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The Fundación Ramón Rivero, which I preside, would like the article on Ramón Rivero (Diplo) to be locked so no unauthorized persons add information that is irrelevant or worse, defamatory. This has happened in the past and it is a lot of trouble to constantly having to check the article for accuracy.
As it stands, most of the information in the article is straight from the official Ramón Rivero site (www.diplo.org) and we have checked its contents for accuracy.
We would like to thank Tony the Marine in particular for keeping this article in place.
Joseph Orbi President Fundación Ramón Rivero, Inc. -- Mcquicker ( talk) 21:49, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
As per the above statement the editor that made it has declared his COI and his edits should go through an edit request I believe. Dom from Paris ( talk) 17:39, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
--Ramon Rivero is a national hero in Puerto Rico and to Puerto Ricans all over the world. On his death in 1956, Puerto Rico observed a 2 week national mourning. It has a 20ft statue, theaters, streets and the national TV and Radio stations named after him. He is considered the most influential and important actor/comedian in the history of the island. Please see www.diplo.org. Ramon Rivero, DIPLO is considered the Chaplin of Puerto Rico and like Chaplin, the greatest comedian in the history of Puerto Rico for his creativity, variety and reach. In our page, www.diplo.org anyone can read homage by other artists, famous puerto rican authors and celebrities to Ramon Rivero. It is difficult to historical importance to Puerto Rico unless you are from Puerto Rican heritage. Yes, we are close to the subject and because of that, we at the Fundacion Ramon Rivero have the facts to prove it. Again, see www.diplo.org and DiploDice on Youtube.
--- Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia. As a historian, I can give you countless examples of Wikipedia pages full of inaccuracies. Wikipedia's goals are commendable, but it's very premise allows it to be a platform for people to spread disinformation. I have no need or the time to debate issues with people like you, who, with all due respect, know absolutely nothing about Ramon Rivero DIPLO. In the past, Wikipedia has been used to include insulting information about Ramon Rivero DIPLO, and frankly, just the time we spend every day trying to keep facts straight, is a waste of our resources. I am very grateful to Tony for doing his absolutely best to keep the Ramon Rivero DIPLO page online. But, we prefer that the page be taken down.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcquicker ( talk • contribs) 12:54, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
--I am a historian. For example, I know more about Leonardo da Vinci than most people after spending 30 doing research on the artist. Yet, I find his page in Wikipedia fraught with errors and hearsay. The historical information I found on Leonardo is easily accessible, yet, Wikipedia spreads the nonsense that Leonardo invented this or that, or that he is considered one of the greatest artists that ever lived, although Leonardo is responsible for about 15 paintings and a mural, a third of them unfinished.
As Dr. Owen Gingerich from Harvard points out, Leonardo never invented anything. Yet, Wikipedia editors seem to pick on easy targets like like Ramon Rivero, instead of Leonardo da Vinci (for example) because that would require real research. Sorry, but I really don't care about an outlet that allows disinformation to spread. I am sure you don't read Spanish, because you have no idea what you're stating when you mention that "it is hard to think/believe..." when pointing out information about Ramon Rivero. Let me be clear. It is much more credible for Ramon Rivero DIPLO to be a national hero, than it is for Leonardo da Vinci to invent the helicopter or the tank. (For your information, not that you care one way or the other, many of da Vinci's "weapons" he plagiarized from a book by Roberto Valturio (1405-1475).
But getting back to Ramon Rivero DIPLO, from what I gather, your point is that because a person is personally associated with a historical figure like Ramon Rivero DIPLO, his/her information is biased? It is people with first hand knowledge of facts and people that offer the best historical reference to those who are no longer alive. Every one else speculates. Why, I for instance, did not rely on much on what has been written about Leonardo but instead, went to the source itself -- Leonardo wrote copious notes about many things, most reflecting the disorganized inaccuracies of a restless mind, inaccuracies that keep disseminating through the wonderful mechanisms of Wikipedia.
