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In history I would like to tell some information. The Reddys are ancestors of rastracutas or rastrikas or rattodi and Marathas. They migrated to North South and handover the Deccan pleatue.
Can you make changes. Rastrika ( talk) 06:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
@Rastrika @Nittawinoda Reddi are Kannada landlords of Northern Karnataka. They are now counted as Lingayats. Lingayat Patidars use Patil surname, which includes multiple landed gentry like different Reddi castes, Vokkaliga castes, Brahmins turned Farmerss. There are Lingayat Reddis like H K Patil(KAR assembly) and Balangi Reddy(AP assembly).
Not only is Reddi being amorphed as Reddy, the word is being linked to Reddy caste of Andhra Pradesh. Very far fetched. Lingayat Patidar are the same type of "caste" as Reddys, but not same ethnic group.
Broader Lingayats themselves are more "aryan" than Reddys and genetically equidistant to "less dravidian" Marathas and Gujrati Patidars and "more dravidian" Andhra Reddy caste. Link : https://sldna.blogspot.com/2019/02/harappa-world-sinhalese-dna-admixture.html
And above all, there is evidence that suggests that caste differentiation had not taken place in medieval age. And in fact they were shepherds. Listing them as Dhangar(marathi) - Kuruba(kannada) shepherds. Link : https://www.firstpost.com/long-reads/kalyan-varmas-documentation-of-the-dhangars-reveals-existential-threat-facing-the-pastoral-tribe-7707161.html.
So, take it a bit slow on generalisations. North Indian articles usually list both Jats(agriculturists) and Gujjars(shepherds) as source origins for ruling class. Lets improve this article and work together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basavaraj Patel ( talk • contribs) 07:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
It has been well established in the article that Rashtrakutas were of Kannada Origin. It has also been mentioned that they were of Dravidian Cultivator origin. The chief cultivating caste of Karnataka are the Vokkaligas. Kindly mention the possible Vokkaliga origin.
Shetty, Sadanand Ramakrishna (1994). Banavasi Through the Ages. Banavasi (India): Printwell. p. 121.:“The community of the land tillers or agriculturists was known as vokkaligas. The importance given to the cultivation of land is amply demonstrated by the fact that numerous tanks were dug and irrigational facilities were provided at various places. Some of the Rashtrakuta inscriptions found in the Banavasimandala carry the depiction of a plough at the top. There is a view that the Rashtrakutas were originally prosperous cultivators, who later on dominated the political scene. Some of the inscriptions refer to them as Kutumbinah which is interpreted as meaning cultivators.”
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=cUhuAAAAMAAJ&dq=vokkaliga+rashtrakuta&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=vokkaliga+rashtrakuta Cyberanthropologist ( talk) 04:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Castes like Telugu Reddy, Marathi Marathas are mentioned in the article despite historians like Altekar proving the contrary (Even this is mentioned in the origin of Rahstrkutas article, but you’ve let Reddy and Maratha stay). Even obscure origin theories from Punjab are mentioned. It’s only fair that the Chief Cultivating Kannada caste, the Vokkaligas are mentioned.
Kannad origin isn’t sufficient as that is not an ethnic identity like caste. Kindly allow the addition of Vokkaligas for fairness and neutrality. Cyberanthropologist ( talk) 14:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Alright sir, thank you for maintaining the top knotch article. Cyberanthropologist ( talk) 14:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Citation missing for the following sentence under Architecture section:
“Other famous rock-cut temples in the Maharashtra region are the Dhumer Lena and Dashvatara cave temples in Ellora (famous for its sculptures of Vishnu and Shivaleela) and the Jogeshvari temple near Mumbai.”
Were these temples built by Rashtrakutas too? Clarity needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:578A:90AE:8166:FF8F:F57E:AA30 ( talk) 14:06, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
There are no proper links for editors to check validity of the claims in this article for example, in society section it is extensively given that sati practice was prevalent but no link is given for readers to cross check the fact. The para even goes as far as saying that there are examples of members of royal family self immolating but does not give any proof of it. Should this be allowed? MindOfOm ( talk) 03:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
"At their peak the Rashtrakutas of Manyakheta ruled a vast empire stretching from the Ganges River and Yamuna River doab in the north to Kanyakumari in the south" This statement is not backed with evidence. 217.43.83.91 ( talk) 00:07, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 17:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Rashtrakuta dynasty → Rashtrakuta Empire – The Rashtrakutas were an empire than a dynasty, the empire consisted of many regions, states and vassals or feudatories of different ethno-linguistical identity and their region, in modern India the states which were part of the Rashtrakuta extension were Karnataka, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Tamil Nadu, Goa, Madhya Pradesh and their influence over Northern India & Sri Lanka, here is an Historian based work which shows the map of Rashtrakutas in his work which is mainly written about Rashtrakutas [1] CatTheMeow ( talk) 14:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal ( talk) 15:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Rashtrakuta Empire → Rashtrakutas – Ngram graph [1] suggests that the term Rashtrakutas have been used throughout commonly, and much WP:RS refers it in similar way. In JSTOR, 320 results for "Rashtrakutas" [2] 288 results for "Rashtrakuta dynasty" [3], and 17 results for "Rashtrakuta Empire" [4]. The pattern repeats in most of the WP:RS Imperial [AFCND] 18:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 20:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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In history I would like to tell some information. The Reddys are ancestors of rastracutas or rastrikas or rattodi and Marathas. They migrated to North South and handover the Deccan pleatue.
