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==Chanab Nagar==
The name of the city, (that came in to existence after 1947 ) was changed to Chanab Nager some where in 1980s. I wonder why the article depicts this as rabwah? india has changed the name of various cities established centuries ago an no one can find article with old name like bombay. madras or banaras. why is there so much resistance to correcting the name of this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savoychimp12 ( talk • contribs) 08:02, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
I have tried to improve it lots of time but I am blocked. Please help me and wikipedia correct this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Admitaside2000 ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
As the above comment and user shows this article is only being disputed due to its religious significance and that they simply dont want the people living in the city to let the truth out about the living conditions and the restrictions posed and you can see from the above user who has been banned that there is no dispute apart from publishing the truth which is that the government and the people are in constant denial of the people living in the city due to their religious beliefs !-- EhsanAhmad ( talk) 18:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
The article is about the city, and only the facts should be given in this article. Wikipeedia is an encyclopedia and should not be used for false propoganda ike this. The fact is that nobody is being oppressed in Pakistan. All the minorities are living according to their beliefs, they are practicing their methods of worship. There was hardly any threat to any minority in Pakistan. If we see the number of attacks on the palces of worship in Pakistan, the mosques are the most attacked places of worship. In my knowledge there was hardly any attack on Qadiani's place of worship.
Here in Pakistan I see all the Qadianis living happy life, they are wealthy, the are well settelled all around the country, they are free to preform their worship, they are however not allowed to preach their religion. Because their belifs are against Islam. I myselaf was preached by a Qadiani, and if I was not knowing the basic principles of Islam, I would not have guessed that he was trying to convert me to Qadiani. This is the reason that they are banned to call their places of worship as Mosque and call themselves as Muslim
I would again request the users/Admistrators to change the name of article to Chenabnager. -- Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 10:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I really fail to understand what you are trying to say . Can you please write in english ? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brushturn2000 ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
I suggest to the Adminstrators of the encyclopedia to change the name of the article to Chnabnager. There is no city of the name Rabwah in Pakistan. It is the thing of the past.
-- Checkgoats2010 ( talk) 16:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Dear All The article is having some great mistakes
1. Ahmadi is NOT a Muslim, in Islamic Shariat they are Murtid(a person who leaves Islam after accepting Islam). A murtid is worse than a kafir(a person who does not accept Islam) because he/she has left The True Path after finding it.
2. Ahmadi is a threat to Islam as they represent themselves as Muslim to the people that are ignorant of this conspiracy, thus damaging the true sense of Islam. We at Pakistan are lucky that our Government has declared in the 1973 constitution 2nd Amendment “A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of The Prophethood of MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or religious reformer, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.” Ref: [[Media: [1]]
3. According to an ordinance issued in 1984, Ahmadis are forbidden to call themselves Muslims. This means that they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or call their places of worship mosques. Trespassing the ban is considered blasphemy and charges drastic penalties. You are thus requested to please remove this article and add another one with the name of “Chanabnagr” that is the true name of the city.
I pray that all ahmadi leave this religion and accept the Islam.
thanks Idrees Barlas
Dear who ever u r ( i hope u r not qadiani)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonenone4000 ( talk • contribs) 08:02, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Dear sir, In Rabwah article i noticed a mistake. Population of the city is written twice (contrary to each other), in the city box on right side of the page and in the begining of article. I want you to make it right. the exact figure is (as far as i know) 70,000 in the year 2003.
Thanking you, Navid Ahmad
The article has lots of mistakes, for example its name. The correct name of the city is Chenab nager. I hope this will be corrected , so that people can get the correct information. Shearsaved2000 ( talk) 18:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Dear All The article is having some great mistakes
1. Ahmadi is NOT a Muslim, in Islamic Shariat they are Murtid(a person who leaves Islam after accepting Islam). A murtid is worse than a kafir(a person who does not accept Islam) because he/she has left The True Path after finding it.
