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rap sucks...and that is exacly why i made this page EMINEM IS NOT THE BEST SELLING RAPPER IF I MAY ADD ITS STILL TUPAC yea
PROPAGANDA
I posted the following comments to the rapping peer review page. I'm not sure that I used peer review correctly and I'm reposting my comments here.
The external links section describes the BBC page as a wiki. Is this accurate?
The flow section has a link labelled " prosody", which points to a disambiguation page. I don't know which of the, presumably related, meanings of prosody is intended, but one of them is meter (poetry), which is linked from the next paragraph. If they both mean the same thing, only one of them needs to be a link, according to WP:MOS-L#Internal links.
In the same section, it would be nice to expand the discussion of metre. The article mentions Run-DMC as employing trochaic pentameter, but I found a web disussion, [1] which quotes Dana Gioia as using Run-DMC as an example of accentual metre (rather than accentual-syllabic metre, of which trochaic pentameter is an example):
I'd go ahead and edit, but I don't know how to tackle this. Tim Ivorson 2006-05-28
Ok, it seems like it won't get featured. Here's our to-do list:
Go ahead and add to this list please, -- Urthogie 13:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Lets start with basic elements. This article needs a solid definition of what rapping is. "rhythmic delivery of rhymes" doesnt really sound right to me, although I'm still thinking of a better way to say it. How do you guys feel about this? - Tutmosis 22:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm a very old guy -- 72 -- to "talk" about rap, but a few years ago a friend thought I had written some material that might be set to rap music.
I'd be grateful if someone who knows the subject (on some boring afternoon) would check my website to see if it has any relation to rap.
What the site does is to "translate" the sayings of Ben Franklin into rhyming sound bites.
My website is www.benandverse.com.
It has two sides -- one on Ben -- that's the one I'm curious about. (The other called "Phony Pearls of Fictitious Wisom" has some jingles, too, but I wouldn't bother with it.)
I expect my friend was dreaming, and, if that's so, I'm sorry to have wasted your time.
Sincerely,
John McCall User:64.12.117.9. Λυδ α cιτγ(TheJabberwock) 03:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand this part of PCP MC's edit. Is the "one" literal and the "other" non-literal (imagerary? imagerical?)? Both seem neither literal nor cryptic to me. Fat Joe's imagery is metaphor, but Nas's is simile. Could somebody clarify? Tim Ivorson 2006-06-22
Check it out-- cultural criticism. How should we expand it/approach it?-- Urthogie 19:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
== New Section == - cultural criticism
Both G.l.a.d. vs. Eminem and Bill O'Reily vs Ludacris could be used. Also NWA vs. FBI. Tipper Gore and the cencorship issue "Tipper Stickers" should also be included. I also know Oprah has issues with some of Rap. (I think primarily ludacris) -- Robtl400 18:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to note that no one has analysed the gender dynamics of rap culture in this article. Rap is blatantly masculine with very few women rappers and very few themes that are not masculinist. I'm not an expert in rap, otherwise I'd contribute to the gender section on rap.
____ Exactly, you're obviously no expert. There have been many female rappers since the art was formed. There are "masculinist" themes as you say, but by no means are they the overwhelming majority.
According to this article, rapping, is ...Derived from African, and Jamaican roots.
Erm, is it? Who says? Just Jamaica - not the Carribean? What part of Africa? Are there other influences? Isn't the English language (a significant part of European culture) an influence?
