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Today, Ra.One officially entered the list of longest Wikipedia pages, and is currently residing at Rank 963. Note that this may go up further. Good news or bad news, that's up to others to decide. Cheers. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 17:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
But there are repetition of information. For example, under cast section, Khan was the first actor to be approached by Sinha, despite the fact that Sinha had never met Khan before. Khan performed the stunts in the film on his own Khan faced considerable difficulty while filming. His character required him to apply prosthetic makeup for over eight hours a day, making consumption of food and water difficult. Besides this, he also suffered severe discomfort with his superhero suit. Subsequently, he lost ten kilos of weight at the end of filming... parts of this information has been repeated under post-production and "costume". This is absolutely unnecessary, and leads me to doubt what Ankit says above (that summarizing would delete information).
Besides, many parts read choppy, and like mere accumulation of trivia. Some parts lack transition. Let's consider this, again from the same "cast" section. The protagonist of the game Ra.One, a deadpan character named G.One, is modeled on Shekhar. Khan was the first actor to be approached by Sinha, despite the fact that Sinha had never met Khan before. Khan performed the stunts in the film on his own. Three consecutive sentences in the same paragraph, without any link, any transition!!! The article needs summarizing and copyedit. But the prospect of copyediting itself is quite frightening due to the size :) -- Dwaipayan ( talk) 15:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
According to the producers, the time was chosen to show the symbolism between Ra.One and the mythological villain Ravana (of the Ramayana), both of whom were "equally bad". Due to technical problems, the character's appearance was revealed in the film's final theatrical trailer and received a positive reception.
Did not get it. What was the effect of the technical problem? They could not release it during Dussera? Or, the look got leaked by chance in a trailer or something?-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 16:28, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Martin Walsh is listed in the "Editorial Department" at IMDb, although his role is as an "editor". This is unusual, and is different than having a listing as a co-editor. In the present article he is listed along with Sharma as one of two editors. Can someone clarify whether IMDb is in error, or whether a small correction is needed here? Cheers, Easchiff ( talk) 18:52, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Clarified comments will be struck out.
Read the "Filming" subsection of "Production". Following are the comments.
Regards.-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 22:15, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
There had been an important reference in The Week, which was originally available here. Right now the entire article has vanished, much to my dismay since a wealth of information had been in it. The loss of this reference spurred me to archive references, and as of now all references (barring a few such as IMDb references) have been archived. But I'm thinking about the lost info: I am hoping to replace it with other sources which contain the info, even if in piecemeal format.
Here's the info lost :-
"The visual effects also involved location replication, as several environments had to be recreated in studio. The team spent several hours taking photographs of locations which would be used later; for the action scene at Battersea Power Station, the crew took 3,000 photographs so as to recreate it using CGI. To recreate a 150-foot tall building which Khan climbs during the scene, a digital pre-visualization was created for each frame; based on the requirement, 3D models were created which served as a key for the design of indoor sets. Khan and Rampal filmed the scene in Croma, which was then superimposed on the power station's CGI replica and subsequently matched with the pre-visualization."
"Pecorini faced considerable difficulty on the film sets, which was further aggravated by his lack of experience on Bollywood films. He said that he had been "cheated" into working on the film when he was told that it was in English. Pecorini called the
experience "like nothing he had ever imagined before", and described Ra.One as a "soup with too many ingredients". A lack of
storyboarding,
property masters and
call sheets proved to be problematic; additionally, he was surprised at the low proportion of sequences with respect to the film's running time. Nine cameras were handled by 79 crew members, many of whom were unaware of the working of the other cameras. This resulted in communication with multiple crew members, making the cinematography take six times the usual time of filming."
" Martin Walsh was assigned as the film's editor. Walsh was present with the crew for over four weeks, responsible for editing all the chase and action sequences. He initially faced an "incredulous response" when he suggested that musical numbers be integrated into the story flow, but later expressed great satisfaction with his experience on the film."
