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The sentence, "However, it is an ordinary month for non-Muslims that live in the countries that use the Islamic calendar." seems a bit superflous to me. Perhaps it should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.43.234.160 ( talk) 02:15, 2005 December 24 (UTC)
Since ramadan is in fact not a holiday but just the month, why does this page exist? why is this information not on the same page as the other ramadan entry? i didnt see any discussion on the issue. it just doesnt make sense to me. Yung Wei 19:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
"Each year, Ramadan begins ten days earlier than in the previous year." How often have I heard that! But it's not true, as the table shows. Some years it occurs eleven days earlier than the previous year, and occasionally twelve. I'm hesitant to change the statement myself, considering that the cited source also makes the claim, but I find the inaccuracy unsettling. Unfree ( talk) 12:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
If it's 10 days earlier than the previous year, is it possible, that in one calendar year, there could be a start of Ramadan in January and December? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.35.159 ( talk) 01:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
what are the other ones?-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Does the claim that Ramadan is "the month in which the Qur'an was revealed." break NPOV? Shouldn't it be "the month in which, Muslims believe, the Qur'an was revealed." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.253.132 ( talk) 23:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Not sure if this even belongs in the event section, but if it's included it should at least be accurate. The war was not a comprehensive defeat of Egypt as previously stated. Eiad77 ( talk) 14:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
but with Egypt regaining foothold on the occupied land and an overall Egyptian political success? funny if that is a success i don't know what failure is....why does this sentance have to be there at all just link it to the yom kippur war page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.16.91 ( talk) 05:42, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
these are the signs which allah said ..mushrik use to ask type of questions so, brothers and sistersits written in quran so how much is provided u should follow that much only — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.97.116.100 ( talk) 18:14, 2012 August 2 (UTC)
honorific -Difference between Prophet Muhammed and Politicians (ie Thatcher)?
Why should Margaret Thatcher honorific have here honorific (Right Honourable) but not the prophet?
Furthermore, "Right Honorable" is a title for Margaret Thatcher, not just an honorific, and that title comes from her profession, like "Doctor" would. The fact that it happens to be in her infobox doesn't mean it belongs there, and doesn't imply anything about any other infobox. Muhammad had no title associated with his profession, no title during his lifetime except possibly "prophet". SAW and PBUH are not titles, they are honorifics, and we don't use honorifics.
end of cut and paste.
That is why I did the revert on August 18, 2012. Geraldshields11 ( talk) 20:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Sunrise to sunset can be very long in Northern parts of the world (even 24h, with midnight sun!), how do muslims living there typically cope with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.183.0.36 ( talk) 09:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
The article is missing both 1st (eg. Quran and Hadith) and 2nd-3rd level references. For example, in the first paragraph I've added the ambiguous phrase "according to common faith" for lack of a relevant reference. Also, referring to the homepage of the government of Pakistan (citation No. 6 in the current version of the article) is hardly specific enough for anything. François Robere ( talk) 03:58, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Both health and education issues have been criticized. Should be included. -- Rævhuld ( talk) 18:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
That is the basic needed to provide a ci and source. Until then you just might as well grab smoke and smear it on paper and call that your source. It is nit the reader's responsibility to justify your claims. WP needs a publication name and a page number. At resent that is lacking. the CI links back to a WP article. Again, it is not theresponsibility of the reader to determine wher your CI/source came from. PERIOD. All eleven times this is included in WP articles. 2605:E000:9149:8300:8C39:927C:54DA:93BC ( talk) 04:37, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I really don’t know all months island what I gonna do — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C46:4600:F98:1502:A7F4:65DC:5ED0 ( talk) 03:27, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
This section is confusing for a variety of reasons:
1. The hadith subject matter seems to contradict the common practice of saying "Ramadan Mubarak" and "Ramadan Kareem" mentioned in the other Ramadan page [1].
2. Additionally, there is a large corpus of hadith across other hadith books that simply state "Ramadan" instead of "the month of Ramadan." [2]
3. These hadith are considered weak [3] or daif [4].
A few additional notes:
Sunnah.com is an aggregator of hadith from a variety of hadith compilations. They're methodology and information can be found here [5].
I know YouTube is not an accepted resource, but I included it to show at least one well known Islamic scholar, Omar Suleiman [6] considers this hadith to be weak.
Weak hadith are not considered valid for use [7].
I am working on sourcing a copy of Al-Bayhaqi's Sunnan al-Kubra or a commentary on it to make up for the YouTube reference.
In the meantime, to prevent confusion during the upcoming month of Ramadan, could we temporarily remove this section?