I've requested citation for this, but a user has reverted this without reason. Can we please provide a source for this statement, and be a little more specific? This article is designated as needing work, and I think to move the article forward this isn't unreasonable. 86.133.72.40 20:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Read the article, it explains the roots and influences.-- 74.128.175.60 01:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
The English language? Are you crazy? There you people go again, trying to tie anything to a white man just because you like it. I dismiss that BS. I question the Jamaican influence on rapping. Doing light raps over a beat without rhythm does not equal rapping in the hip-hop sense. Kool Herc was a DJ, not a rapper. Someone must have decided to rap and in the way that made legit music and modern hip-hop.--
71.235.81.39
15:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be somthing more on the beat poets other then just a brief mention under a section 10 years after their main era, it just seams to me that while they might not have influenced the creation of rap, they where reciting and improvising poetry to music, jazz, in the late 50s.
i think the linkages to west africa and the griots are very clear and widely accepted within the hip hop community. there have been interesting studies recently on how southern culture was influenced by scottish and irish culture (people of scottish and irish descent are the largest ethnic groups in the american south even today) and how southern culture in turn influenced black american culture. Tap dancing, for instance, combines irish reels and african rhythms, and the article on roots music also mentions the african-celtic fusion as being critical to american roots music. since hip hop, like virtually all american music, can be ultimately traced back to roots music and since the oldest rhyming poetry in the world is irish, one could make a strong case that there are obviously linkages between hip hop / rap and non-african forms of music. The fact that early hip hop music sampled german techno bands like kraftwerk relentlessly would be another obviously non-african influence. beat poetry is also huge, and gets mentioned all the time in interviews with people who were in the scene early on.
hip hop is syncretic, it takes elements from everywhere and everything. acknowledging that isn't "tying it to the white man", it's recognizing that cultures are fluid and interact with and influence each other. - may 11, 2007
Don't forget the interaction during this fluid time. -- Markzero 09:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)" Rapping was a term in popular use in the 1960s and 1970s, used synonymously with both casual, open-ended conversational dialogues (often called " rap sessions") and beat poetry. I wonder if, in fact, the initial use of the term by hip hop music artists reflected a recognition and extension of that previous common usage? -- Markzero 12:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Language has nothing to do with "rapping" per se, it is a style and tradition, not a language, neither does it depend on one specific language. Also, I love the article, especially with the part dealing with origins. Too bad Rap music or mainstream rapping in general has totally went down the drain. It was a real art like 10 years ago. Don't get me wrong tho, it still is, just not in wid use and has been distorted. Taharqa 01:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I searched for "Rap" and it has no article, so maybe it would be best to redirect it to here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bélancourt ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
It should direct to the article about hip-hop music. True heads (aficionados) find the R-word abhorrent. Peace.
A quick search on Google scholar brought up some journal papers that may be of some use to this article re: language and rhyme patterns (although probably a little OTT):
The article says Eminem sold more, but according to Guiness, it's Tupac. Am I missing something here?-- Urthogie 02:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
"According to the Guinness World Records 2005, Eminem is the highest selling rapper of all time. citation needed"
- I just removed this from the article. Eminem has sold nowhere near the amount of records as Tupac who is easily the highest selling rapper of all time with over 80 million albums sold, any source will tell you so. I attribute this edit to increasing vandalism, there are a lot of Eminem fans on Wikipedia... just check out the Tupac article itself. ORBJ 06:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I seriously think that, even though this article is getting bigger, it still has serious potential to become featured once the new content is brought up to par, and the old content is reviewed. Check it:
-- Urthogie 04:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
67.85.203.150 ( talk) 20:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC) helper456
Pardon me, but the citation offered to support the claim in the article that the Pope denounced rap points to a fake, humorous, PARODY of a Larry King transcript. It's written by Rob Long of the National Review, who's written other fake Larry King transcripts for them as well. If the Pope did indeed denounce rap it wasn't here. So I'd take that sentence out until some real, nonfictional evidence can be found. 128.95.69.133 18:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I've just brought this article to Good Article Review, primarily due to a lack of inline citations. -- Lenin and McCarthy | ( Complain here) 16:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed the article page for the abbreviation MC is a redirect to "rapping". Assuming that "MC" stands for Master of Ceremonies, wouldn't it have more meanings than "rapper"? I'm also wondering how this got to be used as a synonym, probably worth writing a small paragraph about. -- MiG 15:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place to bring this up, but from my understanding, MC, is slang, or an abbreviation of the word Emcee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvanov ( talk • contribs) 05:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Rap was redirected to hip hop music, though there never was a consensus reached on the ongoing discussion of that move. the main argument for redirect was generally that "many people will [mistakenly] type "rap" while looking for "hip hop music." While an argument could be made for that with Rap music, it seems a little more strained with Rap. As such, I have not redirected Rap music away from Hip hop music, but I have redirected rap back to Rapping. -RoBoTam ice 14:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Aren't raps supposed to be 16 lines and choruses be 8 lines by default or something? The article should have a section on this -- 165.173.126.212 15:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
--No it shouldn't because that is completely false.
