Tons of people are adding and removing many, many fansites. It is beginning to be a fight about whos fansite stays on the list and whos doesn't. I think that fansites should be removed all-together, and only the official RPG Maker sites should stay on the wiki. Who agrees?
See reasons listed on talk page for Custom Battle System -- Noah Smith 01:57, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, this has certainly gotten out of hand lately. "A Blurred Line"? Sure, that is a notable RPG Maker game because it is one commonly held to be at the forefront of the available library. But as for any of the other "notable" games, I have to call foul on their location within this article. Wikipedia is NOT, I repeat is NOT, an advertising site nor will it be made into one in the foreseeable future. Every single person who comes to this page does not own the right to advertise their unreleased and unnotable games. Furthermore, a link to a GW page of the title in question will not suffice for an article over the title and unless these are placeholders, I suggest removing them.
Basically, a general moratorium on what is "notable" and what is not should be reached before anything else is added to that particular section of this article.
Charles M. Reed 06:10, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
This is an encyclopedia; not a place to advertise material. Other than Legion Saga, The Way, A Blurred Line and Laxius Power I can't say I've seen any of those other games mentioned as high examples of RPG Maker 2000 capabilities. They should be either removed, or a convincing case made for their inclusion. Qjuad 20:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Whether you like it or not, notable games have been made with the console RPG Maker series, so please quit taking them down. Both the console and PC series are made by enterbrain, I dont know why you guys are so hell-bent on removing any mentions of the console RPG Maker series that gets put up.
-I think that either everybody can have their game up on this wiki, or noone can. For any of the games on here, sure, they are very good, but, they are still basically 'advertisements'... and to most people it wouldn't seem fair to have those games up there but not there games. It is, in this case, a matter of fairness. So I think, they should be taken out, and instead, the people who want to see projects can look at the links and all the websites. Guest
Valkysas 03:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
...Can be found here. All the games on the list have won Misao Awards, and the Misao Awards are the de facto "official" awards for excellence in the community. Abyssal leviathin 03:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
These games are hardly notable, I've never heard of them before and have been using RPG Maker for years. I think the entire notable games section should be deleted, or at least replaced with the games featuring on the official site, http://www.enterbrain.co.jp
Abyssal leviathin
20:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
So why not let EVERYONE put the game that they think is the best on this page... wait... they can't... because the list would be huge!! Once again... 'Notable' is an OPINION. Good/Bad games is 100% OPINION! Some people may think The Chairman's Quest sucked... and that another game not in the Misao Awards or listed here is the best. It's all OPINION. So either let people post the best games in their opinion on this wiki, or let noone post the games. Besides, if someone wanted to view a project, they could go onto one of the websites with tons of projects and check a couple out. No reason to have games that not everybody thinks are good on here!
To claim that a game is not notable just because not everybody likes it would be like to claim that a major political figure is not notable because not everybody agrees with his/her views. These games are both influential and wildly popular. While it's true that happen to dislike all of the "noteworthy" games listed for various reasons, I agree that they should stay, because of their technical acheivements and widespread popularity. Covarr 05:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
So far the only argument you've been able to give is that because you don't like them, they aren't notable and shouldn't be on the page. I've got some news for you: the world does not revolve around you. What you do or do not like does not decide notability: the opinions of the thousands of people who enjoy these games does. Grow up. It's not a big deal that these games are on the page. It makes the page more informitive. Deal with it. You're just being a troll and a pest and you're wasting everyone's valuable time. Abyssal leviathin 02:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
An can you give me a link to this stuff? I googled "Dark Kunu's Throne" and got nothing. I googled cchristian rm2k and got nothing. I even googled to find out whatever the heck TruePunkery is and got nothing. Are you just making crap up for the sake of arguing?
Abyssal leviathin 21:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Your "all or nothing" argument doesn't make sense. As for the Misao's being biased, do you have any evidence for that? Abyssal leviathin 04:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
You said they were official. I disagree with you completely, and so do many other people. Many other contests are official, and are judged by multiple people. This is unofficial and judged by 1, maybe 2 people.