2. Ahmadi is a threat to Islam as they represent themselves as Muslim to the people that are ignorant of this conspiracy, thus damaging the true sense of Islam. We at Pakistan are lucky that our Government has declared in the 1973 constitution 2nd Amendment “A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of The Prophethood of MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or religious reformer, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.” Ref: [[Media: [2]]
3. According to an ordinance issued in 1984, Ahmadis are forbidden to call themselves Muslims. This means that they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or call their places of worship mosques. Trespassing the ban is considered blasphemy and charges drastic penalties. You are thus requested to please remove this article and add another one with the name of “Chanabnagr” that is the true name of the city.
I pray that all ahmadi leave this religion and accept the Islam.
thanks Idrees Barlas
Dear who ever u r ( i hope u r not qadiani)
S. G. A shah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.80.19 ( talk) 12:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
dear sir,i want to inform you with some more information.it is the city with largest per person use of bicycle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.154.252.137 ( talk) 10:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I want to inform you that no city named as Rabwah exists. The new name is "Chenab Naqar" so please change it. Secondly all the religious places of a non-muslim community are added in mosques section. Kindly remove them all from mosques section as according to the law of Islamic Republic of Pakistan the religious place of any non-muslim community cannot be called as a mosque. Erfaan —Preceding comment was added at 22:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
The "official" name of the town this article refers to is "Chenab Nagar". It is however still widely referred to as "Rabwa". Any encyclopedic article on "Rabwa" has to mention this alternative name. The reference to the name change is supported by a citation - hence I am restoring this information. Please discuss your concerns regarding this issue before making more changes. Thank you. Nazli 03:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I have requested page protection [3] c/o repeated deletion of the reference to Chenab Nagar.
History of vandalism:
[4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23]
Nazli ( talk) 05:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
It's clear from the comments above, that the name of this place touches on an extremely divisive issue (Ahmadis versus mainstream Muslims who consider them heretical). I suggest hoisting this dispute from the Talk page into the article itself.
This page needs broader coverage of this issue, and somebody needs to determine the correctness of the article name: the vast majority of the inhabitants are Ahmadis who overwhelmingly consider the town's name to be "Rabwah", while the government gazetted the town's name as "Chenab Nagar". I seem to recall that officially gazetted names for towns should be used primarily, but I may be wrong!
The article should place this disagreement in the broader context of the mullah's extreme hostility to the Ahmadis in Pakistan, anti-Ahmadiyya policies of the Pakistani government (which, in itself, deserves an entire article in its own right) and the consequent political and religious persecution resulting.
Article should mention the occasional pogroms carried out, by various extremist religious activists against the townsfolk in Rabwah/Chenab Nagar.
Commenters are reminded to behave themselves, and stick to the Talk page guidelines governing unacceptable behaviour.
MrUpsetter ( talk) 04:08, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I find following words used in your message very much offending to Pakistn and Islam:
from what you have written it seems that we are killing, beating, arresting Qadianis by dozens on daily basis. Beating them to convert back to Islam.
But I am living in Pakistan. I do not see anything like this. The are freely working in all parts of country. They are living happy life. thea are allowed to worship. A gather in great number at their worship place (at Banazeer Bhutto road(old Murree road) here in center Rawalpindi) on friday.Same type of gathering are done in all cities of Pakistan.If I meet a Christian I know by his/her name that he/she is Christian, or otherwise he will tell me.But Qadianis always hide their identity, their names are also same as we Muslims have.
We are having bomb blasts and firing 3-4 times a week here, but not one incedent has yet happened at any of Qadiani worship place.
Many people have died in terrorist attacks on mosques, schools, offices universities, but not a single Qadiani worship place, Qadiani residence, Qadiani Bussiness or Qadiani Asset has been targeted.
Then I wonder why are you using these kind of words. I think you must have gone though some of qadiani websits and literature.Unfortunately there is no counter propoganda againts these on internet.
On the other hand the qadianis are well organised group of people, who are slowly expanding there religion. The now reside in all prts of our country. the go to the area where they can propogate their religion easily, The people of the area usually do not know about their religion. They think that the newcommers are some very educated muslims and thus get inspired by them and convert to Qadiani.
