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Hmm, I would call RSS (of whatever version) a file format, a document type, or an object model, but not a protocol.
68.14.170.144 Said they were confused about the article, swore, and was sarcastic. 210.187.3.130 posted wikispam here. What to do about this? I don't know, because I don't know who to contact to report stuff like this. Emailing first author of article. -- Mr alex hall 00:16, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Just edited the article, in the hope to make it a bit more concise, and user friendly. Removed some wrong information (RSS 1.0 is not a W3C standard) and the rather strong Userland bias. I also took the liberty to provide information on what RSS is good for before describing the gory details of how the mess that is now RSS came into existence. Finally i added some cross references to help people get more information. Hope this is helpful, Kusako 20 Feb 2005
In "Usage," added references to newspapers and wire services using RSS; moved up the reference to blogs using RSS for full text, not just summaries, and the relation of blogs to multimedia. Introduced the "syndication" concept earlier, trying to help explain the name. In "History," removed a "several months later" reference between 1.0 and .92, because no source was given and the documents the two references linked to mention the same month -- early and late December 2000. Let the who-came-first arguments go on elsewhere. Also defined "forked" for non-technical readers. I noticed that Winer's connection with Userland was not mentioned at all, so added that at the first reference to him and in the later section on transfer of the spec. And I tried to clarify the time sequence for 2.0 -- it was issued before the Harvard transfer. Also added Winer's departure from the advisory board.
Phew. Bstepno
Why no mention of RSS extensions for IE under "Usage?" That is really not helpful to someone trying to find that in particular. Rhodomontade
Can someone please add a section that explains why RSS is interesting? While the technical details are helpful in understanding the "how," non-techies may want to know the why first. Thanks, Throbblefoot 19:27, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have a NPOV concern about the following passage from the usage section: "As the mainstream media attempts to realize the full potential of RSS, the new media is utilizing RSS by bypassing traditional news sources. Consumers and journalists are now able to have news constantly fed to them instead of searching for it." Seems to be a dig at the "old media" on the part of a member of "the new media." Also, the second sentence seems far too much a plug. Not very encyclopedic... We are to inform, not to advocate. - 207.166.7.200, March 4, 2006.
I also think that we need to expand on Atom related info as well. for semi-techie users such as myself, the tussle between Atom and RSS 'specifications' is of historical significance ( Article: (Guardian.com) RSS and Atom peace proposal), especially with most sites starting for offer both the feeds.
More info on AtomEnabled Alliance
-- Mayuresh Kadu (India) 03:53, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
List of news aggregators was a web directory so I have added it here. It is good work, well done and well worth it, and is similar to the EL's at BitTorrent, SqueakBox 20:18, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
Anyone know of plans for Wikipedia to support RSS? I would love to be able to access my watchlist via RSS. -- Dan East 00:19, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
An interesting idea, but with 2,800+ articles watched personally it would be hopelessly impractical. Suggest it somewhere at the Wikipedia:Village pump, SqueakBox 00:23, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
Of course one could always set up a much smaller watchlist on a dormant sock account. The more I think about it the more I like it, though it might make edit wars more fraught than they often already are, SqueakBox 15:10, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
I just had the same idea of having an RSS feed of my watchlist. It would be a very nice idea to follow up on violators and act quickly to revert those violations. Is it allowed to have a script that downloads my watchlist on the hour to transform that into my very own rss feed? -- Anthony Liekens 09:04, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
RSS is very exciting; I will contribute here if I can. I was wondering, though, where would be a good place to make suggestions here? It would be incredible if watchlists could be made into RSS feeds! -lydgate (moved from top)
Suggestion: it would be neat if Wikipedia had a feed that, each day, linked to the top 5 searched-for articles the previous day. (moved from top)
I don't know when this happened, but apparently Wikipedia articles are now RSS-enabled! [2] And Atom-enabled too! Note that you have to go to the article's History page in order to find this feature, though. betsythedevine 19:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
"Speaking of RSS, here's my read on what happened. (I wasn't directly involved.) A group of people involved in RSS got together to start thinking about its future evolution. Dave was part of the group. When the consensus of the group turned in a direction he didn't like, Dave stopped participating, and characterized it as a plot by O'Reilly to take over RSS from him, despite the fact that Rael Dornfest of O'Reilly was only one of about a dozen authors of the proposed RSS 1.0 spec, and that many of those who were part of its development had at least as long a history with RSS as Dave had. The only connection I can see is that the O'Reilly Network ran a series of ads on our sites promoting its stories about the RSS 1.0 spec (just as it promotes other stories on O'Reilly Network sites). Dave never approached me directly to express a point of view such as 'I think the RSS spec is going in the wrong direction. Is there anything you can do to help get my point of view across to the other developers?' Instead, the first I heard of it was a series of public accusations that my company was leading a conspiracy to steal 'Dave's' standard." Tim O'Reilly 9/20/2000 Source —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deodar ( talk • contribs) 29 September 2005
User:Bastawhiz has created a stupid duplicate article " What's RSS?". I don't think there are much useful information, but feel free to merge it, if needed. -- minghong 03:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm uncomfortable with this sentance under "History":
This version became known as RSS 0.9. It was basically a clone of Channel Definition Format, with a few key differences: it wasn't published by a Microsoft employee, so it wasa a lot better.
Sounds to me like a dig at Microsoft. Doesn't seem very NPOV or encylopedic to me. What does everyone else think? - Robert
I'm starting a new website and I'm wondering if I should use RSS. How do I do it? -- Gbleem 17:20, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been running all over the web looking for RSS creation/aggregator tools over the past few weeks and I've just about driven myself crazy. Making RSS feeds doesn't seem to be the challenge--you simply write up an XML file in a particular format, of which there are thousands of samples available on the web, but everywhere I go this is the only information I can find.
The problem is how to display RSS feeds on your website, particularly PHP which seems to be the most common way. This issue is not addressed enough on the web and seems to be a gaping hole. For programmers who know PHP, probably not an issue, but what about the rest of us who can barely get by in HTML?