I dont think the link should be redirected to Don miguel of spain. - Grundlegod 03:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Don miguel is russian...
for anyone who don't know, don miguel is translator of rpgmaker into english and is the reason that it's here.
-dejuismaster
In defence of the people who do use the illegal translations, If Enterbrain and ASCII realized the full protential of distrbuing worldwide (not to mention the fact that anime has loads of fans outside Japan) they wouldn't need to be worrying about piracy, and then everyones a winner. Instead it is just coin, coin ,coin never fan,fan,fan.
(And they wonder why piracy is high)- Dynamo_ace
Sorry about that, just want to get it off my chest- Dynamo_ace
Well in my opinion, Dinamo does have a point.
Possible vandilism at 18 July 2005 22:59 GMT, problem has been corrected- Dynamo_ace
Second possible vandilism at 20 July 2005 15:45 GMT, the user is annoymous with a IP adress of 68.110.100.149. Can the annoymous user please realise that Wikipedia is a neutral, un-biased encyclopedia and therefore i cannot accept the last two edits due to the fact they appear to look like they were boosting their site.- Dynamo_ace
Similar vandilism at 13 August 2005 09:54 GMT, the user was annoymous with a IP adress of 24.98.153.204. If this happens again i will report to Wikipedia to either ban both IPs or to call for a lockdown of the article.-- Dynamo_ace 08:57, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
I would like to comment that there's nothing illegal about translating it or distributing a patch that modifies the software such that it is in a different language; both certainly constitute fair use under copyright law. That said, actually distributing the program (as opposed to a patch) is very much illegal... The article could be editted to reflect this disparity, as the way it is worded leaves it slightly unclear. 129.21.124.58
Quote from RM2k Help file - "There seems to be a little confusion on this topic. First of all, possession of RPG Maker 2000 is lawful. RM2K falls within the same jurisdiction as anime fansubs. RM2K is a fansub of a program released only in Japanese. Unless ASCII personally asks Don to stop distribution of the program, there is nothing illegal about RM2K."
Check out http://www.enterbrain.co.jp/tkool/RPG_XP/eng/index.html I believe Enterbrain has wised up!
Yeah man uh... thats not new, I saw that 2 years ago, they paid Don miguel. he works for them a little..... --
Dejuismaster
04:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
No, he does not work for them, and they never paid him. You dont pay or hire the person who damn near ran your RPG Maker team bankrupt. 75.7.194.96 06:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he was never paid or worked for them. But what I have heard is that he did actually have their blessing in making originally translating the software. A fuss was never made about the english translation until ASCII became Enterbrain. I've also heard that rm2k originally sold very poorly in Japan, so to say Don Miguel almost bankrupted a company by distributing software in a language they had no intention of selling in is utter rubbish. Abyssal leviathin 20:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
63.205.212.167 removed official US site links and is hell-bent on advertising RPG Crisis everywhere possible, going as far as to sticking a blatant advertisement on the RPG Maker 2000 wiki.- Valkysas
72.140.2.218 keeps vandalizing the timeline section. any way we could get him banned? "Bill37212" is doing a damn good job removing his stupid remarks everyday though, thanks! Valkysas 20:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
It's just like a copy of a psp iso it's illegal. And show my ip because with all due respect I couldn't give a damn. Also If ya wanna find me lookp me up.
Yes, because we'd want to look you up because you called it illegal... "How dare you"? ... By the way, that was an example of sarcasm, just so you know
XD. How the hell is my game, Music Box, on the notable games list? Last time I checked I never released it. I think "notable" should be erased from "Notable Games made with RPG Maker."
