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Before anyone asks the obvious question, the Danish law on blasphemy was repealed on 2 June 2017. Rasmus Paludan announced his new party Stram Kurs on 15 July 2017. Philaweb ( talk) 23:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
A user had inserted a reference claiming he wants to deport the disabled, unemployed and political opponents to concentration camps - I deleted it because it was misunderstood and from a low quality source. It's worth noticing that Paludan isn't always serious when he is saying outrageous things (he is essentially a troll and professional provocateur), and that many of his opponents like to pretend he is even if it's clear from the context that he is joking or using satire. In the videos linked to by Danish web "newspaper" p77 Paludan typically taunts the counter-demonstration opposing him, implying they are "losers" and potentially violent and criminal. In one of them he is standing in front of a group of Antifa looking youth and saying "backwards social losers of Danish ethnic origin, who have no education, who have limited cognitive abilities, who vote for the Red Greens and the Social Liberals - such ones that are standing behind me - and there I will just say that you must of course evaluate how dangerous they are, and in some cases they must be removed from society to places in Denmark, which are secluded, where they can't harm other people". You can't go from that to implying he will put disabled (those with "low cognitive abilities") and everyone who votes for the Red Greens an Social Liberals in camps. It's the (often quite aggressive) protestors facing him he is referring to, and often doing so in his particular mix of lawyerly lingo and insults.
I realize Wikipedia's ban on "original research" sometimes make it had to make these calls, but with a character like Rasmus Paludan it's necessary to use common sense and evaluate the context (and his otherwise the whole article will be filled with outrageous claims.-- Batmacumba ( talk) 08:00, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
I have requested that Rasmus Paludan, the bishop, is being moved to make that page into a disambiguation page. Editors on this page might me interested Talk:Rasmus_Paludan#Requested move 23 June 2020 ― Hebsen ( talk) 08:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Why does english wikipedia refer to him as "danish-swedish", which neither Danish nor Swedish wiki does. I've heard him speak in swedish and he definitely isn't from here. Danish people can not scapegoat us for not keeping their extremist in check.
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Anonymous.0012 ( talk) 20:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
| death_date = 23 January 20232023 He was killed for burning the Qur'an
(aged 40) | death_cause =There seems to be vandalism at the top of the page, added by @8bRast. 131.215.172.137 ( talk) 21:21, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
This article currently has the party name "Stram Kurs" translated to "Straight Course". The Danish word "stram" actually means "tight" in English. In the context of a political party that would then be the English word "stringent", i.e. "Stringent Course". 2A02:AA1:1621:8659:E4D1:9CC1:8C88:E667 ( talk) 19:03, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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Change "extremely opposed to" to "opposed to". Use of "extremely" is redundant, unusual and seems like editorializing. 37.155.49.66 ( talk) 12:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Re: Paludan´s chats with underage boys. The articule reproduces Paludan´s response: "aludan did not deny the claims, but denied any wrongdoing, stating that he did not know how old the people he was talking to were, and that the boys or the moderators in the chat would have stopped him if he had overstepped any boundaries". However the chats were made public and it is obvious that he knew they were minors: Anti-Muslim extremist Rasmus Paludan engaged in sex chats with minors (trtworld.com) Ymeine2023 ( talk) 11:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
When a newspaper makes vague accusations, a living person denies them, and law enforcement declines to pursue a case, it does not rise to the level of notability.
This is especially true for BLP—regardless of his odious political beliefs, an encyclopedia can't recycle vague newspaper accusations when law enforcement evidently considers it unlikely that there was a prosecutable breaking of the law.
It's important that police have chosen not to act. The newspaper cited is trying to imply that Aludan acted against the law. DenverCoder9 ( talk) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
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5x expanded by Thismess ( talk). Self-nominated at 18:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rasmus Paludan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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The hook isn't quite accurate - it implies (or even states outright) that Paludan caused the controversy from
2023 Quran burnings in Sweden, but that isn't what our article there says, it says "The most notable of them occurred on 28 June 2023, when a 37-year-old Iraqi Assyrian refugee Salwan Momika ripped out and set fire to pages of the Quran". Paludan may have been first, but does not seem to have been the most controversial. So we need either a rephrasing of the hook (was the first of the... ?), or a completely different hook (maybe the
2022 Sweden riots; or that he's a regular candidate for office despite a noticeable effect of brain injury; or that he founded a church; or that he's a hard line anti-immigrant while himself being an immigrant; or that he's banned from Sweden; many, many others ... the article is just full of "hooky" possibilities!).
