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"became the only single from the album that topped the US Billboard Hot 100 chart for five consecutive weeks" should be revised to clarify whether it was the only one to reach number one or the only one to spend that much time at this spot
Per WP:REPCITE, you don't need to use a citation more than once in a row within a paragraph. In other words, ref#3 only needs to be placed after "he considered the idea unnecessary", and just use ref#7 after "Timberlake explained" following his "I think that the smartest thing she's doing is not trying to emulate what she did but move forward" quote.
See previous comments on "hits"
I'd specify how Chris Brown hit her in
February 2009 to show that the incident was still relatively recent when she made and distributed this record (at least compared to today)
"with Marc Malkin" seems like excess detail; the more pertinent point is Ne-You calling Rih "edgier" and "angrier"
I don't see any support for "menacing"
here, only "liberated" and "edgy"
"didn't want an angry Rihanna"..... avoid contractions unless part of a quote or title per WP:CONTRACTIONS
"make sure that she didn't fall into one sound or vibe"..... same as before
The
given ref doesn't use "uptempo and edgy" as a continuous quote as the article text currently suggests, plus that bit is only about one track instead of the whole album
I can't seem to find "I really like the bottom, the grime of it. But if I were to combine that with more energetic, up-tempo pop records, then I think that would be a happy marriage. And that's where we'll probably go next" anywhere
here :/
It's better now, and I'll assume good faith that
File:Justin Timberlake Cannes 2013.jpg is the uploader's own work when there's no evidence to suggest otherwise. One other thing I forgot to mention is that details on Good Girl Gone Bad singles (found within this section's first paragraph) are better for that album's article as we should keep the focus more on this record.
All I see
here is Milk Studios, so you'll need another citation for the other recording locations (I'll allow album booklet if nothing else is available).
Believe it or not, Chuck Harmony isn't mentioned in any of the five references listed for songwriter/producer involvement, though it shouldn't be a problem to stick
this into the section.
It looks like
recording actually began in February or March of 2009 (unless its "has gone back to the studio for work on her next album" bit refers to the songwriting process). Either way, I can't find anything on brainstorming ideas.
What I mean is that you don't need to say how "Russian Roulette" the album's lead single within this section or how "Rude Boy" was its fourth. Such details are better discussed within the "singles" section.
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Unless I'm missing something, "Rihanna responded positively to the darker style and lyrical content, wishing to replicate the style throughout the entire album" doesn't appear to be supported by
the given source.
Not sure
File:Rated R promo.png is particularly beneficial per criterion#8 of
WP:Non-free content criteria, but either way, the lack of a source URL is suspicious. Adding one would help prove the pic's authenticity.
More WP:REPCITE; ref#50 only needs to be cited at the end of this section's first paragraph, and you only have to use ref#52 when ending the second paragraph's last sentence
No mention of "Everything comes from the music, and this is her most personal album to date—so everything draws from it in one way or another" within
MuuMuse
The "Wait is Ova" tweet actually was posted on
October 13, 2009 (also see
here), not the 15th. This means "The following day" for filming the "Wait Your Turn" music video will also need to be fixed accordingly.
It's probably best to spell out "promotional" in full instead of using "promo"
No licensing concerns with
File:Rihanna in Last Girl on Earth Tour 16-04-6.jpg. The only thing I would change for it is adding "tour" to the end of the caption as it otherwise looks incomplete (even though that's not part of the tour's name).
Per WP:REPCITE, ref#57 doesn't need to be placed right at the end of "held on November 16, 2009, in the United Kingdom" when it's already found after the next two sentences.
Gigwise is a subpar publication, and even if it was trustworthy, the given link doesn't talk about free ticket distribution
I feel the original November 20, 2009 release this had in
Australia,
France, and
Germany is worth mentioning here in addition to the November 23rd one. Last I checked, it's standard practice to use earliest known releases in prose as well as infoboxes, regardless of what nation(s) that took place in.
For the "Pepsi Super Bowl Fan Jam", I'd include the songs Ms. Fenty performed (at least the ones from this album)
No specific track names are given for the Kids' Choice Awards performance. Either remove those titles or implement something that does mention them.
"(2010—11)" should be "(2010–2011)" per WP:DASH and my previous comments on four digits for years
Though I could only find North Amercian tour dates within
Rap-Up, I did come across
something usable you can insert that mentions 2011 dates as well as other continents
Details on opening acts are better for the tour article
I don't believe DJ Chew being from New York is particularly relevant here
You're quite welcome (it admittedly took some digging to find), and now I'd just get rid of the "(2010–2011)" as it's redundant when you already mention specific start and end dates for the tour.
