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I am the anon IP whose edits which is more on the lines of original research and a need for citations was added and removed from the article. I thought of sharing them about the phenomena of ethnic jokes ties in with American racism and prejudice felt in their society, to tell an ethnic joke makes one look racist and the nature of ethnic jokes or depicted images of minorities sometimes can be hurtful and damaging. I apologize and admitted to done those edits, and the administrators are free to make that decision. Thank you. + 71.102.11.193 ( talk) 01:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Racial discrimination in the USA also includes Ethnic jokes directed against racial minority groups, media-displayed portrayals or exaggerated cultural traits known as stereotypes and hate crimes or hate speech against persons of identified minorities.
Ethnic jokes remain a part of the American culture, although seen as impolite and unacceptable verbal conduct except in the realm of stand-up comedy. It includes jokes, epithets and comments about European ethnic groups like Irish, Italian, Pole (see also " Polish joke") and Jew jokes.
Certain negative depictions of white Southerners, Mormons (see also Mormonism the religion) and French Canadians are said to be present, but not as politically charged than racism or cultural intolerance directed at Blacks, Muslims and Latinos.''
Held by a substantial amount of people? I believe this article needs evidence of some of the claims; otherwise, it seems to be slanted anti-majority American. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.47.172.120 ( talk) 18:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I think more attention should be paid to reverse racism...because that is way more prevalent than "traditional" racism. (to me) —Preceding unsigned comment added by NathanForrest101 ( talk • contribs) 18:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm
This is a fringe theory. Furthermore, an institution can serve economic purposes and, at the same time, be racist. These things are not exclusive. No one doubts that slavery was often highly lucrative. futurebird ( talk) 14:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
with the 2008 Presidential elections coverage here and am tempted (but not giving in) to quashing the whole section and starting all over. For example, the sentence, "However, according to exit polls, over sixty percent of white Americans voted for McCain." suggests that racism was at play yet here [3] I discover this analysis, "Obama received 43% of the white vote, up from Kerry’s 41% of the white vote in 2004," suggesting that Obama received a higher percentage of white votes than did Kerry. This not, as we say, "Good feng shui." Carptrash ( talk) 23:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
This page will be set up for talk page archiving in a week or so unless anyone has objections.-- Carwil ( talk) 19:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
This article seems to be missing a section on the racism that occurs in the United States military. It is a subject that needs to be addressed as it is extremely relevant to the times we live in. I would like to contribute. Kaitlyn confer ( talk) 14:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaitlyn confer ( talk • contribs) 15:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
One of the most disturbing aspects of any discussion of 'race' and/or 'racism' is the very use of the inaccurate term 'race' which is, I maintain in my 'Anti-Racism/Colorism Blog 101' www.caroltaylorword.blogspot.com a too-widespread euphemism which covers a whole lot of untreated racism/colorism. I've often called for a 'Liberation Semantics Forum' - even a series of fora, to eradicate confusing and misleading beliefs extant in the masses of people residing in the hostile-to-color U.S.A. (But don't celebrate yet: the untreated racism/colorism is, unfortunatley, worldwide and extremely counterproductive to hueman progress.
173.3.143.128 ( talk) 18:00, 10 December 2010 (UTC)Carol Taylor First Black U.S.A. Flight Attendant, 590 Flatbush Avenue, Ste.11A BK NY 11225 email: littleblackbook@juno.com, Tel. (718) 856 1271
Under "Anti-European Immigrant Racism," I deleted the reference to there being both anti-Irish and anti-Catholic prejudice during the election of JFK. Back at that time, in 1959 and 1960, there was a lot of talk about the possible drawbacks in having a Catholic president, but there was virtually no talk about whether or not to elect a President of Irish ancestry, which would have been rather pointless since his opponent, Richard Nixon, was a Quaker of Irish ancestry.
The concern that some people had at the time the time was that JFK, as a Catholic, would be under the control of the Vatican.
Only a short notice concerning the ADL (
Anti Defamation League ): which strangely is forgotten here.
Why is there no mention about it within "Current Hate group " forinstance , or in "Racism as a factor in U.S. foreign policy" . Anyway ; Criticizing it or not , this very powerfull racial power group had to be mentioned before other less active racial clubs .
(
Michel SERVET (
talk)
15:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC))
Text and/or other creative content from this version of Racism in the United States was copied or moved into Racism in North America with this edit on 04:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC). The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
43?9enter ( talk) 04:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Many reliable sources have written about anti-Asian discrimination in college applications, similar to Jews in past generations. I added one source, but there are many others which this paragraph can be expanded with.-- Babank ( talk) 22:52, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Those numbers are presented in a misleading way. Black Americans make up roughly 12.8% of the population, while "white" Americans account for about 80.2%. Census data: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html Those numbers alone greatly increase the chances of crime victims being white. This really borders on sophistry.
