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I'm moving this to rapping. It's more natural and less potentially controversial (if rap alone is music, then so is spoken word poetry) Tuf-Kat
Random tangential thought from the apologetically suburban white chick -- where (if anywhere) should there be a mention of Debbie Harry and other more mainstream white acts that helped to bring at least the sound of rap to the radio? 4.61.199.148
I removed the following, which states that Much early rap did not contain any samples: "probably due to the fact that at the time ( 1979- 1985) the equipment was not as readily available."
However, as turntables and single pole double throw switches had been around for a while, were widely available, and were the basis of hip hop music... Hyacinth 01:34, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
YES.
I haven't seen much discussion in this article about the evolution of rhyme-styles from the late 70's, the mid 80's, the 90's, to the present. For example, the generally simple structure of Run-DMC rhymes compared to Chino XL, Nas, etc. Alexander 007 06:25, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Rap music, since it references the genre, should redirect to hip hop music. [[Rap]] should arguably redirect to rapping, although it might be best to link-check and disambig each article manually (not a one-person task by any means). -- b. Touch 00:46, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am removing the following:
Rap may be a multi-million dollar money-making industry, but it does have its detractors. Those who have an indepth understanding of music and all of its styles see rap as a regression from melodic and creative innnovations. Rap needs very little talent and requires no vocal abilities other than speaking quickly and rhyming. Rap and Hip-Hop are less about music and more about the use of language and attitude.
Rock and Roll was certainly depised by the right wing when Elvis "The Pelvis" Presley began his career swinging his hips, but Rap has come at a time when people's expectations of talent are lower than ever. With the Music Video, Rap is all about artifice and the superficial nature of the "gangsta" lifestyle.
Rap "artists" need no musical instruments and only use a turntable to perform their "scratches". Rap relies heavily on the ghetto attitudes and lives within it's own cynical world of violence and sex. It may even qualify today as the equivalent of the 1960's "counterculture" movement. Unlike the Beatles and other rock acts of the 60's that spoke of revolution and social change, Rap does not influence young people to make positive statements and challenge modern day society. If it did, we would see a portion of young people looking for peaceful ways of dealing with international conflicts like the one in Irag. Rap is self-defeating in it's own negative messages. Rap does not create a positive listening atmosphere with it's lyrics.
The Music Industry has used Rap as a tool to make money easily and quickly. Without the need for long studio time to record an album and the lack of muiscians, Rap artists have attempted to make themselves sound more "musical" by using (some would call "stealing") musical samples from other more legitimate musicians. Many Pop and Rock artists have had their music lifted and inserted into Rap music, including Steely Dan ("Black Cow", from their 1977 album, "Aja") and even Michael Jackson.
What is even more surprising is that there has not been more of a backlash to this kind of parasitic action. Usually the samples are lifted from much more older popular music, probably because the youth of today are much less likely to be familiar with these older musical artists and will not be able to make the connection.
Popular music is at a stand-still during this era. Over the past thirty years, there have been many fads that have come and gone, usually because the general public wanted something new and fresh. The 1970's began with light pop, went to disco, the 1980's saw the brief movement to "Punk" music and the New Wave artists like Duran Duran, and the latter part of the 1980's saw the beginnings of Rap entering the mainstream.
Somehow, we now are at a place where really experienced musicians are no longer seen in the Top 40. The public really wants a fresh face. American Idol, Canadian Idol and programs like this have created an industry where the talent need not be that of experienced musicians. We now have very young and inexperienced people signing contracts who have never even taken a music lesson in their lives. Their knowledge is also deeply in question.
This has benefited record companies who no longer have to deal with strong-minded and experienced musicians who expect the appropriate pay and contracts for their services. Now, the record companies need not worry about such confrontations when it comes to signing their talent. When someone who is only 16 comes to the bargaining table, what kind of life-experience can they bring to that situation? Ultimately, the record companies can dictate the terms and the young person, generally naieve, will probably sign anyway. And get a raw deal, with promises of an amazing career. Somehow, believing that they will stay in the business longer than five minutes.
The public needs musical education and should expect changes in the music industry. This is what keeps popular music fresh and vital. Right now, we are seeing very little of this in an industry that no one longer values. Not even the record compaines themselves.