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Singles
This doesn't give any indication of overall reception from critics, and one review on its own is not enough to substantiate such a claim. Also, that page is used in both ref#73 and ref#74.
The bit on "Russian Roulette" reaching "the top-ten in over 25 countries" needs its own citation if included. Trying to use another Wikipedia article as a reference for claims goes against WP:CIRCULAR.
Not sure why
an R&B component chart for the UK is linked it's nowehere near as important as the
main songs chart of the nation to demonstrate reaching number two (which you've linked).
Again,
a singular review alone cannot be used to demonstrate overall assessments from critics, and the one you've inserted doesn't even mention Jeezy.
Ugh, iTunes. All of the links are dead and now we don't have release dates for a bunch of singles. I found one MTV News source about its release. I hope it's fine for you until we find a more permanent one. — Tom(T2ME)20:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
You'll need separate citations for Australian and UK peaks for "Rude Boy"
When talking about how Rih tied with Paula Abdul and Diana Ross for fifth-most number ones in the US (at the time), it's worth noting how this was her sixth to top the country's chart. Also, you'll need another ref to support the lead's claim of this track holding the summit for five weeks.
The
link given for Hot Dance Club Songs chart just gives me peaks for Billboard Hot 100, which is far more important for America. The ARIA charts for Australia are also more pertinent than any component charts.
Ref#95 has the same link as ref#96, and doesn't mention any director for the "Rockstar 101" video.
"overall" from "the sixth and final overall single" seems redundant
"airplay in Canada on June 7, 2010" should end with a period, not a comma, though I couldn't find anything on "Te Amo"
here.
Once more,
a singular review isn't sufficient evidence for a song's overall favorable/mixed/unfavorable reception, especially when it doesn't talk about other reviews at all
The European peaks for "Te Amo" will need their own references. Don't use WP:CIRCULAR sourcing here.
I think I did them all (huh, it was a bit of tiring haha). PS. I am going on a short vacation for 4 days. I will probably not be able to be as active until Sunday. So I would like for you to give me some time. :) Thank yooouuu — Tom(T2ME)20:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Not a problem. I'll continue the review by assessing "Critical reception" on July 26th 28th. The "singles" section in the meantime definitely looks better now.
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21:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Critical reception
There seems to be duplicate MetaCritic citations. Let's merge them into one.
Maybe I missed something, but I couldn't find any rating from
Spin
You were right, there isn't rating in the source. Removed it from the box. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a 10th review with a rating to add it in the box. — Tom(T2ME)20:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
That link doesn't support the "fourth top ten album in the country and her second highest album chart position" bit or give chart listings.
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15:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)reply
While the given link for Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums is dead, I found its
new URL
"and sold over 1,130,000 copies in the US as of June 2015"..... either add a "has" before "sold" or change "as of June 2015" into "by June 2015"
"number five on the albums chart" sounds incomplete, just say
Canadian Albums Chart. If the intent was to not reuse "Canada" or include its varations after first mentioning that nation, then you can revise it to something like what you have for Norway and Germany.
"number sixteen on the albums chart"..... likewise,
UK Albums Chart should be mentioned by name, and this debut will need a separate citation
The use of "despite" from "Despite debuting at number fifteen in Australia, the album was certified gold its second week" gives a false impression that albums have to get a certain chart position before they're eligible for certifications. Also, I don't see any mentions of this album or even Riri
here.
Looks incomplete without any mentions of Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Scotland (yes it has a separate chart from the UK), Spain, or Sweden
SNUGGUMS Thanks for the section review! I am taking a small vacation (again) for 3 days! I will be taking my lap top with me, however, I don't know how much time I will have to be on Wiki. So, I will probably resolve all of this on Monday night. Feel free to review 'Legacy' as well. I can do both when I am back. — Tom(T2ME)05:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Definitely looking better. You do however still need to fix the AllMusic piece per what I wrote above. Also, the France ref hasn't been defined (creating an error), and I can't seem to access the
Greek albums link.
