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Much of this article appears to be plagiarized from http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2934 JnB987 22:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
The article should be moved to an article about Bob Dylan's song Rainy Day Women in my opinion. Any thoughts?-- CountCrazy007 04:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
" Phil Spector also implies, in the book, that Dylan was inspired to write the song after he and Spector heard it on a juke-box in a coffee shop in Los Angeles and were both "surprised to hear a song that free, that explicit"."
Why would he write a song after he heard it on a jukebox. Doesn't that imply someone else wrote the song and published it first, and he made a cover of the song?
First off, it may be the only song with a full brass band but it's not the only song on the album with brass. "Most likely you'll go your way and I'll go mine" also more subtley uses brass. Also, I remember reading in the VH1 100 Greatest Albums book that musicians were reportedly moved around to play unfamiliar instruments, creating the loose sound the song is known for. Anyone know if that's true?
Glassbreaker5791 ( talk) 21:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
This sounds like a casual description rather than a formal one. 169.233.58.87 ( talk) 01:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the song is titled "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35"? What does the title mean?
If it's known--and it's not just Mr. D being deliberately obscure and impenetrable (never!)--I think that would be worth mentioning. Everyone knows the song as "Everybody Must Get Stoned", and I can never remember just which rainy day women he's singing about... -- Narsil ( talk) 05:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
LF - Rainy Day Women refers to the Book of Proverbs where it says the continual dropping of water on a very rainy day is like a constantly complaining woman. The song is about being constantly criticized no matter what you do. The word "stone" refers to Muslim style stonings, or Biblical style stonings, and has nothing to do with drugs or alcohol. They stoned Rosa Parks for trying to keep her seat on a bus. They stoned Dylan for playing his electric guitar when what they wanted was folk guitar, as he used to play, and they considered him a traitor to be playing rock and roll rather than folk. I don't know what the 12 and 35 are about. A rainy day woman, here, is a nagging and criticizing woman who just never stops, like the rain on a rainy day. Lfbno7 ( talk) 09:34, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
The account on alcohol and marijuana use at the "Rainy Day" recording session does not conform with the source (Sounes's Down the Highway) on much of what's said:
Based on this, I plan to re-write the section. I'll defer, however, to anyone who has other sources to fill in what Sounes leaves up in the air. Allreet ( talk) 05:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
12 x 35 = 420. This had to have been intentional. Jackass2009 ( talk) 05:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Except that the song was recorded four years before the first 420 marijuana reference in 1970. Ajericn 09:49, 23 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajericn ( talk • contribs)
I have just removed the following, and bears similarity in melody and rhythm to the German drinking song, "Wer Soll Das Bezahlen". on the grounds that it wasn't referenced, that the chances of one song not being "similar" to another song is highly unlikely, so unless there is a reference that Dylan based his song on another, it is really highly circumstantial and non-notable. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 19:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Version 685885702 says: '(This anecdote may be questioned because the Ray Charles song was released in April 1966, after "Rainy Day Women" was recorded.)' Though the song Let's Go Get Stoned was released as a single in April 1966, it first appeared in Charles's album Crying Time, which was released in January or February 1966. Spector and Dylan could therefore have heard it before the recording of Rainy Day Women ♯12 & 35. Sbp ( talk) 17:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Question: Do you ever worry that people interpreted your work in misguided ways? For example, some people still see "Rainy Day Women" as coded about getting high.
Answer: It doesn't surprise me that some people would see it that way. But these are people that aren't familiar with the Book of Acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.226.180.193 ( talk) 15:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
BennyOnTheLoose has improved this article thru sterling work. I’ve made some subsequent edits and here are some points to discuss:
Thanks, Mick gold ( talk) 16:06, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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Hello Benny & Mick: I'll review this. On first reading, it's interesting and checks all the boxes. I might be busy for the next couple of days, but I'll get to it soon. — Ojorojo ( talk) 16:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
"Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" (sometimes referred to erroneously as "Everybody Must Get Stoned") is a song written and recorded by American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan. Columbia Records first released an edited version as a single in March 1966, which reached numbers two and seven in the US and UK charts respectively. A longer version appears as the opening track of Dylan's seventh studio album, Blonde on Blonde (1966), and has been included on several compilation albums.
"Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" was recorded in one take in Columbia's Nashville, Tennessee, studio with session musicians. The track was produced by Bob Johnston and features a raucous brass band accompaniment. There has been much debate over both the meaning of the title and of the recurrent chorus, "Everybody must get stoned". Consequently, it became controversial, with some commentators labeling it as "a drug song". The song received acclaim from music critics, several of whom highlighted the playful nature of the track. Over the years, it became one of Dylan's most performed concert pieces, sometimes with variations in the arrangement.
