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He would probably say it doesn't matter, but different titles were added to his name. In 1981 when I heard him he was styled "Swami" but later, "Baba". The dates, origins and significance of these appelations would be interesting.-- Hugh7 ( talk) 08:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Raghvindra Das (Raghu Markus) of the Love Serve Remember Foundation ?
G. Robert Shiplett 12:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
While there is no problem mentioning that Ram Dass is a vegetarian, the current entry does not provide any context as to why that is significant, as many people are vegetarians and not particularly noteworthy. I would ask the author to elaborate in a manner suitable for an encyclopedia. For example, it is not even mentioned that most followers of the Hindu religion are vegetarian. Tachyon ( talk) 22:04, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
I see from IMDb that there were other people in the film as well. ( Martin | talk • contribs 03:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC))
In the lede it describes Be Here Now as "seminal" - a term of praise which sounds like WP:PEACOCK. I had previously rephrased the sentence to remove the word "seminal" and moved the references to the end of the sentence. User:Skyerise disagreed and reverted the sentence, saying in the comment that a properly cited acclaimation is not WP:PEACOCK. It seems to me that if sources X and Y praise the book as seminal, the article should say that the book was praised by X and Y as seminal, rather than claiming it as seminal. Consider the example paragraphs about Bob Dylan in WP:PEACOCK - the Peacock example uses words of praise such as "defining" and "brilliant", while the "Just the facts" version lists (with citations) what others have said about Bob Dylan. As it stands, the article is making a value statement about the book (that it is seminal) rather than adopting a neutral view of what has been said about the book. Autarch ( talk) 19:12, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
and helped popularize Eastern spirituality and yoga with the baby boomer generation in the West, does this well, and makes the entire "seminal" thing unnecessary. This, in turn, should be a summary a larger account in the body of the article, which in my view is currently not clearly expressed or clearly sourced. Popcornfud ( talk) 21:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Feel free to add to the article. But remember that there's just two of us here and you have no consensus for removals. Skyerise ( talk) 22:00, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
The whle page is uncritical and reads like hagiography - but the worst thing is the barely concealed advert at the end calling for financial support for Ram Dass. This may be a fine thing and great cause but surely this does not belong here. 2A01:CB18:8296:BB00:226:BBFF:FE18:843A ( talk) 11:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
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Why is "Hanuman Foundation" done as a link when it just redirects back to here?
It's link 'status' should be removed. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 03:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
The article, based on this
[1] source, is saying Alpert had a bar mitzvah but was "disappointed by its essential hollowness".
This
[2] source says My Jewish trip was primarily political Judaism, I mean I was never Bar Mitzvahed, confirmed, and so on.
Bus stop (
talk) 17:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Does the wording in the lead around "best-selling" and "seminal" pose WP:PEACOCK problems? Popcornfud ( talk) 22:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
The religionandspirituality.com source about the alleged Bar Mitzvah is not WP:RS. It says:
Notice that he is quoting someone, not Ram Dass, who is neither identified or cited. All we know here is that Ram Dass never said this, someone (maybe) said this about him. Unless you can find the source of this quotation, it's just hearsay and not WP:RS.
On the other hand, Ram Dass himself wrote "My Jewish trip was primarily political Judaism, I mean I was never Bar Mitzvahed, confirmed, and so on." Given an unsourced, unattributed quote vs Ram Dass' own statement, we assume his statement is true unless better sources (such as the rabbi or someone who attended the alleged bar mitzvah), we go with Ram Dass' own statement. Skyerise ( talk) 14:30, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
If he said different during an interview later in life, then we need to quote and cite the original publication of the interview, note the date and/or his age at the time of the interview, and present it as "Later in life, in x at the age of y, he said..." We should not use a summary of another writer's quotation of the alleged statement as a source. Skyerise ( talk) 14:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
I noticed an academic article is cited stating the Ram Dass is "a guru of modern yoga." I can't access the article so can't confirm, but I've read a lot of Ram Dass's work and he's always made a point of saying that he is NOT a guru. Can anyone confirm what the article actually says? HappyWanderer15 ( talk) 21:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
in this section:
In 1971, Richard Alpert traveled back to the United States to share his knowledge. He left the LSD bottle to Bhagavan Das with 53 more pills: his psychedelic phase ended there and his spiritual phase was initiated. Ram Dass also corresponded with Indian spiritual teacher Meher Baba and mentioned Baba in several of his books.
id like to make two edits but id greatly appreciate comment from others before doing so.
any comments appreciated. thank you!
