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Rawabi is a plural word for Rabiah. It’s the Arabic word for Mounds. Arabs use the word Rawabi to name many things towns, places, shops, companies, etc. Rawabi is not only associated with the Palestine city, Rawabi. Therefore, I suggest to have two pages, one for the word Rawabi and the other is for Rawabi town in Palestine.
-- Bandarsq ( talk) 06:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
It is very misleading to use the term inhabitants instead of settlers while describing the settlers who are living on a stolen and confiscated land from the indigenous people of Palestine. The settlements are considered to be illegal under the international law, and the ones who lives in them are considered to be illegal settlers, they are not any ordinary inhabitants. they are illegal settlers.-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 15:47, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
i have no problem; but i do not know about you! it does not read bad at all! it only reads bads and sounds very misleading and manipulating with terms when using the word inhabitants of settlers. so i believe it should be added as settlers and not inhabitants! Thanks!-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 16:23, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
please be more neutral and convincing rather than just "does not read well"; otherwise, i will have to revert your edits. Thanks!-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 16:32, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
you might be right, but for some reason i am not convinced. at any rate, i'll keep it as is.
in a total different top, why did you delete: "It all started with an idea of the Palestinian-American businessman Bashar Masri. [1]"
well, if you did your little homework by doing some research about Bashar Masri and Rawabi, you will find hundreds of articles.
you just ruin all your credibility by wasting yours and others time by deleting some info that you think is not correct, instead of working on improving wikipedia! the worst case scenario, you could rephrase it!
here are some link proving that Rawabi is Bashar's idea: http://www.theage.com.au/world/palestinians-pursue-their-own-suburban-dreams-20090918-fvd0.html
http://www.theworld.org/2010/02/02/the-first-palestinian-planned-city/
-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 10:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
sure, no worries. I'll be waiting for your feedback-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 13:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Paragraph 10: "A chemical engineer by training, Masri, 48, the majority shareholder in the Massar group of companies, began seriously exploring the idea for Rawabi in 2007." http://www.theage.com.au/world/palestinians-pursue-their-own-suburban-dreams-20090918-fvd0.html
at any rate, the word "idea" is not the issue, but i think that we should give some credit to the man behind this project. what do you think?
how about this statement: Bashar Masri, a Palestinian-American businessman, is the driving force behind Rawabi. any comments?-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 16:12, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
great job Cordless Larry! however, there are few things i think should be changes:
1. at the end of the first paragraph: Massar international is not the developer, as per their website: "Bayti is jointly owned by Qatari Diar Real Estate Investment Company and Massar International." http://www.rawabi.ps/bayti.php?linkss=0&page=no AND http://www.rawabi.ps/bayti/investor.php
2. under the financing headline: 3rd line: "The project is a public-private partnership between the Bayti Real Estate Investment Company, jointly owned by Qatar Investment Authority (through Qatari Diar Real Estate Investment Company) and Massar International,[21] and the Palestinian National Authority.[22]"
this also has to be changed, as the PNA is not a part of the Rawabi and of the developers.
3. under the master plan headline: i do not think that the following fit with the topic "Thousands of saplings are being planted as part of a greening project which involves growing a forest around the city.[28] The Jewish National Fund is donating 3,000 saplings to the project, the announcement of which sparked some internal Israeli and Jewish controversy.[29] Saplings have also been donated by the Palestinian Ministry of Agriculture and by local and international organisations, corporations and individuals.[9]"
i think that it should be removed from there, and create a new headline for their campaign to plant trees, and also not to name some of the donors (such as the JNF, PNA, because it may sound promotional and might offend others who donated trees and were not named). i suggest the following:
==Planting a Tree in Palestine Campaign== As per Rawabi's website "The Palestine of our parents’ generation was lush with fruit orchards and flowering trees - olive, oak, citrus, nut and evergreen varieties ornamented the Palestinian landscape. Today, however, the natural beauty of the land is being lost to the ravages of war, neglect, development and climate change." http://www.rawabi.ps/plant.php
Thousands of saplings are being planted as part of a greening project which involves growing a forest around the city.Saplings have been donated by local and international organisations, corporations and individuals. -- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 07:46, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
As per Rawabi's official website, there is no mention that the PNA is one of the developers (i am not sure that the PA is politically supportive or not, or if they are supporting/sponsoring some projects/infrastructure in the city or not), but it's obvious that Bayti is owned only by Massar & Qatari Diar
As for the trees, i do not think they fit under the headline "Masterplan", i think that we should have them under a different one. what do you think?