"
Pre-production work began in November 2007 after the release of
Om Shanti Om (2007). Kanika Dhillon began the script-writing process by taking notes and having discussions at Mannat (Khan's residence), over a year prior to the start of principal photography. Dhillon noted the descriptive and visual nature of the script, commenting, "With each scene, we were discovering the beauty and horror of the superpowers they were equipped with. In a way, the script defined the characters and the extent of their larger-than-life appeal." Khan, not wishing to alienate audiences, wanted a superhero that people would identify with."
"The action scene involving the Mumbai local train was filmed partially indoors; other portions had to be filmed on real running trains. The indoor portions were filmed on two replicas of a train coach which were built in five days, a process stunt co-ordinator Andy Gill initially thought would take three weeks. A glitch occurred during indoor filming, as the train and track length ended up being the same, making any movement impossible. A six-car train had to be arranged and the sequence was filmed outdoors despite other trains running nearby. Initially, the scene was supposed to show Khan running on top of the train. However, the trains were electric instead of diesel, forcing an on-the-spot change of the sequence."
"In addition, a malfunction occurred in Khan's suit which required three months to fix."
I endear other editors to help me in salvage this lost information from other reliable sources. I don't say we can salvage all of it, but we can try. Some parts of the lost info is already available in certain places, so the replacement can happen soon. I hope other editors can take up some time to do this. Thanks, and cheers. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 15:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, I guess fortune favors us, at least partially. My help desk request has succeeded; a cache of the original article is available! You can see it here. But there's an unfortunate catch: the said cache may also disappear at any time. Can anybody help me overcome this problem? ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 13:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I checking the images on Secret of Success' request
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Overall summary is good. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 10:33, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Is "this". and "this". sources are reliable?-- Plea$ant 1623 14:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
In the best interests of the article (and to protect it from rabid vandals of both kinds) it would be best to leave out the budget and gross figures from the infobox. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 14:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The map highlighted Andhra Pradesh for Telugu release and Tamil Nadu for Tamil release. But the text says it shows Tamil Nadu and Kerala. Someone with poor Indian geography knowledge must have updated this. Please change the state name from Kerala to Andhra Pradesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefixer8 ( talk • contribs) 15:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Following the closure without comment of the formal peer review, I was asked by the principal editor if I could provide some comments on the text before the article's submission to FAC. Well, here goes:-
That, I'm afraid, is all I have time for. As I said, not a complete review, but hopefully some helpful comments. Brianboulton ( talk) 15:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
More:
Stardust is very similar to Filmfare actually (and I have read both). Gossip is a perennial part of entertainment magazines, so that stuff should be taken with some salt. If you ever see sentences like "All the latest gossip and juicy tidbits about silver screen stars in our magazine" ... well, I hope you get the picture :D. I have added that the overuse bit was according to the film's cinematographer. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 17:13, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm starting to think that the hatnote isn't really needed. After all, I don't think anyone would type "Ra.One", expecting to land up in "Raavan". Thoughts? Lynch 7 17:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I was asked to look at this for the FAC, which I see has been closed - sorry for the delay. Here are a few comments for improvement from my initial look at the article.
Hope this help, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:20, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Try to avoid labels such as antagonist/protagonist as per WP:FILMCAST
Try to avoid indexical terminology such as “domestic” and “international as MOS:FILM#Box office. This is relative to where the reader is located
Try to avoid words such as “notably” and other puffery as per WP:PEACOCK.
Very few things are “universal”. Try alternative phrasing such as “widely regarded” or something on those lines
Some of the language is stilted or grammatically incorrect. I have listed the worst offenders below, but ideally the article needs a good copy edit. You can file a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, but make sure you make it clear your intention is to eventually submit it for a FA assessment.