Though this is for the most part very unencyclopedic writting, it does bring up some points that could be expanded upon. So I am leaving it here and if I find some time or somebody else wants invest the time, we can use this to create a higher quality section of the negative aspects of rap. TimMony 17:37, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
hiphop used to bed much more focused on the mesage not like a 50 cent or ja rule fuck it up nowadays, hiphop until i would say 1997 was great, krs-one and the wu-tang-clan fro example had messages even gansgta rap made comments that wer actaul, sush as NWA's parental disrection advised. hiphop should focus more on the message cause when it's talklike music peoplec an understand it better so you better have something to say, nowadays it's all cars and girls, 50 cent for example isn't really hiphop he is just weak garbage of what hiphop can be - lil'boy
I removed this:
...this doesn't even make sense. Rapping by itself is just rhyming without any music or a beat. -- FuriousFreddy 3 July 2005 21:32 (UTC)
This move needs to happen, because people are mistakingly confusing this as the page for "rap music" which, again, is at hip hop music. -- FuriousFreddy 17:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
I have decided not to move this page, and record this as a "no consensus", seeing as there has been no discussion for a few weeks. --
Francs
2000
01:20, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Uh, Yes. We already said that.
YES.
Rapping was a term in popular use in the 1960s and 1970s, used synonymously with both casual, open-ended conversational dialogues (often called " rap sessions") and beat poetry. I wonder if, in fact, the initial use of the term by hip hop music artists reflected a recognition and extension of that previous common usage?
-- Markzero 12:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
You're right, I'll address this, right now.-- Urthogie 19:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
does someone have a source on run DMC being the FIRST group in rap-rock? cus im pretty sure they were just the first ones to be noticed for it- after all, from what ive read from bambataa, punks and new wavers were bringing their music to the clubs in the inner city all the time.
also, wasn't there someone(was it ice-t) who did some first ever collab with the rock/metal group, anthrax? just want to make sure this is all sourced...im hoping to get this article featured eventually if we work it up!
Uh..Its definitely relevant to this article because of the following: "Rapping is one of the four elements of hip hop: MCing (rapping), DJing (mixing, cutting and scratching), graffiti (tagging), and breakdancing. However, in the course of rap's history, new musical styles developed that use rapping - especially rapcore, also known as rap/rock or rap/metal, first introduced by crossover pioneer Run-DMC's collaboration with Aerosmith in 1986. Some alternative rap has musically very little to do with mainstream hip hop music. Often consisting of bizarre soundscapes and vivid lyrics, abstract hip-hop has developed, largely in the underground." Urthogie 03:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't we create a page devoted to hip hop production, yknow the part of hip hop that focuses on the beat only, not the raps, or the djing techniques of turntablism? If we're gonna have a page like this focused on the history and techniques of rapping, why not of beat production as well.
As a sidenote, I was wondering if youre an emcee, or dj, or whatever in real life, and if so, where you representin. peace, -- Urthogie 03:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe that just like rapping, the beat production of hip hop should have its own place away from the main Hip-Hop article. It only follows to give as much value to intricacies of beat production as it does to rapping. The reason i was thinking this is because in doing this article(rapping) we found that the rapping and hip hop articles overlap a lot, which allowed us to sort out certain things from this article...i was thinking the same could be accomplished by sorting out the things not related to scratching, and spinning records from the DJing article. Also, leaving the music production aspects of hip-hop to rest on the shoulders of turntablism would be asking too much of that article. turntablism is actually more of a movement in Hip-Hop to bring the focus back on the DJ. While it is heavily focused to Hip-Hop production, it is not synonymous with it.
On a personal note, Im an MC in my junior year of high school in the boring midwest(im going overseas soon fortunately). Am I right to say youre producing Hip-Hop? If so, I was wondering if you could tell me what's the main focus locally over there, or if any new artists are popping up out of the area?
-- Urthogie 05:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
When we say "add sources", we mean the way you would for a professional paper. See Wikipedia: Cite your sources. -- FuriousFreddy 21:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
-- FuriousFreddy 21:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Id like you to please cite the rule which says not to categorize things in both categories. From what I understood, theoretically and logistically, it made sense to add rapping the category of hip-hop(which i created). I capitalize hip-hop because I refer to it as a culture, but Im okay with doing this the way you want to, cus its not a big point to me. I will do the sources at some point, I just did them like this as a temporary solution Urthogie
-- FuriousFreddy 07:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
In that case I am opposed to our current category for aspects of hip hop culture. It's a given that the things in Hip-Hop will be related to Hip-Hop culture in one way or another. Not to mention that any article such as Rapping which is about one of the central elements of Hip-Hop makes it explicit in the article itself. What do you think of that category? -- Urthogie 14:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, and I think that the current organization is counterintuitive. An accessible, logical organization would show rapping and the other elements right away. Not to mention, why is rapping in the rapping category AND in the hip hop culture elements category.