Somebody asked on this discussion why RSS? My answer is so I can display updated content on my website that updates itself automatically from the major news services, or any other content that is in RSS format for that matter. I'm sure I'm one of hundreds of thousands of people stuck trying to do the same thing.
For being Really Simple Syndication, RSS sure seems pretty complicated to display. There are sites that provide modules for getting RSS feeds to display on your website, but they are either buggy, or require knowledge of databases, or only explain what to do, not how to do, none of which I'm able to figure out. I've been to various feed-this feed-that sites, downloaded, implemented, tested, etc etc ---ALL TO NO AVAIL! (and I already run PHP pages on my site) Can anybody out there do a step-by-step write-up with sample PHP code showing the following:
1. Show how to call (or include) the XML feed 2. Show sample code on how to parse the XML file, where this code is supposed to be put, and can it be kept in a separate file 3. Show us the basic code for options we have to do the following things: headlines only, headlines with description, background/text/link color control, number of items in the feed.
I suppose caching in a database is the best way, but the best solution for programming newbies who don't have the time to learn PHP is just a simple step-by-step solution that allows us to get a feed displayed, then shows how to control the various options. In the long run this would help a lot of people get more familiar with programming. I welcome commentary. Thanks a lot. Glossika 17:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I know that this seems like nitpicking, but in the second line "RSS is used by (among other things) news websites," don't you think "news websites" should like to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_website instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website? I realise that it would mean changing the link to direct to a stub, but I still think it's for informative than the current choice of link a5y 11:04 09 March 2006 GMT
Please don't link to stubs, this is a lost of time for readers. Alcalazar 10:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not know what RSS feeds are. I feel that the article should include a simpler summary or maybe examples. -- Splendour 2:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone find the new section on future versions pointless (and almost incoherent)? And I question the need for a whole new example to illustrate "icon misuse". It seems that the main point could be incoporated into the history section and that whole passage deleted. I thought I would ask here instead of editing, though. Thoughts? · rodii · 14:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
RSS stands for Rich Site Summary, not "Really Simple Summary." But now that some moron has locked the article, I guess millions of people will be misinformed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.206.66 ( talk) 02:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
RSS is certainly not a file format or a protocol. if anything it is a standard for content delivery. why would somone who doesn't understand the article take it upon themselves to define the term? XML is not a file format either. if i can type a document in notepad that has XML or RSS structure, the file format is plain text. furthermore, RSS 0.91 doesn't even use XML Mahumphrey 06:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
The test reads "In August 2005, Israeli student Jonathan Avidan unilaterally launched a project to create "RSS 3"[10]. It failed to gain backing from anyone in the RSS industry."
If it's a one-man project from a non-notable individual that appears to have failed to gain any note, why do we bother mentioning it? Middenface 12:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I heavily redid the RSS intro a month ago to better explain web feeds, but now I realize that should all go under web feeds. However, it's important that users coming to this page find out what RSS is, and for most people, that means learning what web feeds are in general. Should it be left up to the user to think to follow the web feed link for more explanation? I'm thinking of putting a note to users that they probably will want to read web feed. Anyone aware of standard practice here?
I've handled the intro, but I think the rest of the page should be edited to put web feed info not specific to RSS in web feed.-- Apantomimehorse 01:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I have added a sentence that helps explain an RSS feed in very general terms. These do not contribute to the length of the article significantly. I added the sentences at the behest of a friend, because he visited the article before the addition and still had no idea what an RSS feed is. I feel it's bad practice to make encyclopedia articles too esoteric when an extra sentence or two can greatly clarify a subject.-- 24.13.242.3 07:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm removing these two lists from this article--there's no need to (partially) duplicate here information that much more fully available elsewhere: List of search engines, News aggregator, and Category:Blog search engines. Just as an example of why such lists don't belong here--somebody just created a list with only two "RSS search engines" on it, one of them Technorati, a blog search engine that does not rely on RSS search for its data. betsythedevine 13:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
A spam link that I removed from 'Other articles' last week has just come back (freshthinkingbusiness.com). It seems to me that a section as vaguely named as 'Other articles' will be an irresistible draw for bad links. If there were support for eliminating that section I'd try to rewrite all the useful material found there and incorporate it in the regular text of the article. EdJohnston 15:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Editors regularly clean out undiscussed links from this article. Please discuss here if you want a link not to be cleaned out regularly. ( You can help!) EdJohnston 04:18, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I have created an online RSS Reader that will parse basic RSS info into a table. Would that be an acceptable link to place here? The reader is free, and I am not a commercial site (nor do I host advertising). Kitoba 19:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I was going to a link to RSS @ W3 Schools, but saw that I should bring it up here first. W3 Schools (of which I'm only a fan, not affiliated) has a really great introduction/tutorial about RSS. Would it be okay if I added that? comment added by turbov21 23:29, April 30, 2007
Found an interesting article that I think would add to the topic. It's a beginners guide, and is well written and geared towards a non-technical audience. It's not a how-to for producing feeds, but focuses on how to use RSS yourself etc.
This is a very minor part, but I believe it should be edited. If you hover your mouse over the big feed icon, it says the icons is in IE 7 and Firefox. Shouldn't Opera be included (it is adapted in Opera)? Moronicles 21:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Who owns logo copyrights? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Feed-icon.svg
Is there any copyright infringment being made by this company: [3] using a variant on the RSS logo? I spotted it on one of their vehicles today and thought it was a bit wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.23.60.6 ( talk) 05:48, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
According to
http://blogs.msdn.com/rssteam/archive/2005/12/14/503778.aspx the icon image was released for general usage by everyone that supports RSS.
James thirteen (
talk)
19:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
A directory of links useful for finding an RSS feed reader for a chosen operating system (instead of linking various seperate readers). No, I am not affiliated, I merely came across this site on Yahoo Answers and thought it would be a very useful resource for anyone looking for a feed reader.
Would this not make a valid addition? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.136.196.109 ( talk • contribs) 15 November, 2006.
