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If the RSPCA is a non-government charity organization, what gives them the right to do things like going into people's homes and removing animals, whatever the welfare issues involved? Are they exercising some kind of power akin to a citizen's arrest? -- 81.135.160.27 18:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
No, they are exercising powers granted under statute (ie laws of parliament). It should be done by governments but they are too cheap to care so they allow a charity to do thier work for them. Dankru 11:49, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
The Protection of Animals Act 1911 does not give the RSPCA the power to arrest or entry or of search. 1 2 -- Neocal 20:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know, in Australia at least it's actually emplyoees of the local council that enter people's property to remove animals, not the RSPCA. They then take them to the RSPCA. I could be wrong though. I am a lemon 02:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
The situation in the UK is that RSPCA Inspectors use powers under animal cruelty legislation, but are well trained to recognise the limitations of their authority. In situations where they are not authorised to act independently (eg gaining entry to premises) they routinely call for police assistance, and simply accompany police officers who are using their powers of entry. This works both ways, as police are often hampered in entering properties because of the presence of potentilly dangerous animals, and they call upon the assistance of RSPCA animal handlers. Sometimes a working arrangement like this is just as good as a specific power under Law. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 02:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Some previous supporters have challenged the RSPCA over these campaigns and, in common with many other major charities that also engage in campaigning, question whether such activities represent a proper use even of a tiny proportion of their charitable funds. Such queries come mainly from supporters of "countryside sports".
Im not sure that putting Such queries come mainly from supporters of "countryside sports". is fair. I think a lot of people who donate to the Society are wondering whether their money is better spent on issues such as domestic animal welfare, farming practices and wildlife preservation.
Hi Mais Oui - good to 'meet' you. I am however, concerned about the total reversion, without explanation, of a reasonable edit, that merely recorded controversy. Please let's discuss. - Ballista 18:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC) P.S. I didn't say to which article I refer - it is the RSPCA article, in case you didn't know.
Can you source references for the additions you made? WP:CITE, WP:RS / wangi 09:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
There is no Canadian RSPCA.
I have removed the sentence on there being a Canadian RSPCA. This is not grounded in fact. Ozdaren 02:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
The admin should really ban that nonerds0. just look at his contrib. Special:Contributions/Nonerds0
The main problem that people have with the killing of Gangotri the cow is that she was killed despite the fact that she was a pet (rather than raised for slaughter) who was getting veterinary treatment. That is the main point and it is referenced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.169.33 ( talk) 20:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
What species of animals does the RSPCA actively support? I hear they've not taken anyone to court for over 11 years due to cruelty against pet fish which is odd considering Goldfish is the number one most kept pet in the UK. Surprising when you consider Goldfish live double the number of years than Dogs. -- Quatermass ( talk) 17:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
References
Please review the history of this article before wading in! The words in question are certainly not "weasel words". They present a balance of two opposing views, and were inserted due to disagreements between different editors over the meaning of the preceding quote. These words were added to prevent POV, by presenting both sides of the argment over interpretation of the comments of the RSPCA spokesman. We leave the reader to form his own opinion, as is appropriate to an encyclopedia. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 15:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/09/court-rspca-will-overturn-daughter The RSPCA lost, but they state they will be appealing. Flatterworld ( talk) 02:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
This article currently has 5 independent references and 11 from the RSPCA itself. It seems natural that information about organizational matters should come from the society itself, though obviously having additional outside refs would be welcome. User:Simple Bob evidently disagrees " sorry, but 9 out of the 15 references are RSPCA. It needs more 3rd party refs" and has twice put a 'primary sources' tag prominently at the head of the article (rather than the references section itself) with the clear inference that it is unreliable. Perhaps he'd like to explain his insistence here? -- Klein zach 23:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
That whole section is based on one source which is four years old, thats a bit weak isn't it? Is there any more sources out there especially recent ones about the criticism because at the moment it just seems like one mans old witch hunt. Uksam88 ( talk) 22:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Should this article not record the RSPCA membership numbers?