The RPGMaker 2000 article adds little new, and is the only RPG Maker program to get its own article. Therefore I suggest that these two articles be merged. -- coldacid 16:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, i'll point out, this is getting ridiculous... you should be pointing links to the hub of the RPG Maker community, so far all i can see is links to relatively new sites. I don't know if people are trying to advertise or what, but links should be to the sites that have been pillars of the RPG Maker community for years. I.e. GamingW GamingGroundZero RPG2Knet Etc. Those three at least are the sites that have been around for a LONG time and were regarded as the centers of the RPG Making community in its hey day.
I'll give you that one, but many of them are still basically there for advertisement, GGZ is geared towards spriting now yes, but its still a useful resource and is still pretty active. But sites like GW and Rpg2knet should still be included. Or as you pointed out, if your going to remove one site, remove them all.
Quit taking the "official" out of the pavilion and magazine links. the pavilion has been around 6 years, the mag a little over 4. both are officially supported by agetec. Valkysas 04:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, we are fully supported by Agetec. Thus why we (I'm Valkysas, webmaster of the pavilion) listed the pavilion and magazine as "Official US Sites", because whether you like it or not, thats what we are. look at rpgmaker.agetec.com, they have links to both the pavilion and magazine everywhere. our official status is clear as day, so whoever keeps taking "official" out of our descriptions needs to stop.
I've changed the listings to note that the Pavilion and Magazine are the Official US sites for the console RPG Maker series (which is indisputable), and I have listed agetec as the US publisher for the console RPG Maker series. You cannot possibly object to that, can you? Valkysas 04:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, would the person who keeps changing my site's link (RPG Maker Magazine) and taking off my official designation please stop it? I assure you, I am legit. My site is even linked from Agetec's Official RPG Maker page. Ixzion
THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND. People are adding foreign language links here that should be on that language's RPGM wiki entry, and now there's even a link for someone's site just for their game. There are so many copycat sites in there thal all offer the same thing, the whole section is essentially linkspam. Can we get rid of it? it would be fine if people would quit adding their sites every single day, and not even noticing the message at the top of the section, but they keep ignoring it. Some sites are noteworthy and should be on here, but you know what? typing RPG Maker into google pulls them up right away.
So basically what I'm saying... is can we just get rid of the fansite listing, and only link to enterbrain and agetec's actual sites? enterbrain's RPG Maker sites (japanese and english), and agetec's rpg maker sub-site rpgmaker.agetec.com. thats all that needs to be there, really. 75.7.199.93 02:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I propose that this section be enlarged, and some of these lesser known games weeded out. For A Blurred Line, The Way and a few others, there can be subheadings containing short summary of the articles. I would like to start out with A Blurred Line, as it is probably the most prominant RPG Maker game, and then maybe we can make our way to The Way and others. Please discuss. -- imaek 21:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Having information on what makes these games notable is a great idea. I just hope that while weeding out less important games, people don't forget that this wikipedia entry is for all RPG Maker games, including 1, 2, and 3 for consoles and dont remove everything listed about those, which I've noticed has been a bit of a tradition here.
I'll bring in some more people from the console RPG Maker community so that the console RPG Maker games can be selected and removed by people who have actually played them, and know about them. Valkysas 03:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe this wasnt such a good idea. people have now decided to just list any random game, even those that don't exist yet. Wasnt it supposed to be "notable" games only? Valkysas 06:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, the detailed info on RPG Maker games needs to go, ASAP. more people are adding just random games that arent even out yet. they're using this article for advertisement purposes, which just isnt right. Unless anyone objects, I'm reverting the "Games made with RPG Maker" back to the old "notable games" list on monday. Valkysas 18:19, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I like to have that section enlarged with the epic-3part-game 'Laxius Power' http://www.laxiuspower.com/ As well that the best german version games from here http://www.rpg-atelier.de/award.php are also mentioned since there are (even if few) games in English as well. [anonymous]
While Gaming Ground Zero (formerly known as Gaming Overworld and The Heresy Academy) has received its share of criticism and controversy over the years due to its policies regarding copyrights, exclusive materials, and later incarnations of RPG Maker (not to mention its message board's closed-door policy), shouldn't it get at least some mention on Wikipedia's RPG Maker page? Like them or hate them, the GGZ staff has released some quite notable games that are curiously absent from the list here. Exile, Kindred Saga, Elcothied, Tabernacle, Shichimenchouken, Dragon Warrior IV: Renaissance, Crossbone, Chocobo Panic, and Yoshi's Maze Mania, to name just a few. Many of their staff members are talented artists as well. While I am fully aware that Gaming World (probably the most popular English-language RPG Maker site) is bitter enemies with GGZ, and much of the information in this Wikipedia page was contributed by people with ties to Gaming World, let us not forget Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy. If Adolf Hitler can get a more or less objective biography on this site, why can't Gaming Ground Zero?