I copied here a discussion from User:Mushroom's talk page. I asked about the {{external links}} banner that he had put on the page. (It's the thing that says 'The external links for this article may require cleanup'. Please read the following and see if you agree that the two links should be removed. If no response, I'll do it in a couple of days, and remove the 'external links' banner at the same time. EdJohnston 18:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Well is it? It doesn't really add too the article, which talks about the RSS file format. iamthebob( talk| contribs) 22:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Although RSS wasn't originally intended for this purpose, it has very much been adopted by the podcasting community as a convenient method of syndicating audio content. Podcasts are continuing to increase in popularity, and podcast RSS feeds are already a significant percentage of all RSS feeds out there. The page should be altered to reflect that RSS no longer just syndicates "frequently updated pages, such as blogs or news feeds", but also publishes audio and video content, such as podcasts and vidcasts.
With this in mind, I've added a link to a very hard to find specification for the iTunes specification for podcast RSS feeds. Robert Rapplean 17:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
There is still stuff here from 2005, and there are comments about issues that are long gone. Does anyone object if I move old comments to an archive page? I would like to delete all the unsigned comments; they can be recovered from the page history if needed. I would not move any active threads. EdJohnston 22:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Came across this site TheJackyl.com after browsing digg.com. Definately a worthwhile resource for someone looking for the interworkings of RSS and an all in one RSS directory/reader. Tommyboy1985 01:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
By removing tutorials, you are wrong. Tutorial is the kind of link we have to add to the article. You should look at the body of the article itself that is full of external links and I believe there is some spams here we should carefully study. Jahowk 09:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Here is an interesting paper describing risks of using RSS and Atom feeds. http://www.cgisecurity.com/papers/HackingFeeds.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.121.176 ( talk) 14:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Social network is heavily based on RSS feeds and so, the connection is more than evident. But if you like to remove the link, this is not a real problem. Jahowk 10:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Please tell me if there are objections to removing all the new content added since 27 December. It looks to be mostly spam and adds little to the article. I particularly object to the silly 'Tutorials and References section', which has little to do with the RSS *file format*. Everyone in the world has a helpful site to tell you how RSS works, and usually to sell a bunch of stuff as well. If I'm the only one trying to keep this stuff out, I will turn the floor over to others. EdJohnston 20:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I will support you in this, Ed, SqueakBox 16:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Ed because it seems to me the latest edits are not encyclopedic, we dont need to teach people how to read or write RSS and I removed the refs section following our spam guidelines. While I might have left the rerst myself Ed has asked for opinions and this is mine (based on 2 years experience working here), SqueakBox 16:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm missing references to NewsML which is a format used by the major news organisations for distributing news. NewsML is adopted by the IPTC (International Press Telecommunications Council) while I do not think RSS is.
Here are some links:
NewsML web site
Some very few notes I've found that "compares" NewsML and RSS
I do not know much about the topic but it seems to me that NewsML maybe is more for the professional market (b2b) while RSS perhaps is targeted more at individuals. Maybe it does not make sense to compare the two at all?
John Clarigon
10:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Since the article has a history section, external links to RSS history either are used to prove the validity of the article, or are useless. My opinion is the two history links are references and should be moved in this section. Different advices? Jahowk 12:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
The material I removed is found word-for-word in a 22 December 2006 article by Ed Oswald, at [4], copyright 2006 BetaNews, Inc. If anyone wants to rewrite the section in their own words, they are welcome to. EdJohnston 03:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Do we want to keep the gigantic template that is added at the bottom of the article by the {{Podcasting}} template?
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Audio Podcasts •
Autocasting •
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On my screen it adds 2.8 inches to the length of the page. This template was added today by User:Ganfon. In my view, the 'Genres' are a particular waste of space, because many of these categories are empty. (Empty categories are at risk of deletion). Please discuss here if you have an opinion. Without a consensus here supporting the inclusion of the Podcasting template, I think it should be removed. EdJohnston 22:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed Genres as well as famous people. I removed generes based on the above disscussions, I removed famous people because many of them were not primerily known as podcasters, and the section took up a lot of room. I think the new version will work, so please leave some feedback. Gan fon 03:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
None of the citations in the section "RSS Creation" appear to verify Ramanathan V. Guha's authorship. (sorry for not posting this before, I got distracted after adding the tag) -- Random832( t c) 18:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The detailed early history of who invented what web syndication format element when has become a matter of interest and dispute. The same kind of problems cropping up in the article about Podcasting were largely solved when somebody created a separate article for History of podcasting. This seems like a possible solution here, so I moved (essentially copied) historical text from this article to History of web syndication technology. Another possible benefit of the change is that it should prevent a Wikipedia fork in the history, so that somebody with a new citation adds to info in this article but doesn't realize that an incorrect version still lurks in a different article. My intention is good, please don't flame me. Please discuss if you do or don't think the separate article is a good idea, and if so how much of the history from this article should get moved there. betsythedevine 14:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I have to say that this article is a disappointment. It explains how to read RSS feeds, then there are long parts about the history and incompatibilities, some other minor stuff and two bloated examples. Absolutely nothing on how to create an RSS feed! That's half of the whole concept anyway! I think the various XML-tags used in RSS files need to be described. The examples mean nothing when there are no explanations either. Also, are those files supposed to be done with Notepad or are there possibly dedicated editors? Automatic feed generators? How do you publish your feed? Do you need special server equipment, scripts, something else? -- ZeroOne ( talk | @) 16:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I have recommended merging Attention stream into RSS. Chevinki 01:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Usually when I know very little about a subject, I come to Wikipedia for a good overview. This article was disappointing.
How do the pieces fit together? Does the RSS reader typically poll the site providing the feed? Does the sitr providing the feed typically create the outgoing feed for each request, or cache it periodically? If my reader polls the feeding site periodically, how does it tell which items are new, and which were seen before? Are these even the right questions to be asking?
Instead, this article has a lot of history and arcana that I just don't care about right now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.174.140.32 ( talk) 18:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
You can convert your RSS / PodCast to PHP, and Javascript.