72.93.156.196
20:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The "Regional Variations" section mentions the French, Greek etc hip hop scenes, and even relatively obscure ones, but a very major one, Germany, is left out. Germany has a huge hip-hop scene, and there's plenty of information already in wikipedia. It should definitely be included.
edit from french people :
"Outside of the United States the largest hip hop scene is in France, and artists such as MC Solaar and Les Nubians have even crossed over into the American market. As with early American hip hop, social and political issues figure strongly in much of French hip hop and the majority of performers come from the country's ethnic minorities, notably the Arab population."
False ! It's notably the African population.
In the "1980's" section Bondie's Rapture should link to Rapture (song). Instead it links to the page for "the" Rapture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.196.166 ( talk) 03:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
this article focuses mainly on rap as it relates to hip hop. i'd like to point out the influence that rap has had on other music. since the 80's people have been rapping to many styles of music. rock, punk, metal, jazz, and even country. rap's importance exdends far beyond the hip hop genre. 74.138.203.148 04:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
You removed my link to wiktionary's rap article. OK, but what about people who visit rap and find no references to other uses, like "get a bad rap", "take the rap", etc. What are they to think? Maybe they are now obsolete? What do I know. Jidanni ( talk) 11:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
It would seem to me that there is some excessive linking in the article; for example, Run DMC is wikilinked three times, as is Kool Herc, and i count five for the Wu-Tang-Clan. In addition there are examples of two links together which lead to different places, as the fourth point here recommends against ~ American Blues in the second paragraph, for example. I don't mind changing this, but as it is well outside my usual interests, i don't want to risk offending anyone who feels protective of the subject. Cheers, Lindsay ( talk) 21:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
For the Reference Section, I would like to submit an article that considers the sociological implications of Rap. This article was first published at The Spectator (London). Here's the link: http://www.artsandopinion.com/2005_v4_n3/lewis-16.htm Thanking you for the consideration, Artsandopinion ( talk) 17:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)Robert Lewis
Thanks for the quick response. You write that it's musically ill-informed. Since rap can mean many things to many people, it's a view that adds to the overall understanding and evolution of rap, don't you think?. Is there any way to incorporate that part of the article that bears on the wiki definition? Artsandopinion ( talk) 13:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)Robert Lewis
Many, many songs rhymed. And that's all rap is. Rhymes with a base baats. Seems like wikipedia is some springboard for racist/ethnocentrist fanatasies than reality. Funny this "west african" rooted tradition only popped up hundreds of years after 99.9% of all african americans were in the united stats. That's some damn fine collective memory. 66.190.29.150 ( talk) 08:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
"Almost all popular rappers identify themselves as heterosexual. A dislike for homosexuals is prevalent in hip hop culture, as is the use of the word "faggot."[citation needed] Some heterosexual rappers, such as Kanye West, have spoken out against the homophobic themes which are common in rap music.[35]" This is largely bullshit, there is a huge gay underground hip hop culture. Crumple is one such artist on the rise... Someone ought to rectify this. -- 205.200.166.54 ( talk) 08:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is there not a criticism section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.78.102 ( talk) 21:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Someone oughta mention New school hip hop somewhere in the 80s, I would but I don't know enough about it. M.nelson ( talk) 19:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 |
rap sucks...and that is exacly why i made this page EMINEM IS NOT THE BEST SELLING RAPPER IF I MAY ADD ITS STILL TUPAC yea
PROPAGANDA
I posted the following comments to the rapping peer review page. I'm not sure that I used peer review correctly and I'm reposting my comments here.