I apologize for the formatting. This is my first time using a talk page. Aelarth ( talk) 17:28, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
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The sentence, "However, it is an ordinary month for non-Muslims that live in the countries that use the Islamic calendar." seems a bit superflous to me. Perhaps it should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.43.234.160 ( talk) 02:15, 2005 December 24 (UTC)
Since ramadan is in fact not a holiday but just the month, why does this page exist? why is this information not on the same page as the other ramadan entry? i didnt see any discussion on the issue. it just doesnt make sense to me. Yung Wei 19:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
"Each year, Ramadan begins ten days earlier than in the previous year." How often have I heard that! But it's not true, as the table shows. Some years it occurs eleven days earlier than the previous year, and occasionally twelve. I'm hesitant to change the statement myself, considering that the cited source also makes the claim, but I find the inaccuracy unsettling. Unfree ( talk) 12:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
If it's 10 days earlier than the previous year, is it possible, that in one calendar year, there could be a start of Ramadan in January and December? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.35.159 ( talk) 01:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
what are the other ones?-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Does the claim that Ramadan is "the month in which the Qur'an was revealed." break NPOV? Shouldn't it be "the month in which, Muslims believe, the Qur'an was revealed." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.253.132 ( talk) 23:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Not sure if this even belongs in the event section, but if it's included it should at least be accurate. The war was not a comprehensive defeat of Egypt as previously stated. Eiad77 ( talk) 14:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
but with Egypt regaining foothold on the occupied land and an overall Egyptian political success? funny if that is a success i don't know what failure is....why does this sentance have to be there at all just link it to the yom kippur war page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.16.91 ( talk) 05:42, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
these are the signs which allah said ..mushrik use to ask type of questions so, brothers and sistersits written in quran so how much is provided u should follow that much only — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.97.116.100 ( talk) 18:14, 2012 August 2 (UTC)
honorific -Difference between Prophet Muhammed and Politicians (ie Thatcher)?
Why should Margaret Thatcher honorific have here honorific (Right Honourable) but not the prophet?
Furthermore, "Right Honorable" is a title for Margaret Thatcher, not just an honorific, and that title comes from her profession, like "Doctor" would. The fact that it happens to be in her infobox doesn't mean it belongs there, and doesn't imply anything about any other infobox. Muhammad had no title associated with his profession, no title during his lifetime except possibly "prophet". SAW and PBUH are not titles, they are honorifics, and we don't use honorifics.
end of cut and paste.
That is why I did the revert on August 18, 2012. Geraldshields11 ( talk) 20:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Sunrise to sunset can be very long in Northern parts of the world (even 24h, with midnight sun!), how do muslims living there typically cope with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.183.0.36 ( talk) 09:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
The article is missing both 1st (eg. Quran and Hadith) and 2nd-3rd level references. For example, in the first paragraph I've added the ambiguous phrase "according to common faith" for lack of a relevant reference. Also, referring to the homepage of the government of Pakistan (citation No. 6 in the current version of the article) is hardly specific enough for anything. François Robere ( talk) 03:58, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Both health and education issues have been criticized. Should be included. -- Rævhuld ( talk) 18:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
That is the basic needed to provide a ci and source. Until then you just might as well grab smoke and smear it on paper and call that your source. It is nit the reader's responsibility to justify your claims. WP needs a publication name and a page number. At resent that is lacking. the CI links back to a WP article. Again, it is not theresponsibility of the reader to determine wher your CI/source came from. PERIOD. All eleven times this is included in WP articles. 2605:E000:9149:8300:8C39:927C:54DA:93BC ( talk) 04:37, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I really don’t know all months island what I gonna do — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C46:4600:F98:1502:A7F4:65DC:5ED0 ( talk) 03:27, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
This section is confusing for a variety of reasons:
1. The hadith subject matter seems to contradict the common practice of saying "Ramadan Mubarak" and "Ramadan Kareem" mentioned in the other Ramadan page [1].
2. Additionally, there is a large corpus of hadith across other hadith books that simply state "Ramadan" instead of "the month of Ramadan." [2]
3. These hadith are considered weak [3] or daif [4].
A few additional notes:
Sunnah.com is an aggregator of hadith from a variety of hadith compilations. They're methodology and information can be found here [5].
I know YouTube is not an accepted resource, but I included it to show at least one well known Islamic scholar, Omar Suleiman [6] considers this hadith to be weak.
Weak hadith are not considered valid for use [7].
I am working on sourcing a copy of Al-Bayhaqi's Sunnan al-Kubra or a commentary on it to make up for the YouTube reference.
In the meantime, to prevent confusion during the upcoming month of Ramadan, could we temporarily remove this section?
I apologize for the formatting. This is my first time using a talk page. Aelarth ( talk) 17:28, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
References