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Who gets attacked by squirrels...come on?-- Trickse 20:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I fixed some of the problems in this article, but it is still extremely crufty, non-NPOV, and full of other stylistic problems. I've also changed much of the punctuation to comply with Wikipedia:Style guide, especially in regards to quotation marks. - Porlob 20:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
As Trickse pointed out, this article is a bit silly. This article is about a comedy / satirical group, but such comments are not appropriate on Wikipedia (save for in a quotations section). I'm going to add an "inappropriate tone" tag. -- 67.182.231.23 16:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
That was surreal: hopping in the car this morning to hear myself described as a "hater" and an "asshat." I'm a HUGE fan of the show, the only commercial radio program I listen to. I absolutely believe this article should exist, and support its further development. As I mentioned above, most of the changes I made were grammar fixes. This is not a criticism of Atropos, but just me trying to fix what I see as opportunities to improve the article. I used the term cruft, which maybe is a little unfair, but I do think there are some issues with the article. Others may have different opinions, which is not only okay, it's GREAT. Indeed, some of the content that I thought was unnecessary, others thought was important and added back in with just a few clicks. That's the beauty of Wikipedia: no one person has control over an article.
One thing that I think could use improvement is the lack of cited sources. I have no doubt that most of the information on the article is accurate, but nothing is stopping someone from adding in that, say, "Kerry was born in Latvia and received the Purple Heart in the Vietnam War." If there are no sources cited, its hard to distinguish true information from misleading statements. That's kind of a tricky move for an article about a radio show, but where possible, we should add in citations. Atropos has been keeping a blog of the show, so that is actually simplified a LOT. Lets throw in some citations to the blog (for those new to Wikipeida, see Wikipedia:Citing sources to see how), and other media references to the show, such as the recent Salt Lake Tribune article.
I wholeheartedly second Bill's call to arms for fans of the show to come here and participate in the discussion and article. I hope I'm not REALLY an asshat! :) Good luck everyone! - Porlob 14:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it interesting that most people just don't get it. Why does there have to be one way to approach the world? Life? War's begin as arguments and the need to be right. An open mind coupled with the willingness to see things as they are and not as we were programed and the honesty to see the real truth about ourselves. This what I have learned and appreciated from my friends Kerry, Bill and occasionally Gina and that is what they are about. It has been stated that the opposite of Courage is..................................................................................................... wait for it ...............................................................................................................................................................................Conformity!!!!!! Get real and honest with yourself. Think! For God's sake and your own. ........... Madd Mexx. Bwaaaaahahahahahha! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madd Mexx ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey all, I've removed the tag that this does not meet wikipedia's quality standards as I (and am assuming others) are working to improve the page. I'll be adding a bunch of links as I find them and have generally tried to re-write the article to be more in line with wikipedia's "standards."
Personally, I liked the "Atropos" version of the page before, but if the gauntlet has been thrown down...
Furthermore, the idea that this page is crufty is ridiculous! The show is the most popular in a key demo in a major market, so a discussion even of the minutia of their content is not only justified, but warranted.
Some might say The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are as equally unimportant-- they are incredibly popular amongst a small group of people-- but you don't see the "Cruft" label heaved around those pages.
Whillice
05:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC) Whillice the NYC FOP formerly of Utah County
I'm going to stop working on this article. I set out to make a few standard cleanup and stylistic changes to this article, and I find it ridiculous that I and others face public ridicule through popular media for this. I'd like to invite other people to edit this page, but I'd like to remind you to pay attention to this talk page and work based on expressed consensus, not just your own opinion. My choice to make edits to this page while not logged in has been interfered with, despite being a cardinal right of wikipedia that users are allowed to make anonymous edits, and some of my edits (namely the addition of the Inappropriate Tone flag) has been reverted several times despite an expressed consensus on this talk page that they are valid. So: do what you want. I'll be back after the dust settles, and everyone is done obeying the commands of radio show hosts to fight these 'bad' edits while they brag about how unique and individualistic they are. -- Mike 00:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I've added some "citation needed" tags. These are some items that need referencing so everything is nice and kosher as far as verifiability. With the quotes, are any of these on the blog? A quick link over there and all is well!
