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It appears, from what I've seen, that "Hylian" is correct and "Hylia" does not appear. My apologies for the revert - if this is incorrect, please discuss here instead of reverting.
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The article has been edited again. I have reverted; no consensus for a change has been established. Do not change it again without consulting this page. And DO NOT edit other users' talk page comments, as per WP:TPG. =David( talk)( contribs) 23:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.210.80 ( talk • contribs)
The bottom line (and can anyone refute this?) is that, in the English-language LoZ instruction manual (as scanned above), the group is referred to as "The Hylia," the individuals as "A Hylian." That is an official Nintendo source, and unrefutable. (Also, please sign your posts on a talk page by typing four tildes - ~~~~.) Cheers! =David( talk)( contribs) 14:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
You can use it to read the ancient language of the Hylia!" - not removed in the remake.
My contention would be that, if we're describing the races, we should use the adjective form, which every other race in this section follows (even though, in the rest of those cases, the adjective form doubles as the noun form). To that end, therefore, and so as not to add further to the controversy, while maintaining both points of view (whether the name of the race is "Hylia" or "Hylian"), everyone agrees that the adjective form is "Hylian", so I'm going to change it to that, consistent with this view. I will do the same with any other races in question. Leave it alone. Cocoapropo 03:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, it seemed adjective-ey to me, anyway. And it's not original research, it's a point of view. Either way, as you point out, it doesn't matter. But probably the way you modified it is best, just to change it to "Hylian race", although that seems kinda redundant, doesn't it? And the reason I changed the main heading to "Humans and like races" is because none of the others are necessarily human, just humanoid, but I didn't change it to that because it didn't sound quite right to me. Cocoapropo 01:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why a page doesen't exist for the Fierce Diety? He is a very popular charecter and i belive that if Jabu-Jabu merits a page so should Fierce Diety 216.12.83.170 00:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
feirce deity is not part of a race rather a strong persons spirit tied to a mask. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LegendLiver ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to ask everyone to stop using Zelda.com as source of info if that info is not specifically stated in a game. Most of what I can read there is just utter bullshit. Zola are female Zoras????? That's a new one! For one, "Zola" don't exist and secondly, didn't they have a KING in A Link To The Past? Or how about this quote: Young Medli was a princess of the Rito tribe. Princess huh? So, can we stop using Zelda.com as a source of info for anything not stated in the games? DreamingLady 16:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
P.S. This discussion should really go in WikiProject: Zelda series, it applies to most Zelda articles. Haipa Doragon (talk) 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
If the games said "the fish enemies are not female Zora", and the site said they are, that would be a contradiction. As it is, it is not. KrytenKoro 07:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Regardless, this is only part of the issue. I was also questioning Zelda.com's stand alone value in general. It seems to me that site has not been properly updated ever since Majora's Mask. Also, I think I can live with that awkward description from Zelda.com of the "Zola" on this page, IF it will be clearly mentioned that Zelda.com is the only source on it and that it is slightly odd due to the King Zora of ALTTP. DreamingLady 13:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
in phantom hourglass a monster in zola tradition was named a zora warrior so that proves that zola and zora are one in the same LegendLiver 21:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I can see how the Dead tribe can be considered just the form of other tribes, and the Monster Tribe doesn't really display sentience.
However, the Dark Tribe consistenly displays sentience - one writes love letters to Maggie in TWW, you can talk to another in TMC, and in both TWW and TPH, many of them can pilot ships or man fortresses.
When the name of the group was first introduced, in ALttP, it seemed to include all of the 'blins, the Wizzrobes, the 'nuts, and the Mimic/Thieves. I'm not sure if Mimics really display sentience, but the rest of them certainly do.
So, we need to add a section, and we could probably merge the related articles into it. Or treat it like the "Human" section, with multiple subsections. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 15:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's best to group them like that. While tribe in the context of the Wind Tribe and Yamatami Tribe refers to a small group of the same race/species, tribe in the context of Dark Tribe would pretty much mean everything that serves Ganon(dorf). That are quite a few races that aren't (genetically) related. Whether those individual races should be mentioned on this page, I'm not sure. There's definitely something to be said for the (Mo)blins by now (which can be done by merely refering to the Moblin article). By now they have proven culture and intelligence on several occasions. The others though, while I don't doubt they are intelligent (clothes are prove of intelligence, and so is, with a bit of bitterness in my voice, the use of weapons), we just don't have enough about them to justify a section on this page. DreamingLady 14:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
regular crabs in Link to the past also explode into smoke. Many monsters display indepence or even a moral compass. Moblins and other monsters have occasionaly rebelled and helped Link. Delsait 04:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Um yeah, just a question about the Gods section. I know Ganondorf is called a god, and well, Fierce "Deity" is a big hint as well, should they be noted in the section? I mean, you got gods as in extremely powerful beings, usually using a lower being to do their work, and you got gods as in title/the having of followers. The latter is not really part of the "race", non?