Most of the edits I made in the last 24 hours were undone. I've silently reverted those that were silently undone. As for the two that were undone with accompanying edit summaries, the comments were helpful. I've reverted and improved them in the light of these comments. I think it could still be made better: there are a lot of controversies and maybe they could be further sub-categorised. asnac ( talk) 18:57, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Please see WP:BLPN#Cesar Milan - the Dog Whisperer where a campaign where this organisation was a sponsor is being discussed. Dougweller ( talk) 06:51, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi to whomever it may concern,
I am a student at Central Lancashire and am interested in producing Free Range Eggs as am a lover of animals and in a good motive of giving quality products to people as these days we face lots of medical problems. I just wanted to know if your RSPCA is only for England and Wales or is it possible to approve to other countries...???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.214.127 ( talk) 14:37, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
This article is highly biased. It reports a long list of negative media stories about the RSPCA but without any attempt to offset these by referring to the many positive stories about the society. The article is unbalanced and gives an inaccurate and incomplete picture. The summary of news articles dominates the article, at the expense of an impartial and informative account of the society and its place in modern society. I am surprised and disappointed that this article has not been heavily edited. It has so obviously been prepared by people with a biased outlook that it reads as anti-RSPCA propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.30.48.6 ( talk) 03:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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On 28 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals to RSPCA. The result of the discussion was moved. |
If the RSPCA is a non-government charity organization, what gives them the right to do things like going into people's homes and removing animals, whatever the welfare issues involved? Are they exercising some kind of power akin to a citizen's arrest? -- 81.135.160.27 18:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
No, they are exercising powers granted under statute (ie laws of parliament). It should be done by governments but they are too cheap to care so they allow a charity to do thier work for them. Dankru 11:49, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
The Protection of Animals Act 1911 does not give the RSPCA the power to arrest or entry or of search. 1 2 -- Neocal 20:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know, in Australia at least it's actually emplyoees of the local council that enter people's property to remove animals, not the RSPCA. They then take them to the RSPCA. I could be wrong though. I am a lemon 02:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
The situation in the UK is that RSPCA Inspectors use powers under animal cruelty legislation, but are well trained to recognise the limitations of their authority. In situations where they are not authorised to act independently (eg gaining entry to premises) they routinely call for police assistance, and simply accompany police officers who are using their powers of entry. This works both ways, as police are often hampered in entering properties because of the presence of potentilly dangerous animals, and they call upon the assistance of RSPCA animal handlers. Sometimes a working arrangement like this is just as good as a specific power under Law. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 02:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Some previous supporters have challenged the RSPCA over these campaigns and, in common with many other major charities that also engage in campaigning, question whether such activities represent a proper use even of a tiny proportion of their charitable funds. Such queries come mainly from supporters of "countryside sports".
Im not sure that putting Such queries come mainly from supporters of "countryside sports". is fair. I think a lot of people who donate to the Society are wondering whether their money is better spent on issues such as domestic animal welfare, farming practices and wildlife preservation.
Hi Mais Oui - good to 'meet' you. I am however, concerned about the total reversion, without explanation, of a reasonable edit, that merely recorded controversy. Please let's discuss. - Ballista 18:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC) P.S. I didn't say to which article I refer - it is the RSPCA article, in case you didn't know.
Can you source references for the additions you made? WP:CITE, WP:RS / wangi 09:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
There is no Canadian RSPCA.
I have removed the sentence on there being a Canadian RSPCA. This is not grounded in fact. Ozdaren 02:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
The admin should really ban that nonerds0. just look at his contrib. Special:Contributions/Nonerds0
The main problem that people have with the killing of Gangotri the cow is that she was killed despite the fact that she was a pet (rather than raised for slaughter) who was getting veterinary treatment. That is the main point and it is referenced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.169.33 ( talk) 20:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
What species of animals does the RSPCA actively support? I hear they've not taken anyone to court for over 11 years due to cruelty against pet fish which is odd considering Goldfish is the number one most kept pet in the UK. Surprising when you consider Goldfish live double the number of years than Dogs. -- Quatermass ( talk) 17:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
References
Please review the history of this article before wading in! The words in question are certainly not "weasel words". They present a balance of two opposing views, and were inserted due to disagreements between different editors over the meaning of the preceding quote. These words were added to prevent POV, by presenting both sides of the argment over interpretation of the comments of the RSPCA spokesman. We leave the reader to form his own opinion, as is appropriate to an encyclopedia. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 15:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/09/court-rspca-will-overturn-daughter The RSPCA lost, but they state they will be appealing. Flatterworld ( talk) 02:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
This article currently has 5 independent references and 11 from the RSPCA itself. It seems natural that information about organizational matters should come from the society itself, though obviously having additional outside refs would be welcome. User:Simple Bob evidently disagrees " sorry, but 9 out of the 15 references are RSPCA. It needs more 3rd party refs" and has twice put a 'primary sources' tag prominently at the head of the article (rather than the references section itself) with the clear inference that it is unreliable. Perhaps he'd like to explain his insistence here? -- Klein zach 23:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
That whole section is based on one source which is four years old, thats a bit weak isn't it? Is there any more sources out there especially recent ones about the criticism because at the moment it just seems like one mans old witch hunt. Uksam88 ( talk) 22:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Should this article not record the RSPCA membership numbers?
Most of the edits I made in the last 24 hours were undone. I've silently reverted those that were silently undone. As for the two that were undone with accompanying edit summaries, the comments were helpful. I've reverted and improved them in the light of these comments. I think it could still be made better: there are a lot of controversies and maybe they could be further sub-categorised. asnac ( talk) 18:57, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Please see WP:BLPN#Cesar Milan - the Dog Whisperer where a campaign where this organisation was a sponsor is being discussed. Dougweller ( talk) 06:51, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi to whomever it may concern,
I am a student at Central Lancashire and am interested in producing Free Range Eggs as am a lover of animals and in a good motive of giving quality products to people as these days we face lots of medical problems. I just wanted to know if your RSPCA is only for England and Wales or is it possible to approve to other countries...???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.214.127 ( talk) 14:37, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
This article is highly biased. It reports a long list of negative media stories about the RSPCA but without any attempt to offset these by referring to the many positive stories about the society. The article is unbalanced and gives an inaccurate and incomplete picture. The summary of news articles dominates the article, at the expense of an impartial and informative account of the society and its place in modern society. I am surprised and disappointed that this article has not been heavily edited. It has so obviously been prepared by people with a biased outlook that it reads as anti-RSPCA propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.30.48.6 ( talk) 03:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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