Not a requirement, but here a couple of non-regular phrases that would be served well by a wikilink:
This is the weakest section for me and could do with a bit of further work. The problem is that it just repeats what critics are saying rather than providing insight into their comments. One example: “The visual effects received near-universal praise, though dissenting opinions stated that they were "all over the place"”. What did they praise about the effects, and why did some think they were “all over place”? This section tells us what critics said, but there is no context for this statement. I get no sense of what was right or wrong with the film here, and I would expect the critical reception to be more comprehensive in a featured article: not more quotes, but more exposition.
A couple of other points:
WP:UNDUE; the purpose of the section is to review the film, not review the reviews.
You touch on overseas reception, but don't really tell us how the foreign reception differed from the Indian reception, and on the surface it seems to have reviewed much more favorably with foreign critics.
The lead should match up to sourced claims in the body of the article, but these details are missing from the box office section.
Betty Logan ( talk) 21:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Good evening this is Jin. Respected sir, i want to make a small change in Ra.One's page. Sir, from past few days i want to make an edit for language. The film's secondary language is English. Because the film is filmed in London and Khan and Tom Wu conversate much in English. And mostly in conversation has English lines. But sir my edits get revert each time. I just want to add the Language out there. Hope you understand. Thanks TekkenJinKazama ( talk) 14:42, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
As per i saw the article, the main issue was the film's language. User:Kailash29792 stated that film has only Hindi language. But finally i examined the history i came to this point that language English be added. To this point, the edit must not be reverted. mall ( talk) 12:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
As this seems to be consistently missed, please read how the {{ Infobox film}} documentation says to use the language parameter.
“ | Insert the language primarily used in the film. Databases often give every language spoken within the film, even if they only reflect a few lines in the overall script. The BBFC website is a good resource for the main language used in the film. | ” |
And since it's been mentioned, here the Ra.One entry on BBFC. I will be adding this as a source for the primary language Hindi only. If you wish to add another language, please make sure the source specifically notes that other language as a PRIMARY language of the film. Anything else is a mis-use of the parameter or a mis-use of the source. Ravensfire ( talk) 17:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 |
Today, Ra.One officially entered the list of longest Wikipedia pages, and is currently residing at Rank 963. Note that this may go up further. Good news or bad news, that's up to others to decide. Cheers. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 17:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
But there are repetition of information. For example, under cast section, Khan was the first actor to be approached by Sinha, despite the fact that Sinha had never met Khan before. Khan performed the stunts in the film on his own Khan faced considerable difficulty while filming. His character required him to apply prosthetic makeup for over eight hours a day, making consumption of food and water difficult. Besides this, he also suffered severe discomfort with his superhero suit. Subsequently, he lost ten kilos of weight at the end of filming... parts of this information has been repeated under post-production and "costume". This is absolutely unnecessary, and leads me to doubt what Ankit says above (that summarizing would delete information).
Besides, many parts read choppy, and like mere accumulation of trivia. Some parts lack transition. Let's consider this, again from the same "cast" section. The protagonist of the game Ra.One, a deadpan character named G.One, is modeled on Shekhar. Khan was the first actor to be approached by Sinha, despite the fact that Sinha had never met Khan before. Khan performed the stunts in the film on his own. Three consecutive sentences in the same paragraph, without any link, any transition!!! The article needs summarizing and copyedit. But the prospect of copyediting itself is quite frightening due to the size :) -- Dwaipayan ( talk) 15:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
According to the producers, the time was chosen to show the symbolism between Ra.One and the mythological villain Ravana (of the Ramayana), both of whom were "equally bad". Due to technical problems, the character's appearance was revealed in the film's final theatrical trailer and received a positive reception.
Did not get it. What was the effect of the technical problem? They could not release it during Dussera? Or, the look got leaked by chance in a trailer or something?-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 16:28, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Martin Walsh is listed in the "Editorial Department" at IMDb, although his role is as an "editor". This is unusual, and is different than having a listing as a co-editor. In the present article he is listed along with Sharma as one of two editors. Can someone clarify whether IMDb is in error, or whether a small correction is needed here? Cheers, Easchiff ( talk) 18:52, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Clarified comments will be struck out.