Lemme elaborate: our current categories fit the rules of wikipedia, but that doesn't mean theyre accessible. One of the first things people want to see when they think of hip-hop is the page on rapping. and yet its in its own category. thats the equivalent of having an article on the white house, and having a separate category inside that for white house officials. People want to see President RIGHT AWAY! Same goes for rapping in the hip-hop category.-- Urthogie 19:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Another reason that was done is because people continuously mistake rapping as being an article on "rap music", and it needed to be made specifically clear that it is not. The article is perfectly accessible, as is Disc jockey, breakdancing, hip hop fashion, etc. from that category. There is no reason to recategorize. -- FuriousFreddy 22:04, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
" Outkast combined old school rapping with funk reminiscent of Earth Wind and Fire, while Eminem channelled the rage and angst of hard rock into melodic hip-hop songs featuring his tortured rants."
That's a POV claim, and very unencyclopedic considering its unsourced. If you can find a more reputable source to backup those claims(even though I agree with them, that doesn't mean their encyclopedic), we can put them in the article. Thanks, very much-- Urthogie 08:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Genre boxes (of the type that was previously in the upper right hand corner of the article) are only for articles about music genres. It doesn't belong here or at hip hop culture. -- FuriousFreddy 06:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I am converting the table of other genres that use hip hop into prose paragraphs, as prose is almost always preferable to lists for an encyclopedia article. -- FuriousFreddy 04:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed the Kid-n-Play picture, not because it's Kid-n-Play, but because it's a production still from Class Act. We need a picture of a rapper (don't care who, but I'd actually prefer it be a non-famous rapper or even just a photographic model) onstage wit ha microphone in their hands, looking like they are rapping. -- FuriousFreddy 06:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
What is the best way to link to media in this article?-- Urthogie 22:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Just in case anybody is wondering, I asked permission to use the SPM lyric:-- Urthogie 19:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
>From: "Anthony Monclova" <webmaster@dopehouserecords.com> >To: "'MYFULLNAME(privacy reasons)'" <MYEMAIL(to prevent spam harvesters from getting it)> >Subject: RE: permission to reprinthttp://by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?type=r&msg=0F92CA4F-4C2A-45A8-BB89-832B18568B18&start=0&len=2417&curmbox=00000000%2d0000%2d0000%2d0000%2d000000000001&a=ff515c8ee79f1fc325eb7f11cdb4b7fc09f1215450340d67824db29c670e5754# Send >Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:56:50 -0600 > >SPM Says: "Absolutely and thank you for thinking about us." >We don't see a problem that it is applied in that way. > >Regards, > >M. Anthony Monclova, WebMaster >Dope House Records >Ph: 713-862-4052 ext 16 >Fax: 713-862-1466 >Cell: 713-806-7674 >www.dopehouserecords.com >anthony@dopehouserecords.com > >ATTENTION! The information contained in this email may be CONFIDENTIAL and >PRIVILEGED. It is intended for the individual or entity named above. If you >are not the intended recipient, please be notified that any use, review, >distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have >received this email by error, please delete it and notify the sender >immediately. >Thank you. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: MYFULLNAME(privacy reasons) [mailto:MYEMAIL(to prevent spam harvesters from getting it)] >Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:24 AM >To: webmaster@dopehouserecords.com >Subject: permission to reprint > >Can I please have permission to reprint an excerpt of SPM's lyrics in an >encyclopedia article? It would be to show an example of complex rhyme >schemes. > >Thanks, > >--Urthogie
Is this a joke?!-- Greasysteve13 06:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Maybe the caption should be 'An Australian rap group on stage'? He does have a point that this does a huge amount of advertising for them. (this is the first search result for rapping, and up there with on a search for hip hop)-- Urthogie 11:43, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok. Check this out. I'm currently in the process of asking the BBC's permission to reprint that image of Will Smith aka the Fresh Prince. Looks very professional and much better than the current image(and no, im not favoring him over The Herd, its just that the image looks better).-- Urthogie 17:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Some choices:
Which ones do you guys like? I'll work on getting whatever you think looks best.-- Urthogie 10:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
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I'm moving this to rapping. It's more natural and less potentially controversial (if rap alone is music, then so is spoken word poetry) Tuf-Kat
Random tangential thought from the apologetically suburban white chick -- where (if anywhere) should there be a mention of Debbie Harry and other more mainstream white acts that helped to bring at least the sound of rap to the radio? 4.61.199.148
I removed the following, which states that Much early rap did not contain any samples: "probably due to the fact that at the time ( 1979- 1985) the equipment was not as readily available."