Kindly see both aspects before using
Shearsaved2000 (
talk)
18:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I want to say many name of mosque to Write heir you are forget .For exempel 1 Noor Mosque 2 masroor Mosque —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.199.92.204 ( talk) 14:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
There is no city of name rabwah in Pakistan , the coordinates given leads to the location that is called Chanabnagar. If somebody in Pakistan differs with this he is challenging the Authority of the State, the same state that feeds him.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.134.114 ( talk) 08:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Dear DMack it is not necessary that Google Earth or other map sites give the correct information, you should look for some of Pakistan Governoment site
1.
Pakistan Post click "Complete List of Post Codes of All Post Offices"
2.
Pakistan Railways See if you can find any station by the name of rabwah but there sure is a station named Chenab Nager
Both of these links are from the official sites of Governoment of Pakistan and gives the name as Chenab Nager.
I hope the article name will be changed and its contents will also be revised to depict the true face of qadianis(or ahmadis, as they wrongly call themselves.)
I will also lauch a complaint against the wrong information on google earth and other map sites you mentioned , thanks for bringing their faults to my notice
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Oftenalert2000 (
talk)
18:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi All,
I am not going to tolerated any hate materials by:
1. Muslims against Qadyanis. 2. Qadyanis against Muslims.
Please do not begin your edit-wars here. Keep wikipedia netural and as facts. I am watching this page permanently.
Thanks YawarSid ( talk) 18:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
DearMack
It is good that abusive materaial is deleted from the article and the discussion.But you are giving the wrong name , the city name is Chnabnager.
As I searched for "Bombay" I was redirected to "Mumbai", I searched for "Madras", I was redirected to "Channai", I searched for "Banaras" I was redirected to "Varansi" Why?, because these are the official and guzetted names of the cities, thus these articles are having the correct names.
Now when I search for Chanabnager, I am redirected to Rabwah. Why??
Now I and the muslims are offended by this. I feel that this is vandalism.
Why is Wikipedia not using the official name of the city?
Why is Wikipedia supporting the group of people that are naming the city against the Govenoment of Pakistan(which some of the users are taunting against)?
Now I hope that you will change the Name of the article to Chnabnager. If this is not done I will be forced to boubt about the neutral stance of Wikipedia.
Nonenone4000 (
talk) 07:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)none
Nonenone4000 (
talk)
07:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I propose to merge this article into the article Chenab Nagar. Rabwah will then redirect to Chenab Nagar. Reason is that this city lies in Pakistan and Pakistan Government changed its name to Chenab Nagar in 1998. yasirniazkhan ( talk) 16:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I am in agreement with you yasir. Basically we can make Chenab Nagar as primary article and make Rabwah as a permanent redirect to it. My vote for it. YawarSid ( talk) 15:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I support merger since it sounds like the two are about the same topic. However, "official name" is one of the least important reasons to pick the ultimate location of that merged article. However, assuming the merger is done carefully (i.e., retaining all information from both), I do not care which target is chosen at this time as I will start a formal request for move to gain wider consensus and others' input regardless of the place the merger is done. DMacks ( talk) 17:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I also vote for naming this article as Chenab Nagar and redirecting the Rabwah to it.Abulfazl 18:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 17:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I vote for Chenab Nagar. Rabwah is not a religious name and has nothing to do with the Ahmadi faith. The government has changed names of many cities and still changes them just like other governments (India, etc.). I have already given multiple examples supporting this move. yasirniazkhan ( talk) 15:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I propose to merge this article into the article Chenab Nagar. Rabwah will then redirect to Chenab Nagar. Reason is that this city lies in Pakistan and Pakistan Government changed its name to Chenab Nagar in 1998 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.186.130.166 ( talk) 13:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
As suggested by DMacs the widely known and used name for the city is "Rabwah" and the widely used name by its residents and the local area ! So i would vote for the article name and title to remain Rabwah ! and chenabanagar should be redirected here -- EhsanAhmad ( talk) 16:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I would vote for the article name and title to remain Rabwah. Actually the change of city name to Chenab Nagar was against the wish of its residents and was actually to hurt Ahmadies residing in the city.
