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The claim of 17 Indians dead in the attack is highly dubious. Mounted Plains Indians hardly ever suffered heavy casualties by persistent and direct attacks on an opponent, especially an unimportant one such as the Godfrey Ranch. The tale of 17 Indians killed sounds like a massive exaggeration to me. Smallchief ( talk) 09:18, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Smallchief and Bulls123, I edited the 4-17 killed into 3-17 killed, since as rule of casualties, its always between the smallest recorded number to the highest recorded number that is always written. I also want to add that the 17 killed came from an interview of Private Mccallister who was one of the cvalrymen who went to relieve Godfrey's ranch from the Native Americans in The South Platte Trail, which was a prominent newspaper during the Colorado War. 49.147.167.32 ( talk) 09:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
I own the book on George Bent and there was no mention of the Godfrey ranch in there. So I do not know why it was even used as a source here other than trying to prove an assumption of this whole casualty debate. I agree that of it being used to describe the background of the conflict, but other than that its whole usage is weird and unnecessary. To Smallchief, I am not trying to contest whether the whole "Holon killed 17 Indians" is real or not. But if you want to prove that this is false, then use an actual book or source that tries to debunk it. Here in Wikipedia, we add information based on the consensus and publications of historians and experts, not based on our own research or readings, even if it sounds strange and false to us (See: Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth).
That being said, I do want to give you a tip when it comes to history. It doesn't mean that one source doesn't mention it, doesn't mean that it does not exist, especially since other sources are present. By that logic, you might as well say that Jesus Christ, Muhammad, or Sun Tzu did not exist since no contemporary sources during their time mentioned them. ChrisGultieri ( talk) 04:12, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The claim of 17 Indians dead in the attack is highly dubious. Mounted Plains Indians hardly ever suffered heavy casualties by persistent and direct attacks on an opponent, especially an unimportant one such as the Godfrey Ranch. The tale of 17 Indians killed sounds like a massive exaggeration to me. Smallchief ( talk) 09:18, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Smallchief and Bulls123, I edited the 4-17 killed into 3-17 killed, since as rule of casualties, its always between the smallest recorded number to the highest recorded number that is always written. I also want to add that the 17 killed came from an interview of Private Mccallister who was one of the cvalrymen who went to relieve Godfrey's ranch from the Native Americans in The South Platte Trail, which was a prominent newspaper during the Colorado War. 49.147.167.32 ( talk) 09:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
I own the book on George Bent and there was no mention of the Godfrey ranch in there. So I do not know why it was even used as a source here other than trying to prove an assumption of this whole casualty debate. I agree that of it being used to describe the background of the conflict, but other than that its whole usage is weird and unnecessary. To Smallchief, I am not trying to contest whether the whole "Holon killed 17 Indians" is real or not. But if you want to prove that this is false, then use an actual book or source that tries to debunk it. Here in Wikipedia, we add information based on the consensus and publications of historians and experts, not based on our own research or readings, even if it sounds strange and false to us (See: Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth).
That being said, I do want to give you a tip when it comes to history. It doesn't mean that one source doesn't mention it, doesn't mean that it does not exist, especially since other sources are present. By that logic, you might as well say that Jesus Christ, Muhammad, or Sun Tzu did not exist since no contemporary sources during their time mentioned them. ChrisGultieri ( talk) 04:12, 29 November 2021 (UTC)