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![]() | On 11 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Raidió Teilifís Éireann to RTÉ. The result of the discussion was moved. |
According to RTÉ's website, its name is Radio Telifís Éireann, not Radió Telifís Éireann. I checked with someone I know in there and they said the same. It is perfectly possible that in correct gaelic it should be radió. However what is correct gaelic isn't always the version used. (As with the hideous Lána Bus nonsense!) Whatever about the correct language, the correct name has no fada on the 'o'. FearÉIREANN 19:22 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)
The "correct Gaelic" is, in any case, neither radio nor radió, but raidió. RTÉ, though does indeed stand for Radio Telefís Éireann. -- 81.132.170.159 23:46, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Recently re-raised at Talk:Irish words used in the English language. Djegan 00:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have requested a citation for "Raidió Teilifís Éireann" and one is required. The Annual Report 2006 [1] and act of Oireachtas [2] use the version as per the article title, viz, "Radio Telefís Éireann". Citations please or uncited material maybe removed at any time, WP:VERIFY. Djegan 22:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
If folks want to keep a unofficial version of name then citations please to show it has validility. Not word games with what is required. Any resonable student of Irish knows the official name is not modern standardised spelling, but we are not here to provide alternative valid spellings as in a high school essay or five minute triva in Irish class, rather this is a professional encyclopedia. Citations please, uncited material maybe removed at any time. Djegan 06:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
To complicate this, the Broadcasting Bill published today will, when enacted change the name to "Radio Teilifís Éireann", changing Telefís but leaving Radio intact! -- Rdd ( talk) 18:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
According to today's Irish Times the spelling has been changed to Raidió Teilifís Éireann by the Broadcasting Act 2009. Can we move the article now? Ian Cheese ( talk) 01:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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What exactly does: "Seo Radio 2RN Baile Atha Cliath ag tastail" translate to (and how do you pronounce it)? Meanwhile, here are some other notable bits from RTE: "Radio Telefis Eireann, RTE anseo agaibh" (last bit pronounced "unshow agive", according to a pronounciation guide I'm reading now): "RTE, here at you" (how RTE opened its TV service in the B&W days) "Comhartha na Cheithre Bhosca", the Irish name for the 4 Boxes Logo: the guide convinces me that it reads "kowarha na khei-re wosca". No, I don't live in Ireland (never been there either). A visitor, 4:40pm (GMT +7) Oct 3, 2003
So is anyone going to do a write up on Frank Hall and his Pictorial Weekly? Surely that programme deserves a mention.
So does The Late Late Show -- Occono 15:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh right. Didn't see those in the article. Well what about The Panel, The Blizzard Of Odd? It should be noted Podge And Rodge's Nightmare at Bedtime was on the Paramount Comedy Channel a while ago. Oh, and there is a Dublin-Focused " City Channel" on Sky now.
You don't mention Hall's Pictorial Weekly or The Panel IN the article though. There should be a more comphrensive section on the history of the programming. And shouldn't this template be in the article? -- Occono 14:24, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
The source for the actual upholding of complaints about this issue: (Irish Times - eircom.net)
Another lovely addition to the Eircom - Comreg saga.
zoney ♣ talk 14:25, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me or this article look like its been re-written by someone from RTÉ recently - I don't think we should be using the "IBD" term for example - it is offical RTÉ terminology, but its used by no one except RTÉ employees. The entire article reads like a press release in parts now. I notice the editor also airbrushed RTÉ Radio Cork out of existance - maybe RTÉ doesn't like to admit that it has ever closed a station. -- Rdd 22:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree, and it's a poorly-written press release at that. There are a couple of 'opinion as fact' statements, particularly in the 'News' section. RTE "provides the most comprehensive range of national and international news and current affairs programming in Ireland". Maybe, if "international" means "Northern Ireland" and "comprehensive" means "ad nauseum". How do BBC News and ITN "pose threats" to RTE? Really it should be rewritten to say "provide competition for viewership". In fact, I think I might do just that. Eugene lynch ( talk) 12:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the section about the licence fee being an unnesscary tax, on the idea that i wasnt to comfortable with the wording of the addation and the accompaing website. To me it seemed little less then rant to set up for the website which is marked as a rant. Becides the website being a rant, it has basically no source background and in the introduction their is at least one bit of info that is incorrect, the CBC in Canada does not charge a fee, it nothing short of a opinion, RTE bashing. Here is the diff on the addation [3], any thoughts? -- Boothy443 | trácht ar 03:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Was in fact a rant (as stated), but given it's an external link, why not leave it in to reflect lack of dialog on this important issue? You may not agree with the opinion but it is nonetheless valid and well researched: Direct funding to CBC amounts to a licencing fee, since mostly all households own a TV in Canada as in Ireland. I will reinsert the link. - Graham
No context to the article? If THIS isn't a place to bring up this issue, where can one do so? What IS the proper forum if not here? Remove it again and I'll add it again, simple as that.
Agreed: I'll leave it out of the body of the article. But the whole point of the external link is to get people who are interested it 'related' ideas onto other pages appropriate to that viewpoint. You're deleting the link because you don't like the idea and because you want to control content, not because it contradicts the Wikipedian philosophy.