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User: IjazAhmad —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
70.64.125.145 (
talk)
02:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely agreed ! the name change has its political reasons and to make the residents who are mostly ahmadis feel like they don't actually own or live in the city and the name change actually represents that the government doesn't recognize ahmadis as residents of the city and they dont have any right to vote or express their wishes or feelings upon the decisions takes by the government ! -- EhsanAhmad ( talk) 14:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
The name of the article should be Chenab Nagar. As far as I know the qadianis keep themselve away from the acts done by Pakistan Governoment. They usualy have their own plans. By the way Chenab nager remaind a fortress for qadianis for quite some time and a state within the state is unacceptable to any country. I again request the name change of the article and revision of its contents as per the facts. -- Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 18:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I love rabwah Fafaahmad ( talk) 09:56, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was not done. I do not see consensus here for a move, but feel free to relist this request if further discussion would be beneficial. Skomorokh 08:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Rabwah → ??? — Formalizing a long-term talk-page dispute over the correct name for this article. DMacks ( talk) 08:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I you want, you can name any store(of any kind) Rabwah outside Pakistan, But thereis no city by this name in Pakistan. I wonder if the admin cares about the correctness of info on this web site or they are just enjoying the discussion. and please do not delete myrequest for move.Let the people know the true name of the city. -- Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 18:07, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Rabwah → Chenabnagar — The city name is chenabnager now for the last 11 years and the article should show the right name of the city. Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 17:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
As it has already been noticed that the city name is no more rabwah but it is Chanabnagar, I request the admins to change the name of city to Chenabnager ASAP. -- Brushturn2000 ( talk) 06:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
There is no city by the name rabwah in Pakistan, the given coordinates clearly refers to Chenabnager. this is just political movement of qadianis against Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Muslims of the world. This is further clear from the following websites in the so called refence section of the artile.
I really wonder if wikipedia is helping qadianis to propogate their religon against Islam?????
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Brushturn2000 (
talk)
15:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
All other religious malarkey aside, there are significant issues in this article that need to be addressed.
1- The majority of the article is written like a list which need to be converted to prose. If sufficient information is not available then those sections need to be removed. Case in point I am really not sure that we need to list every single one of the mosques located in the city. Instead we should have more detail on Mubarik and Aqsa mosque and just note that the city has an unusually high number of mosques per person.
2- Things to do section should be removed
3- Bazaars should be removed or changed into Commerce with removal of unwanted information and additional mention of main commercial throughfares in lieu of just listing two markets and adding a library and a mosque into the mix.
thanks Jim Logan Howlett ( talk) 00:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I had removed "Rabwah Times" from infobox as well as from the "publications" section before because IT IS NOT an official website of Rabwah/or Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. As it says itself on its twitter account: "Rabwah Times is an Independent publication and is not affilaited with #Ahmadiyya Muslim Community" [1] It is an independent online website and has no purpose to be mentioned on this page. I am removing it from both sites once again. If you have any argument please discuss here before adding it back. Thanx Sohebbasharat ( talk) 10:54, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
References
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/RRTA/2011/250.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=rabwah.net http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/RRTA/2011/402.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=rabwah.net http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/RRTA/2010/689.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=rabwah.net http://www.ecoi.net/file_upload/1997_1297690248_pak36722.pdf LAST PAGE References http://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/resources/Pakistan%20Factsheet%20July%202013%20FINAL.pdf#page=32 PAGE 32 LINE # 4
Meanwhile the social media reach is now 10,000 (8,000 facebook + 2,000 twitter). FYI everything thats in Rabwah or related to Rabwah is not under the control of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and Al-Fazal is not even a newspaper its a religious periodical. I believe a lot of the users are upset on the use of the word rabwah in the website. Why it needs to be mention because its a local rabwah based startup sameway. A newspaper does not just represent views of a one community or organization. So please stop venting out your personal feelings on wikipedia. EhsanAhmad ( talk) 09:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