According to a this posting by an anonymous contributor on Talk:The Long Tail, this Google search brings up our RSS article as having the fourth-highest Google rank of any Wikipedia article. This could be an argument for someone to spend time improving the article! (See the original posting for the logic behing this claim). On the off-chance that the submitter's argument is correct, here are the top ten articles in Wikipedia:
EdJohnston 16:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Why do we have an internal link to RSS FAQ when the page does not exist in the further information section? I have removed this as it seems pointless if you can't read anymore about it.
Text currently states:
Effectively, this the format without an owner, just as it was becoming widely used.
Compare:
Pitifully, this dog without an owner, just as it was becoming widely appreciated.
Meaning? P0M 21:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The article currently states of RSS that "Effectively, this left the format without an owner, just as it was becoming widely used."
RSS does not lack an owner. Netscape created and named the protocol, and thus has the trademark rights and copyright associated with the format. It's more accurate to say that the absence of Netscape from active participation in RSS development left a vacuum that has made all future development of the format highly contentious, with different groups including UserLand Software, Harvard, the RSS Advisory Board and RSS-DEV Working Group each claiming the right to publish successive versions that sprang from either RSS 0.90 or RSS 0.91. Jamesdennis 15:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
This edit must be the one in which Dave Winer changed our RSS article, to replace the link to the Cadenhead version of the RSS 2.0 spec with the one hosted at Harvard that he favors. He commented on the situation here on his Scripting News blog. There has also been some discussion lately on various blogs as to what the difference is between the two warring specs. (Apparently not much; one comment is here). Certainly our policies allow Dave Winer or any other person who might be covered by an article to comment on the Talk page, so this comment (April 30) seems a little harsh:
Then I decided to look at the RSS page to see if it linked to the RSS 2.0 spec. It didn't, so I added a link. I haven't been back to see if that has been reverted. BTW, most of that page is worthless, things that never happened, Rove-like spin from god knows who. That's the thing about Wikipedia, it's a free-for-all slamfest, and you don't have a right to confront your accusers. Feh
EdJohnston 15:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank for for participating here. Atom is working its way through the IETF draft process. But my understanding is that no current version of RSS is issued by a standards organization, so we merely have two informal groups with competing documents. If your argument is found convincing by other Wikipedians, your document would at most be recognized as the 'official RSS spec of the RSS Advisory Board.' How would you be able to show that this is the world standard for the RSS spec? What about Dave Winer's copyright?
Perhaps you might have an opinion whether this question should make much difference to Wikipedia readers. See [5] for a recent blog post claiming that there is little difference between the RSS Board spec and Dave Winer's spec.
If you believe there's a significant difference, and if you could compose a sentence or two summarizing the differences, maybe a comment should be added to the article. EdJohnston 02:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
User:Ramir provided this explanation of his recent change to the article. For the full comment see User_talk:EdJohnston#XML_syntax_highlighting_on_RSS:
Yes, they installed a MediaWiki extension for highlighting of computer programming code: see bugzilla:7163. It is as official as wiki syntax is. And if you ask me how this works... well, it works very poorly (hideous colours, no inline option, ignorance of the standard wiki syntax et c.) To use it, just tag the code with <source lang="xml">...</source>, where "xml" could be some other programming/markup language of the many supported by the GeSHi extension. Ramir 09:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
EdJohnston 21:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I've merged a list of editors, which were on a separate page, but none of them seem notable; leastways not notable enough to have their own article. Do wee need them? Andy Mabbett 11:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Other people seem to have restored the separate article. I don't like the kind of list that includes every product of a certain kind that is on the market, which is what RSS editor constitutes. I think it's more reasonable to mention here in the RSS article that such programs exist, and perhaps give an example of one of them that's been externally reviewed, to illustrate the genre. If that were done I'd be happy to see the separate RSS editor article deleted. It puzzles me exactly what these things would be used for. Who wants to bother creating an RSS feed manually? It might be worth getting an explanation of what the actual need is. EdJohnston 21:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Some of this recent activity may be due to the fact that I removed the entire (apparently "new") "Editors" section earlier today. It was rapidly growing into a list of random "I can advertise my software here!" links. In theory, I don't mind a mention of these tools and one or two prominent example. In practice, however, it rarely works out that way without constant babysitting to remove the inevitable link spam. -- ElKevbo 21:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me if I've missed any discussion on this here or in the archive, but shouldn't the two aforementioned images (
and
)be included in the article? I realize that the Mozilla feed icon has replaced these symbols in many situations, but these were the original icons maintained, they are still plentiful out there, and they would add to the comprehensive nature of the article.
Craig R. Nielsen
19:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
When I check an RSS feed for updates I have to download ~1 KiB of data each time. If I check 10 feeds for updates once a minute, I waste a lot of bandwidth for downloading the exact same content. Is it possible to just download a little hash of the complete RSS feed data I would normally download? And then download the whole RSS feed data if my client notices that the hash has changed for that particular feed? I could not find any mention of this possibility neither in the article nor in this talk page. Tommy 09:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to remove GeoRSS from the See Also section of this article. While there is a GeoRSS article that claims that it is an 'emerging standard,' and it shows that Yahoo and Google provide some support for any RSS feeds that might use it, the article contains no third party references that show any widespread use of GeoRSS in published RSS freeds. There is no assertion that the GeoRSS proposal is on any standards track, at W3C or elsewhere. It seems to be the product of a small organization called the Open Geospatial Consortium. There is a roadmap, but it has no entries in it. Lacking more details, I argue that GeoRSS is only a proposal, and is not yet mainstream enough for the RSS article to link to it. Please comment if you have opinions on this. EdJohnston 14:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it would make much more sense if the two examples of the RSS feeds had the same content them, but in different formats (1.00 and 2.00, respectively). It would better show the differences between the two formats. MasterDragon 15:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
On my User Talk, Boffob left this comment about his reason for the Cleanup tag. EdJohnston 17:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
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Hmm, I would call RSS (of whatever version) a file format, a document type, or an object model, but not a protocol.