Look, if this thing is so strict as to shoot down a single link to an opinion article as reasonable as the one I propose, it's frankly useless.
Look, Cian, the fact that the State levy the fee is semantics. In the minds of 99% of the people on this island, the TV licence is inextricably linked to the RTE service and you know it. Wikipedia should reflect the minds of 99% of people on this island: The first place an Irish person would go to look for info on the TV licence is "RTE" The main article states that RTE is a public service broadcaster and this is factually incorrect: It's a commercial broadcaster that has managed to hold on to an unnecessary subsidy because the insiders (like you I guess) keep stifling the debate.
Just something you wrote about tg4 (TnaG) is incorrect.
TnaG is an Irish language TV channel owned by the state (oireachtas). RTÉ, as the public service broadcaster, is obliged to provide tg4 with 1 hour of programming per day and a news service. It is based is Baile na hAbhann, Co Galway, and is NOT a part of RTÉ.
Obviously, tg4 don't produce mant more programmes than they receive from RTE. Most of the programmes shown during the kids' show are American; sometimnes dubbed in Irish but usually kept in English.
-Unsigned comment by 213.202.148.40 at 15:51 31 MAY 2006 on article page
TG4 will be transformed into an independent statutory body from the beginning of April in 2007 after Noel Dempsey announced it on 17 August 2006. [4]
- Comment by donal.hunt at 18:38 27 AUG 2006 on article page
-- Most all TG4 cartoons are re-dubbed into Irish, the refrain from dubbing live action programmes for their services. TG4 commission as much TV as the get from RTÉ possible double what they get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IrishTV ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
What is RTÉ'S relationship with TV3? I don't think it owns it, but i'm not 100% sure. codu ( t/ c) 12:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Some long time ago, maybe in the 70's, RTÉ made a short (maybe black and white) series of 15-minute sketches with Jimmy O'Dea and David Kelly as two railway employees in an old-fashioned junction box (sorry, I don't remember the name of the series--Help, Please). The sketches were masterpieces of Dublin humour; Kelly always addressed O'Dea as "Mister O," and each sketch ended with the duo making tea!
RTE, to its credit, has brought out DVD's of Hall's Pictorial Weekly and Wanderly Wagon. However, Jimmy O'Dea's contribution to Irish comedy is part of Ireland's--in particular, Dublin's-- cultural heritage. He was idolized by the people of Dublin, and may well have been Ireland's greatest, or at least best-loved, 20th century comedian. If anyone can remember more about the series, or persuade RTE to bring out DVD's, they will be doing a great service to that cultural heritage.-- PeadarMaguidhir 11:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was No consensus. Count is fairly evenly split and both sides are making compelling arguments. Sure, there is BBC and MTV and NBC but there is also American Broadcasting Company and General Electric and Sport utility vehicle. Arguments on each side could also be made on the other. — Wknight94 ( talk) 13:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Radio Telefís Éireann → RTÉ — It seems that the "RTÉ" is simply a pseudo-acronym and should therefore, this page should be moved to that title. According to RTÉ's official website, I could not find the name "Radio Telefís Éireann" listed anywhere, including the company's "about" page. [5] —– Dream out loud ( talk) 00:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
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polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.I support the move to RTÉ on the basis that this is the Common Name. See BBC as an example of where this approach is used. However, I don't feel strongly either way.
Comment: On a separate point, by way of discussion – no argument here: I think the spelling question is quite interesting because in fact there appear to be three possible spellings out there:
I suspect the Oireachtas in the 2008 Bill is attempting to rectify the spelling mistake in the 1966 Act. However, it may unwittingly be leaving in an outstanding error!! [I’m inclined to think it is an error – Foras na Gaeilge are probably right about the “fada” on the “ó” – It has always sounded like a long vowel to me – though I am not suggesting any edit here. Just noting this point]. Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 21:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Thisis the list of "key people" in the info box:
"Key people Mary Finan, Chairperson Paddy Marron, Chairman of the Audit Sub-Committee, Maria Killian, Chairperson of the Programme Sub-Committee Cathal Goan, Director-General Conor Hayes, Chief Financial Officer Bride Rosney, Director of Communications Ed Mulhall, Managing Director, RTÉ News Noel Curran, Managing Director, RTÉ Television Adrian Moynes, Managing Director, RTÉ Radio"
Is that not a bit long!? Suggest we cut it down to the Chairperson. Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 20:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Please cease edit waring over the non-free station ident images. As those of you involved know, the only way to achieve consensus is by discussion. My apologies if you are already discussing it elsewhere: if so please post a link to that discussion. -- Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) ( Talk) 10:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been doing some homework...and the layout of the article seems quite haphazard and while the content is excellent perhaps there could be a more coherent structure to reflect the activities of the organisation.