I see that the flickr gallery in the "external links" section has some nice pictures of rabwah. If the owners can release their rights, i can make a montage of those pictures and place it in the infobox. Like for example in the Lahore article: /info/en/?search=Lahore Sohebbasharat ( talk) 15:56, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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==Chanab Nagar==
The name of the city, (that came in to existence after 1947 ) was changed to Chanab Nager some where in 1980s. I wonder why the article depicts this as rabwah? india has changed the name of various cities established centuries ago an no one can find article with old name like bombay. madras or banaras. why is there so much resistance to correcting the name of this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savoychimp12 ( talk • contribs) 08:02, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
I have tried to improve it lots of time but I am blocked. Please help me and wikipedia correct this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Admitaside2000 ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
As the above comment and user shows this article is only being disputed due to its religious significance and that they simply dont want the people living in the city to let the truth out about the living conditions and the restrictions posed and you can see from the above user who has been banned that there is no dispute apart from publishing the truth which is that the government and the people are in constant denial of the people living in the city due to their religious beliefs !-- EhsanAhmad ( talk) 18:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
The article is about the city, and only the facts should be given in this article. Wikipeedia is an encyclopedia and should not be used for false propoganda ike this. The fact is that nobody is being oppressed in Pakistan. All the minorities are living according to their beliefs, they are practicing their methods of worship. There was hardly any threat to any minority in Pakistan. If we see the number of attacks on the palces of worship in Pakistan, the mosques are the most attacked places of worship. In my knowledge there was hardly any attack on Qadiani's place of worship.
Here in Pakistan I see all the Qadianis living happy life, they are wealthy, the are well settelled all around the country, they are free to preform their worship, they are however not allowed to preach their religion. Because their belifs are against Islam. I myselaf was preached by a Qadiani, and if I was not knowing the basic principles of Islam, I would not have guessed that he was trying to convert me to Qadiani. This is the reason that they are banned to call their places of worship as Mosque and call themselves as Muslim
I would again request the users/Admistrators to change the name of article to Chenabnager. -- Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 10:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I really fail to understand what you are trying to say . Can you please write in english ? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brushturn2000 ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
I suggest to the Adminstrators of the encyclopedia to change the name of the article to Chnabnager. There is no city of the name Rabwah in Pakistan. It is the thing of the past.
-- Checkgoats2010 ( talk) 16:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Dear All The article is having some great mistakes
1. Ahmadi is NOT a Muslim, in Islamic Shariat they are Murtid(a person who leaves Islam after accepting Islam). A murtid is worse than a kafir(a person who does not accept Islam) because he/she has left The True Path after finding it.
2. Ahmadi is a threat to Islam as they represent themselves as Muslim to the people that are ignorant of this conspiracy, thus damaging the true sense of Islam. We at Pakistan are lucky that our Government has declared in the 1973 constitution 2nd Amendment “A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of The Prophethood of MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or religious reformer, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.” Ref: [[Media: [1]]
3. According to an ordinance issued in 1984, Ahmadis are forbidden to call themselves Muslims. This means that they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or call their places of worship mosques. Trespassing the ban is considered blasphemy and charges drastic penalties. You are thus requested to please remove this article and add another one with the name of “Chanabnagr” that is the true name of the city.
I pray that all ahmadi leave this religion and accept the Islam.
thanks Idrees Barlas
Dear who ever u r ( i hope u r not qadiani)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonenone4000 ( talk • contribs) 08:02, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Dear sir, In Rabwah article i noticed a mistake. Population of the city is written twice (contrary to each other), in the city box on right side of the page and in the begining of article. I want you to make it right. the exact figure is (as far as i know) 70,000 in the year 2003.
Thanking you, Navid Ahmad
The article has lots of mistakes, for example its name. The correct name of the city is Chenab nager. I hope this will be corrected , so that people can get the correct information. Shearsaved2000 ( talk) 18:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Dear All The article is having some great mistakes
1. Ahmadi is NOT a Muslim, in Islamic Shariat they are Murtid(a person who leaves Islam after accepting Islam). A murtid is worse than a kafir(a person who does not accept Islam) because he/she has left The True Path after finding it.