68.14.170.144 Said they were confused about the article, swore, and was sarcastic. 210.187.3.130 posted wikispam here. What to do about this? I don't know, because I don't know who to contact to report stuff like this. Emailing first author of article. -- Mr alex hall 00:16, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Just edited the article, in the hope to make it a bit more concise, and user friendly. Removed some wrong information (RSS 1.0 is not a W3C standard) and the rather strong Userland bias. I also took the liberty to provide information on what RSS is good for before describing the gory details of how the mess that is now RSS came into existence. Finally i added some cross references to help people get more information. Hope this is helpful, Kusako 20 Feb 2005
In "Usage," added references to newspapers and wire services using RSS; moved up the reference to blogs using RSS for full text, not just summaries, and the relation of blogs to multimedia. Introduced the "syndication" concept earlier, trying to help explain the name. In "History," removed a "several months later" reference between 1.0 and .92, because no source was given and the documents the two references linked to mention the same month -- early and late December 2000. Let the who-came-first arguments go on elsewhere. Also defined "forked" for non-technical readers. I noticed that Winer's connection with Userland was not mentioned at all, so added that at the first reference to him and in the later section on transfer of the spec. And I tried to clarify the time sequence for 2.0 -- it was issued before the Harvard transfer. Also added Winer's departure from the advisory board.
Phew. Bstepno
Why no mention of RSS extensions for IE under "Usage?" That is really not helpful to someone trying to find that in particular. Rhodomontade
Can someone please add a section that explains why RSS is interesting? While the technical details are helpful in understanding the "how," non-techies may want to know the why first. Thanks, Throbblefoot 19:27, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have a NPOV concern about the following passage from the usage section: "As the mainstream media attempts to realize the full potential of RSS, the new media is utilizing RSS by bypassing traditional news sources. Consumers and journalists are now able to have news constantly fed to them instead of searching for it." Seems to be a dig at the "old media" on the part of a member of "the new media." Also, the second sentence seems far too much a plug. Not very encyclopedic... We are to inform, not to advocate. - 207.166.7.200, March 4, 2006.
I also think that we need to expand on Atom related info as well. for semi-techie users such as myself, the tussle between Atom and RSS 'specifications' is of historical significance ( Article: (Guardian.com) RSS and Atom peace proposal), especially with most sites starting for offer both the feeds.
More info on AtomEnabled Alliance
-- Mayuresh Kadu (India) 03:53, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
List of news aggregators was a web directory so I have added it here. It is good work, well done and well worth it, and is similar to the EL's at BitTorrent, SqueakBox 20:18, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
Anyone know of plans for Wikipedia to support RSS? I would love to be able to access my watchlist via RSS. -- Dan East 00:19, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
An interesting idea, but with 2,800+ articles watched personally it would be hopelessly impractical. Suggest it somewhere at the Wikipedia:Village pump, SqueakBox 00:23, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
Of course one could always set up a much smaller watchlist on a dormant sock account. The more I think about it the more I like it, though it might make edit wars more fraught than they often already are, SqueakBox 15:10, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
I just had the same idea of having an RSS feed of my watchlist. It would be a very nice idea to follow up on violators and act quickly to revert those violations. Is it allowed to have a script that downloads my watchlist on the hour to transform that into my very own rss feed? -- Anthony Liekens 09:04, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
RSS is very exciting; I will contribute here if I can. I was wondering, though, where would be a good place to make suggestions here? It would be incredible if watchlists could be made into RSS feeds! -lydgate (moved from top)
Suggestion: it would be neat if Wikipedia had a feed that, each day, linked to the top 5 searched-for articles the previous day. (moved from top)
I don't know when this happened, but apparently Wikipedia articles are now RSS-enabled! [2] And Atom-enabled too! Note that you have to go to the article's History page in order to find this feature, though. betsythedevine 19:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
"Speaking of RSS, here's my read on what happened. (I wasn't directly involved.) A group of people involved in RSS got together to start thinking about its future evolution. Dave was part of the group. When the consensus of the group turned in a direction he didn't like, Dave stopped participating, and characterized it as a plot by O'Reilly to take over RSS from him, despite the fact that Rael Dornfest of O'Reilly was only one of about a dozen authors of the proposed RSS 1.0 spec, and that many of those who were part of its development had at least as long a history with RSS as Dave had. The only connection I can see is that the O'Reilly Network ran a series of ads on our sites promoting its stories about the RSS 1.0 spec (just as it promotes other stories on O'Reilly Network sites). Dave never approached me directly to express a point of view such as 'I think the RSS spec is going in the wrong direction. Is there anything you can do to help get my point of view across to the other developers?' Instead, the first I heard of it was a series of public accusations that my company was leading a conspiracy to steal 'Dave's' standard." Tim O'Reilly 9/20/2000 Source —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deodar ( talk • contribs) 29 September 2005
User:Bastawhiz has created a stupid duplicate article " What's RSS?". I don't think there are much useful information, but feel free to merge it, if needed. -- minghong 03:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm uncomfortable with this sentance under "History":
This version became known as RSS 0.9. It was basically a clone of Channel Definition Format, with a few key differences: it wasn't published by a Microsoft employee, so it wasa a lot better.
Sounds to me like a dig at Microsoft. Doesn't seem very NPOV or encylopedic to me. What does everyone else think? - Robert
I'm starting a new website and I'm wondering if I should use RSS. How do I do it? -- Gbleem 17:20, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been running all over the web looking for RSS creation/aggregator tools over the past few weeks and I've just about driven myself crazy. Making RSS feeds doesn't seem to be the challenge--you simply write up an XML file in a particular format, of which there are thousands of samples available on the web, but everywhere I go this is the only information I can find.
The problem is how to display RSS feeds on your website, particularly PHP which seems to be the most common way. This issue is not addressed enough on the web and seems to be a gaping hole. For programmers who know PHP, probably not an issue, but what about the rest of us who can barely get by in HTML?