Can you make changes. Rastrika ( talk) 06:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
@Rastrika @Nittawinoda Reddi are Kannada landlords of Northern Karnataka. They are now counted as Lingayats. Lingayat Patidars use Patil surname, which includes multiple landed gentry like different Reddi castes, Vokkaliga castes, Brahmins turned Farmerss. There are Lingayat Reddis like H K Patil(KAR assembly) and Balangi Reddy(AP assembly).
Not only is Reddi being amorphed as Reddy, the word is being linked to Reddy caste of Andhra Pradesh. Very far fetched. Lingayat Patidar are the same type of "caste" as Reddys, but not same ethnic group.
Broader Lingayats themselves are more "aryan" than Reddys and genetically equidistant to "less dravidian" Marathas and Gujrati Patidars and "more dravidian" Andhra Reddy caste. Link : https://sldna.blogspot.com/2019/02/harappa-world-sinhalese-dna-admixture.html
And above all, there is evidence that suggests that caste differentiation had not taken place in medieval age. And in fact they were shepherds. Listing them as Dhangar(marathi) - Kuruba(kannada) shepherds. Link : https://www.firstpost.com/long-reads/kalyan-varmas-documentation-of-the-dhangars-reveals-existential-threat-facing-the-pastoral-tribe-7707161.html.
So, take it a bit slow on generalisations. North Indian articles usually list both Jats(agriculturists) and Gujjars(shepherds) as source origins for ruling class. Lets improve this article and work together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basavaraj Patel ( talk • contribs) 07:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
It has been well established in the article that Rashtrakutas were of Kannada Origin. It has also been mentioned that they were of Dravidian Cultivator origin. The chief cultivating caste of Karnataka are the Vokkaligas. Kindly mention the possible Vokkaliga origin.
Shetty, Sadanand Ramakrishna (1994). Banavasi Through the Ages. Banavasi (India): Printwell. p. 121.:“The community of the land tillers or agriculturists was known as vokkaligas. The importance given to the cultivation of land is amply demonstrated by the fact that numerous tanks were dug and irrigational facilities were provided at various places. Some of the Rashtrakuta inscriptions found in the Banavasimandala carry the depiction of a plough at the top. There is a view that the Rashtrakutas were originally prosperous cultivators, who later on dominated the political scene. Some of the inscriptions refer to them as Kutumbinah which is interpreted as meaning cultivators.”
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=cUhuAAAAMAAJ&dq=vokkaliga+rashtrakuta&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=vokkaliga+rashtrakuta Cyberanthropologist ( talk) 04:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Castes like Telugu Reddy, Marathi Marathas are mentioned in the article despite historians like Altekar proving the contrary (Even this is mentioned in the origin of Rahstrkutas article, but you’ve let Reddy and Maratha stay). Even obscure origin theories from Punjab are mentioned. It’s only fair that the Chief Cultivating Kannada caste, the Vokkaligas are mentioned.
Kannad origin isn’t sufficient as that is not an ethnic identity like caste. Kindly allow the addition of Vokkaligas for fairness and neutrality. Cyberanthropologist ( talk) 14:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Alright sir, thank you for maintaining the top knotch article. Cyberanthropologist ( talk) 14:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Citation missing for the following sentence under Architecture section:
“Other famous rock-cut temples in the Maharashtra region are the Dhumer Lena and Dashvatara cave temples in Ellora (famous for its sculptures of Vishnu and Shivaleela) and the Jogeshvari temple near Mumbai.”
Were these temples built by Rashtrakutas too? Clarity needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:578A:90AE:8166:FF8F:F57E:AA30 ( talk) 14:06, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
There are no proper links for editors to check validity of the claims in this article for example, in society section it is extensively given that sati practice was prevalent but no link is given for readers to cross check the fact. The para even goes as far as saying that there are examples of members of royal family self immolating but does not give any proof of it. Should this be allowed? MindOfOm ( talk) 03:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
"At their peak the Rashtrakutas of Manyakheta ruled a vast empire stretching from the Ganges River and Yamuna River doab in the north to Kanyakumari in the south" This statement is not backed with evidence. 217.43.83.91 ( talk) 00:07, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 17:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Rashtrakuta dynasty → Rashtrakuta Empire – The Rashtrakutas were an empire than a dynasty, the empire consisted of many regions, states and vassals or feudatories of different ethno-linguistical identity and their region, in modern India the states which were part of the Rashtrakuta extension were Karnataka, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Tamil Nadu, Goa, Madhya Pradesh and their influence over Northern India & Sri Lanka, here is an Historian based work which shows the map of Rashtrakutas in his work which is mainly written about Rashtrakutas [1] CatTheMeow ( talk) 14:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal ( talk) 15:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Rashtrakuta Empire → Rashtrakutas – Ngram graph [1] suggests that the term Rashtrakutas have been used throughout commonly, and much WP:RS refers it in similar way. In JSTOR, 320 results for "Rashtrakutas" [2] 288 results for "Rashtrakuta dynasty" [3], and 17 results for "Rashtrakuta Empire" [4]. The pattern repeats in most of the WP:RS Imperial [AFCND] 18:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 20:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)