The external links section describes the BBC page as a wiki. Is this accurate?
The flow section has a link labelled " prosody", which points to a disambiguation page. I don't know which of the, presumably related, meanings of prosody is intended, but one of them is meter (poetry), which is linked from the next paragraph. If they both mean the same thing, only one of them needs to be a link, according to WP:MOS-L#Internal links.
In the same section, it would be nice to expand the discussion of metre. The article mentions Run-DMC as employing trochaic pentameter, but I found a web disussion, [1] which quotes Dana Gioia as using Run-DMC as an example of accentual metre (rather than accentual-syllabic metre, of which trochaic pentameter is an example):
I'd go ahead and edit, but I don't know how to tackle this. Tim Ivorson 2006-05-28
Ok, it seems like it won't get featured. Here's our to-do list:
Go ahead and add to this list please, -- Urthogie 13:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Lets start with basic elements. This article needs a solid definition of what rapping is. "rhythmic delivery of rhymes" doesnt really sound right to me, although I'm still thinking of a better way to say it. How do you guys feel about this? - Tutmosis 22:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm a very old guy -- 72 -- to "talk" about rap, but a few years ago a friend thought I had written some material that might be set to rap music.
I'd be grateful if someone who knows the subject (on some boring afternoon) would check my website to see if it has any relation to rap.
What the site does is to "translate" the sayings of Ben Franklin into rhyming sound bites.
My website is www.benandverse.com.
It has two sides -- one on Ben -- that's the one I'm curious about. (The other called "Phony Pearls of Fictitious Wisom" has some jingles, too, but I wouldn't bother with it.)
I expect my friend was dreaming, and, if that's so, I'm sorry to have wasted your time.
Sincerely,
John McCall User:64.12.117.9. Λυδ α cιτγ(TheJabberwock) 03:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand this part of PCP MC's edit. Is the "one" literal and the "other" non-literal (imagerary? imagerical?)? Both seem neither literal nor cryptic to me. Fat Joe's imagery is metaphor, but Nas's is simile. Could somebody clarify? Tim Ivorson 2006-06-22
Check it out-- cultural criticism. How should we expand it/approach it?-- Urthogie 19:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
== New Section == - cultural criticism
Both G.l.a.d. vs. Eminem and Bill O'Reily vs Ludacris could be used. Also NWA vs. FBI. Tipper Gore and the cencorship issue "Tipper Stickers" should also be included. I also know Oprah has issues with some of Rap. (I think primarily ludacris) -- Robtl400 18:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to note that no one has analysed the gender dynamics of rap culture in this article. Rap is blatantly masculine with very few women rappers and very few themes that are not masculinist. I'm not an expert in rap, otherwise I'd contribute to the gender section on rap.
____ Exactly, you're obviously no expert. There have been many female rappers since the art was formed. There are "masculinist" themes as you say, but by no means are they the overwhelming majority.
According to this article, rapping, is ...Derived from African, and Jamaican roots.
Erm, is it? Who says? Just Jamaica - not the Carribean? What part of Africa? Are there other influences? Isn't the English language (a significant part of European culture) an influence?