Somebody asked on this discussion why RSS? My answer is so I can display updated content on my website that updates itself automatically from the major news services, or any other content that is in RSS format for that matter. I'm sure I'm one of hundreds of thousands of people stuck trying to do the same thing.
For being Really Simple Syndication, RSS sure seems pretty complicated to display. There are sites that provide modules for getting RSS feeds to display on your website, but they are either buggy, or require knowledge of databases, or only explain what to do, not how to do, none of which I'm able to figure out. I've been to various feed-this feed-that sites, downloaded, implemented, tested, etc etc ---ALL TO NO AVAIL! (and I already run PHP pages on my site) Can anybody out there do a step-by-step write-up with sample PHP code showing the following:
1. Show how to call (or include) the XML feed 2. Show sample code on how to parse the XML file, where this code is supposed to be put, and can it be kept in a separate file 3. Show us the basic code for options we have to do the following things: headlines only, headlines with description, background/text/link color control, number of items in the feed.
I suppose caching in a database is the best way, but the best solution for programming newbies who don't have the time to learn PHP is just a simple step-by-step solution that allows us to get a feed displayed, then shows how to control the various options. In the long run this would help a lot of people get more familiar with programming. I welcome commentary. Thanks a lot. Glossika 17:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I know that this seems like nitpicking, but in the second line "RSS is used by (among other things) news websites," don't you think "news websites" should like to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_website instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website? I realise that it would mean changing the link to direct to a stub, but I still think it's for informative than the current choice of link a5y 11:04 09 March 2006 GMT
Please don't link to stubs, this is a lost of time for readers. Alcalazar 10:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not know what RSS feeds are. I feel that the article should include a simpler summary or maybe examples. -- Splendour 2:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone find the new section on future versions pointless (and almost incoherent)? And I question the need for a whole new example to illustrate "icon misuse". It seems that the main point could be incoporated into the history section and that whole passage deleted. I thought I would ask here instead of editing, though. Thoughts? · rodii · 14:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
RSS stands for Rich Site Summary, not "Really Simple Summary." But now that some moron has locked the article, I guess millions of people will be misinformed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.206.66 ( talk) 02:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
RSS is certainly not a file format or a protocol. if anything it is a standard for content delivery. why would somone who doesn't understand the article take it upon themselves to define the term? XML is not a file format either. if i can type a document in notepad that has XML or RSS structure, the file format is plain text. furthermore, RSS 0.91 doesn't even use XML Mahumphrey 06:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
The test reads "In August 2005, Israeli student Jonathan Avidan unilaterally launched a project to create "RSS 3"[10]. It failed to gain backing from anyone in the RSS industry."
If it's a one-man project from a non-notable individual that appears to have failed to gain any note, why do we bother mentioning it? Middenface 12:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I heavily redid the RSS intro a month ago to better explain web feeds, but now I realize that should all go under web feeds. However, it's important that users coming to this page find out what RSS is, and for most people, that means learning what web feeds are in general. Should it be left up to the user to think to follow the web feed link for more explanation? I'm thinking of putting a note to users that they probably will want to read web feed. Anyone aware of standard practice here?
I've handled the intro, but I think the rest of the page should be edited to put web feed info not specific to RSS in web feed.-- Apantomimehorse 01:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I have added a sentence that helps explain an RSS feed in very general terms. These do not contribute to the length of the article significantly. I added the sentences at the behest of a friend, because he visited the article before the addition and still had no idea what an RSS feed is. I feel it's bad practice to make encyclopedia articles too esoteric when an extra sentence or two can greatly clarify a subject.-- 24.13.242.3 07:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm removing these two lists from this article--there's no need to (partially) duplicate here information that much more fully available elsewhere: List of search engines, News aggregator, and Category:Blog search engines. Just as an example of why such lists don't belong here--somebody just created a list with only two "RSS search engines" on it, one of them Technorati, a blog search engine that does not rely on RSS search for its data. betsythedevine 13:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
A spam link that I removed from 'Other articles' last week has just come back (freshthinkingbusiness.com). It seems to me that a section as vaguely named as 'Other articles' will be an irresistible draw for bad links. If there were support for eliminating that section I'd try to rewrite all the useful material found there and incorporate it in the regular text of the article. EdJohnston 15:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Editors regularly clean out undiscussed links from this article. Please discuss here if you want a link not to be cleaned out regularly. ( You can help!) EdJohnston 04:18, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I have created an online RSS Reader that will parse basic RSS info into a table. Would that be an acceptable link to place here? The reader is free, and I am not a commercial site (nor do I host advertising). Kitoba 19:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I was going to a link to RSS @ W3 Schools, but saw that I should bring it up here first. W3 Schools (of which I'm only a fan, not affiliated) has a really great introduction/tutorial about RSS. Would it be okay if I added that? comment added by turbov21 23:29, April 30, 2007
Found an interesting article that I think would add to the topic. It's a beginners guide, and is well written and geared towards a non-technical audience. It's not a how-to for producing feeds, but focuses on how to use RSS yourself etc.
This is a very minor part, but I believe it should be edited. If you hover your mouse over the big feed icon, it says the icons is in IE 7 and Firefox. Shouldn't Opera be included (it is adapted in Opera)? Moronicles 21:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Who owns logo copyrights? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Feed-icon.svg
Is there any copyright infringment being made by this company: [3] using a variant on the RSS logo? I spotted it on one of their vehicles today and thought it was a bit wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.23.60.6 ( talk) 05:48, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
According to
http://blogs.msdn.com/rssteam/archive/2005/12/14/503778.aspx the icon image was released for general usage by everyone that supports RSS.
James thirteen (
talk)
19:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
A directory of links useful for finding an RSS feed reader for a chosen operating system (instead of linking various seperate readers). No, I am not affiliated, I merely came across this site on Yahoo Answers and thought it would be a very useful resource for anyone looking for a feed reader.
Would this not make a valid addition? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.136.196.109 ( talk • contribs) 15 November, 2006.