As for the Zora, I suggest we rearrange/rewrite the section so it looks more like the Human section. Makes things a bit more organized. DreamingLady 14:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, so we either put under "Notable Gods/Spirits" only those who are actually deity by race/species (as is the purpose of this page), or we remove the deity section completely and possibly create a page for religion in TLOZ as a whole. Because it just doesn't make sense to mention Ganon(dorf) as a notable god after stating it in his case is more of a title. I mean, the same is claimed about the goddess of fortune, who is not mentioned. Following this reasoning, Tingle should also be on that list, and Vaati on the notable Hylians list, which both just don't seem right, as they are not part of the race, which is what this page is about. DreamingLady 18:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Should the Spirits still be there the page was satarting to seem alphabetical? if it was i'll change it. LegendLiver 12:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
So what is the Oocca race called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 ( talk) 07:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
In the Gerudo section someone mentioned that the fortune teller lady appears to be Gerudo, when she looked more asian to me. If anyone in Phantom Hourglass is Gerudo it is definately either Jolene or her sister Joanne. I don't want to edit this in because I'm not very good at editing in general, and I don't know if people agree with my PoV.-- 66.225.179.117 22:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
The point wasn't that she is from Asia, the point is that she looks Asian, and Gerudos don't look Asian. So she's not a gerudo.--
Phantom Kirby
23:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Gerudos are as you say, but they also dress differently. Culture is about more than race, y'know. The Fortune Teller dresses more or less like a stereotypical fortune teller, Jolene, on the other hand, dresses in a similar fashion to the Gerudos, IMO. She just looks alot like a Gerudo overall.-- Phantom Kirby 01:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Obviously you have alot more logic than I do, but my point still stands that Jolene is more Gerudo than the fortune teller, right?-- Phantom Kirby 00:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
While human is never really used in TMC to include the Wind Tribe, there is this for the Armos:
These soldier statues here were built by the Minish ages ago to help humans. It's kind of a secret, but there's a switch inside that turns them on or off.
Appears in the Wind Ruins. Built by the Minish for the Wind Tribe long ago. They look like stone statues, but if you get too close, they move!
However, we still need some evidence that the Yamitami are considered part of the Human Race.
Not even Mr. Lister's
Koromon survived intact.
16:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I say yes because a sufficent number have shown free wil and intelligence. They should be added for the Dark world alone. Many monsters have been shown to live in peace with Hyrule or even help link.
Delsait 20:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
If you think the term is too general. Why not add stalfos,dodongos,moblins as seperate entries. Though I suggest putting them all under one group. Delsait 20:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
We should at least mention the transformed hylians in the Dark world. Delsait 20:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The idea doesn't fit elsewhere. I suggest putting here as it needs some mention. I'm going to put them in if no one has any objections.
Delsait 03:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Artichoke I gave sufficent reasons for them belong here. I'm inserting them into other tribes. Delsait ( talk) 04:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I really don't see how this is a race; it's little more than a few arbitrary connections between various groups of animals in the series. Seeing as various real-life animals do exist in the series, a section on them may be appropriate, but they're definitely not one collective race. Haipa Doragon (talk) 17:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I have collected alot of Information on the animals and evidence supporting them as a race ill post it here and will wait for comments. LegendLiver ( talk) 22:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The Animal's are composed of the various talking animals that appear within the series. They can be found in grouping in Link’s Awakening, Twilight Princess, Majoras Mask , Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons and The Minish Cap. In the The Minish Cap however there are no groups of animals.
While the Animals seem to have a society in many of the games, they only show true civilization in Link’s Awakening. In the game, many animals reside within the Animal Village. However, the nature Koholint Island is that of a dream, so it is uncertain whether the town ever existed.