Read the "Filming" subsection of "Production". Following are the comments.
Regards.-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 22:15, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
There had been an important reference in The Week, which was originally available here. Right now the entire article has vanished, much to my dismay since a wealth of information had been in it. The loss of this reference spurred me to archive references, and as of now all references (barring a few such as IMDb references) have been archived. But I'm thinking about the lost info: I am hoping to replace it with other sources which contain the info, even if in piecemeal format.
Here's the info lost :-
"The visual effects also involved location replication, as several environments had to be recreated in studio. The team spent several hours taking photographs of locations which would be used later; for the action scene at Battersea Power Station, the crew took 3,000 photographs so as to recreate it using CGI. To recreate a 150-foot tall building which Khan climbs during the scene, a digital pre-visualization was created for each frame; based on the requirement, 3D models were created which served as a key for the design of indoor sets. Khan and Rampal filmed the scene in Croma, which was then superimposed on the power station's CGI replica and subsequently matched with the pre-visualization."
"Pecorini faced considerable difficulty on the film sets, which was further aggravated by his lack of experience on Bollywood films. He said that he had been "cheated" into working on the film when he was told that it was in English. Pecorini called the
experience "like nothing he had ever imagined before", and described Ra.One as a "soup with too many ingredients". A lack of
storyboarding,
property masters and
call sheets proved to be problematic; additionally, he was surprised at the low proportion of sequences with respect to the film's running time. Nine cameras were handled by 79 crew members, many of whom were unaware of the working of the other cameras. This resulted in communication with multiple crew members, making the cinematography take six times the usual time of filming."
" Martin Walsh was assigned as the film's editor. Walsh was present with the crew for over four weeks, responsible for editing all the chase and action sequences. He initially faced an "incredulous response" when he suggested that musical numbers be integrated into the story flow, but later expressed great satisfaction with his experience on the film."
"
Pre-production work began in November 2007 after the release of
Om Shanti Om (2007). Kanika Dhillon began the script-writing process by taking notes and having discussions at Mannat (Khan's residence), over a year prior to the start of principal photography. Dhillon noted the descriptive and visual nature of the script, commenting, "With each scene, we were discovering the beauty and horror of the superpowers they were equipped with. In a way, the script defined the characters and the extent of their larger-than-life appeal." Khan, not wishing to alienate audiences, wanted a superhero that people would identify with."
"The action scene involving the Mumbai local train was filmed partially indoors; other portions had to be filmed on real running trains. The indoor portions were filmed on two replicas of a train coach which were built in five days, a process stunt co-ordinator Andy Gill initially thought would take three weeks. A glitch occurred during indoor filming, as the train and track length ended up being the same, making any movement impossible. A six-car train had to be arranged and the sequence was filmed outdoors despite other trains running nearby. Initially, the scene was supposed to show Khan running on top of the train. However, the trains were electric instead of diesel, forcing an on-the-spot change of the sequence."
"In addition, a malfunction occurred in Khan's suit which required three months to fix."