A quick question, though: The article states that "when Kerry Jackson and Bill Allred moved to the station, Gina Barberi was added to the morning show, and the show was renamed to its current 'Radio From Hell'." If memory serves correctly, Gina wasn't part of RFH originally, but Jimmy Chunga was a third wheel until he went off to KENZ. I vaguely remember Gina doing a late late night show and was later added to RFH when Jimmy Chunga left... Is my memory playing tricks on me? Someone with a little more knowledge should expand that section as appropriate.
Ritchie's age was listed as 22... But I was in high school with him which should make him about 26. I've changed it to 26 with a "verification needed" tag.
I kind of think that many of my issues with the article would be fixed if instead of having one giant RFH article, we incorporated parts of it into individual articles for Bill Allred, Kerry Jackson, and Gina Barberi. Some of the biographical information would seem more at home on an individual article than here. The aforementioned Jimmy Chunga has his own (awful) article. Shouldn't they? Comments anyone? - Porlob 15:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Made one today while customizing my own profile...enjoy. {{ User:UBX/user Radio From Hell}}
R.F.H. | This user can't stop listening to Gina's whining. |
Shadowkhas 05:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed this article has a lot of formatting problems that aren't consistent with the Manual of Style, and theres a lot of problems with the tone of the article. I'm going to add a couple of tags to the page to invite some cleanup work, and start on some of my own cleanup work to get this article up to par. I invite your help and suggestions! -- 76.23.0.191 10:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Can I ask for some specific examples of problems in the article? AtroposTheRandom 02:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Squirrels again? I don't get that.
For what it's worth, I tried to make the most "factual" parts of this article verifiable. The history is well-annotated. Anyhow, much of the article is basically self-reported. I think these are allowed per WP:SELFPUB, given that much of the article is culled from reliable third-party claims. If the squirrels are so contentious, maybe we should look for third-party verification, and we might have to trim some of it, but the article doesn't look bad to me overall. Please tag the problems so that they can be fixed. Cool Hand Luke (friend of the program in exile) 05:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to start a massive reoorganization and rewrite to try to take into account both sides of this controversy. If you really dislike any of the changes I make, well, Be Bold and revert! But, please tell me on here what you disliked so I can continue to improve the article without treading on too many toes. -- Mike 21:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Jeff Vice no longer does the movie reviews on RFH. Sean Means has been returned to that slot. 09:20, 27 May 2014 (EDT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.126.139 ( talk)
I have re-removed the full text of the email. This is a text written by someone else, and unless he or she expressly releases it into the public domain (or a similar license), it is copyrighted and may not be reproduced here. It is not because the email is sent to your radio program that you hold the rights to it in any way, only the original author does, even if she implicitly or directly gave you the right to use it in yuor show. Please check our WP:COPYRIGHT page for more about this. The same goes for e.g. the liner notes on the CD, which I'll remove now as well (I had missed them previously): the right to print them in the CD booklet does not give you or anyone the right to publish them on Wikipedia without the permission of the authors. I doubt that these texts should be included even with such permission, but that is another discussion. Fram 09:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't there a section about the Traffic Sign-offs? This has been a big part of the show for many years.
Radio From Hell has occasionally stirred up controversy with their, generally speaking, pro-gay rights, pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-adult-living, anti-Iraq-war, and anti-authoritarian viewpoints.