The Monkeys appear as a "race" in Twilight Princess, Majoras Mask and Oracle of Ages where they help out link on his adventure. They in habit the Faron Woods but they specifically live in the Forest Temple. They assist link in many ways like making swings for him to travel across platforms and guiding him to treasure as well as being his way to get to the boss battle. They are lead by Ook the Baboon who is at first evil but later helps link fight Diababa. In Majoras Mask there are a few monkey’s that live within the Woods of Mystery. They hold a friendship to the Deku Royal Family. The monkeys also seem to have a basic monarchy in Oracle of Ages, where a tribe monkeys is led by their Princess. Twilight Princess-Pop. 9 Majoras Mask -Pop.3 Oracle of Ages-Pop.21
The Cats appear as a "race" in Twilight Princess. They can be broken up into three factions/groups.
-Pop. 6
-Pop. 25
-Pop. 2 -Total Cat Pop. 33
The Cuccos are featured in many games but is only a “race” in Twilight Princess. They are very sporadically located and there is only one location that’s population is more than 3. Their leader is believed to be the Golden Cucco who is used to get to the sacred grove though other cuccos have leadership positions such as the cucco leader of the cats. They reside at Kakoriko Village, Ordan Village, Falbi's Flight House, outside The Forest Temple, and in The Hidden Village/Old Kakoriko. Pop. 11
Golden Cucco
Cucco Leader of Cats
The Frogs appear in Twilight Princess,Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask. In Ocarina of Time the frogs appear as a chorus that sing along to songs played on your Ocarina. In Majoras Mask they also appear as a chorus but you must find and assemble them using "Don Gero’s Mask". In Twilight Princess the frogs are tiny animals on the bank of the river that flows through Ordan Village. When talked to the frogs will tell you that the people of the village often drop rupees around the river.
The Beavers appear in Majoras Mask as part of a side quest to collect bottles. There are 2 beavers called the Beaver Brothers. They both wear clothes and they revere bottles as treasure.
In some games there exist animals that are not grouped. In the Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons Dimitri , Moosh and Ricky all talk and help link. Also, the penguin Blaino owns his own dojo. The owl Kaepora Gaebore appears and talks to link many times during many games but in Ocarina of Time it is said he does this because he is the reincarnation of some ancient sage.
LegendLiver ( talk) 22:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
It would be like the Human article with the multiple sub-sections of the animlas. LegendLiver ( talk) 22:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The Gorons are not a tribe. The Ho Ho Tribe and Ho Ho are the correct spelling i found that out after a bit of research(played the game). but still they are "The Ho Ho Tribe" not "Ho Ho Tribe". Ho Ho Tribe doesnt even sond right The Yook are being referenced as a race not the Yook tribe so Yetis and Yook are corect. Also Yook is used as plural as well as Yooks in Phantom Hourglass so do not change exsisting type. Yook may be treated as tribe so what the heck I was wondering since the cobble kingdom is one of the Three Tribes in Phantom Hourglass and is reminisant of the Kingdom in Ikanna Canyon in Majoras Mask if it could be considered a race. i know that they are deceased but they as a race were around and the ghosts of there people are still alive i will make the article but first i thought id ask for approval and maybe a spot of info. LegendLiver ( talk) 22:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
But, the Ho Ho are "The Ho Ho Tribe" not "Ho Ho Tribe". Ho Ho Tribe doesnt even sound right.
i dont read japanese so im gonna say that the isnt important enough to rase a discusion about. LegendLiver 12:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Just played the game right now. It is Ho Ho Tribe, it's even in blue letters too. "The" is not part of the name in any way, shape or form. .:Alex:. 19:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
see that is my way of telling everyone that i have dropped my point and have moved on and yes i know that it is no The Ho Ho tribe i just remembered the game differently than it was made. LegendLiver 21:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I do not beleive that all races should be labeled tribe when all these years weve been fine with calling them a race. if they should be tribes wouldnt the name of the page be tribes and just because they are called a tribe doesnt mean that is their races corret label ends in tribe also i beleive that if the labelis races than tribes should be capitalized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LegendLiver ( talk • contribs) 01:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay i admit they have been called tribe alot lately but that doesnt mean that tribe shouldnt be treated as a title like King and it should be capitalized. LegendLiver ( talk) 02:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Well its kinda obvious that im not gonna win so do whatever the heck you want but "ill be back" for something other then this
Keaton has a link to this list, but this list contains no entries on the Keatons. JayKeaton ( talk) 04:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
In the minish section, when it says "the sacred realm" is it talking about the sacred realm, or just something called a sacred realm.
