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in lieu of 'raised fist', a more commonly used term for the image/icon/visual-meme would be Power Fist.
and YES, Black Fist & White fist should be merged into subsections of Power Fist
The articles Black fist, Red fist, and White fist are all closeley related, and small enough to be merged into this article as sections. Their current pages can be replaced with redirects. 97.77.49.174 ( talk) 22:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I could be mistaken, but isn't raised fist a much more common term than clenched fist when refering to this salute? Perhaps move it to raised fist again. The Ungovernable Force 08:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree Immanuel goldstein 09:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Clenched fist → Raised fist — " Raised fist" is a much more common term than " clenched fist" for the leftist salute the article is about. Further, a fist is, by definition, clenched. "Clenched fist" is a redundant term and rarer than "raised fist". Switch 11:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, there seems to be a pretty clear consensus to move. I'll request a move then, I guess? 100% support seems like a clear result to me. - Switch 17:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
This article isn't about raised fists in general, it's about a salute. So shouldn't the title be "raised fist salute"? Tom 129.93.17.68 —Preceding comment was added at 20:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
"The use of the clenched fist [as a threat to punch someone] is not part of Arab culture. In fact it is alien to most cultures except in certain parts of the Far East. [...] The closed-fist punch is very much a West Mediterranean and particularly Anglo-Saxon tradition."
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When returning to the USA from evacuating Vietnam I saw my father in the crowd awaiting us. I gave the raised fist salute and he, a WW2 veteran, returned it immediately.
During parades nowadays and back in "the days" of yore I frequently saw current and ex-military (veterans) "salute" each other using the upraised clench fist.
It appears to be most readily used by blue-collar "working class" folks while those higher up the socio-economic ladder, whether veterans or not, do not appear to use it often.
I am surprised at the lack of mention of my multitude of observations over the decades within this Wiki entry. Obbop ( talk) 15:47, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
-I am surprised in determining whether raised, power, left, right, fist, solute, there is no mention of researching historical use and significance (except brief Greek ref). When I say historical, I'm not talking 1970s. I'm talking about the era of the rise of communism in China, and communism and socialism in Europe. The raised, clenched fist has come back into fashion recently (2016), used by young feminists and wannabe socialists (including U.S.) who have no idea how much blood was shed and oppression occurred under this symbol. To not inform them in this place of all places is a grave disservice and rewrite of history. This is the first time I've posted in Wiki and don't know how it's done, but here is my user name db4635 and date March 2019. Db4635 ( talk) 14:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
The Brown Berets also use the raised fist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuntman crow ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
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Back in 1971 I was one of very few 'Gringos" who was invited and attended a Brown Beret cell meeting. It was the "old" Brown Berets the FBI attempted to infiltrate with varying levels of success.
Not surprising since the violent take-over of the southwest USA was discussed along with using demographics, the continued invasion of the USA by multi-millions of ahem... "undocumented immigrants," etc.
Assisted via political correctness, the desire of many of the USA ruling elite and much of corporate USA the demographic takeover is succeeding.
I witnessed the use of the raised fist among the Brown berets at that meeting nad elsewhere Obbop ( talk) 15:53, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Is there a difference between a left and right hand salute? The October Revolution poster shows the guy raising his right hand. How can a communist poster use the right hand fist salute? Someone with experience, please explain for the rest of us. Thanks! USchick ( talk) 13:17, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
It has some sourced material but generally has a disputable narrative - a pastiche of unconnected sources. I particularly tagged the "left fist only" stuff for anarchists and Trotskyistes because it seems more like an urban legend or a localized occurrence rather than a real thing - seen plenty of people from plenty of movements use the left fist. Need to source those and rework section to have a more encyclopedic and less anecdotal narrative. -- Cerejota ( talk) 01:17, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Why do people keep reverting my edit to add the Unicode symbol ✊ to the article? It's literally in the Unicode standard as "Raised fist". See https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+270A - Hyperlynx2 ( talk) 03:17, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
In Greek mythology, the Rod of Asclepius ( Greek: Ράβδος του Ασκληπιού, Rábdos tou Asklipioú; Unicode symbol: ⚕), [1].
The raised fist, or the clenched fist, (Unicode symbol: ✊ [2]), is a symbol of solidarity and support. [3] It is also used as a salute to express unity, strength, defiance, or resistance.
References
The history section currently is a single block, which other editors and myself have attempted to mold into a coherent narrative of the gesture/symbol's history. However, I could see the value in subdividing it into sections on distinct eras: possible origins, official symbol (ie German Communist Party, Spanish Civil War), and Black Power movement. This would give the reader a clearer picture at-a-glance and make the article more readable, but may inadvertently suggest that these usages evolved independently.