I imagine white Americans buy 80% more bread, buy 80% more pornography, and breathe 80% more air, too. (I bet they account for an even higher rate of taxi rides.)
Furthermore the final two paragraphs of this section don't seem to have anything to do with racism at all and I reccomend they be removed. So-called "interracial crime," a term of questionable significance, is not racism, nor is it on par with hate-crime, community lynchings, segregation, Jim Crow, redlining, etc etc etc.
The section Racism against European Americans is confusing. By European Americans here they mean white folks? If so, I think that section should be removed altogether as they are the majority of the country making any racism against them isolated events usually not systematic as opposed to the one against minorities. Thanks -- Camilo Sanchez ( talk) 17:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Throughout the 20th Century, Black Americans were not given many opportunities to find work let alone high-paying jobs. As time went on, racism and material deprivation persisted and led to a growing economic gap between whites and blacks. This issue was written widely in the media yet employers along with policy makers failed to help blacks gain higher paying jobs or better opportunities. Eventually, when the civil rights movement occurred along with the writings published by Michael Harrington and Dwight MacDonald which emphasized the terrible conditions black faced in the workplace. The effects of the civil rights movement and published by prominent writers caused poverty to be defined and federal antipoverty policy was put into action. [1]
It seems that the Court cases regarding race section is blank. Is this intentional, or is it a mistake? The list of United States Supreme Court cases page has some good examples that could be summarized here. Carnivorousfungi ( talk) 12:33, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and remove the proposed merge tag as a) no one is actually discussing it and b) I don't think a merger is appropriate, for reasons I shall outline below. If anyone objects, feel free to replace the tag and begin a discussion.
just removed this unsourced paragraph from the article. If you feel strongly about it, find a reference and put it back
Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 01:53, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
An ip editor has been blanking this section. Current text is:
Before removal and "under white influence", some Southern Native American tribes owned African American slaves. The Cherokee, Choctaw, and Chickasaw were known to have had slaves. However, unlike white slaveholders, they encouraged the young black slaves to attend the schools opened for the Indian children. The children they had with black women and men were raised in practical equality with their full blooded offspring." [20] Unlike the United States before Emancipation, African Americans (and European Americans) were allowed to become citizens of their respective Native American nations; however, it was rare for African Americans to become citizens of Native American nations. For example, a small number of "Free People of Color" lived in many Native American nations as Cherokee, Choctaw, or Creek citizens.[21]
This is useful, interesting and encyclopedic information. It fleshes out this complex topic, and is exactly the kind of non-intuitive information I look to wikipedia to provide. 204.107.53.153, please discuss your reasons for wanting to blank this section. Colon el Tom 02:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Do we want to spend any space (if it is not already there) explaining that slavery and racism are not synonymous? If so, then this section could be a part of that discussion. Carptrash ( talk) 15:30, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I've been bold and added a new section with this text under Institutional racism / slavery by non-whites. This allows scope for expansion if other relevant info is suggested. If my phrasing has inadvertently caused any offense, I apologise in advance - none is intended. Again, I'm no expert in this topic. I've not yet considered how to best incorporate Carptrash's suggestion to explain that 'slavery and racism are not synonymous'. I invite comments/suggestions/amendments. Thanks, Colon el Tom 21:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
This article needs severe updating towards the end. Looking at any contemporary statistics shows directly contradicting evidence.
108.17.109.131 ( talk) 17:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
So, besides that bit about the West Coast, I don't see anything about discrimination against asians. Every other racial group and some ethnic groups get their own sections, but asians don't. I thought asians report more racial discrimination than any other group? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.104.4 ( talk) 06:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Interesting article about the subject:
http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.202.64 ( talk) 20:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
The term whites seems rather colloquial, perhaps it could be replaced with something more suitable for a formal encyclopedia. Anser 5 July 2005 12:44 (UTC)
This is an article about racism in the U.S., and U.S. racism as it pertains to African-Americans and German/Dutch/English/Scots/Irish/Slavic/Semetic/French/Spanish/Portuguese/Belgian/Swiss/Scandanavian/Did-I-miss-anybody-Americans is a history of divisions along White/Black lines. This is how it was played out. In legal documents, "white" was the term. It was pseudo-science. Perhaps an authentic reproduction of the chart on the degrees of White/Blackness that was in official usage during the 1800s, or the 1890 census, would be helpful, with terms like mulatto, quadroon, and octoroon. The institutionalized racism that was enshrined in U.S. law, in terms of the wording of the 3/5ths compromise, the Fugitive Slave Laws and the later Jim Crow Laws, distinguished whites as being the class of privilege.