Just want a clarification. It's been a while since I played the game. -- Superbub ( talk) 22:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I note that, under the Sheikah section, only Impa is listed as a known Sheikah. Are we then working under the assumption that the Sheikah indicates a race of people rather than people who have gone through a certain training? I mean not to imply that this is made up, of course, but I'm not personally aware of it ever being explained one way or the other. What I'm getting at, of course, is that Sheik, though Princess Zelda's alternate form, certainly shows all signs of Sheikah training, likely given to her by Impa, but is not listed as such. I'm not sure if this is right or wrong, but I would be interested in discussing the reasoning for it here. 12.217.11.107 ( talk) 09:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I apologize- that was me, and I knew not that I was not logged in. Midaki ( talk) 09:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
This Ho Ho tribesman who lost his telescope is not Hoiger Howgendoogen. Hoiger Howgendoogen is Nyeve's sister, the owner of the kaleidescope given to Link in exchange for the Hero's New Clothes, and is given to said tribesman in exchange for Nyave's Guard notebok. Xparasite9 ( talk) 03:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of the Spirits section it splits the Spirits into two groups Gods and Gaurdian Spirits. I do not see why these words have likes to articles with the same name when they have nothing to do with Zelda. I am correcting it. LegendLiver ( talk) 01:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I moved an interesting fact about the Kokiri from what I belive to be the wrong page. I pasted it in the Kokiri section, but it came out bold. Please help because it is out of my power Gregory E. Miller ( talk) 22:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC))
Tribe does not nessesarily (sorry for spelling) mean race. They appear to be humans who are somehow related. They are not a different species. -- Kuriza ( talk) 08:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I was looking at Telma when playing TP, and she looked like she might be a Sheikah. Does anyone know anything about this? IPodxjunkie ( talk) 02:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I've moved Hyrule to Universe of The Legend of Zelda series, and am considering merging this into that and filling the Demographics and government section. Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Obviously whoever changed this article is misinformed. The "Pig Men" are called Moblins and i will change this. LegendLiver ( talk) 00:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I seem to have been the misinformed one. But i dont believe that the pig warriors should be include. also i hope to put the information back into the miniblin bokoblin and bulbin sections. whoever deleted them did not need to. LegendLiver ( talk) 00:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
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It appears, from what I've seen, that "Hylian" is correct and "Hylia" does not appear. My apologies for the revert - if this is incorrect, please discuss here instead of reverting.
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23:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The article has been edited again. I have reverted; no consensus for a change has been established. Do not change it again without consulting this page. And DO NOT edit other users' talk page comments, as per WP:TPG. =David( talk)( contribs) 23:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.210.80 ( talk • contribs)
The bottom line (and can anyone refute this?) is that, in the English-language LoZ instruction manual (as scanned above), the group is referred to as "The Hylia," the individuals as "A Hylian." That is an official Nintendo source, and unrefutable. (Also, please sign your posts on a talk page by typing four tildes - ~~~~.) Cheers! =David( talk)( contribs) 14:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
You can use it to read the ancient language of the Hylia!" - not removed in the remake.
My contention would be that, if we're describing the races, we should use the adjective form, which every other race in this section follows (even though, in the rest of those cases, the adjective form doubles as the noun form). To that end, therefore, and so as not to add further to the controversy, while maintaining both points of view (whether the name of the race is "Hylia" or "Hylian"), everyone agrees that the adjective form is "Hylian", so I'm going to change it to that, consistent with this view. I will do the same with any other races in question. Leave it alone. Cocoapropo 03:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, it seemed adjective-ey to me, anyway. And it's not original research, it's a point of view. Either way, as you point out, it doesn't matter. But probably the way you modified it is best, just to change it to "Hylian race", although that seems kinda redundant, doesn't it? And the reason I changed the main heading to "Humans and like races" is because none of the others are necessarily human, just humanoid, but I didn't change it to that because it didn't sound quite right to me. Cocoapropo 01:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why a page doesen't exist for the Fierce Diety? He is a very popular charecter and i belive that if Jabu-Jabu merits a page so should Fierce Diety 216.12.83.170 00:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
feirce deity is not part of a race rather a strong persons spirit tied to a mask. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LegendLiver ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to ask everyone to stop using Zelda.com as source of info if that info is not specifically stated in a game. Most of what I can read there is just utter bullshit. Zola are female Zoras????? That's a new one! For one, "Zola" don't exist and secondly, didn't they have a KING in A Link To The Past? Or how about this quote: Young Medli was a princess of the Rito tribe. Princess huh? So, can we stop using Zelda.com as a source of info for anything not stated in the games? DreamingLady 16:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
P.S. This discussion should really go in WikiProject: Zelda series, it applies to most Zelda articles. Haipa Doragon (talk) 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
If the games said "the fish enemies are not female Zora", and the site said they are, that would be a contradiction. As it is, it is not. KrytenKoro 07:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Regardless, this is only part of the issue. I was also questioning Zelda.com's stand alone value in general. It seems to me that site has not been properly updated ever since Majora's Mask. Also, I think I can live with that awkward description from Zelda.com of the "Zola" on this page, IF it will be clearly mentioned that Zelda.com is the only source on it and that it is slightly odd due to the King Zora of ALTTP. DreamingLady 13:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
in phantom hourglass a monster in zola tradition was named a zora warrior so that proves that zola and zora are one in the same LegendLiver 21:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I can see how the Dead tribe can be considered just the form of other tribes, and the Monster Tribe doesn't really display sentience.