RTE
IBD
This is a rough break down of how RTE operates. Does anyone else think this might be a more productive, accurate reflection of the organisation? howth575 ( talk) 20:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Would definately be an improvement, coupled with your proposed split of the articles about Radio and TV - I'd go for it. Sulmac ( talk) 13:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
is there any particular reason the 'future' section is in the history section??? howth575 ( talk) 03:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Some sections of the article are very long and would perhaps benefit from being split into seperate articles with more condensed versions placed here? I'm thinking particularly the Television section and perhaps the radio section. howth575 ( talk) 22:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
There is plenty of scope to improve this section of the article. Details of the mandate of the organisation, the members etc... howth575 ( talk) 14:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
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The lede is misleading. It says RTE "is the Public Service Broadcaster of Ireland", yet this is true only of the Republic of Ireland (BBC is the public service broadcaster of Northern Ireland). "Ireland" actually links to "Republic of Ireland", but this link is disguised by piping. The disguise should be removed so that readers are clear about the remit of RTE. Mooretwin ( talk) 21:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Garda 40,
The images I contributed are both relevant and in the proper context. On reflection I will however delete the picture of the meeting which could be identified with another subject.Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
I also have seen that you, without comment or justification, have deleted a reference to a Senate Debate during the week which was followed by an excellent commentary in the Sunday Independent newspaper. Wiki users should,for the sake of compleness,see the sentence that I inserted.
Skreen (talk) 19:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Skreen ( talk) 19:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Anyone else think the clip art of a camera and the "sssh" has no place on a Wikipedia article???? Rdd ( talk) 19:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I propose to move this article from it's current title to RTE's new official name of "Raidió Teilifís Éireann" as reported in various newspapers such as The Irish Times, The Independent, and Times Online. Just wanted to see if there were any objections first... -- HighKing ( talk) 09:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Because of the changes the broadcasting act introduces this article will require some changes (the name change has been done). Most notably the RTÉ Authority will become the RTÉ Board; I assume some regulatory powers would be tranferred to the proposed " Broadcasting Authority of Ireland". It is not easy to get (confirmed) details but this would be a start. It does not give the text of the act, but rather the text of the bill which is 181 pages long.
As the article is 38 kilobytes long (32 is often considered the optimum) it could be an opportunity to split some of the material off; there is also a more than healthy "splattering" of images. Time for a cull? Djegan ( talk) 17:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Unusally the Broadcasting Act 2009 did not contain the usual commencement-delaying provision therefore all its provisions other than those relating to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland commence straight away (including the aforementment renaming of RTÉ). The Minister still needs to by order appoint a day to be, er, "the appointed day" for the purposes of the establishment of the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland and until that happens the BCI and BCC both continue. The Minister will only make the relevant SI once both bodies are ready to merge (new logo, letterheads ready, etc) and once he is ready to appoint the Board of the new authority so I imagine it could still be a couple of weeks (if not months) before the Act becomes fully operational. Rdd ( talk) 19:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Why the full title? Why not follow international examples such as the British Broadcasting Corporation ( BBC) and Cable News Network ( CNN)? The previous change (and hopefully any future changes) would not have been needed if this had been carried out before. I don't know if there are many RTEs but surely there aren't that many RTÉs out there? There are other examples of RTÉ related articles, i.e. RTÉ Guide (not Raidió Teilifís Éireann Guide), RTÉ player (not Raidió Teilifís Éireann player) and RTÉ Radio (not Raidió Teilifís Éireann Radio) so this is in use elsewhere but not the main article? And, although perhaps not particularly significant, it would be several letters less to type each time anyone uses the term. See also, WP:COMMONNAME. -- can dle • wicke 19:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Raidió Teilifís Éireann Commercial Enterprises Ltd I have added this to wiki anyone have futher info? IrishTV ( talk) 23:58, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
The name of the company is simply RTÉ Commercial Enterprises Limited, see www.cro.ie . Nowadays it trades as RTÉ Publishing though the former is still the legal name Rdd ( talk) 13:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Proposed plans for redevelopment of the Donnybrook complex: " Project 2025". Cargoking talk 18:23, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
The opening sentence of this article reads: "Raidió Teilifís Éireann ... is the public service broadcaster of Ireland". With reference to the manual of style for Ireland-related topics (IMOS), it is proposed that this be changed to read "... is the public service broadcaster of the Republic of Ireland".
IMOS states that, where confusion may arise, Republic of Ireland should be used rather than Ireland.
Confusion may arise because:
After discussion, a similar issue was resolved here in favour of applying the IMOS guideline and using Republic of Ireland rather than Ireland. Mooretwin ( talk) 12:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
This is one of those examples where I utterly fail to see why someone might be "confused". Only a state can have a state/national broadcaster. Please state a case for why someone might confuse "state broadcaster" with the island. -- HighKing ( talk) 18:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I was asked by Mooretwin, with RashersTierney'a acquiescence, to judge consensus from this discussion as an uninvolved admin. (I also assessed a similar discussion on articles related to Irish football league system). As Mooretwin states, on the face of it, this issue is very similar to the previous discussion. His position—that a significant potential for confusion exists—is supported by CofE.GSTQ, Asarlaí and Mabuska. However, a similar number of editors (Rashers, Fmph, HighKing, and to some extent, Dave) broadly suggest that this differs from the previous discussion because, by definition, only a state can have a state/national broadcaster. I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced by this argument (significantly, the opening sentence does not currently describe RTE is a state/national broadcaster!) but there is sufficient reasonable editors voicing support as to give it due weight.