I've requested citation for this, but a user has reverted this without reason. Can we please provide a source for this statement, and be a little more specific? This article is designated as needing work, and I think to move the article forward this isn't unreasonable. 86.133.72.40 20:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Read the article, it explains the roots and influences.-- 74.128.175.60 01:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
The English language? Are you crazy? There you people go again, trying to tie anything to a white man just because you like it. I dismiss that BS. I question the Jamaican influence on rapping. Doing light raps over a beat without rhythm does not equal rapping in the hip-hop sense. Kool Herc was a DJ, not a rapper. Someone must have decided to rap and in the way that made legit music and modern hip-hop.--
71.235.81.39
15:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be somthing more on the beat poets other then just a brief mention under a section 10 years after their main era, it just seams to me that while they might not have influenced the creation of rap, they where reciting and improvising poetry to music, jazz, in the late 50s.
i think the linkages to west africa and the griots are very clear and widely accepted within the hip hop community. there have been interesting studies recently on how southern culture was influenced by scottish and irish culture (people of scottish and irish descent are the largest ethnic groups in the american south even today) and how southern culture in turn influenced black american culture. Tap dancing, for instance, combines irish reels and african rhythms, and the article on roots music also mentions the african-celtic fusion as being critical to american roots music. since hip hop, like virtually all american music, can be ultimately traced back to roots music and since the oldest rhyming poetry in the world is irish, one could make a strong case that there are obviously linkages between hip hop / rap and non-african forms of music. The fact that early hip hop music sampled german techno bands like kraftwerk relentlessly would be another obviously non-african influence. beat poetry is also huge, and gets mentioned all the time in interviews with people who were in the scene early on.
hip hop is syncretic, it takes elements from everywhere and everything. acknowledging that isn't "tying it to the white man", it's recognizing that cultures are fluid and interact with and influence each other. - may 11, 2007
Don't forget the interaction during this fluid time. -- Markzero 09:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)" Rapping was a term in popular use in the 1960s and 1970s, used synonymously with both casual, open-ended conversational dialogues (often called " rap sessions") and beat poetry. I wonder if, in fact, the initial use of the term by hip hop music artists reflected a recognition and extension of that previous common usage? -- Markzero 12:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Language has nothing to do with "rapping" per se, it is a style and tradition, not a language, neither does it depend on one specific language. Also, I love the article, especially with the part dealing with origins. Too bad Rap music or mainstream rapping in general has totally went down the drain. It was a real art like 10 years ago. Don't get me wrong tho, it still is, just not in wid use and has been distorted. Taharqa 01:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I searched for "Rap" and it has no article, so maybe it would be best to redirect it to here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bélancourt ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
It should direct to the article about hip-hop music. True heads (aficionados) find the R-word abhorrent. Peace.
A quick search on Google scholar brought up some journal papers that may be of some use to this article re: language and rhyme patterns (although probably a little OTT):
The article says Eminem sold more, but according to Guiness, it's Tupac. Am I missing something here?-- Urthogie 02:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
"According to the Guinness World Records 2005, Eminem is the highest selling rapper of all time. citation needed"
- I just removed this from the article. Eminem has sold nowhere near the amount of records as Tupac who is easily the highest selling rapper of all time with over 80 million albums sold, any source will tell you so. I attribute this edit to increasing vandalism, there are a lot of Eminem fans on Wikipedia... just check out the Tupac article itself. ORBJ 06:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I seriously think that, even though this article is getting bigger, it still has serious potential to become featured once the new content is brought up to par, and the old content is reviewed. Check it:
-- Urthogie 04:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
67.85.203.150 ( talk) 20:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC) helper456
Pardon me, but the citation offered to support the claim in the article that the Pope denounced rap points to a fake, humorous, PARODY of a Larry King transcript. It's written by Rob Long of the National Review, who's written other fake Larry King transcripts for them as well. If the Pope did indeed denounce rap it wasn't here. So I'd take that sentence out until some real, nonfictional evidence can be found. 128.95.69.133 18:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I've just brought this article to Good Article Review, primarily due to a lack of inline citations. -- Lenin and McCarthy | ( Complain here) 16:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed the article page for the abbreviation MC is a redirect to "rapping". Assuming that "MC" stands for Master of Ceremonies, wouldn't it have more meanings than "rapper"? I'm also wondering how this got to be used as a synonym, probably worth writing a small paragraph about. -- MiG 15:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place to bring this up, but from my understanding, MC, is slang, or an abbreviation of the word Emcee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvanov ( talk • contribs) 05:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Rap was redirected to hip hop music, though there never was a consensus reached on the ongoing discussion of that move. the main argument for redirect was generally that "many people will [mistakenly] type "rap" while looking for "hip hop music." While an argument could be made for that with Rap music, it seems a little more strained with Rap. As such, I have not redirected Rap music away from Hip hop music, but I have redirected rap back to Rapping. -RoBoTam ice 14:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Aren't raps supposed to be 16 lines and choruses be 8 lines by default or something? The article should have a section on this -- 165.173.126.212 15:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
--No it shouldn't because that is completely false.