I usually do a little at a time and your feedback is helpful to see if we're heading in the same direction. — Ojorojo ( talk) 16:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
"Alpha, Bravo,{{nbsp}}... Zulu"
Also, I've been advised in reviews that ellipses at the beginning and the end aren't needed except for special cases, but don't have a MOS link for this."They'll stone ya when...). BennyOnTheLoose ( talk) 17:57, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
BennyOnTheLoose I'll give you a chance to address the comments so far before I add more. — Ojorojo ( talk) 15:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
I'll finish reviewing your changes, the refs, and lead tomorrow. — Ojorojo ( talk) 18:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
See discussion above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rqb4b68Lk
Could someone who knows the skill of editing Wikipedia add the 1930 song Bob Dylan was referencing The Rheumatism Blues / Gene Autry (Blues Singer 1929-1931 "Booger Rooger Saturday Nite")? Htrowsle ( talk) 09:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus was met to move to the other proposed title Rainy Day Women Nos. 12 & 35. ( non-admin closure) Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 19:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Rainy Day Women ♯12 & 35 → Rainy Day Women – or Rainy Day Women Nos. 12 & 35. The current article title is clearly not the song's title and is (very) difficult to type (if you can even figure out what the symbol is, which is not likely). At least two of the cited sources ( Billboard and RPM 100) just call it " Rainy Day Women", which is more WP:CONCISE and already redirects here. Alternatively, the "#" could be represented by "Nos", as The Official Charts did. Either of those seems better than poorly imitating the visual appearance of the number sign in the title using a sharp symbol. The short form would revert a bold move of 17 July 2007 by a user who was blocked for vandalizing WP:AIV and then stopped editing in 2009. They did not provide an edit summary to explain their rationale for renaming the page to a longer title. — BarrelProof ( talk) 14:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
the sharp sign ♯ (different from the keyboard # character) can be used, as in C♯ (musical note). The sharp sign is a sufficient alternative to the number sign; it is also used at ♯P (and its related articles ♯P-complete and ♯P-completeness of 01-permanent).
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Much of this article appears to be plagiarized from http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2934 JnB987 22:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
The article should be moved to an article about Bob Dylan's song Rainy Day Women in my opinion. Any thoughts?-- CountCrazy007 04:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
" Phil Spector also implies, in the book, that Dylan was inspired to write the song after he and Spector heard it on a juke-box in a coffee shop in Los Angeles and were both "surprised to hear a song that free, that explicit"."
Why would he write a song after he heard it on a jukebox. Doesn't that imply someone else wrote the song and published it first, and he made a cover of the song?
First off, it may be the only song with a full brass band but it's not the only song on the album with brass. "Most likely you'll go your way and I'll go mine" also more subtley uses brass. Also, I remember reading in the VH1 100 Greatest Albums book that musicians were reportedly moved around to play unfamiliar instruments, creating the loose sound the song is known for. Anyone know if that's true?
Glassbreaker5791 ( talk) 21:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
This sounds like a casual description rather than a formal one. 169.233.58.87 ( talk) 01:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the song is titled "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35"? What does the title mean?
If it's known--and it's not just Mr. D being deliberately obscure and impenetrable (never!)--I think that would be worth mentioning. Everyone knows the song as "Everybody Must Get Stoned", and I can never remember just which rainy day women he's singing about... -- Narsil ( talk) 05:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
LF - Rainy Day Women refers to the Book of Proverbs where it says the continual dropping of water on a very rainy day is like a constantly complaining woman. The song is about being constantly criticized no matter what you do. The word "stone" refers to Muslim style stonings, or Biblical style stonings, and has nothing to do with drugs or alcohol. They stoned Rosa Parks for trying to keep her seat on a bus. They stoned Dylan for playing his electric guitar when what they wanted was folk guitar, as he used to play, and they considered him a traitor to be playing rock and roll rather than folk. I don't know what the 12 and 35 are about. A rainy day woman, here, is a nagging and criticizing woman who just never stops, like the rain on a rainy day. Lfbno7 ( talk) 09:34, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
The account on alcohol and marijuana use at the "Rainy Day" recording session does not conform with the source (Sounes's Down the Highway) on much of what's said:
Based on this, I plan to re-write the section. I'll defer, however, to anyone who has other sources to fill in what Sounes leaves up in the air. Allreet ( talk) 05:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
12 x 35 = 420. This had to have been intentional. Jackass2009 ( talk) 05:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Except that the song was recorded four years before the first 420 marijuana reference in 1970. Ajericn 09:49, 23 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajericn ( talk • contribs)
I have just removed the following, and bears similarity in melody and rhythm to the German drinking song, "Wer Soll Das Bezahlen". on the grounds that it wasn't referenced, that the chances of one song not being "similar" to another song is highly unlikely, so unless there is a reference that Dylan based his song on another, it is really highly circumstantial and non-notable. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 19:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Version 685885702 says: '(This anecdote may be questioned because the Ray Charles song was released in April 1966, after "Rainy Day Women" was recorded.)' Though the song Let's Go Get Stoned was released as a single in April 1966, it first appeared in Charles's album Crying Time, which was released in January or February 1966. Spector and Dylan could therefore have heard it before the recording of Rainy Day Women ♯12 & 35. Sbp ( talk) 17:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Question: Do you ever worry that people interpreted your work in misguided ways? For example, some people still see "Rainy Day Women" as coded about getting high.
