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Sri Sri is still better than a "spiritual leader". Although Ravi Shankar (AOL Foundation) also sounds good How do we come to a consensus? This is not an AOL Foundation page. Chhokra ( talk) 10:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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Sharledforever ( talk) 00:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: ( non-admin closure) NO CONSENSUS User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
The vote is deadlocked. There is only weak consensus that WP:TITLESINTITLES is the relevant guideline, and there's no consensus whether that standard is met or not. There has also been very minimal additional participation since the first relist. And the original proposer is blocked for socking. There simply is no consensus to be found here. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Ravi Shankar (spiritual leader) →
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar – Google search engine results of "Shri Shri Ravi Shankar" are more than 64,80,000 and if we consider the other name "Ravi shankar (spiritual leader)" it has just 9,23,000 results. the news section brings justice to both the names since "shri shri ravi shankar" has around 51000 results while "Ravi Shankar (spiritual leader)" has only 6290 results. so clearly "Shri Shri Ravi Shankar" should be the name of article as per
WP:COMMONNAME and "ravi shankar (spiritual leader)" should be put as redirect to the page. One more thing to be considered, some might argue that "Ravi Shankar" should be the article name as it has the highest results with around 7,99,00,000 results in random search and around 34,80,000 results in news section. but this name can't be put alone because there are many famous personalities with the same name "Ravi Shankar" like former IT minister of india and also one more famous personality is there with same name, he is a indian composer. so we can't use this name in its raw form, we have to use "small brackets" and put some information about him like "spiritual leader" or something, but that "small brackets" names are not suitable according to
WP:COMMONNAME. so i think "Shri Shri Ravi Shankar" is the most suitable name. Please argue accordingly.
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 06:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting.
User:力 (power~enwiki,
π,
ν) 18:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
:Strong Support. first of all i am not a native english speaker. so please adjust with my english. i am replying to the above argument, i will answer point by point for reader's confort.
:: just in case anyone is still not satisfied than, please refer to
this, this is his official website. his name is sri sri ravi shankar with "Gurudev" as his honorific title. so official name is "sri sri ravi shankar" and common name is also "sri sri ravi shankar". thank you.
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 09:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
And also in the media.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (
talk) 00:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
*Comment
BarrelProof and
SnowFire i would like to draw your attention towards the fact that "sri sri ravi shankar" is his official name not a honorific title, yes he has a honorific title which is "gurudev". one more thing, "sri" is a honorific title but "sri sri" doesn't mean anything, it is almost same as "Mr. Mr." in english which doesn't mean anything, i have already provided a
independent reliable sources from Quint saying "sri sri" as his official name. i am providing more here-
this and
this almost all the reliable media qoute him as "sri sri ravi shankar" since he changed his name to this in 2000. please provide your side of proof also, which can say that "sri sri" is not his name, DO YOU HAVE ANY???
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 05:03, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
led by the telegenic guru Sri Sri Ravi Shankar(no further mentions) ; 2011 article reads
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the founder of a movement [...] It may appear that Sri Sri is a typo, but it is actually a compliment he has paid himself. A single “Sri” is an honorific that can be granted to any Indian male. A double “Sri” is in spiritual territory.; 2016 article reads
[...] whose ranks include Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the founder of the Art of Living, an Indian spiritual practice [...](link in original) (no further mentions) ; WaPo: 2016 article reads
On that weekend, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (whose doubly honorific title is reserved for the very few) gave a news conference ...this article used "Sri Sri" in subsequent usage. Seems more like NYT and WaPo use Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and explains that they are hororifics rather than the full name. (Do you have other NYT, WaPo links?) — DaxServer ( talk to me) 07:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
**Comment
Kashmiri I being the nominator agree with "sri sri", but there is one request, please dont divide north and south india on "Shri or sri", we are one united country and I live in "northern india" not "north india". to be clear, this comment is a reply to user's comment, it has nothing to do with the user personally.
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 16:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
**Comment Mr. IP address, Please first read my argument above properly, i have clearly mentioned a year which is "2000". in this year "sri sri Ravi Shankar" took "sri sri" in his name, and you are showing a degree of 1975, god knows "real" or "fake". please provide
reliable information from
Independent sources
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 16:10, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
they are used to form the unambiguous name by which the subject is clearly best known, and the case for WP:TITLESINTITLES was not met. I'd expect a research in depth into the subject establishing the title in title for the move. — DaxServer ( talk to me) 07:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
(From my talk page [1] -- Hipal ( talk) 16:12, 16 November 2021 (UTC))
Hi Hipal,
This is Srihari. Thanks for your message.
I did not intend to engage in an edit war, apologies if it appeared so.
I respect your views that my update yesterday cited an un-reliable source, however the edit also contained citation from reputable news sources. To avoid confusion, I made further two specific updates.
1. Criticisms on the environmental impacts from the spiritual festival - The BBC article states that the festival was organised by Ravi Shankar, so I do not agree with your comment that associating this to him is 'problematic'. 2. On his claim for refusing Nobel - I do not agree with your view "NOT NEWS". The citation is from a news source and I have included his statement verbatim that the foundation did not reject.
Content under the header criticism should give the reader a brief of the disagreements towards him, irrespective if whether you or I agree with the criticism. By not allowing the edit cited from a reputed news source, Wikipedia will not be meeting it's community guidelines. Hence request you to revert the changes.