Also, thought the image is technically acceptable, I think there's a very similar but noticeably better image, here at the right. You'd need to put it in the article, but again I think it's just better than the proposed one: he's got his eyes open, and slightly less double chin, and it's more obvious that the book being burned is the Koran, which is often printed with a geometric design cover, rather than just any paperback. GRuban ( talk) 19:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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A fact from Rasmus Paludan appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 11 April 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Before anyone asks the obvious question, the Danish law on blasphemy was repealed on 2 June 2017. Rasmus Paludan announced his new party Stram Kurs on 15 July 2017. Philaweb ( talk) 23:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
A user had inserted a reference claiming he wants to deport the disabled, unemployed and political opponents to concentration camps - I deleted it because it was misunderstood and from a low quality source. It's worth noticing that Paludan isn't always serious when he is saying outrageous things (he is essentially a troll and professional provocateur), and that many of his opponents like to pretend he is even if it's clear from the context that he is joking or using satire. In the videos linked to by Danish web "newspaper" p77 Paludan typically taunts the counter-demonstration opposing him, implying they are "losers" and potentially violent and criminal. In one of them he is standing in front of a group of Antifa looking youth and saying "backwards social losers of Danish ethnic origin, who have no education, who have limited cognitive abilities, who vote for the Red Greens and the Social Liberals - such ones that are standing behind me - and there I will just say that you must of course evaluate how dangerous they are, and in some cases they must be removed from society to places in Denmark, which are secluded, where they can't harm other people". You can't go from that to implying he will put disabled (those with "low cognitive abilities") and everyone who votes for the Red Greens an Social Liberals in camps. It's the (often quite aggressive) protestors facing him he is referring to, and often doing so in his particular mix of lawyerly lingo and insults.
I realize Wikipedia's ban on "original research" sometimes make it had to make these calls, but with a character like Rasmus Paludan it's necessary to use common sense and evaluate the context (and his otherwise the whole article will be filled with outrageous claims.-- Batmacumba ( talk) 08:00, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
I have requested that Rasmus Paludan, the bishop, is being moved to make that page into a disambiguation page. Editors on this page might me interested Talk:Rasmus_Paludan#Requested move 23 June 2020 ― Hebsen ( talk) 08:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Why does english wikipedia refer to him as "danish-swedish", which neither Danish nor Swedish wiki does. I've heard him speak in swedish and he definitely isn't from here. Danish people can not scapegoat us for not keeping their extremist in check.
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Anonymous.0012 ( talk) 20:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
| death_date = 23 January 20232023 He was killed for burning the Qur'an
(aged 40) | death_cause =There seems to be vandalism at the top of the page, added by @8bRast. 131.215.172.137 ( talk) 21:21, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
This article currently has the party name "Stram Kurs" translated to "Straight Course". The Danish word "stram" actually means "tight" in English. In the context of a political party that would then be the English word "stringent", i.e. "Stringent Course". 2A02:AA1:1621:8659:E4D1:9CC1:8C88:E667 ( talk) 19:03, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Change "extremely opposed to" to "opposed to". Use of "extremely" is redundant, unusual and seems like editorializing. 37.155.49.66 ( talk) 12:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Re: Paludan´s chats with underage boys. The articule reproduces Paludan´s response: "aludan did not deny the claims, but denied any wrongdoing, stating that he did not know how old the people he was talking to were, and that the boys or the moderators in the chat would have stopped him if he had overstepped any boundaries". However the chats were made public and it is obvious that he knew they were minors: Anti-Muslim extremist Rasmus Paludan engaged in sex chats with minors (trtworld.com) Ymeine2023 ( talk) 11:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
When a newspaper makes vague accusations, a living person denies them, and law enforcement declines to pursue a case, it does not rise to the level of notability.
This is especially true for BLP—regardless of his odious political beliefs, an encyclopedia can't recycle vague newspaper accusations when law enforcement evidently considers it unlikely that there was a prosecutable breaking of the law.
It's important that police have chosen not to act. The newspaper cited is trying to imply that Aludan acted against the law. DenverCoder9 ( talk) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
AirshipJungleman29
talk 20:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
5x expanded by Thismess ( talk). Self-nominated at 18:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rasmus Paludan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall:
The hook isn't quite accurate - it implies (or even states outright) that Paludan caused the controversy from
2023 Quran burnings in Sweden, but that isn't what our article there says, it says "The most notable of them occurred on 28 June 2023, when a 37-year-old Iraqi Assyrian refugee Salwan Momika ripped out and set fire to pages of the Quran". Paludan may have been first, but does not seem to have been the most controversial. So we need either a rephrasing of the hook (was the first of the... ?), or a completely different hook (maybe the
2022 Sweden riots; or that he's a regular candidate for office despite a noticeable effect of brain injury; or that he founded a church; or that he's a hard line anti-immigrant while himself being an immigrant; or that he's banned from Sweden; many, many others ... the article is just full of "hooky" possibilities!).
Also, thought the image is technically acceptable, I think there's a very similar but noticeably better image, here at the right. You'd need to put it in the article, but again I think it's just better than the proposed one: he's got his eyes open, and slightly less double chin, and it's more obvious that the book being burned is the Koran, which is often printed with a geometric design cover, rather than just any paperback. GRuban ( talk) 19:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)