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I think I fixed the other issues. Unfortunately, the reference for Greece was permanently dead, a I had to remove it. — Tom(T2ME)09:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Legacy
Though I can see why
File:JanetJacksonUnbreakableTourSanFran2015 (cropped).jpg was used (and I'll assume good faith that this is the original uploader's own work as claimed), its inclusion here feels more decorative than anything else when Janet wasn't involved in the album's production or anything
The parental advisory bit is superfluous, even if darker and more profane than prior albums
Sorry, but I beg to differ here. It is important to highlight how this album is the moment when she embraced the IDGAF attitude through lyrics. Even on GGGB, her label still seemed to censor her. — Tom(T2ME)11:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)reply
"Co-producer" seems redundant when the "co-" prefix indicates multiple people produced something. Same goes for "additional producer".
That's per the album booklet. I think that co-producer is someone who produced the song, but was less involved in the process. Same with the additional producer. That's according to the credits in the album. — Tom(T2ME)20:48, 9 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Personnel
Having text appear smaller than it naturally would is frowned upon per MOS:FONTSIZE. Doing that needlessly makes it harder on the eyes to read.
"10" from "2009–10" should be written out in full (i.e. 2010)
It doesn't look like you linked to the right URL for Hungary. Thankfully I
found that after some digging to get the 31 peak after it started at number 39.
From what I can tell, there's no mention of Vinyl distribution for any of the cited nations or anything from 2017, only 2009 releases. In fact, the only post-2012 release date properly cited is
one from 2012. You'll have to either find new references for Vinyl dates or remove them altogether.
The vinyl is there, in the Amazon CD reference. You just need to click on the Vinyl part and it shows it with its 2017 date. — Tom(T2ME)08:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)reply
My bad; just found those now. That just leaves Australia needing a new link for Vinyl release (unless I missed something) as I still can't locate it within
anywhere this. Either way, Radio & Records should have italics in the references. Just get those things done and we're set.
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Prose: Mostly good. Since we can't seem to pinpoint an exact range for when in 2009 the album finished recording, I'd just use that year within the infobox. In the lead, we may as well mention all six singles by name, regardless of how they charted.
Referencing: Some reference formatting needs to be fixed, and not quite all of the content is properly cited
Coverage: The major aspects appear to be addressed without excess detail
Neutrality: No bias detected
Stability: All recent changes have been to improve the article based on input
Media: As far as I'm concerned, everything is appropriately licensed
Verdict: Placing the nomination on hold for seven days beginning now. If all of my remaining concerns are addressed within that time (and my instinct says they probably will be), then I happily shall pass.
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"became the only single from the album that topped the US Billboard Hot 100 chart for five consecutive weeks" should be revised to clarify whether it was the only one to reach number one or the only one to spend that much time at this spot
Per WP:REPCITE, you don't need to use a citation more than once in a row within a paragraph. In other words, ref#3 only needs to be placed after "he considered the idea unnecessary", and just use ref#7 after "Timberlake explained" following his "I think that the smartest thing she's doing is not trying to emulate what she did but move forward" quote.
See previous comments on "hits"
I'd specify how Chris Brown hit her in
February 2009 to show that the incident was still relatively recent when she made and distributed this record (at least compared to today)
"with Marc Malkin" seems like excess detail; the more pertinent point is Ne-You calling Rih "edgier" and "angrier"
I don't see any support for "menacing"
here, only "liberated" and "edgy"
"didn't want an angry Rihanna"..... avoid contractions unless part of a quote or title per WP:CONTRACTIONS
"make sure that she didn't fall into one sound or vibe"..... same as before
The
given ref doesn't use "uptempo and edgy" as a continuous quote as the article text currently suggests, plus that bit is only about one track instead of the whole album
I can't seem to find "I really like the bottom, the grime of it. But if I were to combine that with more energetic, up-tempo pop records, then I think that would be a happy marriage. And that's where we'll probably go next" anywhere
here :/
It's better now, and I'll assume good faith that
File:Justin Timberlake Cannes 2013.jpg is the uploader's own work when there's no evidence to suggest otherwise. One other thing I forgot to mention is that details on Good Girl Gone Bad singles (found within this section's first paragraph) are better for that album's article as we should keep the focus more on this record.
All I see
here is Milk Studios, so you'll need another citation for the other recording locations (I'll allow album booklet if nothing else is available).
Believe it or not, Chuck Harmony isn't mentioned in any of the five references listed for songwriter/producer involvement, though it shouldn't be a problem to stick
this into the section.
It looks like
recording actually began in February or March of 2009 (unless its "has gone back to the studio for work on her next album" bit refers to the songwriting process). Either way, I can't find anything on brainstorming ideas.
What I mean is that you don't need to say how "Russian Roulette" the album's lead single within this section or how "Rude Boy" was its fourth. Such details are better discussed within the "singles" section.