Looking forward to hear from you. 06:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
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Sri Sri is still better than a "spiritual leader". Although Ravi Shankar (AOL Foundation) also sounds good How do we come to a consensus? This is not an AOL Foundation page. Chhokra ( talk) 10:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Sharledforever ( talk) 00:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: ( non-admin closure) NO CONSENSUS User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
The vote is deadlocked. There is only weak consensus that WP:TITLESINTITLES is the relevant guideline, and there's no consensus whether that standard is met or not. There has also been very minimal additional participation since the first relist. And the original proposer is blocked for socking. There simply is no consensus to be found here. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Ravi Shankar (spiritual leader) →
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar – Google search engine results of "Shri Shri Ravi Shankar" are more than 64,80,000 and if we consider the other name "Ravi shankar (spiritual leader)" it has just 9,23,000 results. the news section brings justice to both the names since "shri shri ravi shankar" has around 51000 results while "Ravi Shankar (spiritual leader)" has only 6290 results. so clearly "Shri Shri Ravi Shankar" should be the name of article as per
WP:COMMONNAME and "ravi shankar (spiritual leader)" should be put as redirect to the page. One more thing to be considered, some might argue that "Ravi Shankar" should be the article name as it has the highest results with around 7,99,00,000 results in random search and around 34,80,000 results in news section. but this name can't be put alone because there are many famous personalities with the same name "Ravi Shankar" like former IT minister of india and also one more famous personality is there with same name, he is a indian composer. so we can't use this name in its raw form, we have to use "small brackets" and put some information about him like "spiritual leader" or something, but that "small brackets" names are not suitable according to
WP:COMMONNAME. so i think "Shri Shri Ravi Shankar" is the most suitable name. Please argue accordingly.
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 06:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting.
User:力 (power~enwiki,
π,
ν) 18:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
:Strong Support. first of all i am not a native english speaker. so please adjust with my english. i am replying to the above argument, i will answer point by point for reader's confort.
:: just in case anyone is still not satisfied than, please refer to
this, this is his official website. his name is sri sri ravi shankar with "Gurudev" as his honorific title. so official name is "sri sri ravi shankar" and common name is also "sri sri ravi shankar". thank you.
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 09:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
And also in the media.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (
talk) 00:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
*Comment
BarrelProof and
SnowFire i would like to draw your attention towards the fact that "sri sri ravi shankar" is his official name not a honorific title, yes he has a honorific title which is "gurudev". one more thing, "sri" is a honorific title but "sri sri" doesn't mean anything, it is almost same as "Mr. Mr." in english which doesn't mean anything, i have already provided a
independent reliable sources from Quint saying "sri sri" as his official name. i am providing more here-
this and
this almost all the reliable media qoute him as "sri sri ravi shankar" since he changed his name to this in 2000. please provide your side of proof also, which can say that "sri sri" is not his name, DO YOU HAVE ANY???
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 05:03, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
led by the telegenic guru Sri Sri Ravi Shankar(no further mentions) ; 2011 article reads
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the founder of a movement [...] It may appear that Sri Sri is a typo, but it is actually a compliment he has paid himself. A single “Sri” is an honorific that can be granted to any Indian male. A double “Sri” is in spiritual territory.; 2016 article reads
[...] whose ranks include Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the founder of the Art of Living, an Indian spiritual practice [...](link in original) (no further mentions) ; WaPo: 2016 article reads
On that weekend, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (whose doubly honorific title is reserved for the very few) gave a news conference ...this article used "Sri Sri" in subsequent usage. Seems more like NYT and WaPo use Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and explains that they are hororifics rather than the full name. (Do you have other NYT, WaPo links?) — DaxServer ( talk to me) 07:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
**Comment
Kashmiri I being the nominator agree with "sri sri", but there is one request, please dont divide north and south india on "Shri or sri", we are one united country and I live in "northern india" not "north india". to be clear, this comment is a reply to user's comment, it has nothing to do with the user personally.
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 16:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
**Comment Mr. IP address, Please first read my argument above properly, i have clearly mentioned a year which is "2000". in this year "sri sri Ravi Shankar" took "sri sri" in his name, and you are showing a degree of 1975, god knows "real" or "fake". please provide
reliable information from
Independent sources
Uttarpradeshi (
talk) 16:10, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
they are used to form the unambiguous name by which the subject is clearly best known, and the case for WP:TITLESINTITLES was not met. I'd expect a research in depth into the subject establishing the title in title for the move. — DaxServer ( talk to me) 07:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
(From my talk page [1] -- Hipal ( talk) 16:12, 16 November 2021 (UTC))
Hi Hipal,
This is Srihari. Thanks for your message.
I did not intend to engage in an edit war, apologies if it appeared so.
I respect your views that my update yesterday cited an un-reliable source, however the edit also contained citation from reputable news sources. To avoid confusion, I made further two specific updates.
1. Criticisms on the environmental impacts from the spiritual festival - The BBC article states that the festival was organised by Ravi Shankar, so I do not agree with your comment that associating this to him is 'problematic'. 2. On his claim for refusing Nobel - I do not agree with your view "NOT NEWS". The citation is from a news source and I have included his statement verbatim that the foundation did not reject.
Content under the header criticism should give the reader a brief of the disagreements towards him, irrespective if whether you or I agree with the criticism. By not allowing the edit cited from a reputed news source, Wikipedia will not be meeting it's community guidelines. Hence request you to revert the changes.
Looking forward to hear from you. 06:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)