However, as turntables and single pole double throw switches had been around for a while, were widely available, and were the basis of hip hop music... Hyacinth 01:34, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
YES.
I haven't seen much discussion in this article about the evolution of rhyme-styles from the late 70's, the mid 80's, the 90's, to the present. For example, the generally simple structure of Run-DMC rhymes compared to Chino XL, Nas, etc. Alexander 007 06:25, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Rap music, since it references the genre, should redirect to hip hop music. [[Rap]] should arguably redirect to rapping, although it might be best to link-check and disambig each article manually (not a one-person task by any means). -- b. Touch 00:46, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am removing the following:
Rap may be a multi-million dollar money-making industry, but it does have its detractors. Those who have an indepth understanding of music and all of its styles see rap as a regression from melodic and creative innnovations. Rap needs very little talent and requires no vocal abilities other than speaking quickly and rhyming. Rap and Hip-Hop are less about music and more about the use of language and attitude.
Rock and Roll was certainly depised by the right wing when Elvis "The Pelvis" Presley began his career swinging his hips, but Rap has come at a time when people's expectations of talent are lower than ever. With the Music Video, Rap is all about artifice and the superficial nature of the "gangsta" lifestyle.
Rap "artists" need no musical instruments and only use a turntable to perform their "scratches". Rap relies heavily on the ghetto attitudes and lives within it's own cynical world of violence and sex. It may even qualify today as the equivalent of the 1960's "counterculture" movement. Unlike the Beatles and other rock acts of the 60's that spoke of revolution and social change, Rap does not influence young people to make positive statements and challenge modern day society. If it did, we would see a portion of young people looking for peaceful ways of dealing with international conflicts like the one in Irag. Rap is self-defeating in it's own negative messages. Rap does not create a positive listening atmosphere with it's lyrics.
The Music Industry has used Rap as a tool to make money easily and quickly. Without the need for long studio time to record an album and the lack of muiscians, Rap artists have attempted to make themselves sound more "musical" by using (some would call "stealing") musical samples from other more legitimate musicians. Many Pop and Rock artists have had their music lifted and inserted into Rap music, including Steely Dan ("Black Cow", from their 1977 album, "Aja") and even Michael Jackson.
What is even more surprising is that there has not been more of a backlash to this kind of parasitic action. Usually the samples are lifted from much more older popular music, probably because the youth of today are much less likely to be familiar with these older musical artists and will not be able to make the connection.
Popular music is at a stand-still during this era. Over the past thirty years, there have been many fads that have come and gone, usually because the general public wanted something new and fresh. The 1970's began with light pop, went to disco, the 1980's saw the brief movement to "Punk" music and the New Wave artists like Duran Duran, and the latter part of the 1980's saw the beginnings of Rap entering the mainstream.
Somehow, we now are at a place where really experienced musicians are no longer seen in the Top 40. The public really wants a fresh face. American Idol, Canadian Idol and programs like this have created an industry where the talent need not be that of experienced musicians. We now have very young and inexperienced people signing contracts who have never even taken a music lesson in their lives. Their knowledge is also deeply in question.
This has benefited record companies who no longer have to deal with strong-minded and experienced musicians who expect the appropriate pay and contracts for their services. Now, the record companies need not worry about such confrontations when it comes to signing their talent. When someone who is only 16 comes to the bargaining table, what kind of life-experience can they bring to that situation? Ultimately, the record companies can dictate the terms and the young person, generally naieve, will probably sign anyway. And get a raw deal, with promises of an amazing career. Somehow, believing that they will stay in the business longer than five minutes.
The public needs musical education and should expect changes in the music industry. This is what keeps popular music fresh and vital. Right now, we are seeing very little of this in an industry that no one longer values. Not even the record compaines themselves.