Therefore at this time, I believe there is no consensus to make the specific change proposed by Mooretwin (though the fact that a number of edits consider it confusion suggests there is no consensus to keep the article as it is either). I would suggest either the editors here work together to find another way of wording the opening sentence, to address the perceived ambiguity. Alternatively, open this this discussion out to uninvolved opinions (since its only true outsiders, with no real understanding of Ireland and its ambiguities, that can assess quite how likely this confusion is). I'm happy to come back and have another look after further discussion, if need be. Rockpocke t 21:31, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
How about ..
Is the use of "Ireland" in the opening sentence of this article potentially confusing, given that RTE is the public service broadcaster not of the island of Ireland, but of the Republic of Ireland? Mooretwin ( talk) 16:51, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Heres a few suggestions:
Mabuska (talk) 18:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
"Raidió Teilifís Éireann[4] (Irish pronunciation: [ˈradʲo ˈtʲɛlʲəfʲiːʃ ˈeːrʲən] ( listen); English: Radio [and] Television of Ireland; abbreviated as RTÉ) is the public service broadcaster of Ireland, which can also be terrestrially received in Northern Ireland."
Where does it say that pipelinks are to be avoided at all costs? And if that were the case, why does IMOS use pipelinks all over the shop? Fmph ( talk) 06:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
You may want to display a text for a link that is different from the linked article title. This can be achieved with what is called Piped links. Example: Henry II, which displays as Henry II. However, make sure that it is still clear what the link refers to without having to follow the link. Think about what the reader will believe the link is about. Example: When you use a link such as Archery (which displays as Archery), the reader will expect this link to go to a general article on archery, rather than Archery at the 2008 Summer Olympics. The exception is when it is clear from the context that links go to specific articles, as in template:2008 Summer Olympics Calendar, where all links go to the article about these specific games.
Compromise - "...public service broadcaster of the country, Ireland". GoodDay ( talk) 12:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I've posted a RfC at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland. Perhaps other members of the project may be able to bring a fresh view to this, RashersTierney ( talk) 18:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
As i've constantly said the key is the wording. Heres another (not perfect) compromise that changes only a couple of words which i've put in bold to highlight:
Raidió Teilifís Éireann[4] (Irish pronunciation: [ˈradʲo ˈtʲɛlʲəfʲiːʃ ˈeːrʲən] ( listen); English: Radio [and] Television of Ireland; abbreviated as RTÉ) is a semi-state company and a public service broadcaster in Ireland.
Reading it, yes the in makes it more clear that its not referring to the state but rather the island, but the a heavily implies that it is a not "the" public service broadcaster of it. This allows scope for the fact it can be recieved in both parts of the island and that it isn't the public service broadcaster of NI. Republic of Ireland is linked in the infobox so its not like its hidden or can't be accessed. Its not perfect but a compromise is a compromise and if it helps conclude this then why not. Mabuska (talk) 12:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Howabout this kinda 'wiki-link' "...and semi-state company of the country, Ireland". GoodDay ( talk) 02:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
It uses - like 99% of similar situations across the paedia - Ireland. If that works everywhere else, what is different about this context that suggests a change might be needed? No one has ever answered that one. Fmph ( talk) 12:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
So are there any objections to the proposed compromise of using "Irish state" instead of "Ireland" or "Republic of Ireland"? So far none has been expressed. Mooretwin ( talk) 13:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I think this dispute should be taken to the next step of dispute resolution as its just going round and round and round. I still think external admins should assess whether or not the IMoS should apply. Mabuska (talk) 22:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Many rte articles are using Ireland when the should be using Republic of Ireland and this needs to be addressed. C. 22468 ( talk) 16:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, I work in the central communications dept at RTÉ, the logo changed in 2013 New logo png: https://we.tl/t-ojPsB2mLjx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rowang.gallagher.rte ( talk • contribs) 14:30, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 13:19, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Raidió Teilifís Éireann → RTÉ – Using the abbreviations as the page title satisfies the naming WP:CRITERIA. It is clearly more concise. It is certainly as recognisable as Raidió Teilifís Éireann. I would argue that no precision is lost, although it is of course not its official name (but WP:OFFICIAL).
Most significantly, it is more natural, in the sense that we describe Bryan Dobson as a "presenter with RTÉ" rather a "presenter with Raidió Teilifís Éireann", as so also is a more common name for the corporation (see WP:COMMONNAME).
In terms of consistency, it would match the various pages beginning with RTÉ, as against none others using the full name. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 15:21, 11 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 01:39, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
The Establishment and name section has this unsourced claim:
The "É" in RTÉ is most often pronounced as the English letter "E". However, in the Irish language "É" is pronounced [eː]
Because it is an initialism, would it not be pronounced [i fˈäda]? I can't seem to find any sources online that says that the common pronunciation of RTÉ is wrong, which I believe policy would require. What I can find suggests É is pronounced as normal but with the word fada after the e. The debate is more about the R! [1] Does anyone know if this is an acceptable pronunciation? – Mullafacation { ◌͜◌ talk} 09:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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In addition, the younger crowd are allowed to get away with pronouncing "news" as "nooze", "Or"-TE when they mean "Ar"-TE, and "Portlaoise" without the final syllable.