Uhhhum (
talk) 20:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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He would probably say it doesn't matter, but different titles were added to his name. In 1981 when I heard him he was styled "Swami" but later, "Baba". The dates, origins and significance of these appelations would be interesting.-- Hugh7 ( talk) 08:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Raghvindra Das (Raghu Markus) of the Love Serve Remember Foundation ?
G. Robert Shiplett 12:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
While there is no problem mentioning that Ram Dass is a vegetarian, the current entry does not provide any context as to why that is significant, as many people are vegetarians and not particularly noteworthy. I would ask the author to elaborate in a manner suitable for an encyclopedia. For example, it is not even mentioned that most followers of the Hindu religion are vegetarian. Tachyon ( talk) 22:04, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
I see from IMDb that there were other people in the film as well. ( Martin | talk • contribs 03:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC))
In the lede it describes Be Here Now as "seminal" - a term of praise which sounds like WP:PEACOCK. I had previously rephrased the sentence to remove the word "seminal" and moved the references to the end of the sentence. User:Skyerise disagreed and reverted the sentence, saying in the comment that a properly cited acclaimation is not WP:PEACOCK. It seems to me that if sources X and Y praise the book as seminal, the article should say that the book was praised by X and Y as seminal, rather than claiming it as seminal. Consider the example paragraphs about Bob Dylan in WP:PEACOCK - the Peacock example uses words of praise such as "defining" and "brilliant", while the "Just the facts" version lists (with citations) what others have said about Bob Dylan. As it stands, the article is making a value statement about the book (that it is seminal) rather than adopting a neutral view of what has been said about the book. Autarch ( talk) 19:12, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
and helped popularize Eastern spirituality and yoga with the baby boomer generation in the West, does this well, and makes the entire "seminal" thing unnecessary. This, in turn, should be a summary a larger account in the body of the article, which in my view is currently not clearly expressed or clearly sourced. Popcornfud ( talk) 21:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Feel free to add to the article. But remember that there's just two of us here and you have no consensus for removals. Skyerise ( talk) 22:00, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
The whle page is uncritical and reads like hagiography - but the worst thing is the barely concealed advert at the end calling for financial support for Ram Dass. This may be a fine thing and great cause but surely this does not belong here. 2A01:CB18:8296:BB00:226:BBFF:FE18:843A ( talk) 11:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
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Why is "Hanuman Foundation" done as a link when it just redirects back to here?
It's link 'status' should be removed. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 03:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
The article, based on this
[1] source, is saying Alpert had a bar mitzvah but was "disappointed by its essential hollowness".
This
[2] source says My Jewish trip was primarily political Judaism, I mean I was never Bar Mitzvahed, confirmed, and so on.
Bus stop (
talk) 17:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Does the wording in the lead around "best-selling" and "seminal" pose WP:PEACOCK problems? Popcornfud ( talk) 22:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
The religionandspirituality.com source about the alleged Bar Mitzvah is not WP:RS. It says:
Notice that he is quoting someone, not Ram Dass, who is neither identified or cited. All we know here is that Ram Dass never said this, someone (maybe) said this about him. Unless you can find the source of this quotation, it's just hearsay and not WP:RS.
On the other hand, Ram Dass himself wrote "My Jewish trip was primarily political Judaism, I mean I was never Bar Mitzvahed, confirmed, and so on." Given an unsourced, unattributed quote vs Ram Dass' own statement, we assume his statement is true unless better sources (such as the rabbi or someone who attended the alleged bar mitzvah), we go with Ram Dass' own statement. Skyerise ( talk) 14:30, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
If he said different during an interview later in life, then we need to quote and cite the original publication of the interview, note the date and/or his age at the time of the interview, and present it as "Later in life, in x at the age of y, he said..." We should not use a summary of another writer's quotation of the alleged statement as a source. Skyerise ( talk) 14:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
I noticed an academic article is cited stating the Ram Dass is "a guru of modern yoga." I can't access the article so can't confirm, but I've read a lot of Ram Dass's work and he's always made a point of saying that he is NOT a guru. Can anyone confirm what the article actually says? HappyWanderer15 ( talk) 21:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
in this section:
In 1971, Richard Alpert traveled back to the United States to share his knowledge. He left the LSD bottle to Bhagavan Das with 53 more pills: his psychedelic phase ended there and his spiritual phase was initiated. Ram Dass also corresponded with Indian spiritual teacher Meher Baba and mentioned Baba in several of his books.
id like to make two edits but id greatly appreciate comment from others before doing so.
any comments appreciated. thank you!
Uhhhum (
talk) 20:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)