btw, the trees were donated by the JNF and not Israel (as a state)--
82.213.38.2 (
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i agree with you, but maybe we should make it clear that the PNA is not one of the developers, as the website says that "The PA committed to the funding of necessary public services and off-site infrastructure development in Rawabi as promised in its pledge to “increase affordable quality housing for low and middle income families” in the context of the Palestinian Reform and Development Plan (PRDP)." the PA is funding some public services and infrastructure (which every government does is any city in the world) but not the project itself. Maybe we should re-phrase it?-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 15:14, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
it's much better, but for some reason it gives a hint that the PA is part of the project, as any other developers. (it's kind of misleading) maybe we should have them in 2 different paragraphs? the first one about the developers and the second one about the PPP? what do you think?-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 15:40, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I came across this article, where it says that the end of it that Bayti (the developer of Rawabi) in owned by Massar & Qatari Diar. There is no mention that the PNA is also an owner or even a developer http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZAWYA20110309061331/Palestine%3A%20Rawabi%20Regional%20Wastewater%20Treatment%20Plant%20Feasibility%20Study%20Launched -- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 10:43, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
here is the quote "Rawabi's developer, Bayti Real Estate Investment Company, is jointly owned by Qatari government-owned Qatari Diar (www.qataridiar.com) and Palestinian Massar International (www.massar.com), two companies with unsurpassed real estate development experience in both regional and international markets"
http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZAWYA20110309061331/Palestine%3A%20Rawabi%20Regional%20Wastewater%20Treatment%20Plant%20Feasibility%20Study%20Launched -- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 12:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
But under the financing title, its says that the PNA is also an owner! "The project involves a public-private partnership between the Bayti Real Estate Investment Company, jointly owned by Qatari Diar Real Estate Investment Company (the Qatar Investment Authority's property investment fund) and Massar International,[21] and the Palestinian National Authority.[22]"-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 08:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
References
I wanted to ask a very simple question. Based on the wording of the page 'in the
West Bank,
Occupied Palestinian Territories', is it better to imply that Rawabi is part of the Wast Bank which in itself is Occupied Palestinian Territories. Or state that Rawabi is part of the Wast Bank which is in the Palestinian Territories? I know its a minor question but I would really appreciate an answer for future reference.
Thanks!
Seric2 (
talk) 08:36, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
this is called exaggeration and do not agree with your response-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Does that mean when writing about the city of San Francisco, we should only add California or California, USA?
I do not agree with you at all, as the West Bank is not a separate entity; the West Bank is just one part of the Occupied Palestinian Territories along with East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip. So just adding the West Bank is not efficient, and we should make it clear to our readers that it's a part of the OPT!-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 12:25, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
it does not read bad, because it mentions only ONCE OPT and not many times! therefore, your above opinion is not valid and does not make any sense!
when you mention a city, you have to mention it's location and in which country! it's that simple! WB is not a country, it is part of Palestine. Palestine is the country, and it must be mentioned in every city that is located in Palestine. I do not know why you make a big deal about everything have to do with Palestine! and why you always represent an anti-Palestine point of view and wants to force it on everyone else! You have to be neutral and objective and respect the others!
Mentioning OPT does not offend or harm anyone or anything, and I find it very essential to add it, so readers can know where it's location is!-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 07:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I changed the phraseology to be correct. Palestine does not exist yet and as such, the territory of Rawabi is currently in territory conquered by Israel from Jordan in 1967 and which the Palestinians hope to use for a future state. I'm also accept using the term "West Bank," however putting down Palestine is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.253.62 ( talk) 19:46, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I would be comfortable with West Bank. Occupied Palestinian Territory is itself misleading and a highly charged political phrase which shouldn't be in a non political article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.253.62 ( talk) 20:59, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
More sources on http://www.rawabi.ps/news.php -- Pevos ( talk) 08:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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This is not a place for discussion on the geopolitical situation in this region. Please limit all discussions to the article and only the article. Thank you, Sven Manguard Talk 05:16, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Rawabi is a plural word for Rabiah. It’s the Arabic word for Mounds. Arabs use the word Rawabi to name many things towns, places, shops, companies, etc. Rawabi is not only associated with the Palestine city, Rawabi. Therefore, I suggest to have two pages, one for the word Rawabi and the other is for Rawabi town in Palestine.