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14:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Unless I'm missing something, "Rihanna responded positively to the darker style and lyrical content, wishing to replicate the style throughout the entire album" doesn't appear to be supported by
the given source.
Not sure
File:Rated R promo.png is particularly beneficial per criterion#8 of
WP:Non-free content criteria, but either way, the lack of a source URL is suspicious. Adding one would help prove the pic's authenticity.
More WP:REPCITE; ref#50 only needs to be cited at the end of this section's first paragraph, and you only have to use ref#52 when ending the second paragraph's last sentence
No mention of "Everything comes from the music, and this is her most personal album to date—so everything draws from it in one way or another" within
MuuMuse
The "Wait is Ova" tweet actually was posted on
October 13, 2009 (also see
here), not the 15th. This means "The following day" for filming the "Wait Your Turn" music video will also need to be fixed accordingly.
It's probably best to spell out "promotional" in full instead of using "promo"
No licensing concerns with
File:Rihanna in Last Girl on Earth Tour 16-04-6.jpg. The only thing I would change for it is adding "tour" to the end of the caption as it otherwise looks incomplete (even though that's not part of the tour's name).
Per WP:REPCITE, ref#57 doesn't need to be placed right at the end of "held on November 16, 2009, in the United Kingdom" when it's already found after the next two sentences.
Gigwise is a subpar publication, and even if it was trustworthy, the given link doesn't talk about free ticket distribution
I feel the original November 20, 2009 release this had in
Australia,
France, and
Germany is worth mentioning here in addition to the November 23rd one. Last I checked, it's standard practice to use earliest known releases in prose as well as infoboxes, regardless of what nation(s) that took place in.
For the "Pepsi Super Bowl Fan Jam", I'd include the songs Ms. Fenty performed (at least the ones from this album)
No specific track names are given for the Kids' Choice Awards performance. Either remove those titles or implement something that does mention them.
"(2010—11)" should be "(2010–2011)" per WP:DASH and my previous comments on four digits for years
Though I could only find North Amercian tour dates within
Rap-Up, I did come across
something usable you can insert that mentions 2011 dates as well as other continents
Details on opening acts are better for the tour article
I don't believe DJ Chew being from New York is particularly relevant here
You're quite welcome (it admittedly took some digging to find), and now I'd just get rid of the "(2010–2011)" as it's redundant when you already mention specific start and end dates for the tour.
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02:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Singles
This doesn't give any indication of overall reception from critics, and one review on its own is not enough to substantiate such a claim. Also, that page is used in both ref#73 and ref#74.
The bit on "Russian Roulette" reaching "the top-ten in over 25 countries" needs its own citation if included. Trying to use another Wikipedia article as a reference for claims goes against WP:CIRCULAR.
Not sure why
an R&B component chart for the UK is linked it's nowehere near as important as the
main songs chart of the nation to demonstrate reaching number two (which you've linked).
Again,
a singular review alone cannot be used to demonstrate overall assessments from critics, and the one you've inserted doesn't even mention Jeezy.
Ugh, iTunes. All of the links are dead and now we don't have release dates for a bunch of singles. I found one MTV News source about its release. I hope it's fine for you until we find a more permanent one. — Tom(T2ME)20:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
You'll need separate citations for Australian and UK peaks for "Rude Boy"
When talking about how Rih tied with Paula Abdul and Diana Ross for fifth-most number ones in the US (at the time), it's worth noting how this was her sixth to top the country's chart. Also, you'll need another ref to support the lead's claim of this track holding the summit for five weeks.
The
link given for Hot Dance Club Songs chart just gives me peaks for Billboard Hot 100, which is far more important for America. The ARIA charts for Australia are also more pertinent than any component charts.
Ref#95 has the same link as ref#96, and doesn't mention any director for the "Rockstar 101" video.
"overall" from "the sixth and final overall single" seems redundant
"airplay in Canada on June 7, 2010" should end with a period, not a comma, though I couldn't find anything on "Te Amo"
here.
Once more,
a singular review isn't sufficient evidence for a song's overall favorable/mixed/unfavorable reception, especially when it doesn't talk about other reviews at all
The European peaks for "Te Amo" will need their own references. Don't use WP:CIRCULAR sourcing here.
I think I did them all (huh, it was a bit of tiring haha). PS. I am going on a short vacation for 4 days. I will probably not be able to be as active until Sunday. So I would like for you to give me some time. :) Thank yooouuu — Tom(T2ME)20:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Not a problem. I'll continue the review by assessing "Critical reception" on July 26th 28th. The "singles" section in the meantime definitely looks better now.