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According to RTÉ's website, its name is Radio Telifís Éireann, not Radió Telifís Éireann. I checked with someone I know in there and they said the same. It is perfectly possible that in correct gaelic it should be radió. However what is correct gaelic isn't always the version used. (As with the hideous Lána Bus nonsense!) Whatever about the correct language, the correct name has no fada on the 'o'. FearÉIREANN 19:22 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)
The "correct Gaelic" is, in any case, neither radio nor radió, but raidió. RTÉ, though does indeed stand for Radio Telefís Éireann. -- 81.132.170.159 23:46, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Recently re-raised at Talk:Irish words used in the English language. Djegan 00:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have requested a citation for "Raidió Teilifís Éireann" and one is required. The Annual Report 2006 [1] and act of Oireachtas [2] use the version as per the article title, viz, "Radio Telefís Éireann". Citations please or uncited material maybe removed at any time, WP:VERIFY. Djegan 22:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
If folks want to keep a unofficial version of name then citations please to show it has validility. Not word games with what is required. Any resonable student of Irish knows the official name is not modern standardised spelling, but we are not here to provide alternative valid spellings as in a high school essay or five minute triva in Irish class, rather this is a professional encyclopedia. Citations please, uncited material maybe removed at any time. Djegan 06:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
To complicate this, the Broadcasting Bill published today will, when enacted change the name to "Radio Teilifís Éireann", changing Telefís but leaving Radio intact! -- Rdd ( talk) 18:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
According to today's Irish Times the spelling has been changed to Raidió Teilifís Éireann by the Broadcasting Act 2009. Can we move the article now? Ian Cheese ( talk) 01:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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What exactly does: "Seo Radio 2RN Baile Atha Cliath ag tastail" translate to (and how do you pronounce it)? Meanwhile, here are some other notable bits from RTE: "Radio Telefis Eireann, RTE anseo agaibh" (last bit pronounced "unshow agive", according to a pronounciation guide I'm reading now): "RTE, here at you" (how RTE opened its TV service in the B&W days) "Comhartha na Cheithre Bhosca", the Irish name for the 4 Boxes Logo: the guide convinces me that it reads "kowarha na khei-re wosca". No, I don't live in Ireland (never been there either). A visitor, 4:40pm (GMT +7) Oct 3, 2003
So is anyone going to do a write up on Frank Hall and his Pictorial Weekly? Surely that programme deserves a mention.
So does The Late Late Show -- Occono 15:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh right. Didn't see those in the article. Well what about The Panel, The Blizzard Of Odd? It should be noted Podge And Rodge's Nightmare at Bedtime was on the Paramount Comedy Channel a while ago. Oh, and there is a Dublin-Focused " City Channel" on Sky now.
You don't mention Hall's Pictorial Weekly or The Panel IN the article though. There should be a more comphrensive section on the history of the programming. And shouldn't this template be in the article? -- Occono 14:24, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
The source for the actual upholding of complaints about this issue: (Irish Times - eircom.net)
Another lovely addition to the Eircom - Comreg saga.
zoney ♣ talk 14:25, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me or this article look like its been re-written by someone from RTÉ recently - I don't think we should be using the "IBD" term for example - it is offical RTÉ terminology, but its used by no one except RTÉ employees. The entire article reads like a press release in parts now. I notice the editor also airbrushed RTÉ Radio Cork out of existance - maybe RTÉ doesn't like to admit that it has ever closed a station. -- Rdd 22:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree, and it's a poorly-written press release at that. There are a couple of 'opinion as fact' statements, particularly in the 'News' section. RTE "provides the most comprehensive range of national and international news and current affairs programming in Ireland". Maybe, if "international" means "Northern Ireland" and "comprehensive" means "ad nauseum". How do BBC News and ITN "pose threats" to RTE? Really it should be rewritten to say "provide competition for viewership". In fact, I think I might do just that. Eugene lynch ( talk) 12:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the section about the licence fee being an unnesscary tax, on the idea that i wasnt to comfortable with the wording of the addation and the accompaing website. To me it seemed little less then rant to set up for the website which is marked as a rant. Becides the website being a rant, it has basically no source background and in the introduction their is at least one bit of info that is incorrect, the CBC in Canada does not charge a fee, it nothing short of a opinion, RTE bashing. Here is the diff on the addation [3], any thoughts? -- Boothy443 | trácht ar 03:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Was in fact a rant (as stated), but given it's an external link, why not leave it in to reflect lack of dialog on this important issue? You may not agree with the opinion but it is nonetheless valid and well researched: Direct funding to CBC amounts to a licencing fee, since mostly all households own a TV in Canada as in Ireland. I will reinsert the link. - Graham
No context to the article? If THIS isn't a place to bring up this issue, where can one do so? What IS the proper forum if not here? Remove it again and I'll add it again, simple as that.
Agreed: I'll leave it out of the body of the article. But the whole point of the external link is to get people who are interested it 'related' ideas onto other pages appropriate to that viewpoint. You're deleting the link because you don't like the idea and because you want to control content, not because it contradicts the Wikipedian philosophy.
