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Can you please place this article on ragging in the section called 'abuse'? I created this page some days ago. thanks !!!!! sachin
This article needs a lot of help, especially in the NPOV area. Firstly, all the sources come from some sort of "anti-ragging" group, which is clearly reflected in the persuasive tone of the article. Secondly, it seems the article should be modified to a larger, worldwide view. Currently, it looks like it's primarily Indian-influenced. 67.142.130.38 10:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)JSto
Why is the Supreme Court definition not appearing in full?
Why is the Supreme Court definition not appearing in full?
This article cites references to media reports, court orders and research reports. What else is required to remove the "unverified claims" tag?
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This article seems to be (mis)used by some group or organization. Most of the references and links are directed to one particular website and its subpages - www.noragging.com/
Most likely reason - site promtion & increasing their site ranking.
The links are being replaced very fast, likely by the group, as they are being removed.
It seems personal ideas, thoughts and concepts have been attempted to be inserted in the encyclopedia. The statistics and other things mentioned in the article (likely from their own homepage) appear to be invalid.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.194.88 ( talk)
Not at all the same. Fagging in the UK is being a servant (akin to a batman) to a more senior student. It may well involve abuse, but it's not the same as hazing or ragging, which is entirely for the purpose of abuse. Gordonofcartoon 19:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
What on earth does that mean? The only reference Google finds to this term is this Wikipedia article, suggesting it is not a very well-known term. 217.155.138.250 ( talk) 14:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Google certainly finds more than one, rather many references. These include this one as well as the websites of several Anti Ragging Groups and of an Anti Ragging NGO (non profit).
It also lists countless news items (Indian) for "ragging", which clearly proves the severity of ragging in India.
You may try Google India http://www.google.co.in/
"Ragging" is a widely known term and is known to EVERY Indian who has entered a college in some time during his/her life. It means several millions of people.
But it is a fact the Anti Ragging Movement is in its infancy in India. -- Dr.Che ( talk) 02:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Is "ragging" the Indian-English term for " bullying"? That is the impression I get from the article.
Perhaps it can be merged into that article? -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 04:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
No, ragging is different from bullying in the following ways: 1. Bullying usually involves a single perpetrator and a single victim, whereas ragging almost always involves a group of perpetrators and a group of victims. 2. Ragging is recognised as a crime and is punishable(atleast in India) whereas bullying is not a crime (as in US or UK laws) and usually goes unpunished. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vbnjkl ( talk • contribs) 09:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it is almost so. It is an evil practice "ritualized" in many institutions.
-- Dr.Che ( talk) 02:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I don't think merging the article Ragging in Sri Lanka into Ragging is necessary because it reflects some unique features of Sri Lankan ragging. But I think you could clearly develop the article Ragging because it lacks a worldwide view on the subject as well as some other essential sections. But merging the above specified article is not a solution to that! Astronomyinertia ( talk) 06:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
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I propose that Ragging be merged into Hazing. I think that the content in the Ragging article can easily be explained in the context of Hazing, and the Hazing article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Ragging will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. AtlasDuane ( talk) 16:11, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Bonadea: And I did find one, a story called, Scott's sister: A Public School Story" by PG Wodehouse from the 1924 Greyfriars Holiday Annual. It is about cricket. "Rag" and "ragging" are being used in it in the sense of "pulling someone's leg" or "playing a prank on someone." Here is an example, and I'll stop, after that, in case I get accused of turning this into a chat room:
“ | "Look here, Venables," he said, " I'll start by saying I'm not ragging, or you might have your doubts. I want you to put me on to-morrow when Scott comes in. Whoever's bowling, take him off and give me an over. I shall only want one. If I can't get him in that I sha'n't get him at all."
" Have you developed a new ball ?" inquired Venables. It was Charteris' habit to announce every other day that he had developed anew ball. "Don't rag," said Charteris earnestly. "I'm quite serious. I mean it. ... |
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More than likely, it might even be on the internet. Thanks again. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:36, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
It is proposed, per discussion above, and consensus in Talk:Ragging_in_India#Merge_with_Hazing.3F, that the pages Ragging in India and Ragging in Sri Lanka (and any other country-specific ragging pages) be merged into Ragging. It is felt that "Ragging," as a "practice of ritually humiliating new army recruits or university students by physical or verbal bullying" (OED) does not vary so much across the countries of South Asia and elsewhere as to warrant country-specific pages. Also, as the pages Ragging in India and Ragging in Sri Lanka are in need of some improvement, and Ragging is mostly a stub, it is further felt that merging the articles into one will make the task of improvement easier. Some of the history of the term and the practice, as outlined above in some discussions, can perhaps be more reliably added to the page. Please comment below. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 11:38, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
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Please consider incorporating material from the above draft submission into this article. Drafts are eligible for deletion after 6 months of inactivity. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:47, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
I believe I already did move the material from that draft into this article on Ragging. It is there under the header "legislation". Kkavita ( talk) 20:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
The sexual abuse section is really really terribly written. It quotes Quora of all things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WolframaticAlpha ( talk • contribs) 17:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Can you please place this article on ragging in the section called 'abuse'? I created this page some days ago. thanks !!!!! sachin
This article needs a lot of help, especially in the NPOV area. Firstly, all the sources come from some sort of "anti-ragging" group, which is clearly reflected in the persuasive tone of the article. Secondly, it seems the article should be modified to a larger, worldwide view. Currently, it looks like it's primarily Indian-influenced. 67.142.130.38 10:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)JSto
Why is the Supreme Court definition not appearing in full?