Answer: It doesn't surprise me that some people would see it that way. But these are people that aren't familiar with the Book of Acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.226.180.193 ( talk) 15:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
BennyOnTheLoose has improved this article thru sterling work. I’ve made some subsequent edits and here are some points to discuss:
Thanks, Mick gold ( talk) 16:06, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Ojorojo ( talk · contribs) 16:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello Benny & Mick: I'll review this. On first reading, it's interesting and checks all the boxes. I might be busy for the next couple of days, but I'll get to it soon. — Ojorojo ( talk) 16:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
"Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" (sometimes referred to erroneously as "Everybody Must Get Stoned") is a song written and recorded by American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan. Columbia Records first released an edited version as a single in March 1966, which reached numbers two and seven in the US and UK charts respectively. A longer version appears as the opening track of Dylan's seventh studio album, Blonde on Blonde (1966), and has been included on several compilation albums.
"Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" was recorded in one take in Columbia's Nashville, Tennessee, studio with session musicians. The track was produced by Bob Johnston and features a raucous brass band accompaniment. There has been much debate over both the meaning of the title and of the recurrent chorus, "Everybody must get stoned". Consequently, it became controversial, with some commentators labeling it as "a drug song". The song received acclaim from music critics, several of whom highlighted the playful nature of the track. Over the years, it became one of Dylan's most performed concert pieces, sometimes with variations in the arrangement.
I usually do a little at a time and your feedback is helpful to see if we're heading in the same direction. — Ojorojo ( talk) 16:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
"Alpha, Bravo,{{nbsp}}... Zulu"
Also, I've been advised in reviews that ellipses at the beginning and the end aren't needed except for special cases, but don't have a MOS link for this."They'll stone ya when...). BennyOnTheLoose ( talk) 17:57, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
BennyOnTheLoose I'll give you a chance to address the comments so far before I add more. — Ojorojo ( talk) 15:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
I'll finish reviewing your changes, the refs, and lead tomorrow. — Ojorojo ( talk) 18:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
See discussion above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rqb4b68Lk
Could someone who knows the skill of editing Wikipedia add the 1930 song Bob Dylan was referencing The Rheumatism Blues / Gene Autry (Blues Singer 1929-1931 "Booger Rooger Saturday Nite")? Htrowsle ( talk) 09:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus was met to move to the other proposed title Rainy Day Women Nos. 12 & 35. ( non-admin closure) Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 19:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Rainy Day Women ♯12 & 35 → Rainy Day Women – or Rainy Day Women Nos. 12 & 35. The current article title is clearly not the song's title and is (very) difficult to type (if you can even figure out what the symbol is, which is not likely). At least two of the cited sources ( Billboard and RPM 100) just call it " Rainy Day Women", which is more WP:CONCISE and already redirects here. Alternatively, the "#" could be represented by "Nos", as The Official Charts did. Either of those seems better than poorly imitating the visual appearance of the number sign in the title using a sharp symbol. The short form would revert a bold move of 17 July 2007 by a user who was blocked for vandalizing WP:AIV and then stopped editing in 2009. They did not provide an edit summary to explain their rationale for renaming the page to a longer title. — BarrelProof ( talk) 14:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
the sharp sign ♯ (different from the keyboard # character) can be used, as in C♯ (musical note). The sharp sign is a sufficient alternative to the number sign; it is also used at ♯P (and its related articles ♯P-complete and ♯P-completeness of 01-permanent).