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It is very difficult to find street addresses for those train stops. Does anyone mind if I post them if I manage to find them? It would be nice if someone local could just type them into the discussion page at the least. Thanks
There is a slot in the infobox for stations for the address Tlantanu ( talk) 17:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Added NY Penn and Secaucus Junction as a not-yet-open part of the route map. Shouldn't violate WP:CRYSTAL as secondary sources to this point indicate that when the Trans Hudson Express tunnel is completed, the terminal of the Raritan Valley Line will definitely be extended to NY Penn. Mister Senseless™ ( Speak - Contributions) 22:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Haven't they suspended all service to Hoboken? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noepel ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The cited for this article refer to the locomotive engines terminating as late as the 1960s at Communipaw Terminal in Jersey City, New Jersey. However, other references point to the fact that there was an arrangement since 1918 for Pennsylvania Railroad locomotives to haul the passenger cars from Jersey City directly to Pennsylvania Station in New York, New York, bypassing the need for passengers to debark to buses to haul people on ferries to Manhattan. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=46013 Dogru144 ( talk) 22:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
And journalists today are not that precise when they refer to the end of passenger service. They simply refer to the last train and year, not which road was the carrier. Actually, the trains were most likely using diesel. The last LVRR run to NY was in 1961 (although its flagship Black Diamond ended service in 1959), when nearly all the passenger locomotives were diesel, not steam. Secondly, all the schedule/timetable references say that the trains were terminating in New York, not Jersey city. Given that the tunnels were constructed with electric, not steam or diesel locomotives in mind, there still needs some explanation. Your engine swap reference makes sense and is useful. However, wikipedia rules being what they are, we need a reference for the engine swap. This must have been done most speedily, as the schedules give short times between the Black Diamond's appearance at Jersey City and New York City. Dogru144 ( talk) 10:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The article just now had a tangential discussion on the LVRR in the context of the Aldene Connection. We still need an explanation as to why the engines stopped at Newark and did not go to Hoboken. Don't some of the North Jersey Coast trains do the same? Some of the trains originate from there and not only NY Penn Station. This tangential discussion would confuse readers as to why the LVRR is being discussed, when its passenger service ended in 1961, six years before the 1967 Aldene Connection. This discussion is not encyclopedic. Dogru144 ( talk) 10:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The article is 1) on a commuter line, 2) on a CNJ legacy line. It is not re freight issues; it is not re LVRR. If there is a need and interest in those matters, then those issues can be pursued in a separate article. Dogru144 ( talk) 22:35, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
I've restored the paragraph on the Aldene plan. Any article on this line that doesn't describe it is severely deficient. As it stood, the article spent more time on the route to Jersey City, where trains haven't gone in almost half a century, and didn;t at all describe how they actually get to Newark. That's absolutely unacceptable. oknazevad ( talk) 16:56, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Re the ARC plan, why cannot dual mode locomotives be used in the existing tunnels? The trains would switch to electric power in some spot such as Newark Penn, then progress to Penn. Can you point to literature or sites that say that dual mode is conditional upon the ARC tunnel? Is not the purchase of the dual-mode locomotives going ahead, regardless of Gov. Christie's ARC cancellation? Dogru144 ( talk) 22:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
The segment was part of passenger service to eastern Pennsylvania. I have restored this discussion. Here is a map documenting CNJ coverage in conjunction with the Raritan Valley route. http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/HISTORICALMAPS/RAILROADS/Central_RR_1941.jpg Dogru144 ( talk) 10:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC) This segment was part of the CNJ's Lehigh-Susquehanna Division. It is documented on this 1930 timetable. http://timetables.m72express.com/scans/CNJ-LehighSusq1930TT.gif Dogru144 ( talk) 11:11, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Without explanation the following route description was removed: From Newark southwest to Cranford the line follows the former right of way of the Lehigh Valley Railroad. Editors, please do not remove content without due cause or explanation on this page. Dogru144 ( talk) 05:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Other lines have their length in the info box. The length of this line is nowhere to be found. Dogru144 ( talk) 03:43, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia uses official names for stations, not vernacular abbreviations. Therefore, I have reverted the station name for the Manhattan terminal. Dogru144 ( talk) 20:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