2. Ahmadi is a threat to Islam as they represent themselves as Muslim to the people that are ignorant of this conspiracy, thus damaging the true sense of Islam. We at Pakistan are lucky that our Government has declared in the 1973 constitution 2nd Amendment “A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of The Prophethood of MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or religious reformer, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.” Ref: [[Media: [2]]
3. According to an ordinance issued in 1984, Ahmadis are forbidden to call themselves Muslims. This means that they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or call their places of worship mosques. Trespassing the ban is considered blasphemy and charges drastic penalties. You are thus requested to please remove this article and add another one with the name of “Chanabnagr” that is the true name of the city.
I pray that all ahmadi leave this religion and accept the Islam.
thanks Idrees Barlas
Dear who ever u r ( i hope u r not qadiani)
S. G. A shah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.80.19 ( talk) 12:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
dear sir,i want to inform you with some more information.it is the city with largest per person use of bicycle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.154.252.137 ( talk) 10:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I want to inform you that no city named as Rabwah exists. The new name is "Chenab Naqar" so please change it. Secondly all the religious places of a non-muslim community are added in mosques section. Kindly remove them all from mosques section as according to the law of Islamic Republic of Pakistan the religious place of any non-muslim community cannot be called as a mosque. Erfaan —Preceding comment was added at 22:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
The "official" name of the town this article refers to is "Chenab Nagar". It is however still widely referred to as "Rabwa". Any encyclopedic article on "Rabwa" has to mention this alternative name. The reference to the name change is supported by a citation - hence I am restoring this information. Please discuss your concerns regarding this issue before making more changes. Thank you. Nazli 03:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I have requested page protection [3] c/o repeated deletion of the reference to Chenab Nagar.
History of vandalism:
[4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23]
Nazli ( talk) 05:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
It's clear from the comments above, that the name of this place touches on an extremely divisive issue (Ahmadis versus mainstream Muslims who consider them heretical). I suggest hoisting this dispute from the Talk page into the article itself.
This page needs broader coverage of this issue, and somebody needs to determine the correctness of the article name: the vast majority of the inhabitants are Ahmadis who overwhelmingly consider the town's name to be "Rabwah", while the government gazetted the town's name as "Chenab Nagar". I seem to recall that officially gazetted names for towns should be used primarily, but I may be wrong!
The article should place this disagreement in the broader context of the mullah's extreme hostility to the Ahmadis in Pakistan, anti-Ahmadiyya policies of the Pakistani government (which, in itself, deserves an entire article in its own right) and the consequent political and religious persecution resulting.
Article should mention the occasional pogroms carried out, by various extremist religious activists against the townsfolk in Rabwah/Chenab Nagar.
Commenters are reminded to behave themselves, and stick to the Talk page guidelines governing unacceptable behaviour.
MrUpsetter ( talk) 04:08, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I find following words used in your message very much offending to Pakistn and Islam:
from what you have written it seems that we are killing, beating, arresting Qadianis by dozens on daily basis. Beating them to convert back to Islam.
But I am living in Pakistan. I do not see anything like this. The are freely working in all parts of country. They are living happy life. thea are allowed to worship. A gather in great number at their worship place (at Banazeer Bhutto road(old Murree road) here in center Rawalpindi) on friday.Same type of gathering are done in all cities of Pakistan.If I meet a Christian I know by his/her name that he/she is Christian, or otherwise he will tell me.But Qadianis always hide their identity, their names are also same as we Muslims have.
We are having bomb blasts and firing 3-4 times a week here, but not one incedent has yet happened at any of Qadiani worship place.
Many people have died in terrorist attacks on mosques, schools, offices universities, but not a single Qadiani worship place, Qadiani residence, Qadiani Bussiness or Qadiani Asset has been targeted.
Then I wonder why are you using these kind of words. I think you must have gone though some of qadiani websits and literature.Unfortunately there is no counter propoganda againts these on internet.
On the other hand the qadianis are well organised group of people, who are slowly expanding there religion. The now reside in all prts of our country. the go to the area where they can propogate their religion easily, The people of the area usually do not know about their religion. They think that the newcommers are some very educated muslims and thus get inspired by them and convert to Qadiani.