72.93.156.196
20:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The "Regional Variations" section mentions the French, Greek etc hip hop scenes, and even relatively obscure ones, but a very major one, Germany, is left out. Germany has a huge hip-hop scene, and there's plenty of information already in wikipedia. It should definitely be included.
edit from french people :
"Outside of the United States the largest hip hop scene is in France, and artists such as MC Solaar and Les Nubians have even crossed over into the American market. As with early American hip hop, social and political issues figure strongly in much of French hip hop and the majority of performers come from the country's ethnic minorities, notably the Arab population."
False ! It's notably the African population.
In the "1980's" section Bondie's Rapture should link to Rapture (song). Instead it links to the page for "the" Rapture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.196.166 ( talk) 03:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
this article focuses mainly on rap as it relates to hip hop. i'd like to point out the influence that rap has had on other music. since the 80's people have been rapping to many styles of music. rock, punk, metal, jazz, and even country. rap's importance exdends far beyond the hip hop genre. 74.138.203.148 04:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
You removed my link to wiktionary's rap article. OK, but what about people who visit rap and find no references to other uses, like "get a bad rap", "take the rap", etc. What are they to think? Maybe they are now obsolete? What do I know. Jidanni ( talk) 11:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
It would seem to me that there is some excessive linking in the article; for example, Run DMC is wikilinked three times, as is Kool Herc, and i count five for the Wu-Tang-Clan. In addition there are examples of two links together which lead to different places, as the fourth point here recommends against ~ American Blues in the second paragraph, for example. I don't mind changing this, but as it is well outside my usual interests, i don't want to risk offending anyone who feels protective of the subject. Cheers, Lindsay ( talk) 21:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
For the Reference Section, I would like to submit an article that considers the sociological implications of Rap. This article was first published at The Spectator (London). Here's the link: http://www.artsandopinion.com/2005_v4_n3/lewis-16.htm Thanking you for the consideration, Artsandopinion ( talk) 17:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)Robert Lewis
Thanks for the quick response. You write that it's musically ill-informed. Since rap can mean many things to many people, it's a view that adds to the overall understanding and evolution of rap, don't you think?. Is there any way to incorporate that part of the article that bears on the wiki definition? Artsandopinion ( talk) 13:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)Robert Lewis
Many, many songs rhymed. And that's all rap is. Rhymes with a base baats. Seems like wikipedia is some springboard for racist/ethnocentrist fanatasies than reality. Funny this "west african" rooted tradition only popped up hundreds of years after 99.9% of all african americans were in the united stats. That's some damn fine collective memory. 66.190.29.150 ( talk) 08:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
"Almost all popular rappers identify themselves as heterosexual. A dislike for homosexuals is prevalent in hip hop culture, as is the use of the word "faggot."[citation needed] Some heterosexual rappers, such as Kanye West, have spoken out against the homophobic themes which are common in rap music.[35]" This is largely bullshit, there is a huge gay underground hip hop culture. Crumple is one such artist on the rise... Someone ought to rectify this. -- 205.200.166.54 ( talk) 08:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is there not a criticism section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.78.102 ( talk) 21:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Someone oughta mention New school hip hop somewhere in the 80s, I would but I don't know enough about it. M.nelson ( talk) 19:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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