Why is the Supreme Court definition not appearing in full?
This article cites references to media reports, court orders and research reports. What else is required to remove the "unverified claims" tag?
Mohrahit 16:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
This article seems to be (mis)used by some group or organization. Most of the references and links are directed to one particular website and its subpages - www.noragging.com/
Most likely reason - site promtion & increasing their site ranking.
The links are being replaced very fast, likely by the group, as they are being removed.
It seems personal ideas, thoughts and concepts have been attempted to be inserted in the encyclopedia. The statistics and other things mentioned in the article (likely from their own homepage) appear to be invalid.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.194.88 ( talk)
Not at all the same. Fagging in the UK is being a servant (akin to a batman) to a more senior student. It may well involve abuse, but it's not the same as hazing or ragging, which is entirely for the purpose of abuse. Gordonofcartoon 19:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
What on earth does that mean? The only reference Google finds to this term is this Wikipedia article, suggesting it is not a very well-known term. 217.155.138.250 ( talk) 14:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Google certainly finds more than one, rather many references. These include this one as well as the websites of several Anti Ragging Groups and of an Anti Ragging NGO (non profit).
It also lists countless news items (Indian) for "ragging", which clearly proves the severity of ragging in India.
You may try Google India http://www.google.co.in/
"Ragging" is a widely known term and is known to EVERY Indian who has entered a college in some time during his/her life. It means several millions of people.
But it is a fact the Anti Ragging Movement is in its infancy in India. -- Dr.Che ( talk) 02:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Is "ragging" the Indian-English term for " bullying"? That is the impression I get from the article.
Perhaps it can be merged into that article? -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 04:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
No, ragging is different from bullying in the following ways: 1. Bullying usually involves a single perpetrator and a single victim, whereas ragging almost always involves a group of perpetrators and a group of victims. 2. Ragging is recognised as a crime and is punishable(atleast in India) whereas bullying is not a crime (as in US or UK laws) and usually goes unpunished. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vbnjkl ( talk • contribs) 09:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it is almost so. It is an evil practice "ritualized" in many institutions.
-- Dr.Che ( talk) 02:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I don't think merging the article Ragging in Sri Lanka into Ragging is necessary because it reflects some unique features of Sri Lankan ragging. But I think you could clearly develop the article Ragging because it lacks a worldwide view on the subject as well as some other essential sections. But merging the above specified article is not a solution to that! Astronomyinertia ( talk) 06:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
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I propose that Ragging be merged into Hazing. I think that the content in the Ragging article can easily be explained in the context of Hazing, and the Hazing article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Ragging will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. AtlasDuane ( talk) 16:11, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Bonadea: And I did find one, a story called, Scott's sister: A Public School Story" by PG Wodehouse from the 1924 Greyfriars Holiday Annual. It is about cricket. "Rag" and "ragging" are being used in it in the sense of "pulling someone's leg" or "playing a prank on someone." Here is an example, and I'll stop, after that, in case I get accused of turning this into a chat room:
“ | "Look here, Venables," he said, " I'll start by saying I'm not ragging, or you might have your doubts. I want you to put me on to-morrow when Scott comes in. Whoever's bowling, take him off and give me an over. I shall only want one. If I can't get him in that I sha'n't get him at all."
" Have you developed a new ball ?" inquired Venables. It was Charteris' habit to announce every other day that he had developed anew ball. "Don't rag," said Charteris earnestly. "I'm quite serious. I mean it. ... |
” |
More than likely, it might even be on the internet. Thanks again. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:36, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
It is proposed, per discussion above, and consensus in Talk:Ragging_in_India#Merge_with_Hazing.3F, that the pages Ragging in India and Ragging in Sri Lanka (and any other country-specific ragging pages) be merged into Ragging. It is felt that "Ragging," as a "practice of ritually humiliating new army recruits or university students by physical or verbal bullying" (OED) does not vary so much across the countries of South Asia and elsewhere as to warrant country-specific pages. Also, as the pages Ragging in India and Ragging in Sri Lanka are in need of some improvement, and Ragging is mostly a stub, it is further felt that merging the articles into one will make the task of improvement easier. Some of the history of the term and the practice, as outlined above in some discussions, can perhaps be more reliably added to the page. Please comment below. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 11:38, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
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I believe I already did move the material from that draft into this article on Ragging. It is there under the header "legislation". Kkavita ( talk) 20:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
The sexual abuse section is really really terribly written. It quotes Quora of all things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WolframaticAlpha ( talk • contribs) 17:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)