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The Fundación Ramón Rivero, which I preside, would like the article on Ramón Rivero (Diplo) to be locked so no unauthorized persons add information that is irrelevant or worse, defamatory. This has happened in the past and it is a lot of trouble to constantly having to check the article for accuracy.
As it stands, most of the information in the article is straight from the official Ramón Rivero site (www.diplo.org) and we have checked its contents for accuracy.
We would like to thank Tony the Marine in particular for keeping this article in place.
Joseph Orbi President Fundación Ramón Rivero, Inc. -- Mcquicker ( talk) 21:49, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
As per the above statement the editor that made it has declared his COI and his edits should go through an edit request I believe. Dom from Paris ( talk) 17:39, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
--Ramon Rivero is a national hero in Puerto Rico and to Puerto Ricans all over the world. On his death in 1956, Puerto Rico observed a 2 week national mourning. It has a 20ft statue, theaters, streets and the national TV and Radio stations named after him. He is considered the most influential and important actor/comedian in the history of the island. Please see www.diplo.org. Ramon Rivero, DIPLO is considered the Chaplin of Puerto Rico and like Chaplin, the greatest comedian in the history of Puerto Rico for his creativity, variety and reach. In our page, www.diplo.org anyone can read homage by other artists, famous puerto rican authors and celebrities to Ramon Rivero. It is difficult to historical importance to Puerto Rico unless you are from Puerto Rican heritage. Yes, we are close to the subject and because of that, we at the Fundacion Ramon Rivero have the facts to prove it. Again, see www.diplo.org and DiploDice on Youtube.
--- Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia. As a historian, I can give you countless examples of Wikipedia pages full of inaccuracies. Wikipedia's goals are commendable, but it's very premise allows it to be a platform for people to spread disinformation. I have no need or the time to debate issues with people like you, who, with all due respect, know absolutely nothing about Ramon Rivero DIPLO. In the past, Wikipedia has been used to include insulting information about Ramon Rivero DIPLO, and frankly, just the time we spend every day trying to keep facts straight, is a waste of our resources. I am very grateful to Tony for doing his absolutely best to keep the Ramon Rivero DIPLO page online. But, we prefer that the page be taken down.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcquicker ( talk • contribs) 12:54, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
--I am a historian. For example, I know more about Leonardo da Vinci than most people after spending 30 doing research on the artist. Yet, I find his page in Wikipedia fraught with errors and hearsay. The historical information I found on Leonardo is easily accessible, yet, Wikipedia spreads the nonsense that Leonardo invented this or that, or that he is considered one of the greatest artists that ever lived, although Leonardo is responsible for about 15 paintings and a mural, a third of them unfinished.
As Dr. Owen Gingerich from Harvard points out, Leonardo never invented anything. Yet, Wikipedia editors seem to pick on easy targets like like Ramon Rivero, instead of Leonardo da Vinci (for example) because that would require real research. Sorry, but I really don't care about an outlet that allows disinformation to spread. I am sure you don't read Spanish, because you have no idea what you're stating when you mention that "it is hard to think/believe..." when pointing out information about Ramon Rivero. Let me be clear. It is much more credible for Ramon Rivero DIPLO to be a national hero, than it is for Leonardo da Vinci to invent the helicopter or the tank. (For your information, not that you care one way or the other, many of da Vinci's "weapons" he plagiarized from a book by Roberto Valturio (1405-1475).
But getting back to Ramon Rivero DIPLO, from what I gather, your point is that because a person is personally associated with a historical figure like Ramon Rivero DIPLO, his/her information is biased? It is people with first hand knowledge of facts and people that offer the best historical reference to those who are no longer alive. Every one else speculates. Why, I for instance, did not rely on much on what has been written about Leonardo but instead, went to the source itself -- Leonardo wrote copious notes about many things, most reflecting the disorganized inaccuracies of a restless mind, inaccuracies that keep disseminating through the wonderful mechanisms of Wikipedia.
---a — Preceding
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Mcquicker (
talk •
contribs)
15:54, 15 May 2018 (UTC)