Signed, Some nameless nutjob
I've removed some non-noteworthy sites from the external links section. Generally, sites with very low member counts aren't supposed to be there. I also suggest deletion for the RPG_Maker_Database article. -- Michiel Sikma 17:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Who made them? I'm just curious because they look really nice, not your usual RTP maps.
I don't believe that RPG Maker Magazine is anything official. If they are, then please cite sources to prove that they are. They look like yet another RPG Maker site to me. -- Michiel Sikma 22:51, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
This is under "Noteworthy Games." Considering I've never heard of it, I suggest it being taken down, unless of course it is noteworthy, though if it I find it strange that I've never seen nor heard of it.
Will someone PLEASE start actively monitoring the Noteworthy Games section? This place has become a linkspamming repository. No more unnotable games must be added to this section, or else it might be better to put the entire paragraph in its own locked down template. -- Michiel Sikma 11:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed some sites, divided the section into official sites and fansites. I also added a notice saying that this is a list of the "most noteworthy communities" and gave a hard limit of 5000 members (of course, member count isn't always the most important factor, so exceptions are granted for Pavilion and Magazine). I hope that this will make people who want to add their non-noteworthy site to the list think twice, since their site would not conform to the profile. I hope that you agree to this decision and will help me keep the list clean of spam. -- Michiel Sikma 15:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, if I removed your site, and you want it to be back in, then please tell me here why you think it should be in. The "hard limit" that I set at 5000 members is debatable and should only be used as general guideline to protect the section a little bit, and it's by no means a rule (that is commonly agreed on). -- Michiel Sikma 15:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I added the {{weasel}} template to this article. The reason is that there are a lot of unreliable and unclear statements.
Such as: "This game was featured with many improvements to RPG Maker 2 (for the same system) but also had its share of flaws." — first off, what does "was featured" mean? Secondly, what is its "share of flaws"? From whose point of view does it have flaws? What are these flaws? Is it generally accepted knowledge that it has flaws? What can be considered to be a flaw? These is no certainty in this whatsoever.
Another example: "Events commands can do anything from making things move to making the shade of the screen darker." — this isn't exactly weasel wording, but it's close; they can do "anything"? Again, from whose point of view? You can't use RPG Maker event commands to load an external database or XML file. Nor can you use them to print non-default fonts directly to the screen. It's also impossible to draw new windows. There are many things that event commands cannot do, so the "anything" is completely false and should be edited to show that the encyclopedia is only referring to "anything" within the capabilities of the RPG Maker engine. There are more examples of these uncertainties.