However, the Dark Tribe consistenly displays sentience - one writes love letters to Maggie in TWW, you can talk to another in TMC, and in both TWW and TPH, many of them can pilot ships or man fortresses.
When the name of the group was first introduced, in ALttP, it seemed to include all of the 'blins, the Wizzrobes, the 'nuts, and the Mimic/Thieves. I'm not sure if Mimics really display sentience, but the rest of them certainly do.
So, we need to add a section, and we could probably merge the related articles into it. Or treat it like the "Human" section, with multiple subsections. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 15:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's best to group them like that. While tribe in the context of the Wind Tribe and Yamatami Tribe refers to a small group of the same race/species, tribe in the context of Dark Tribe would pretty much mean everything that serves Ganon(dorf). That are quite a few races that aren't (genetically) related. Whether those individual races should be mentioned on this page, I'm not sure. There's definitely something to be said for the (Mo)blins by now (which can be done by merely refering to the Moblin article). By now they have proven culture and intelligence on several occasions. The others though, while I don't doubt they are intelligent (clothes are prove of intelligence, and so is, with a bit of bitterness in my voice, the use of weapons), we just don't have enough about them to justify a section on this page. DreamingLady 14:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
regular crabs in Link to the past also explode into smoke. Many monsters display indepence or even a moral compass. Moblins and other monsters have occasionaly rebelled and helped Link. Delsait 04:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Um yeah, just a question about the Gods section. I know Ganondorf is called a god, and well, Fierce "Deity" is a big hint as well, should they be noted in the section? I mean, you got gods as in extremely powerful beings, usually using a lower being to do their work, and you got gods as in title/the having of followers. The latter is not really part of the "race", non?
As for the Zora, I suggest we rearrange/rewrite the section so it looks more like the Human section. Makes things a bit more organized. DreamingLady 14:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, so we either put under "Notable Gods/Spirits" only those who are actually deity by race/species (as is the purpose of this page), or we remove the deity section completely and possibly create a page for religion in TLOZ as a whole. Because it just doesn't make sense to mention Ganon(dorf) as a notable god after stating it in his case is more of a title. I mean, the same is claimed about the goddess of fortune, who is not mentioned. Following this reasoning, Tingle should also be on that list, and Vaati on the notable Hylians list, which both just don't seem right, as they are not part of the race, which is what this page is about. DreamingLady 18:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Should the Spirits still be there the page was satarting to seem alphabetical? if it was i'll change it. LegendLiver 12:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
So what is the Oocca race called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 ( talk) 07:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
In the Gerudo section someone mentioned that the fortune teller lady appears to be Gerudo, when she looked more asian to me. If anyone in Phantom Hourglass is Gerudo it is definately either Jolene or her sister Joanne. I don't want to edit this in because I'm not very good at editing in general, and I don't know if people agree with my PoV.-- 66.225.179.117 22:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
The point wasn't that she is from Asia, the point is that she looks Asian, and Gerudos don't look Asian. So she's not a gerudo.--
Phantom Kirby
23:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Gerudos are as you say, but they also dress differently. Culture is about more than race, y'know. The Fortune Teller dresses more or less like a stereotypical fortune teller, Jolene, on the other hand, dresses in a similar fashion to the Gerudos, IMO. She just looks alot like a Gerudo overall.-- Phantom Kirby 01:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Obviously you have alot more logic than I do, but my point still stands that Jolene is more Gerudo than the fortune teller, right?-- Phantom Kirby 00:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
While human is never really used in TMC to include the Wind Tribe, there is this for the Armos:
These soldier statues here were built by the Minish ages ago to help humans. It's kind of a secret, but there's a switch inside that turns them on or off.