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21:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Critical reception
There seems to be duplicate MetaCritic citations. Let's merge them into one.
Maybe I missed something, but I couldn't find any rating from
Spin
You were right, there isn't rating in the source. Removed it from the box. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a 10th review with a rating to add it in the box. — Tom(T2ME)20:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
That link doesn't support the "fourth top ten album in the country and her second highest album chart position" bit or give chart listings.
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15:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)reply
While the given link for Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums is dead, I found its
new URL
"and sold over 1,130,000 copies in the US as of June 2015"..... either add a "has" before "sold" or change "as of June 2015" into "by June 2015"
"number five on the albums chart" sounds incomplete, just say
Canadian Albums Chart. If the intent was to not reuse "Canada" or include its varations after first mentioning that nation, then you can revise it to something like what you have for Norway and Germany.
"number sixteen on the albums chart"..... likewise,
UK Albums Chart should be mentioned by name, and this debut will need a separate citation
The use of "despite" from "Despite debuting at number fifteen in Australia, the album was certified gold its second week" gives a false impression that albums have to get a certain chart position before they're eligible for certifications. Also, I don't see any mentions of this album or even Riri
here.
Looks incomplete without any mentions of Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Scotland (yes it has a separate chart from the UK), Spain, or Sweden
SNUGGUMS Thanks for the section review! I am taking a small vacation (again) for 3 days! I will be taking my lap top with me, however, I don't know how much time I will have to be on Wiki. So, I will probably resolve all of this on Monday night. Feel free to review 'Legacy' as well. I can do both when I am back. — Tom(T2ME)05:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Definitely looking better. You do however still need to fix the AllMusic piece per what I wrote above. Also, the France ref hasn't been defined (creating an error), and I can't seem to access the
Greek albums link.
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15:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)reply
I think I fixed the other issues. Unfortunately, the reference for Greece was permanently dead, a I had to remove it. — Tom(T2ME)09:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Legacy
Though I can see why
File:JanetJacksonUnbreakableTourSanFran2015 (cropped).jpg was used (and I'll assume good faith that this is the original uploader's own work as claimed), its inclusion here feels more decorative than anything else when Janet wasn't involved in the album's production or anything
The parental advisory bit is superfluous, even if darker and more profane than prior albums
Sorry, but I beg to differ here. It is important to highlight how this album is the moment when she embraced the IDGAF attitude through lyrics. Even on GGGB, her label still seemed to censor her. — Tom(T2ME)11:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)reply
"Co-producer" seems redundant when the "co-" prefix indicates multiple people produced something. Same goes for "additional producer".
That's per the album booklet. I think that co-producer is someone who produced the song, but was less involved in the process. Same with the additional producer. That's according to the credits in the album. — Tom(T2ME)20:48, 9 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Personnel
Having text appear smaller than it naturally would is frowned upon per MOS:FONTSIZE. Doing that needlessly makes it harder on the eyes to read.
"10" from "2009–10" should be written out in full (i.e. 2010)
It doesn't look like you linked to the right URL for Hungary. Thankfully I
found that after some digging to get the 31 peak after it started at number 39.
From what I can tell, there's no mention of Vinyl distribution for any of the cited nations or anything from 2017, only 2009 releases. In fact, the only post-2012 release date properly cited is
one from 2012. You'll have to either find new references for Vinyl dates or remove them altogether.
The vinyl is there, in the Amazon CD reference. You just need to click on the Vinyl part and it shows it with its 2017 date. — Tom(T2ME)08:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)reply
My bad; just found those now. That just leaves Australia needing a new link for Vinyl release (unless I missed something) as I still can't locate it within
anywhere this. Either way, Radio & Records should have italics in the references. Just get those things done and we're set.
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15:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Prose: Mostly good. Since we can't seem to pinpoint an exact range for when in 2009 the album finished recording, I'd just use that year within the infobox. In the lead, we may as well mention all six singles by name, regardless of how they charted.
Referencing: Some reference formatting needs to be fixed, and not quite all of the content is properly cited
Coverage: The major aspects appear to be addressed without excess detail
Neutrality: No bias detected
Stability: All recent changes have been to improve the article based on input
Media: As far as I'm concerned, everything is appropriately licensed
Verdict: Placing the nomination on hold for seven days beginning now. If all of my remaining concerns are addressed within that time (and my instinct says they probably will be), then I happily shall pass.
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05:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.