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It is very difficult to find street addresses for those train stops. Does anyone mind if I post them if I manage to find them? It would be nice if someone local could just type them into the discussion page at the least. Thanks
There is a slot in the infobox for stations for the address Tlantanu ( talk) 17:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Added NY Penn and Secaucus Junction as a not-yet-open part of the route map. Shouldn't violate WP:CRYSTAL as secondary sources to this point indicate that when the Trans Hudson Express tunnel is completed, the terminal of the Raritan Valley Line will definitely be extended to NY Penn. Mister Senseless™ ( Speak - Contributions) 22:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Haven't they suspended all service to Hoboken? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noepel ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The cited for this article refer to the locomotive engines terminating as late as the 1960s at Communipaw Terminal in Jersey City, New Jersey. However, other references point to the fact that there was an arrangement since 1918 for Pennsylvania Railroad locomotives to haul the passenger cars from Jersey City directly to Pennsylvania Station in New York, New York, bypassing the need for passengers to debark to buses to haul people on ferries to Manhattan. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=46013 Dogru144 ( talk) 22:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
And journalists today are not that precise when they refer to the end of passenger service. They simply refer to the last train and year, not which road was the carrier. Actually, the trains were most likely using diesel. The last LVRR run to NY was in 1961 (although its flagship Black Diamond ended service in 1959), when nearly all the passenger locomotives were diesel, not steam. Secondly, all the schedule/timetable references say that the trains were terminating in New York, not Jersey city. Given that the tunnels were constructed with electric, not steam or diesel locomotives in mind, there still needs some explanation. Your engine swap reference makes sense and is useful. However, wikipedia rules being what they are, we need a reference for the engine swap. This must have been done most speedily, as the schedules give short times between the Black Diamond's appearance at Jersey City and New York City. Dogru144 ( talk) 10:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The article just now had a tangential discussion on the LVRR in the context of the Aldene Connection. We still need an explanation as to why the engines stopped at Newark and did not go to Hoboken. Don't some of the North Jersey Coast trains do the same? Some of the trains originate from there and not only NY Penn Station. This tangential discussion would confuse readers as to why the LVRR is being discussed, when its passenger service ended in 1961, six years before the 1967 Aldene Connection. This discussion is not encyclopedic. Dogru144 ( talk) 10:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The article is 1) on a commuter line, 2) on a CNJ legacy line. It is not re freight issues; it is not re LVRR. If there is a need and interest in those matters, then those issues can be pursued in a separate article. Dogru144 ( talk) 22:35, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
I've restored the paragraph on the Aldene plan. Any article on this line that doesn't describe it is severely deficient. As it stood, the article spent more time on the route to Jersey City, where trains haven't gone in almost half a century, and didn;t at all describe how they actually get to Newark. That's absolutely unacceptable. oknazevad ( talk) 16:56, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Re the ARC plan, why cannot dual mode locomotives be used in the existing tunnels? The trains would switch to electric power in some spot such as Newark Penn, then progress to Penn. Can you point to literature or sites that say that dual mode is conditional upon the ARC tunnel? Is not the purchase of the dual-mode locomotives going ahead, regardless of Gov. Christie's ARC cancellation? Dogru144 ( talk) 22:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
The segment was part of passenger service to eastern Pennsylvania. I have restored this discussion. Here is a map documenting CNJ coverage in conjunction with the Raritan Valley route. http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/HISTORICALMAPS/RAILROADS/Central_RR_1941.jpg Dogru144 ( talk) 10:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC) This segment was part of the CNJ's Lehigh-Susquehanna Division. It is documented on this 1930 timetable. http://timetables.m72express.com/scans/CNJ-LehighSusq1930TT.gif Dogru144 ( talk) 11:11, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Without explanation the following route description was removed: From Newark southwest to Cranford the line follows the former right of way of the Lehigh Valley Railroad. Editors, please do not remove content without due cause or explanation on this page. Dogru144 ( talk) 05:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Other lines have their length in the info box. The length of this line is nowhere to be found. Dogru144 ( talk) 03:43, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia uses official names for stations, not vernacular abbreviations. Therefore, I have reverted the station name for the Manhattan terminal. Dogru144 ( talk) 20:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)