-- Bandarsq ( talk) 06:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
It is very misleading to use the term inhabitants instead of settlers while describing the settlers who are living on a stolen and confiscated land from the indigenous people of Palestine. The settlements are considered to be illegal under the international law, and the ones who lives in them are considered to be illegal settlers, they are not any ordinary inhabitants. they are illegal settlers.-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 15:47, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
i have no problem; but i do not know about you! it does not read bad at all! it only reads bads and sounds very misleading and manipulating with terms when using the word inhabitants of settlers. so i believe it should be added as settlers and not inhabitants! Thanks!-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 16:23, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
please be more neutral and convincing rather than just "does not read well"; otherwise, i will have to revert your edits. Thanks!-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 16:32, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
you might be right, but for some reason i am not convinced. at any rate, i'll keep it as is.
in a total different top, why did you delete: "It all started with an idea of the Palestinian-American businessman Bashar Masri. [1]"
well, if you did your little homework by doing some research about Bashar Masri and Rawabi, you will find hundreds of articles.
you just ruin all your credibility by wasting yours and others time by deleting some info that you think is not correct, instead of working on improving wikipedia! the worst case scenario, you could rephrase it!
here are some link proving that Rawabi is Bashar's idea: http://www.theage.com.au/world/palestinians-pursue-their-own-suburban-dreams-20090918-fvd0.html
http://www.theworld.org/2010/02/02/the-first-palestinian-planned-city/
-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 10:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
sure, no worries. I'll be waiting for your feedback-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 13:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Paragraph 10: "A chemical engineer by training, Masri, 48, the majority shareholder in the Massar group of companies, began seriously exploring the idea for Rawabi in 2007." http://www.theage.com.au/world/palestinians-pursue-their-own-suburban-dreams-20090918-fvd0.html
at any rate, the word "idea" is not the issue, but i think that we should give some credit to the man behind this project. what do you think?
how about this statement: Bashar Masri, a Palestinian-American businessman, is the driving force behind Rawabi. any comments?-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 16:12, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
great job Cordless Larry! however, there are few things i think should be changes:
1. at the end of the first paragraph: Massar international is not the developer, as per their website: "Bayti is jointly owned by Qatari Diar Real Estate Investment Company and Massar International." http://www.rawabi.ps/bayti.php?linkss=0&page=no AND http://www.rawabi.ps/bayti/investor.php
2. under the financing headline: 3rd line: "The project is a public-private partnership between the Bayti Real Estate Investment Company, jointly owned by Qatar Investment Authority (through Qatari Diar Real Estate Investment Company) and Massar International,[21] and the Palestinian National Authority.[22]"
this also has to be changed, as the PNA is not a part of the Rawabi and of the developers.
3. under the master plan headline: i do not think that the following fit with the topic "Thousands of saplings are being planted as part of a greening project which involves growing a forest around the city.[28] The Jewish National Fund is donating 3,000 saplings to the project, the announcement of which sparked some internal Israeli and Jewish controversy.[29] Saplings have also been donated by the Palestinian Ministry of Agriculture and by local and international organisations, corporations and individuals.[9]"
i think that it should be removed from there, and create a new headline for their campaign to plant trees, and also not to name some of the donors (such as the JNF, PNA, because it may sound promotional and might offend others who donated trees and were not named). i suggest the following:
==Planting a Tree in Palestine Campaign== As per Rawabi's website "The Palestine of our parents’ generation was lush with fruit orchards and flowering trees - olive, oak, citrus, nut and evergreen varieties ornamented the Palestinian landscape. Today, however, the natural beauty of the land is being lost to the ravages of war, neglect, development and climate change." http://www.rawabi.ps/plant.php
Thousands of saplings are being planted as part of a greening project which involves growing a forest around the city.Saplings have been donated by local and international organisations, corporations and individuals. -- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 07:46, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
As per Rawabi's official website, there is no mention that the PNA is one of the developers (i am not sure that the PA is politically supportive or not, or if they are supporting/sponsoring some projects/infrastructure in the city or not), but it's obvious that Bayti is owned only by Massar & Qatari Diar
As for the trees, i do not think they fit under the headline "Masterplan", i think that we should have them under a different one. what do you think?