Though this is for the most part very unencyclopedic writting, it does bring up some points that could be expanded upon. So I am leaving it here and if I find some time or somebody else wants invest the time, we can use this to create a higher quality section of the negative aspects of rap. TimMony 17:37, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
hiphop used to bed much more focused on the mesage not like a 50 cent or ja rule fuck it up nowadays, hiphop until i would say 1997 was great, krs-one and the wu-tang-clan fro example had messages even gansgta rap made comments that wer actaul, sush as NWA's parental disrection advised. hiphop should focus more on the message cause when it's talklike music peoplec an understand it better so you better have something to say, nowadays it's all cars and girls, 50 cent for example isn't really hiphop he is just weak garbage of what hiphop can be - lil'boy
I removed this:
...this doesn't even make sense. Rapping by itself is just rhyming without any music or a beat. -- FuriousFreddy 3 July 2005 21:32 (UTC)
This move needs to happen, because people are mistakingly confusing this as the page for "rap music" which, again, is at hip hop music. -- FuriousFreddy 17:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
I have decided not to move this page, and record this as a "no consensus", seeing as there has been no discussion for a few weeks. --
Francs
2000
01:20, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Uh, Yes. We already said that.
YES.
Rapping was a term in popular use in the 1960s and 1970s, used synonymously with both casual, open-ended conversational dialogues (often called " rap sessions") and beat poetry. I wonder if, in fact, the initial use of the term by hip hop music artists reflected a recognition and extension of that previous common usage?
-- Markzero 12:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
You're right, I'll address this, right now.-- Urthogie 19:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
does someone have a source on run DMC being the FIRST group in rap-rock? cus im pretty sure they were just the first ones to be noticed for it- after all, from what ive read from bambataa, punks and new wavers were bringing their music to the clubs in the inner city all the time.
also, wasn't there someone(was it ice-t) who did some first ever collab with the rock/metal group, anthrax? just want to make sure this is all sourced...im hoping to get this article featured eventually if we work it up!
Uh..Its definitely relevant to this article because of the following: "Rapping is one of the four elements of hip hop: MCing (rapping), DJing (mixing, cutting and scratching), graffiti (tagging), and breakdancing. However, in the course of rap's history, new musical styles developed that use rapping - especially rapcore, also known as rap/rock or rap/metal, first introduced by crossover pioneer Run-DMC's collaboration with Aerosmith in 1986. Some alternative rap has musically very little to do with mainstream hip hop music. Often consisting of bizarre soundscapes and vivid lyrics, abstract hip-hop has developed, largely in the underground." Urthogie 03:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't we create a page devoted to hip hop production, yknow the part of hip hop that focuses on the beat only, not the raps, or the djing techniques of turntablism? If we're gonna have a page like this focused on the history and techniques of rapping, why not of beat production as well.
As a sidenote, I was wondering if youre an emcee, or dj, or whatever in real life, and if so, where you representin. peace, -- Urthogie 03:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe that just like rapping, the beat production of hip hop should have its own place away from the main Hip-Hop article. It only follows to give as much value to intricacies of beat production as it does to rapping. The reason i was thinking this is because in doing this article(rapping) we found that the rapping and hip hop articles overlap a lot, which allowed us to sort out certain things from this article...i was thinking the same could be accomplished by sorting out the things not related to scratching, and spinning records from the DJing article. Also, leaving the music production aspects of hip-hop to rest on the shoulders of turntablism would be asking too much of that article. turntablism is actually more of a movement in Hip-Hop to bring the focus back on the DJ. While it is heavily focused to Hip-Hop production, it is not synonymous with it.
On a personal note, Im an MC in my junior year of high school in the boring midwest(im going overseas soon fortunately). Am I right to say youre producing Hip-Hop? If so, I was wondering if you could tell me what's the main focus locally over there, or if any new artists are popping up out of the area?
-- Urthogie 05:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
When we say "add sources", we mean the way you would for a professional paper. See Wikipedia: Cite your sources. -- FuriousFreddy 21:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
-- FuriousFreddy 21:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Id like you to please cite the rule which says not to categorize things in both categories. From what I understood, theoretically and logistically, it made sense to add rapping the category of hip-hop(which i created). I capitalize hip-hop because I refer to it as a culture, but Im okay with doing this the way you want to, cus its not a big point to me. I will do the sources at some point, I just did them like this as a temporary solution Urthogie
-- FuriousFreddy 07:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
In that case I am opposed to our current category for aspects of hip hop culture. It's a given that the things in Hip-Hop will be related to Hip-Hop culture in one way or another. Not to mention that any article such as Rapping which is about one of the central elements of Hip-Hop makes it explicit in the article itself. What do you think of that category? -- Urthogie 14:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, and I think that the current organization is counterintuitive. An accessible, logical organization would show rapping and the other elements right away. Not to mention, why is rapping in the rapping category AND in the hip hop culture elements category.