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 10 |
I am the anon IP whose edits which is more on the lines of original research and a need for citations was added and removed from the article. I thought of sharing them about the phenomena of ethnic jokes ties in with American racism and prejudice felt in their society, to tell an ethnic joke makes one look racist and the nature of ethnic jokes or depicted images of minorities sometimes can be hurtful and damaging. I apologize and admitted to done those edits, and the administrators are free to make that decision. Thank you. + 71.102.11.193 ( talk) 01:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Racial discrimination in the USA also includes Ethnic jokes directed against racial minority groups, media-displayed portrayals or exaggerated cultural traits known as stereotypes and hate crimes or hate speech against persons of identified minorities.
Ethnic jokes remain a part of the American culture, although seen as impolite and unacceptable verbal conduct except in the realm of stand-up comedy. It includes jokes, epithets and comments about European ethnic groups like Irish, Italian, Pole (see also " Polish joke") and Jew jokes.
Certain negative depictions of white Southerners, Mormons (see also Mormonism the religion) and French Canadians are said to be present, but not as politically charged than racism or cultural intolerance directed at Blacks, Muslims and Latinos.''
Held by a substantial amount of people? I believe this article needs evidence of some of the claims; otherwise, it seems to be slanted anti-majority American. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.47.172.120 ( talk) 18:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I think more attention should be paid to reverse racism...because that is way more prevalent than "traditional" racism. (to me) —Preceding unsigned comment added by NathanForrest101 ( talk • contribs) 18:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm
This is a fringe theory. Furthermore, an institution can serve economic purposes and, at the same time, be racist. These things are not exclusive. No one doubts that slavery was often highly lucrative. futurebird ( talk) 14:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
with the 2008 Presidential elections coverage here and am tempted (but not giving in) to quashing the whole section and starting all over. For example, the sentence, "However, according to exit polls, over sixty percent of white Americans voted for McCain." suggests that racism was at play yet here [3] I discover this analysis, "Obama received 43% of the white vote, up from Kerry’s 41% of the white vote in 2004," suggesting that Obama received a higher percentage of white votes than did Kerry. This not, as we say, "Good feng shui." Carptrash ( talk) 23:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
This page will be set up for talk page archiving in a week or so unless anyone has objections.-- Carwil ( talk) 19:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
This article seems to be missing a section on the racism that occurs in the United States military. It is a subject that needs to be addressed as it is extremely relevant to the times we live in. I would like to contribute. Kaitlyn confer ( talk) 14:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaitlyn confer ( talk • contribs) 15:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
One of the most disturbing aspects of any discussion of 'race' and/or 'racism' is the very use of the inaccurate term 'race' which is, I maintain in my 'Anti-Racism/Colorism Blog 101' www.caroltaylorword.blogspot.com a too-widespread euphemism which covers a whole lot of untreated racism/colorism. I've often called for a 'Liberation Semantics Forum' - even a series of fora, to eradicate confusing and misleading beliefs extant in the masses of people residing in the hostile-to-color U.S.A. (But don't celebrate yet: the untreated racism/colorism is, unfortunatley, worldwide and extremely counterproductive to hueman progress.
173.3.143.128 ( talk) 18:00, 10 December 2010 (UTC)Carol Taylor First Black U.S.A. Flight Attendant, 590 Flatbush Avenue, Ste.11A BK NY 11225 email: littleblackbook@juno.com, Tel. (718) 856 1271
Under "Anti-European Immigrant Racism," I deleted the reference to there being both anti-Irish and anti-Catholic prejudice during the election of JFK. Back at that time, in 1959 and 1960, there was a lot of talk about the possible drawbacks in having a Catholic president, but there was virtually no talk about whether or not to elect a President of Irish ancestry, which would have been rather pointless since his opponent, Richard Nixon, was a Quaker of Irish ancestry.
The concern that some people had at the time the time was that JFK, as a Catholic, would be under the control of the Vatican.
Only a short notice concerning the ADL (
Anti Defamation League ): which strangely is forgotten here.
Why is there no mention about it within "Current Hate group " forinstance , or in "Racism as a factor in U.S. foreign policy" . Anyway ; Criticizing it or not , this very powerfull racial power group had to be mentioned before other less active racial clubs .
(
Michel SERVET (
talk)
15:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC))
Text and/or other creative content from this version of Racism in the United States was copied or moved into Racism in North America with this edit on 04:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC). The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
43?9enter ( talk) 04:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Many reliable sources have written about anti-Asian discrimination in college applications, similar to Jews in past generations. I added one source, but there are many others which this paragraph can be expanded with.-- Babank ( talk) 22:52, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Those numbers are presented in a misleading way. Black Americans make up roughly 12.8% of the population, while "white" Americans account for about 80.2%. Census data: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html Those numbers alone greatly increase the chances of crime victims being white. This really borders on sophistry.