I also added the {{copyedit}} tag to the top of the article because it contains spelling mistakes. The design of the article (such as the excessive usage of bold text) could also be cleaned up. I hope that the editors of this article understand my concerns. -- Michiel Sikma 14:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed several "weasel" worded passages from the Noteworthy Games section, as well as descriptions of a few non-noteworthy games that hadn't even been released, yet. I added a brief description for Phylomortis as well, and corrected some erroneous information posted in regard to "The Way" -- namely that its panoramas were made with Maya. In fact, according to the game's author at the Gaming World forums, they were produced with Bryce 3D. An individual named "Maya" created the game's character portraits by editing the default RPG Maker 2000 portraits, which may have led to the confusion. -- John Arlington, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
The Laxius Power paragraph currently says this:
===Laxius Power=== ''Laxius Power'' is a trilogy of RPG games created by Indinera Falls (an amateur RPG Maker 2000 user from France also known as "Damianzeking", "DZK" and "Indy") with the RPG Maker game engine. Most, if not all of the visuals and music in the Laxius Power series that did not come with the RPG Maker 2000 software were pirated '''illegally and without permission''' from existing games, musicians, and authors, and fail to credit the original sources in any way.
It's kind of strange that it says that. Yes, Laxius Power is controversial, but to put in such a bold and uncited statement (including bold text!) means that someone's been using Wikipedia to try and blacken a game he doesn't like. Note that I also think Laxius Power is worthless, but that's not what this is about. The article should be objective, and this section should be rewritten. -- Michiel Sikma 07:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I think "The Program" should be retitled to make it clearer that it's talking about the PC RPG Maker series, because in time I would like to add information that is strictly about the console RPG Maker series, and not worry about people getting them confused. Valkysas 00:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
The section "Jay's Journey" was removed because of "personal advertising." I'm not adding it back, and I'm not even asking for someone else to re-add it, but I just want to state: for it to be personal advertising, would it not have to have been added by someone responsible for creating it? And since the only such person is the one currently typing this message, and I had nothing to do with its addition to this page, I wouldn't very well call it "personal advertising". Just, y'know, defending myself. -- HeroicJay 04:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
It was me that added it. And I'm going to revert it. Jay's Journey is just as "noteworthy" as A Blurred Line or Legion Saga, and a lot moreso than a few of these listed. As I stated in the piece, it is not, in fact, "fairly unknown", at least in the circles I've traveled in. And I believe that the game is especially noteworthy for the fact that it does so much with so little.
However, if you still see fit remove it after this, I'll let it be.
- GG Crono
I removed it. It's popular, but it's definetly not noteworthy or as popular as the Way or a Blurred Line. Revert my edit if you want, but I feel that this change is for the better. M2K 01:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Whenever someone plans on adding a game to the "noteworthy games" section of the article, could you please post here first, so it could be discussed if it's noteworthy or not? I think that for a game to be mentioned it must be popular in many communities, not just one. Also, if anyone thinks that Pokemon: The Evil Inside 2 should be kept here, please state your reasons here... I just reverted the edits. M2K 19:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
This is probably the first and most popular Rm2k game to go into main-stream news. Who thinks we should add it? NOTE: My username is Jasonflare-- 69.139.36.194 18:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Most RM games are non-notable in the broad Internet sense, but perhaps a list page (separate from the main "RPG Maker" article) would be an informative "Who's Who" in RM games. I'm not sure if this idea has ever been brought up before, but all over Wikipedia, there are lists of various (fairly insignificant) items with a central theme. It could work, you know? --Nameless Nutjob
I'd like to discuss the inclusion of a fansites section to the External Links of this page. According to #3 here, links promoting other sites are to be normally avoided. Although this is up to interpretation, I think that a link to a fansite only serves to promote it, and thus ruins the objectivity of the article. However, #3 here (I erroneously linked here in the edit summary), a single link to a major fansite is okay. I understand these are only guidelines and not official policy, but I do mean well.-- DethFromAbove 22:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I'll be removing the external link notice block thing at the end of the day unless anyone thinks this actually has to be discussed more. only one person is in favor of removing them, several people are in support of the links. we did this democratically, and the majority rules. external links stay.