Look, if this thing is so strict as to shoot down a single link to an opinion article as reasonable as the one I propose, it's frankly useless.
Look, Cian, the fact that the State levy the fee is semantics. In the minds of 99% of the people on this island, the TV licence is inextricably linked to the RTE service and you know it. Wikipedia should reflect the minds of 99% of people on this island: The first place an Irish person would go to look for info on the TV licence is "RTE" The main article states that RTE is a public service broadcaster and this is factually incorrect: It's a commercial broadcaster that has managed to hold on to an unnecessary subsidy because the insiders (like you I guess) keep stifling the debate.
Just something you wrote about tg4 (TnaG) is incorrect.
TnaG is an Irish language TV channel owned by the state (oireachtas). RTÉ, as the public service broadcaster, is obliged to provide tg4 with 1 hour of programming per day and a news service. It is based is Baile na hAbhann, Co Galway, and is NOT a part of RTÉ.
Obviously, tg4 don't produce mant more programmes than they receive from RTE. Most of the programmes shown during the kids' show are American; sometimnes dubbed in Irish but usually kept in English.
-Unsigned comment by 213.202.148.40 at 15:51 31 MAY 2006 on article page
TG4 will be transformed into an independent statutory body from the beginning of April in 2007 after Noel Dempsey announced it on 17 August 2006. [4]
- Comment by donal.hunt at 18:38 27 AUG 2006 on article page
-- Most all TG4 cartoons are re-dubbed into Irish, the refrain from dubbing live action programmes for their services. TG4 commission as much TV as the get from RTÉ possible double what they get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IrishTV ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
What is RTÉ'S relationship with TV3? I don't think it owns it, but i'm not 100% sure. codu ( t/ c) 12:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Some long time ago, maybe in the 70's, RTÉ made a short (maybe black and white) series of 15-minute sketches with Jimmy O'Dea and David Kelly as two railway employees in an old-fashioned junction box (sorry, I don't remember the name of the series--Help, Please). The sketches were masterpieces of Dublin humour; Kelly always addressed O'Dea as "Mister O," and each sketch ended with the duo making tea!
RTE, to its credit, has brought out DVD's of Hall's Pictorial Weekly and Wanderly Wagon. However, Jimmy O'Dea's contribution to Irish comedy is part of Ireland's--in particular, Dublin's-- cultural heritage. He was idolized by the people of Dublin, and may well have been Ireland's greatest, or at least best-loved, 20th century comedian. If anyone can remember more about the series, or persuade RTE to bring out DVD's, they will be doing a great service to that cultural heritage.-- PeadarMaguidhir 11:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was No consensus. Count is fairly evenly split and both sides are making compelling arguments. Sure, there is BBC and MTV and NBC but there is also American Broadcasting Company and General Electric and Sport utility vehicle. Arguments on each side could also be made on the other. — Wknight94 ( talk) 13:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Radio Telefís Éireann → RTÉ — It seems that the "RTÉ" is simply a pseudo-acronym and should therefore, this page should be moved to that title. According to RTÉ's official website, I could not find the name "Radio Telefís Éireann" listed anywhere, including the company's "about" page. [5] —– Dream out loud ( talk) 00:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
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polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.I support the move to RTÉ on the basis that this is the Common Name. See BBC as an example of where this approach is used. However, I don't feel strongly either way.
Comment: On a separate point, by way of discussion – no argument here: I think the spelling question is quite interesting because in fact there appear to be three possible spellings out there:
I suspect the Oireachtas in the 2008 Bill is attempting to rectify the spelling mistake in the 1966 Act. However, it may unwittingly be leaving in an outstanding error!! [I’m inclined to think it is an error – Foras na Gaeilge are probably right about the “fada” on the “ó” – It has always sounded like a long vowel to me – though I am not suggesting any edit here. Just noting this point]. Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 21:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Thisis the list of "key people" in the info box:
"Key people Mary Finan, Chairperson Paddy Marron, Chairman of the Audit Sub-Committee, Maria Killian, Chairperson of the Programme Sub-Committee Cathal Goan, Director-General Conor Hayes, Chief Financial Officer Bride Rosney, Director of Communications Ed Mulhall, Managing Director, RTÉ News Noel Curran, Managing Director, RTÉ Television Adrian Moynes, Managing Director, RTÉ Radio"
Is that not a bit long!? Suggest we cut it down to the Chairperson. Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 20:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Please cease edit waring over the non-free station ident images. As those of you involved know, the only way to achieve consensus is by discussion. My apologies if you are already discussing it elsewhere: if so please post a link to that discussion. -- Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) ( Talk) 10:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been doing some homework...and the layout of the article seems quite haphazard and while the content is excellent perhaps there could be a more coherent structure to reflect the activities of the organisation.