Alternatively, there is some value in discussing the use of the fist as a gesture vs a symbol. This would require additional sourcing beyond what we have now, and is made difficult by the transfer of one to the other and back again -- which is why I recommend against it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philipthesnowman ( talk • contribs) 19:48, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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In many photos, Trump is using the power fist but this use case is missing and I’m wondering if there’s a reason for that? Lameige ( talk) 00:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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in lieu of 'raised fist', a more commonly used term for the image/icon/visual-meme would be Power Fist.
and YES, Black Fist & White fist should be merged into subsections of Power Fist
The articles Black fist, Red fist, and White fist are all closeley related, and small enough to be merged into this article as sections. Their current pages can be replaced with redirects. 97.77.49.174 ( talk) 22:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I could be mistaken, but isn't raised fist a much more common term than clenched fist when refering to this salute? Perhaps move it to raised fist again. The Ungovernable Force 08:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree Immanuel goldstein 09:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Clenched fist → Raised fist — " Raised fist" is a much more common term than " clenched fist" for the leftist salute the article is about. Further, a fist is, by definition, clenched. "Clenched fist" is a redundant term and rarer than "raised fist". Switch 11:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, there seems to be a pretty clear consensus to move. I'll request a move then, I guess? 100% support seems like a clear result to me. - Switch 17:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
This article isn't about raised fists in general, it's about a salute. So shouldn't the title be "raised fist salute"? Tom 129.93.17.68 —Preceding comment was added at 20:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
"The use of the clenched fist [as a threat to punch someone] is not part of Arab culture. In fact it is alien to most cultures except in certain parts of the Far East. [...] The closed-fist punch is very much a West Mediterranean and particularly Anglo-Saxon tradition."
____________________________________________________________________
When returning to the USA from evacuating Vietnam I saw my father in the crowd awaiting us. I gave the raised fist salute and he, a WW2 veteran, returned it immediately.
During parades nowadays and back in "the days" of yore I frequently saw current and ex-military (veterans) "salute" each other using the upraised clench fist.
It appears to be most readily used by blue-collar "working class" folks while those higher up the socio-economic ladder, whether veterans or not, do not appear to use it often.
I am surprised at the lack of mention of my multitude of observations over the decades within this Wiki entry. Obbop ( talk) 15:47, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
-I am surprised in determining whether raised, power, left, right, fist, solute, there is no mention of researching historical use and significance (except brief Greek ref). When I say historical, I'm not talking 1970s. I'm talking about the era of the rise of communism in China, and communism and socialism in Europe. The raised, clenched fist has come back into fashion recently (2016), used by young feminists and wannabe socialists (including U.S.) who have no idea how much blood was shed and oppression occurred under this symbol. To not inform them in this place of all places is a grave disservice and rewrite of history. This is the first time I've posted in Wiki and don't know how it's done, but here is my user name db4635 and date March 2019. Db4635 ( talk) 14:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
The Brown Berets also use the raised fist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuntman crow ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
_______________________________________________________________
Back in 1971 I was one of very few 'Gringos" who was invited and attended a Brown Beret cell meeting. It was the "old" Brown Berets the FBI attempted to infiltrate with varying levels of success.
Not surprising since the violent take-over of the southwest USA was discussed along with using demographics, the continued invasion of the USA by multi-millions of ahem... "undocumented immigrants," etc.
Assisted via political correctness, the desire of many of the USA ruling elite and much of corporate USA the demographic takeover is succeeding.
I witnessed the use of the raised fist among the Brown berets at that meeting nad elsewhere Obbop ( talk) 15:53, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Is there a difference between a left and right hand salute? The October Revolution poster shows the guy raising his right hand. How can a communist poster use the right hand fist salute? Someone with experience, please explain for the rest of us. Thanks! USchick ( talk) 13:17, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
It has some sourced material but generally has a disputable narrative - a pastiche of unconnected sources. I particularly tagged the "left fist only" stuff for anarchists and Trotskyistes because it seems more like an urban legend or a localized occurrence rather than a real thing - seen plenty of people from plenty of movements use the left fist. Need to source those and rework section to have a more encyclopedic and less anecdotal narrative. -- Cerejota ( talk) 01:17, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Why do people keep reverting my edit to add the Unicode symbol ✊ to the article? It's literally in the Unicode standard as "Raised fist". See https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+270A - Hyperlynx2 ( talk) 03:17, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
In Greek mythology, the Rod of Asclepius ( Greek: Ράβδος του Ασκληπιού, Rábdos tou Asklipioú; Unicode symbol: ⚕), [1].
The raised fist, or the clenched fist, (Unicode symbol: ✊ [2]), is a symbol of solidarity and support. [3] It is also used as a salute to express unity, strength, defiance, or resistance.
References
The history section currently is a single block, which other editors and myself have attempted to mold into a coherent narrative of the gesture/symbol's history. However, I could see the value in subdividing it into sections on distinct eras: possible origins, official symbol (ie German Communist Party, Spanish Civil War), and Black Power movement. This would give the reader a clearer picture at-a-glance and make the article more readable, but may inadvertently suggest that these usages evolved independently.
Alternatively, there is some value in discussing the use of the fist as a gesture vs a symbol. This would require additional sourcing beyond what we have now, and is made difficult by the transfer of one to the other and back again -- which is why I recommend against it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philipthesnowman ( talk • contribs) 19:48, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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Steel1943 (
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08:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
In many photos, Trump is using the power fist but this use case is missing and I’m wondering if there’s a reason for that? Lameige ( talk) 00:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)