What does "Pro-adult-living" mean? Nik42 ( talk) 03:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello Yeah What is another feature that is missing. Doooomster ( talk) 03:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
To the extent there is any verifiable content in Geek Show Podcast--a podcast with a per-episode listenership of 19,000--it likely belongs in a subsection of this article. THF ( talk) 00:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
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Who gets attacked by squirrels...come on?-- Trickse 20:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I fixed some of the problems in this article, but it is still extremely crufty, non-NPOV, and full of other stylistic problems. I've also changed much of the punctuation to comply with Wikipedia:Style guide, especially in regards to quotation marks. - Porlob 20:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
As Trickse pointed out, this article is a bit silly. This article is about a comedy / satirical group, but such comments are not appropriate on Wikipedia (save for in a quotations section). I'm going to add an "inappropriate tone" tag. -- 67.182.231.23 16:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
That was surreal: hopping in the car this morning to hear myself described as a "hater" and an "asshat." I'm a HUGE fan of the show, the only commercial radio program I listen to. I absolutely believe this article should exist, and support its further development. As I mentioned above, most of the changes I made were grammar fixes. This is not a criticism of Atropos, but just me trying to fix what I see as opportunities to improve the article. I used the term cruft, which maybe is a little unfair, but I do think there are some issues with the article. Others may have different opinions, which is not only okay, it's GREAT. Indeed, some of the content that I thought was unnecessary, others thought was important and added back in with just a few clicks. That's the beauty of Wikipedia: no one person has control over an article.
One thing that I think could use improvement is the lack of cited sources. I have no doubt that most of the information on the article is accurate, but nothing is stopping someone from adding in that, say, "Kerry was born in Latvia and received the Purple Heart in the Vietnam War." If there are no sources cited, its hard to distinguish true information from misleading statements. That's kind of a tricky move for an article about a radio show, but where possible, we should add in citations. Atropos has been keeping a blog of the show, so that is actually simplified a LOT. Lets throw in some citations to the blog (for those new to Wikipeida, see Wikipedia:Citing sources to see how), and other media references to the show, such as the recent Salt Lake Tribune article.
I wholeheartedly second Bill's call to arms for fans of the show to come here and participate in the discussion and article. I hope I'm not REALLY an asshat! :) Good luck everyone! - Porlob 14:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it interesting that most people just don't get it. Why does there have to be one way to approach the world? Life? War's begin as arguments and the need to be right. An open mind coupled with the willingness to see things as they are and not as we were programed and the honesty to see the real truth about ourselves. This what I have learned and appreciated from my friends Kerry, Bill and occasionally Gina and that is what they are about. It has been stated that the opposite of Courage is..................................................................................................... wait for it ...............................................................................................................................................................................Conformity!!!!!! Get real and honest with yourself. Think! For God's sake and your own. ........... Madd Mexx. Bwaaaaahahahahahha! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madd Mexx ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey all, I've removed the tag that this does not meet wikipedia's quality standards as I (and am assuming others) are working to improve the page. I'll be adding a bunch of links as I find them and have generally tried to re-write the article to be more in line with wikipedia's "standards."
Personally, I liked the "Atropos" version of the page before, but if the gauntlet has been thrown down...
Furthermore, the idea that this page is crufty is ridiculous! The show is the most popular in a key demo in a major market, so a discussion even of the minutia of their content is not only justified, but warranted.
Some might say The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are as equally unimportant-- they are incredibly popular amongst a small group of people-- but you don't see the "Cruft" label heaved around those pages.
Whillice
05:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC) Whillice the NYC FOP formerly of Utah County
I'm going to stop working on this article. I set out to make a few standard cleanup and stylistic changes to this article, and I find it ridiculous that I and others face public ridicule through popular media for this. I'd like to invite other people to edit this page, but I'd like to remind you to pay attention to this talk page and work based on expressed consensus, not just your own opinion. My choice to make edits to this page while not logged in has been interfered with, despite being a cardinal right of wikipedia that users are allowed to make anonymous edits, and some of my edits (namely the addition of the Inappropriate Tone flag) has been reverted several times despite an expressed consensus on this talk page that they are valid. So: do what you want. I'll be back after the dust settles, and everyone is done obeying the commands of radio show hosts to fight these 'bad' edits while they brag about how unique and individualistic they are. -- Mike 00:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I've added some "citation needed" tags. These are some items that need referencing so everything is nice and kosher as far as verifiability. With the quotes, are any of these on the blog? A quick link over there and all is well!