RTE
IBD
This is a rough break down of how RTE operates. Does anyone else think this might be a more productive, accurate reflection of the organisation? howth575 ( talk) 20:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Would definately be an improvement, coupled with your proposed split of the articles about Radio and TV - I'd go for it. Sulmac ( talk) 13:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
is there any particular reason the 'future' section is in the history section??? howth575 ( talk) 03:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Some sections of the article are very long and would perhaps benefit from being split into seperate articles with more condensed versions placed here? I'm thinking particularly the Television section and perhaps the radio section. howth575 ( talk) 22:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
There is plenty of scope to improve this section of the article. Details of the mandate of the organisation, the members etc... howth575 ( talk) 14:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
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The lede is misleading. It says RTE "is the Public Service Broadcaster of Ireland", yet this is true only of the Republic of Ireland (BBC is the public service broadcaster of Northern Ireland). "Ireland" actually links to "Republic of Ireland", but this link is disguised by piping. The disguise should be removed so that readers are clear about the remit of RTE. Mooretwin ( talk) 21:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Garda 40,
The images I contributed are both relevant and in the proper context. On reflection I will however delete the picture of the meeting which could be identified with another subject.Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
I also have seen that you, without comment or justification, have deleted a reference to a Senate Debate during the week which was followed by an excellent commentary in the Sunday Independent newspaper. Wiki users should,for the sake of compleness,see the sentence that I inserted.
Skreen (talk) 19:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Skreen ( talk) 19:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Anyone else think the clip art of a camera and the "sssh" has no place on a Wikipedia article???? Rdd ( talk) 19:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I propose to move this article from it's current title to RTE's new official name of "Raidió Teilifís Éireann" as reported in various newspapers such as The Irish Times, The Independent, and Times Online. Just wanted to see if there were any objections first... -- HighKing ( talk) 09:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Because of the changes the broadcasting act introduces this article will require some changes (the name change has been done). Most notably the RTÉ Authority will become the RTÉ Board; I assume some regulatory powers would be tranferred to the proposed " Broadcasting Authority of Ireland". It is not easy to get (confirmed) details but this would be a start. It does not give the text of the act, but rather the text of the bill which is 181 pages long.
As the article is 38 kilobytes long (32 is often considered the optimum) it could be an opportunity to split some of the material off; there is also a more than healthy "splattering" of images. Time for a cull? Djegan ( talk) 17:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Unusally the Broadcasting Act 2009 did not contain the usual commencement-delaying provision therefore all its provisions other than those relating to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland commence straight away (including the aforementment renaming of RTÉ). The Minister still needs to by order appoint a day to be, er, "the appointed day" for the purposes of the establishment of the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland and until that happens the BCI and BCC both continue. The Minister will only make the relevant SI once both bodies are ready to merge (new logo, letterheads ready, etc) and once he is ready to appoint the Board of the new authority so I imagine it could still be a couple of weeks (if not months) before the Act becomes fully operational. Rdd ( talk) 19:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Why the full title? Why not follow international examples such as the British Broadcasting Corporation ( BBC) and Cable News Network ( CNN)? The previous change (and hopefully any future changes) would not have been needed if this had been carried out before. I don't know if there are many RTEs but surely there aren't that many RTÉs out there? There are other examples of RTÉ related articles, i.e. RTÉ Guide (not Raidió Teilifís Éireann Guide), RTÉ player (not Raidió Teilifís Éireann player) and RTÉ Radio (not Raidió Teilifís Éireann Radio) so this is in use elsewhere but not the main article? And, although perhaps not particularly significant, it would be several letters less to type each time anyone uses the term. See also, WP:COMMONNAME. -- can dle • wicke 19:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Raidió Teilifís Éireann Commercial Enterprises Ltd I have added this to wiki anyone have futher info? IrishTV ( talk) 23:58, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
The name of the company is simply RTÉ Commercial Enterprises Limited, see www.cro.ie . Nowadays it trades as RTÉ Publishing though the former is still the legal name Rdd ( talk) 13:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Proposed plans for redevelopment of the Donnybrook complex: " Project 2025". Cargoking talk 18:23, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
The opening sentence of this article reads: "Raidió Teilifís Éireann ... is the public service broadcaster of Ireland". With reference to the manual of style for Ireland-related topics (IMOS), it is proposed that this be changed to read "... is the public service broadcaster of the Republic of Ireland".
IMOS states that, where confusion may arise, Republic of Ireland should be used rather than Ireland.
Confusion may arise because:
After discussion, a similar issue was resolved here in favour of applying the IMOS guideline and using Republic of Ireland rather than Ireland. Mooretwin ( talk) 12:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
This is one of those examples where I utterly fail to see why someone might be "confused". Only a state can have a state/national broadcaster. Please state a case for why someone might confuse "state broadcaster" with the island. -- HighKing ( talk) 18:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I was asked by Mooretwin, with RashersTierney'a acquiescence, to judge consensus from this discussion as an uninvolved admin. (I also assessed a similar discussion on articles related to Irish football league system). As Mooretwin states, on the face of it, this issue is very similar to the previous discussion. His position—that a significant potential for confusion exists—is supported by CofE.GSTQ, Asarlaí and Mabuska. However, a similar number of editors (Rashers, Fmph, HighKing, and to some extent, Dave) broadly suggest that this differs from the previous discussion because, by definition, only a state can have a state/national broadcaster. I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced by this argument (significantly, the opening sentence does not currently describe RTE is a state/national broadcaster!) but there is sufficient reasonable editors voicing support as to give it due weight.