I copied here a discussion from User:Mushroom's talk page. I asked about the {{external links}} banner that he had put on the page. (It's the thing that says 'The external links for this article may require cleanup'. Please read the following and see if you agree that the two links should be removed. If no response, I'll do it in a couple of days, and remove the 'external links' banner at the same time. EdJohnston 18:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Well is it? It doesn't really add too the article, which talks about the RSS file format. iamthebob( talk| contribs) 22:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Although RSS wasn't originally intended for this purpose, it has very much been adopted by the podcasting community as a convenient method of syndicating audio content. Podcasts are continuing to increase in popularity, and podcast RSS feeds are already a significant percentage of all RSS feeds out there. The page should be altered to reflect that RSS no longer just syndicates "frequently updated pages, such as blogs or news feeds", but also publishes audio and video content, such as podcasts and vidcasts.
With this in mind, I've added a link to a very hard to find specification for the iTunes specification for podcast RSS feeds. Robert Rapplean 17:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
There is still stuff here from 2005, and there are comments about issues that are long gone. Does anyone object if I move old comments to an archive page? I would like to delete all the unsigned comments; they can be recovered from the page history if needed. I would not move any active threads. EdJohnston 22:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Came across this site TheJackyl.com after browsing digg.com. Definately a worthwhile resource for someone looking for the interworkings of RSS and an all in one RSS directory/reader. Tommyboy1985 01:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
By removing tutorials, you are wrong. Tutorial is the kind of link we have to add to the article. You should look at the body of the article itself that is full of external links and I believe there is some spams here we should carefully study. Jahowk 09:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Here is an interesting paper describing risks of using RSS and Atom feeds. http://www.cgisecurity.com/papers/HackingFeeds.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.121.176 ( talk) 14:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Social network is heavily based on RSS feeds and so, the connection is more than evident. But if you like to remove the link, this is not a real problem. Jahowk 10:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Please tell me if there are objections to removing all the new content added since 27 December. It looks to be mostly spam and adds little to the article. I particularly object to the silly 'Tutorials and References section', which has little to do with the RSS *file format*. Everyone in the world has a helpful site to tell you how RSS works, and usually to sell a bunch of stuff as well. If I'm the only one trying to keep this stuff out, I will turn the floor over to others. EdJohnston 20:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I will support you in this, Ed, SqueakBox 16:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Ed because it seems to me the latest edits are not encyclopedic, we dont need to teach people how to read or write RSS and I removed the refs section following our spam guidelines. While I might have left the rerst myself Ed has asked for opinions and this is mine (based on 2 years experience working here), SqueakBox 16:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm missing references to NewsML which is a format used by the major news organisations for distributing news. NewsML is adopted by the IPTC (International Press Telecommunications Council) while I do not think RSS is.
Here are some links:
NewsML web site
Some very few notes I've found that "compares" NewsML and RSS
I do not know much about the topic but it seems to me that NewsML maybe is more for the professional market (b2b) while RSS perhaps is targeted more at individuals. Maybe it does not make sense to compare the two at all?
John Clarigon
10:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Since the article has a history section, external links to RSS history either are used to prove the validity of the article, or are useless. My opinion is the two history links are references and should be moved in this section. Different advices? Jahowk 12:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
The material I removed is found word-for-word in a 22 December 2006 article by Ed Oswald, at [4], copyright 2006 BetaNews, Inc. If anyone wants to rewrite the section in their own words, they are welcome to. EdJohnston 03:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Do we want to keep the gigantic template that is added at the bottom of the article by the {{Podcasting}} template?
Types |
Audio Podcasts •
Autocasting •
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Macinstosh •
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Religon •
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Chris DiBona •
John Edwards •
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On my screen it adds 2.8 inches to the length of the page. This template was added today by User:Ganfon. In my view, the 'Genres' are a particular waste of space, because many of these categories are empty. (Empty categories are at risk of deletion). Please discuss here if you have an opinion. Without a consensus here supporting the inclusion of the Podcasting template, I think it should be removed. EdJohnston 22:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed Genres as well as famous people. I removed generes based on the above disscussions, I removed famous people because many of them were not primerily known as podcasters, and the section took up a lot of room. I think the new version will work, so please leave some feedback. Gan fon 03:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
None of the citations in the section "RSS Creation" appear to verify Ramanathan V. Guha's authorship. (sorry for not posting this before, I got distracted after adding the tag) -- Random832( t c) 18:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The detailed early history of who invented what web syndication format element when has become a matter of interest and dispute. The same kind of problems cropping up in the article about Podcasting were largely solved when somebody created a separate article for History of podcasting. This seems like a possible solution here, so I moved (essentially copied) historical text from this article to History of web syndication technology. Another possible benefit of the change is that it should prevent a Wikipedia fork in the history, so that somebody with a new citation adds to info in this article but doesn't realize that an incorrect version still lurks in a different article. My intention is good, please don't flame me. Please discuss if you do or don't think the separate article is a good idea, and if so how much of the history from this article should get moved there. betsythedevine 14:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I have to say that this article is a disappointment. It explains how to read RSS feeds, then there are long parts about the history and incompatibilities, some other minor stuff and two bloated examples. Absolutely nothing on how to create an RSS feed! That's half of the whole concept anyway! I think the various XML-tags used in RSS files need to be described. The examples mean nothing when there are no explanations either. Also, are those files supposed to be done with Notepad or are there possibly dedicated editors? Automatic feed generators? How do you publish your feed? Do you need special server equipment, scripts, something else? -- ZeroOne ( talk | @) 16:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I have recommended merging Attention stream into RSS. Chevinki 01:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Usually when I know very little about a subject, I come to Wikipedia for a good overview. This article was disappointing.
How do the pieces fit together? Does the RSS reader typically poll the site providing the feed? Does the sitr providing the feed typically create the outgoing feed for each request, or cache it periodically? If my reader polls the feeding site periodically, how does it tell which items are new, and which were seen before? Are these even the right questions to be asking?
Instead, this article has a lot of history and arcana that I just don't care about right now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.174.140.32 ( talk) 18:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
You can convert your RSS / PodCast to PHP, and Javascript.