I endear other editors to help me in salvage this lost information from other reliable sources. I don't say we can salvage all of it, but we can try. Some parts of the lost info is already available in certain places, so the replacement can happen soon. I hope other editors can take up some time to do this. Thanks, and cheers. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 15:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, I guess fortune favors us, at least partially. My help desk request has succeeded; a cache of the original article is available! You can see it here. But there's an unfortunate catch: the said cache may also disappear at any time. Can anybody help me overcome this problem? ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 13:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I checking the images on Secret of Success' request
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Overall summary is good. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 10:33, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Is "this". and "this". sources are reliable?-- Plea$ant 1623 14:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
In the best interests of the article (and to protect it from rabid vandals of both kinds) it would be best to leave out the budget and gross figures from the infobox. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 14:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The map highlighted Andhra Pradesh for Telugu release and Tamil Nadu for Tamil release. But the text says it shows Tamil Nadu and Kerala. Someone with poor Indian geography knowledge must have updated this. Please change the state name from Kerala to Andhra Pradesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefixer8 ( talk • contribs) 15:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Following the closure without comment of the formal peer review, I was asked by the principal editor if I could provide some comments on the text before the article's submission to FAC. Well, here goes:-
That, I'm afraid, is all I have time for. As I said, not a complete review, but hopefully some helpful comments. Brianboulton ( talk) 15:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
More:
Stardust is very similar to Filmfare actually (and I have read both). Gossip is a perennial part of entertainment magazines, so that stuff should be taken with some salt. If you ever see sentences like "All the latest gossip and juicy tidbits about silver screen stars in our magazine" ... well, I hope you get the picture :D. I have added that the overuse bit was according to the film's cinematographer. ~*~ Ankit Bhatt~*~ 17:13, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm starting to think that the hatnote isn't really needed. After all, I don't think anyone would type "Ra.One", expecting to land up in "Raavan". Thoughts? Lynch 7 17:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I was asked to look at this for the FAC, which I see has been closed - sorry for the delay. Here are a few comments for improvement from my initial look at the article.
Hope this help, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:20, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Try to avoid labels such as antagonist/protagonist as per WP:FILMCAST
Try to avoid indexical terminology such as “domestic” and “international as MOS:FILM#Box office. This is relative to where the reader is located
Try to avoid words such as “notably” and other puffery as per WP:PEACOCK.
Very few things are “universal”. Try alternative phrasing such as “widely regarded” or something on those lines
Some of the language is stilted or grammatically incorrect. I have listed the worst offenders below, but ideally the article needs a good copy edit. You can file a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, but make sure you make it clear your intention is to eventually submit it for a FA assessment.
Not a requirement, but here a couple of non-regular phrases that would be served well by a wikilink:
This is the weakest section for me and could do with a bit of further work. The problem is that it just repeats what critics are saying rather than providing insight into their comments. One example: “The visual effects received near-universal praise, though dissenting opinions stated that they were "all over the place"”. What did they praise about the effects, and why did some think they were “all over place”? This section tells us what critics said, but there is no context for this statement. I get no sense of what was right or wrong with the film here, and I would expect the critical reception to be more comprehensive in a featured article: not more quotes, but more exposition.
A couple of other points:
WP:UNDUE; the purpose of the section is to review the film, not review the reviews.
You touch on overseas reception, but don't really tell us how the foreign reception differed from the Indian reception, and on the surface it seems to have reviewed much more favorably with foreign critics.
The lead should match up to sourced claims in the body of the article, but these details are missing from the box office section.
Betty Logan ( talk) 21:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Good evening this is Jin. Respected sir, i want to make a small change in Ra.One's page. Sir, from past few days i want to make an edit for language. The film's secondary language is English. Because the film is filmed in London and Khan and Tom Wu conversate much in English. And mostly in conversation has English lines. But sir my edits get revert each time. I just want to add the Language out there. Hope you understand. Thanks TekkenJinKazama ( talk) 14:42, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
As per i saw the article, the main issue was the film's language. User:Kailash29792 stated that film has only Hindi language. But finally i examined the history i came to this point that language English be added. To this point, the edit must not be reverted. mall ( talk) 12:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
As this seems to be consistently missed, please read how the {{ Infobox film}} documentation says to use the language parameter.
“ | Insert the language primarily used in the film. Databases often give every language spoken within the film, even if they only reflect a few lines in the overall script. The BBFC website is a good resource for the main language used in the film. | ” |
And since it's been mentioned, here the Ra.One entry on BBFC. I will be adding this as a source for the primary language Hindi only. If you wish to add another language, please make sure the source specifically notes that other language as a PRIMARY language of the film. Anything else is a mis-use of the parameter or a mis-use of the source. Ravensfire ( talk) 17:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)