Therefore at this time, I believe there is no consensus to make the specific change proposed by Mooretwin (though the fact that a number of edits consider it confusion suggests there is no consensus to keep the article as it is either). I would suggest either the editors here work together to find another way of wording the opening sentence, to address the perceived ambiguity. Alternatively, open this this discussion out to uninvolved opinions (since its only true outsiders, with no real understanding of Ireland and its ambiguities, that can assess quite how likely this confusion is). I'm happy to come back and have another look after further discussion, if need be. Rockpocke t 21:31, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
How about ..
Is the use of "Ireland" in the opening sentence of this article potentially confusing, given that RTE is the public service broadcaster not of the island of Ireland, but of the Republic of Ireland? Mooretwin ( talk) 16:51, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Heres a few suggestions:
Mabuska (talk) 18:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
"Raidió Teilifís Éireann[4] (Irish pronunciation: [ˈradʲo ˈtʲɛlʲəfʲiːʃ ˈeːrʲən] ( listen); English: Radio [and] Television of Ireland; abbreviated as RTÉ) is the public service broadcaster of Ireland, which can also be terrestrially received in Northern Ireland."
Where does it say that pipelinks are to be avoided at all costs? And if that were the case, why does IMOS use pipelinks all over the shop? Fmph ( talk) 06:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
You may want to display a text for a link that is different from the linked article title. This can be achieved with what is called Piped links. Example: Henry II, which displays as Henry II. However, make sure that it is still clear what the link refers to without having to follow the link. Think about what the reader will believe the link is about. Example: When you use a link such as Archery (which displays as Archery), the reader will expect this link to go to a general article on archery, rather than Archery at the 2008 Summer Olympics. The exception is when it is clear from the context that links go to specific articles, as in template:2008 Summer Olympics Calendar, where all links go to the article about these specific games.
Compromise - "...public service broadcaster of the country, Ireland". GoodDay ( talk) 12:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I've posted a RfC at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland. Perhaps other members of the project may be able to bring a fresh view to this, RashersTierney ( talk) 18:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
As i've constantly said the key is the wording. Heres another (not perfect) compromise that changes only a couple of words which i've put in bold to highlight:
Raidió Teilifís Éireann[4] (Irish pronunciation: [ˈradʲo ˈtʲɛlʲəfʲiːʃ ˈeːrʲən] ( listen); English: Radio [and] Television of Ireland; abbreviated as RTÉ) is a semi-state company and a public service broadcaster in Ireland.
Reading it, yes the in makes it more clear that its not referring to the state but rather the island, but the a heavily implies that it is a not "the" public service broadcaster of it. This allows scope for the fact it can be recieved in both parts of the island and that it isn't the public service broadcaster of NI. Republic of Ireland is linked in the infobox so its not like its hidden or can't be accessed. Its not perfect but a compromise is a compromise and if it helps conclude this then why not. Mabuska (talk) 12:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Howabout this kinda 'wiki-link' "...and semi-state company of the country, Ireland". GoodDay ( talk) 02:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
It uses - like 99% of similar situations across the paedia - Ireland. If that works everywhere else, what is different about this context that suggests a change might be needed? No one has ever answered that one. Fmph ( talk) 12:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
So are there any objections to the proposed compromise of using "Irish state" instead of "Ireland" or "Republic of Ireland"? So far none has been expressed. Mooretwin ( talk) 13:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I think this dispute should be taken to the next step of dispute resolution as its just going round and round and round. I still think external admins should assess whether or not the IMoS should apply. Mabuska (talk) 22:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Many rte articles are using Ireland when the should be using Republic of Ireland and this needs to be addressed. C. 22468 ( talk) 16:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, I work in the central communications dept at RTÉ, the logo changed in 2013 New logo png: https://we.tl/t-ojPsB2mLjx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rowang.gallagher.rte ( talk • contribs) 14:30, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 13:19, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Raidió Teilifís Éireann → RTÉ – Using the abbreviations as the page title satisfies the naming WP:CRITERIA. It is clearly more concise. It is certainly as recognisable as Raidió Teilifís Éireann. I would argue that no precision is lost, although it is of course not its official name (but WP:OFFICIAL).
Most significantly, it is more natural, in the sense that we describe Bryan Dobson as a "presenter with RTÉ" rather a "presenter with Raidió Teilifís Éireann", as so also is a more common name for the corporation (see WP:COMMONNAME).
In terms of consistency, it would match the various pages beginning with RTÉ, as against none others using the full name. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 15:21, 11 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 01:39, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
The Establishment and name section has this unsourced claim:
The "É" in RTÉ is most often pronounced as the English letter "E". However, in the Irish language "É" is pronounced [eː]
Because it is an initialism, would it not be pronounced [i fˈäda]? I can't seem to find any sources online that says that the common pronunciation of RTÉ is wrong, which I believe policy would require. What I can find suggests É is pronounced as normal but with the word fada after the e. The debate is more about the R! [1] Does anyone know if this is an acceptable pronunciation? – Mullafacation { ◌͜◌ talk} 09:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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In addition, the younger crowd are allowed to get away with pronouncing "news" as "nooze", "Or"-TE when they mean "Ar"-TE, and "Portlaoise" without the final syllable.