According to a this posting by an anonymous contributor on Talk:The Long Tail, this Google search brings up our RSS article as having the fourth-highest Google rank of any Wikipedia article. This could be an argument for someone to spend time improving the article! (See the original posting for the logic behing this claim). On the off-chance that the submitter's argument is correct, here are the top ten articles in Wikipedia:
EdJohnston 16:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Why do we have an internal link to RSS FAQ when the page does not exist in the further information section? I have removed this as it seems pointless if you can't read anymore about it.
Text currently states:
Effectively, this the format without an owner, just as it was becoming widely used.
Compare:
Pitifully, this dog without an owner, just as it was becoming widely appreciated.
Meaning? P0M 21:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The article currently states of RSS that "Effectively, this left the format without an owner, just as it was becoming widely used."
RSS does not lack an owner. Netscape created and named the protocol, and thus has the trademark rights and copyright associated with the format. It's more accurate to say that the absence of Netscape from active participation in RSS development left a vacuum that has made all future development of the format highly contentious, with different groups including UserLand Software, Harvard, the RSS Advisory Board and RSS-DEV Working Group each claiming the right to publish successive versions that sprang from either RSS 0.90 or RSS 0.91. Jamesdennis 15:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
This edit must be the one in which Dave Winer changed our RSS article, to replace the link to the Cadenhead version of the RSS 2.0 spec with the one hosted at Harvard that he favors. He commented on the situation here on his Scripting News blog. There has also been some discussion lately on various blogs as to what the difference is between the two warring specs. (Apparently not much; one comment is here). Certainly our policies allow Dave Winer or any other person who might be covered by an article to comment on the Talk page, so this comment (April 30) seems a little harsh:
Then I decided to look at the RSS page to see if it linked to the RSS 2.0 spec. It didn't, so I added a link. I haven't been back to see if that has been reverted. BTW, most of that page is worthless, things that never happened, Rove-like spin from god knows who. That's the thing about Wikipedia, it's a free-for-all slamfest, and you don't have a right to confront your accusers. Feh
EdJohnston 15:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank for for participating here. Atom is working its way through the IETF draft process. But my understanding is that no current version of RSS is issued by a standards organization, so we merely have two informal groups with competing documents. If your argument is found convincing by other Wikipedians, your document would at most be recognized as the 'official RSS spec of the RSS Advisory Board.' How would you be able to show that this is the world standard for the RSS spec? What about Dave Winer's copyright?
Perhaps you might have an opinion whether this question should make much difference to Wikipedia readers. See [5] for a recent blog post claiming that there is little difference between the RSS Board spec and Dave Winer's spec.
If you believe there's a significant difference, and if you could compose a sentence or two summarizing the differences, maybe a comment should be added to the article. EdJohnston 02:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
User:Ramir provided this explanation of his recent change to the article. For the full comment see User_talk:EdJohnston#XML_syntax_highlighting_on_RSS:
Yes, they installed a MediaWiki extension for highlighting of computer programming code: see bugzilla:7163. It is as official as wiki syntax is. And if you ask me how this works... well, it works very poorly (hideous colours, no inline option, ignorance of the standard wiki syntax et c.) To use it, just tag the code with <source lang="xml">...</source>, where "xml" could be some other programming/markup language of the many supported by the GeSHi extension. Ramir 09:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
EdJohnston 21:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I've merged a list of editors, which were on a separate page, but none of them seem notable; leastways not notable enough to have their own article. Do wee need them? Andy Mabbett 11:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Other people seem to have restored the separate article. I don't like the kind of list that includes every product of a certain kind that is on the market, which is what RSS editor constitutes. I think it's more reasonable to mention here in the RSS article that such programs exist, and perhaps give an example of one of them that's been externally reviewed, to illustrate the genre. If that were done I'd be happy to see the separate RSS editor article deleted. It puzzles me exactly what these things would be used for. Who wants to bother creating an RSS feed manually? It might be worth getting an explanation of what the actual need is. EdJohnston 21:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Some of this recent activity may be due to the fact that I removed the entire (apparently "new") "Editors" section earlier today. It was rapidly growing into a list of random "I can advertise my software here!" links. In theory, I don't mind a mention of these tools and one or two prominent example. In practice, however, it rarely works out that way without constant babysitting to remove the inevitable link spam. -- ElKevbo 21:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me if I've missed any discussion on this here or in the archive, but shouldn't the two aforementioned images (
and
)be included in the article? I realize that the Mozilla feed icon has replaced these symbols in many situations, but these were the original icons maintained, they are still plentiful out there, and they would add to the comprehensive nature of the article.
Craig R. Nielsen
19:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
When I check an RSS feed for updates I have to download ~1 KiB of data each time. If I check 10 feeds for updates once a minute, I waste a lot of bandwidth for downloading the exact same content. Is it possible to just download a little hash of the complete RSS feed data I would normally download? And then download the whole RSS feed data if my client notices that the hash has changed for that particular feed? I could not find any mention of this possibility neither in the article nor in this talk page. Tommy 09:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to remove GeoRSS from the See Also section of this article. While there is a GeoRSS article that claims that it is an 'emerging standard,' and it shows that Yahoo and Google provide some support for any RSS feeds that might use it, the article contains no third party references that show any widespread use of GeoRSS in published RSS freeds. There is no assertion that the GeoRSS proposal is on any standards track, at W3C or elsewhere. It seems to be the product of a small organization called the Open Geospatial Consortium. There is a roadmap, but it has no entries in it. Lacking more details, I argue that GeoRSS is only a proposal, and is not yet mainstream enough for the RSS article to link to it. Please comment if you have opinions on this. EdJohnston 14:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it would make much more sense if the two examples of the RSS feeds had the same content them, but in different formats (1.00 and 2.00, respectively). It would better show the differences between the two formats. MasterDragon 15:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
On my User Talk, Boffob left this comment about his reason for the Cleanup tag. EdJohnston 17:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)