games.
Still, I think that this list really isn't very useful. Ray guns are so common in science fiction that there hundreds of examples not listed, far more than the ones that actually made it on the list. My suggestion would be to pick a few of these that have some historical value of illustrate some point, and expand those, but not keep the simple list of names of works. Geoffrey.landis ( talk) 04:20, 22 February 2016 (UTC)