Kindly see both aspects before using
Shearsaved2000 (
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18:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I want to say many name of mosque to Write heir you are forget .For exempel 1 Noor Mosque 2 masroor Mosque —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.199.92.204 ( talk) 14:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
There is no city of name rabwah in Pakistan , the coordinates given leads to the location that is called Chanabnagar. If somebody in Pakistan differs with this he is challenging the Authority of the State, the same state that feeds him.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.134.114 ( talk) 08:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Dear DMack it is not necessary that Google Earth or other map sites give the correct information, you should look for some of Pakistan Governoment site
1.
Pakistan Post click "Complete List of Post Codes of All Post Offices"
2.
Pakistan Railways See if you can find any station by the name of rabwah but there sure is a station named Chenab Nager
Both of these links are from the official sites of Governoment of Pakistan and gives the name as Chenab Nager.
I hope the article name will be changed and its contents will also be revised to depict the true face of qadianis(or ahmadis, as they wrongly call themselves.)
I will also lauch a complaint against the wrong information on google earth and other map sites you mentioned , thanks for bringing their faults to my notice
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Oftenalert2000 (
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18:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi All,
I am not going to tolerated any hate materials by:
1. Muslims against Qadyanis. 2. Qadyanis against Muslims.
Please do not begin your edit-wars here. Keep wikipedia netural and as facts. I am watching this page permanently.
Thanks YawarSid ( talk) 18:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
DearMack
It is good that abusive materaial is deleted from the article and the discussion.But you are giving the wrong name , the city name is Chnabnager.
As I searched for "Bombay" I was redirected to "Mumbai", I searched for "Madras", I was redirected to "Channai", I searched for "Banaras" I was redirected to "Varansi" Why?, because these are the official and guzetted names of the cities, thus these articles are having the correct names.
Now when I search for Chanabnager, I am redirected to Rabwah. Why??
Now I and the muslims are offended by this. I feel that this is vandalism.
Why is Wikipedia not using the official name of the city?
Why is Wikipedia supporting the group of people that are naming the city against the Govenoment of Pakistan(which some of the users are taunting against)?
Now I hope that you will change the Name of the article to Chnabnager. If this is not done I will be forced to boubt about the neutral stance of Wikipedia.
Nonenone4000 (
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Nonenone4000 (
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07:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I propose to merge this article into the article Chenab Nagar. Rabwah will then redirect to Chenab Nagar. Reason is that this city lies in Pakistan and Pakistan Government changed its name to Chenab Nagar in 1998. yasirniazkhan ( talk) 16:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I am in agreement with you yasir. Basically we can make Chenab Nagar as primary article and make Rabwah as a permanent redirect to it. My vote for it. YawarSid ( talk) 15:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I support merger since it sounds like the two are about the same topic. However, "official name" is one of the least important reasons to pick the ultimate location of that merged article. However, assuming the merger is done carefully (i.e., retaining all information from both), I do not care which target is chosen at this time as I will start a formal request for move to gain wider consensus and others' input regardless of the place the merger is done. DMacks ( talk) 17:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I also vote for naming this article as Chenab Nagar and redirecting the Rabwah to it.Abulfazl 18:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 17:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I vote for Chenab Nagar. Rabwah is not a religious name and has nothing to do with the Ahmadi faith. The government has changed names of many cities and still changes them just like other governments (India, etc.). I have already given multiple examples supporting this move. yasirniazkhan ( talk) 15:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I propose to merge this article into the article Chenab Nagar. Rabwah will then redirect to Chenab Nagar. Reason is that this city lies in Pakistan and Pakistan Government changed its name to Chenab Nagar in 1998 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.186.130.166 ( talk) 13:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
As suggested by DMacs the widely known and used name for the city is "Rabwah" and the widely used name by its residents and the local area ! So i would vote for the article name and title to remain Rabwah ! and chenabanagar should be redirected here -- EhsanAhmad ( talk) 16:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I would vote for the article name and title to remain Rabwah. Actually the change of city name to Chenab Nagar was against the wish of its residents and was actually to hurt Ahmadies residing in the city.