A quick question, though: The article states that "when Kerry Jackson and Bill Allred moved to the station, Gina Barberi was added to the morning show, and the show was renamed to its current 'Radio From Hell'." If memory serves correctly, Gina wasn't part of RFH originally, but Jimmy Chunga was a third wheel until he went off to KENZ. I vaguely remember Gina doing a late late night show and was later added to RFH when Jimmy Chunga left... Is my memory playing tricks on me? Someone with a little more knowledge should expand that section as appropriate.
Ritchie's age was listed as 22... But I was in high school with him which should make him about 26. I've changed it to 26 with a "verification needed" tag.
I kind of think that many of my issues with the article would be fixed if instead of having one giant RFH article, we incorporated parts of it into individual articles for Bill Allred, Kerry Jackson, and Gina Barberi. Some of the biographical information would seem more at home on an individual article than here. The aforementioned Jimmy Chunga has his own (awful) article. Shouldn't they? Comments anyone? - Porlob 15:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Made one today while customizing my own profile...enjoy. {{ User:UBX/user Radio From Hell}}
R.F.H. | This user can't stop listening to Gina's whining. |
Shadowkhas 05:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed this article has a lot of formatting problems that aren't consistent with the Manual of Style, and theres a lot of problems with the tone of the article. I'm going to add a couple of tags to the page to invite some cleanup work, and start on some of my own cleanup work to get this article up to par. I invite your help and suggestions! -- 76.23.0.191 10:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Can I ask for some specific examples of problems in the article? AtroposTheRandom 02:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Squirrels again? I don't get that.
For what it's worth, I tried to make the most "factual" parts of this article verifiable. The history is well-annotated. Anyhow, much of the article is basically self-reported. I think these are allowed per WP:SELFPUB, given that much of the article is culled from reliable third-party claims. If the squirrels are so contentious, maybe we should look for third-party verification, and we might have to trim some of it, but the article doesn't look bad to me overall. Please tag the problems so that they can be fixed. Cool Hand Luke (friend of the program in exile) 05:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to start a massive reoorganization and rewrite to try to take into account both sides of this controversy. If you really dislike any of the changes I make, well, Be Bold and revert! But, please tell me on here what you disliked so I can continue to improve the article without treading on too many toes. -- Mike 21:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Jeff Vice no longer does the movie reviews on RFH. Sean Means has been returned to that slot. 09:20, 27 May 2014 (EDT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.126.139 ( talk)
I have re-removed the full text of the email. This is a text written by someone else, and unless he or she expressly releases it into the public domain (or a similar license), it is copyrighted and may not be reproduced here. It is not because the email is sent to your radio program that you hold the rights to it in any way, only the original author does, even if she implicitly or directly gave you the right to use it in yuor show. Please check our WP:COPYRIGHT page for more about this. The same goes for e.g. the liner notes on the CD, which I'll remove now as well (I had missed them previously): the right to print them in the CD booklet does not give you or anyone the right to publish them on Wikipedia without the permission of the authors. I doubt that these texts should be included even with such permission, but that is another discussion. Fram 09:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't there a section about the Traffic Sign-offs? This has been a big part of the show for many years.
Radio From Hell has occasionally stirred up controversy with their, generally speaking, pro-gay rights, pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-adult-living, anti-Iraq-war, and anti-authoritarian viewpoints.
What does "Pro-adult-living" mean? Nik42 ( talk) 03:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello Yeah What is another feature that is missing. Doooomster ( talk) 03:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
To the extent there is any verifiable content in Geek Show Podcast--a podcast with a per-episode listenership of 19,000--it likely belongs in a subsection of this article. THF ( talk) 00:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
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