Appears in the Wind Ruins. Built by the Minish for the Wind Tribe long ago. They look like stone statues, but if you get too close, they move!
However, we still need some evidence that the Yamitami are considered part of the Human Race.
Not even Mr. Lister's
Koromon survived intact.
16:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I say yes because a sufficent number have shown free wil and intelligence. They should be added for the Dark world alone. Many monsters have been shown to live in peace with Hyrule or even help link.
Delsait 20:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
If you think the term is too general. Why not add stalfos,dodongos,moblins as seperate entries. Though I suggest putting them all under one group. Delsait 20:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
We should at least mention the transformed hylians in the Dark world. Delsait 20:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The idea doesn't fit elsewhere. I suggest putting here as it needs some mention. I'm going to put them in if no one has any objections.
Delsait 03:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Artichoke I gave sufficent reasons for them belong here. I'm inserting them into other tribes. Delsait ( talk) 04:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I really don't see how this is a race; it's little more than a few arbitrary connections between various groups of animals in the series. Seeing as various real-life animals do exist in the series, a section on them may be appropriate, but they're definitely not one collective race. Haipa Doragon (talk) 17:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I have collected alot of Information on the animals and evidence supporting them as a race ill post it here and will wait for comments. LegendLiver ( talk) 22:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The Animal's are composed of the various talking animals that appear within the series. They can be found in grouping in Link’s Awakening, Twilight Princess, Majoras Mask , Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons and The Minish Cap. In the The Minish Cap however there are no groups of animals.
While the Animals seem to have a society in many of the games, they only show true civilization in Link’s Awakening. In the game, many animals reside within the Animal Village. However, the nature Koholint Island is that of a dream, so it is uncertain whether the town ever existed.
The Monkeys appear as a "race" in Twilight Princess, Majoras Mask and Oracle of Ages where they help out link on his adventure. They in habit the Faron Woods but they specifically live in the Forest Temple. They assist link in many ways like making swings for him to travel across platforms and guiding him to treasure as well as being his way to get to the boss battle. They are lead by Ook the Baboon who is at first evil but later helps link fight Diababa. In Majoras Mask there are a few monkey’s that live within the Woods of Mystery. They hold a friendship to the Deku Royal Family. The monkeys also seem to have a basic monarchy in Oracle of Ages, where a tribe monkeys is led by their Princess. Twilight Princess-Pop. 9 Majoras Mask -Pop.3 Oracle of Ages-Pop.21
The Cats appear as a "race" in Twilight Princess. They can be broken up into three factions/groups.
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The Cuccos are featured in many games but is only a “race” in Twilight Princess. They are very sporadically located and there is only one location that’s population is more than 3. Their leader is believed to be the Golden Cucco who is used to get to the sacred grove though other cuccos have leadership positions such as the cucco leader of the cats. They reside at Kakoriko Village, Ordan Village, Falbi's Flight House, outside The Forest Temple, and in The Hidden Village/Old Kakoriko. Pop. 11
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The Frogs appear in Twilight Princess,Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask. In Ocarina of Time the frogs appear as a chorus that sing along to songs played on your Ocarina. In Majoras Mask they also appear as a chorus but you must find and assemble them using "Don Gero’s Mask". In Twilight Princess the frogs are tiny animals on the bank of the river that flows through Ordan Village. When talked to the frogs will tell you that the people of the village often drop rupees around the river.
The Beavers appear in Majoras Mask as part of a side quest to collect bottles. There are 2 beavers called the Beaver Brothers. They both wear clothes and they revere bottles as treasure.
In some games there exist animals that are not grouped. In the Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons Dimitri , Moosh and Ricky all talk and help link. Also, the penguin Blaino owns his own dojo. The owl Kaepora Gaebore appears and talks to link many times during many games but in Ocarina of Time it is said he does this because he is the reincarnation of some ancient sage.