btw, the trees were donated by the JNF and not Israel (as a state)--
82.213.38.2 (
talk) 14:58, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
i agree with you, but maybe we should make it clear that the PNA is not one of the developers, as the website says that "The PA committed to the funding of necessary public services and off-site infrastructure development in Rawabi as promised in its pledge to “increase affordable quality housing for low and middle income families” in the context of the Palestinian Reform and Development Plan (PRDP)." the PA is funding some public services and infrastructure (which every government does is any city in the world) but not the project itself. Maybe we should re-phrase it?-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 15:14, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
it's much better, but for some reason it gives a hint that the PA is part of the project, as any other developers. (it's kind of misleading) maybe we should have them in 2 different paragraphs? the first one about the developers and the second one about the PPP? what do you think?-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 15:40, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I came across this article, where it says that the end of it that Bayti (the developer of Rawabi) in owned by Massar & Qatari Diar. There is no mention that the PNA is also an owner or even a developer http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZAWYA20110309061331/Palestine%3A%20Rawabi%20Regional%20Wastewater%20Treatment%20Plant%20Feasibility%20Study%20Launched -- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 10:43, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
here is the quote "Rawabi's developer, Bayti Real Estate Investment Company, is jointly owned by Qatari government-owned Qatari Diar (www.qataridiar.com) and Palestinian Massar International (www.massar.com), two companies with unsurpassed real estate development experience in both regional and international markets"
http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZAWYA20110309061331/Palestine%3A%20Rawabi%20Regional%20Wastewater%20Treatment%20Plant%20Feasibility%20Study%20Launched -- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 12:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
But under the financing title, its says that the PNA is also an owner! "The project involves a public-private partnership between the Bayti Real Estate Investment Company, jointly owned by Qatari Diar Real Estate Investment Company (the Qatar Investment Authority's property investment fund) and Massar International,[21] and the Palestinian National Authority.[22]"-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 08:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
References
I wanted to ask a very simple question. Based on the wording of the page 'in the
West Bank,
Occupied Palestinian Territories', is it better to imply that Rawabi is part of the Wast Bank which in itself is Occupied Palestinian Territories. Or state that Rawabi is part of the Wast Bank which is in the Palestinian Territories? I know its a minor question but I would really appreciate an answer for future reference.
Thanks!
Seric2 (
talk) 08:36, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
this is called exaggeration and do not agree with your response-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Does that mean when writing about the city of San Francisco, we should only add California or California, USA?
I do not agree with you at all, as the West Bank is not a separate entity; the West Bank is just one part of the Occupied Palestinian Territories along with East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip. So just adding the West Bank is not efficient, and we should make it clear to our readers that it's a part of the OPT!-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 12:25, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
it does not read bad, because it mentions only ONCE OPT and not many times! therefore, your above opinion is not valid and does not make any sense!
when you mention a city, you have to mention it's location and in which country! it's that simple! WB is not a country, it is part of Palestine. Palestine is the country, and it must be mentioned in every city that is located in Palestine. I do not know why you make a big deal about everything have to do with Palestine! and why you always represent an anti-Palestine point of view and wants to force it on everyone else! You have to be neutral and objective and respect the others!
Mentioning OPT does not offend or harm anyone or anything, and I find it very essential to add it, so readers can know where it's location is!-- 82.213.38.2 ( talk) 07:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I changed the phraseology to be correct. Palestine does not exist yet and as such, the territory of Rawabi is currently in territory conquered by Israel from Jordan in 1967 and which the Palestinians hope to use for a future state. I'm also accept using the term "West Bank," however putting down Palestine is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.253.62 ( talk) 19:46, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I would be comfortable with West Bank. Occupied Palestinian Territory is itself misleading and a highly charged political phrase which shouldn't be in a non political article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.253.62 ( talk) 20:59, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
More sources on http://www.rawabi.ps/news.php -- Pevos ( talk) 08:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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