I imagine white Americans buy 80% more bread, buy 80% more pornography, and breathe 80% more air, too. (I bet they account for an even higher rate of taxi rides.)
Furthermore the final two paragraphs of this section don't seem to have anything to do with racism at all and I reccomend they be removed. So-called "interracial crime," a term of questionable significance, is not racism, nor is it on par with hate-crime, community lynchings, segregation, Jim Crow, redlining, etc etc etc.
The section Racism against European Americans is confusing. By European Americans here they mean white folks? If so, I think that section should be removed altogether as they are the majority of the country making any racism against them isolated events usually not systematic as opposed to the one against minorities. Thanks -- Camilo Sanchez ( talk) 17:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Throughout the 20th Century, Black Americans were not given many opportunities to find work let alone high-paying jobs. As time went on, racism and material deprivation persisted and led to a growing economic gap between whites and blacks. This issue was written widely in the media yet employers along with policy makers failed to help blacks gain higher paying jobs or better opportunities. Eventually, when the civil rights movement occurred along with the writings published by Michael Harrington and Dwight MacDonald which emphasized the terrible conditions black faced in the workplace. The effects of the civil rights movement and published by prominent writers caused poverty to be defined and federal antipoverty policy was put into action. [1]
It seems that the Court cases regarding race section is blank. Is this intentional, or is it a mistake? The list of United States Supreme Court cases page has some good examples that could be summarized here. Carnivorousfungi ( talk) 12:33, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and remove the proposed merge tag as a) no one is actually discussing it and b) I don't think a merger is appropriate, for reasons I shall outline below. If anyone objects, feel free to replace the tag and begin a discussion.
just removed this unsourced paragraph from the article. If you feel strongly about it, find a reference and put it back
Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 01:53, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
An ip editor has been blanking this section. Current text is:
Before removal and "under white influence", some Southern Native American tribes owned African American slaves. The Cherokee, Choctaw, and Chickasaw were known to have had slaves. However, unlike white slaveholders, they encouraged the young black slaves to attend the schools opened for the Indian children. The children they had with black women and men were raised in practical equality with their full blooded offspring." [20] Unlike the United States before Emancipation, African Americans (and European Americans) were allowed to become citizens of their respective Native American nations; however, it was rare for African Americans to become citizens of Native American nations. For example, a small number of "Free People of Color" lived in many Native American nations as Cherokee, Choctaw, or Creek citizens.[21]
This is useful, interesting and encyclopedic information. It fleshes out this complex topic, and is exactly the kind of non-intuitive information I look to wikipedia to provide. 204.107.53.153, please discuss your reasons for wanting to blank this section. Colon el Tom 02:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Do we want to spend any space (if it is not already there) explaining that slavery and racism are not synonymous? If so, then this section could be a part of that discussion. Carptrash ( talk) 15:30, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I've been bold and added a new section with this text under Institutional racism / slavery by non-whites. This allows scope for expansion if other relevant info is suggested. If my phrasing has inadvertently caused any offense, I apologise in advance - none is intended. Again, I'm no expert in this topic. I've not yet considered how to best incorporate Carptrash's suggestion to explain that 'slavery and racism are not synonymous'. I invite comments/suggestions/amendments. Thanks, Colon el Tom 21:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
This article needs severe updating towards the end. Looking at any contemporary statistics shows directly contradicting evidence.
108.17.109.131 ( talk) 17:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
So, besides that bit about the West Coast, I don't see anything about discrimination against asians. Every other racial group and some ethnic groups get their own sections, but asians don't. I thought asians report more racial discrimination than any other group? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.104.4 ( talk) 06:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Interesting article about the subject:
http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.202.64 ( talk) 20:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
The term whites seems rather colloquial, perhaps it could be replaced with something more suitable for a formal encyclopedia. Anser 5 July 2005 12:44 (UTC)
This is an article about racism in the U.S., and U.S. racism as it pertains to African-Americans and German/Dutch/English/Scots/Irish/Slavic/Semetic/French/Spanish/Portuguese/Belgian/Swiss/Scandanavian/Did-I-miss-anybody-Americans is a history of divisions along White/Black lines. This is how it was played out. In legal documents, "white" was the term. It was pseudo-science. Perhaps an authentic reproduction of the chart on the degrees of White/Blackness that was in official usage during the 1800s, or the 1890 census, would be helpful, with terms like mulatto, quadroon, and octoroon. The institutionalized racism that was enshrined in U.S. law, in terms of the wording of the 3/5ths compromise, the Fugitive Slave Laws and the later Jim Crow Laws, distinguished whites as being the class of privilege.