LegendLiver ( talk) 22:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
It would be like the Human article with the multiple sub-sections of the animlas. LegendLiver ( talk) 22:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The Gorons are not a tribe. The Ho Ho Tribe and Ho Ho are the correct spelling i found that out after a bit of research(played the game). but still they are "The Ho Ho Tribe" not "Ho Ho Tribe". Ho Ho Tribe doesnt even sond right The Yook are being referenced as a race not the Yook tribe so Yetis and Yook are corect. Also Yook is used as plural as well as Yooks in Phantom Hourglass so do not change exsisting type. Yook may be treated as tribe so what the heck I was wondering since the cobble kingdom is one of the Three Tribes in Phantom Hourglass and is reminisant of the Kingdom in Ikanna Canyon in Majoras Mask if it could be considered a race. i know that they are deceased but they as a race were around and the ghosts of there people are still alive i will make the article but first i thought id ask for approval and maybe a spot of info. LegendLiver ( talk) 22:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
But, the Ho Ho are "The Ho Ho Tribe" not "Ho Ho Tribe". Ho Ho Tribe doesnt even sound right.
i dont read japanese so im gonna say that the isnt important enough to rase a discusion about. LegendLiver 12:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Just played the game right now. It is Ho Ho Tribe, it's even in blue letters too. "The" is not part of the name in any way, shape or form. .:Alex:. 19:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
see that is my way of telling everyone that i have dropped my point and have moved on and yes i know that it is no The Ho Ho tribe i just remembered the game differently than it was made. LegendLiver 21:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I do not beleive that all races should be labeled tribe when all these years weve been fine with calling them a race. if they should be tribes wouldnt the name of the page be tribes and just because they are called a tribe doesnt mean that is their races corret label ends in tribe also i beleive that if the labelis races than tribes should be capitalized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LegendLiver ( talk • contribs) 01:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay i admit they have been called tribe alot lately but that doesnt mean that tribe shouldnt be treated as a title like King and it should be capitalized. LegendLiver ( talk) 02:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Well its kinda obvious that im not gonna win so do whatever the heck you want but "ill be back" for something other then this
Keaton has a link to this list, but this list contains no entries on the Keatons. JayKeaton ( talk) 04:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
In the minish section, when it says "the sacred realm" is it talking about the sacred realm, or just something called a sacred realm.
Just want a clarification. It's been a while since I played the game. -- Superbub ( talk) 22:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I note that, under the Sheikah section, only Impa is listed as a known Sheikah. Are we then working under the assumption that the Sheikah indicates a race of people rather than people who have gone through a certain training? I mean not to imply that this is made up, of course, but I'm not personally aware of it ever being explained one way or the other. What I'm getting at, of course, is that Sheik, though Princess Zelda's alternate form, certainly shows all signs of Sheikah training, likely given to her by Impa, but is not listed as such. I'm not sure if this is right or wrong, but I would be interested in discussing the reasoning for it here. 12.217.11.107 ( talk) 09:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I apologize- that was me, and I knew not that I was not logged in. Midaki ( talk) 09:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
This Ho Ho tribesman who lost his telescope is not Hoiger Howgendoogen. Hoiger Howgendoogen is Nyeve's sister, the owner of the kaleidescope given to Link in exchange for the Hero's New Clothes, and is given to said tribesman in exchange for Nyave's Guard notebok. Xparasite9 ( talk) 03:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of the Spirits section it splits the Spirits into two groups Gods and Gaurdian Spirits. I do not see why these words have likes to articles with the same name when they have nothing to do with Zelda. I am correcting it. LegendLiver ( talk) 01:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I moved an interesting fact about the Kokiri from what I belive to be the wrong page. I pasted it in the Kokiri section, but it came out bold. Please help because it is out of my power Gregory E. Miller ( talk) 22:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC))
Tribe does not nessesarily (sorry for spelling) mean race. They appear to be humans who are somehow related. They are not a different species. -- Kuriza ( talk) 08:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I was looking at Telma when playing TP, and she looked like she might be a Sheikah. Does anyone know anything about this? IPodxjunkie ( talk) 02:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I've moved Hyrule to Universe of The Legend of Zelda series, and am considering merging this into that and filling the Demographics and government section. Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Obviously whoever changed this article is misinformed. The "Pig Men" are called Moblins and i will change this. LegendLiver ( talk) 00:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I seem to have been the misinformed one. But i dont believe that the pig warriors should be include. also i hope to put the information back into the miniblin bokoblin and bulbin sections. whoever deleted them did not need to. LegendLiver ( talk) 00:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)