Lemme elaborate: our current categories fit the rules of wikipedia, but that doesn't mean theyre accessible. One of the first things people want to see when they think of hip-hop is the page on rapping. and yet its in its own category. thats the equivalent of having an article on the white house, and having a separate category inside that for white house officials. People want to see President RIGHT AWAY! Same goes for rapping in the hip-hop category.-- Urthogie 19:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Another reason that was done is because people continuously mistake rapping as being an article on "rap music", and it needed to be made specifically clear that it is not. The article is perfectly accessible, as is Disc jockey, breakdancing, hip hop fashion, etc. from that category. There is no reason to recategorize. -- FuriousFreddy 22:04, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
" Outkast combined old school rapping with funk reminiscent of Earth Wind and Fire, while Eminem channelled the rage and angst of hard rock into melodic hip-hop songs featuring his tortured rants."
That's a POV claim, and very unencyclopedic considering its unsourced. If you can find a more reputable source to backup those claims(even though I agree with them, that doesn't mean their encyclopedic), we can put them in the article. Thanks, very much-- Urthogie 08:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Genre boxes (of the type that was previously in the upper right hand corner of the article) are only for articles about music genres. It doesn't belong here or at hip hop culture. -- FuriousFreddy 06:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I am converting the table of other genres that use hip hop into prose paragraphs, as prose is almost always preferable to lists for an encyclopedia article. -- FuriousFreddy 04:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed the Kid-n-Play picture, not because it's Kid-n-Play, but because it's a production still from Class Act. We need a picture of a rapper (don't care who, but I'd actually prefer it be a non-famous rapper or even just a photographic model) onstage wit ha microphone in their hands, looking like they are rapping. -- FuriousFreddy 06:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
What is the best way to link to media in this article?-- Urthogie 22:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Just in case anybody is wondering, I asked permission to use the SPM lyric:-- Urthogie 19:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
>From: "Anthony Monclova" <webmaster@dopehouserecords.com> >To: "'MYFULLNAME(privacy reasons)'" <MYEMAIL(to prevent spam harvesters from getting it)> >Subject: RE: permission to reprinthttp://by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?type=r&msg=0F92CA4F-4C2A-45A8-BB89-832B18568B18&start=0&len=2417&curmbox=00000000%2d0000%2d0000%2d0000%2d000000000001&a=ff515c8ee79f1fc325eb7f11cdb4b7fc09f1215450340d67824db29c670e5754# Send >Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:56:50 -0600 > >SPM Says: "Absolutely and thank you for thinking about us." >We don't see a problem that it is applied in that way. > >Regards, > >M. Anthony Monclova, WebMaster >Dope House Records >Ph: 713-862-4052 ext 16 >Fax: 713-862-1466 >Cell: 713-806-7674 >www.dopehouserecords.com >anthony@dopehouserecords.com > >ATTENTION! The information contained in this email may be CONFIDENTIAL and >PRIVILEGED. It is intended for the individual or entity named above. If you >are not the intended recipient, please be notified that any use, review, >distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have >received this email by error, please delete it and notify the sender >immediately. >Thank you. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: MYFULLNAME(privacy reasons) [mailto:MYEMAIL(to prevent spam harvesters from getting it)] >Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:24 AM >To: webmaster@dopehouserecords.com >Subject: permission to reprint > >Can I please have permission to reprint an excerpt of SPM's lyrics in an >encyclopedia article? It would be to show an example of complex rhyme >schemes. > >Thanks, > >--Urthogie
Is this a joke?!-- Greasysteve13 06:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Maybe the caption should be 'An Australian rap group on stage'? He does have a point that this does a huge amount of advertising for them. (this is the first search result for rapping, and up there with on a search for hip hop)-- Urthogie 11:43, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok. Check this out. I'm currently in the process of asking the BBC's permission to reprint that image of Will Smith aka the Fresh Prince. Looks very professional and much better than the current image(and no, im not favoring him over The Herd, its just that the image looks better).-- Urthogie 17:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Some choices:
Which ones do you guys like? I'll work on getting whatever you think looks best.-- Urthogie 10:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)