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User: IjazAhmad —Preceding
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70.64.125.145 (
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02:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely agreed ! the name change has its political reasons and to make the residents who are mostly ahmadis feel like they don't actually own or live in the city and the name change actually represents that the government doesn't recognize ahmadis as residents of the city and they dont have any right to vote or express their wishes or feelings upon the decisions takes by the government ! -- EhsanAhmad ( talk) 14:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
The name of the article should be Chenab Nagar. As far as I know the qadianis keep themselve away from the acts done by Pakistan Governoment. They usualy have their own plans. By the way Chenab nager remaind a fortress for qadianis for quite some time and a state within the state is unacceptable to any country. I again request the name change of the article and revision of its contents as per the facts. -- Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 18:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I love rabwah Fafaahmad ( talk) 09:56, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was not done. I do not see consensus here for a move, but feel free to relist this request if further discussion would be beneficial. Skomorokh 08:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Rabwah → ??? — Formalizing a long-term talk-page dispute over the correct name for this article. DMacks ( talk) 08:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I you want, you can name any store(of any kind) Rabwah outside Pakistan, But thereis no city by this name in Pakistan. I wonder if the admin cares about the correctness of info on this web site or they are just enjoying the discussion. and please do not delete myrequest for move.Let the people know the true name of the city. -- Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 18:07, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Rabwah → Chenabnagar — The city name is chenabnager now for the last 11 years and the article should show the right name of the city. Oftenalert2000 ( talk) 17:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
As it has already been noticed that the city name is no more rabwah but it is Chanabnagar, I request the admins to change the name of city to Chenabnager ASAP. -- Brushturn2000 ( talk) 06:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
There is no city by the name rabwah in Pakistan, the given coordinates clearly refers to Chenabnager. this is just political movement of qadianis against Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Muslims of the world. This is further clear from the following websites in the so called refence section of the artile.
I really wonder if wikipedia is helping qadianis to propogate their religon against Islam?????
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Brushturn2000 (
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15:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
All other religious malarkey aside, there are significant issues in this article that need to be addressed.
1- The majority of the article is written like a list which need to be converted to prose. If sufficient information is not available then those sections need to be removed. Case in point I am really not sure that we need to list every single one of the mosques located in the city. Instead we should have more detail on Mubarik and Aqsa mosque and just note that the city has an unusually high number of mosques per person.
2- Things to do section should be removed
3- Bazaars should be removed or changed into Commerce with removal of unwanted information and additional mention of main commercial throughfares in lieu of just listing two markets and adding a library and a mosque into the mix.
thanks Jim Logan Howlett ( talk) 00:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I had removed "Rabwah Times" from infobox as well as from the "publications" section before because IT IS NOT an official website of Rabwah/or Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. As it says itself on its twitter account: "Rabwah Times is an Independent publication and is not affilaited with #Ahmadiyya Muslim Community" [1] It is an independent online website and has no purpose to be mentioned on this page. I am removing it from both sites once again. If you have any argument please discuss here before adding it back. Thanx Sohebbasharat ( talk) 10:54, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
References
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/RRTA/2011/250.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=rabwah.net http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/RRTA/2011/402.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=rabwah.net http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/RRTA/2010/689.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=rabwah.net http://www.ecoi.net/file_upload/1997_1297690248_pak36722.pdf LAST PAGE References http://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/resources/Pakistan%20Factsheet%20July%202013%20FINAL.pdf#page=32 PAGE 32 LINE # 4
Meanwhile the social media reach is now 10,000 (8,000 facebook + 2,000 twitter). FYI everything thats in Rabwah or related to Rabwah is not under the control of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and Al-Fazal is not even a newspaper its a religious periodical. I believe a lot of the users are upset on the use of the word rabwah in the website. Why it needs to be mention because its a local rabwah based startup sameway. A newspaper does not just represent views of a one community or organization. So please stop venting out your personal feelings on wikipedia. EhsanAhmad ( talk) 09:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
I see that the flickr gallery in the "external links" section has some nice pictures of rabwah. If the owners can release their rights, i can make a montage of those pictures and place it in the infobox. Like for example in the Lahore article: /info/en/?search=Lahore Sohebbasharat ( talk) 15:56, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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