I've noticed that the RPG Maker 2000 game, "Laxius Power," was added to the noteworthy games section via an extremely promotional fanlike description, using the terms "very well made," "excellent," and other such heavily-biased non-NPOV phrases to describe its storyline and design. I cleaned up the description and made it much more acceptable. If I remember correctly, this had been an ongoing problem with the separate Laxius Power pages (as well as those for other creations by its author) here, which were eventually all deleted. I suspect the same person who wrote them might have written the entry in question, but either way, it's fixed for the time being. -- Ashkenazi 04:30, 31 May 2006 (PST).
Valkysas 01:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Since I'm part of the RPG Maker Community, I heard recently that ABL: Line's End, is going to be made in RMXP. Should I add it?
The whole analysis of The Way being a sexual journey wasn't serious. Cocoa kept saying that as a running joke, and I've heard of no one else that espouses the theory. I'm going to go ahead and take it out. Feel free to put it back in if you think the article needs it, but I'd like to see the proof that people actually think that. -- Cronodude360 21:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
If a RPGMaker game is truly noteworthy, then it will have its own article, like Super Columbine Massacre RPG!. Otherwise, it needn't be mentioned in the article. We don't have articles on every single flash game even most of them are a lot more noteworthy than RPGMaker games. Wikipedia is not about what is big in some online community. Thank you. Mackan 11:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I think, if any games are to be included, then the article must represent a global view and should include games made outside of the western RPG making community. I mean, there are no mentions of Japanese games made with RPG Maker even though the program is made in Japan? _dk 03:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Thats how the section originally was. I'd have no problem doing that again, but many people objected to it before.Valkysas 09:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I believe I still have the originals from when that took place. On track, since the term "noteworthy" seems to need a new definition, then why not make it "RPG Maker Community Noteable Games" to narrow it down to games that are noteable within the separate communities? Just a thought.-- Ixzion 16:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Should RPG Maker Wiki really be in there? The members stats are all of Wikia's members stats, so they aren ot truly the site's. I think only a ocuple of people actually go there, and it doesn't have that much content.--Unknown
The point of the RMwiki being there was to provide a place for RPG Maker "spin-off articles" to go where they wouldn't be cluttering up Wikipedia. Examples of the articles including "Kamau" and "CBS." Abyssal leviathin 04:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Even so, there is no real reason for it to be here. The Age of Empires Wiki does not belong int he Age of Empires article simply because it does nto contain enough onofrmation on it.--Unknown
Ruby Game Scripting should not redirect here. Ruby can be used to script a variety of games not just RPG Maker things.
Has anybody got any idea were to buy the console versions of these for england. i live in england with an english ps2 so im not sure whether if i bought a american version it would work or not.so can anyone help find a site which sells english copies or american that can ship to england. i dont want to pay over £25 which is around $45 so please help. oh and 1 last thing. i have checked ebay and there not selling any apart form american ones which cost like £10 extra to ship over costing me like £35 which is around $ 70.
Is this game truly notable? M2K E 18:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
NO!
I would like to propose several major changes to the articles about RPG Maker here on Wikipedia. This current article is much to long, and is somewhat confusing in that various sections refer to RPG Maker, but not a specific member of the series. This article is already over the preffered size. Each RPG Maker is quite distinct, coming with newer functions, better graphics, and so forth. Leaving them all in one article is almost like putting all Final Fantasy games in one article. Here is my suggestion:
Articles to be created:
RPG Makers - A guide to what RPG Makers are, which ones exist (such as the RPG Maker Series), and a little information about RPG Makers' history.
RPG Maker Series - Contains general information about the series, including creators, translators, piracy information, background, and history.
RPG Maker 1995 (RM95) - Tells about the graphics, options, gameplay, and distrubution of this version.
RPG Maker 2000 (RM2K) - Tells about the graphics, options, gameplay, and distrubution of this version.
RPG Maker 2003 (RM2K3) - Gives information about the graphics, options, new battleview available, the various versions distrubuted, when released, etc.
RPG Maker XP - Tells about the scripting system, advanced graphics, etc.
RPG Maker Games List - Brief descriptions and details about various noteworthy RPG Maker games.
(also include the Playstation versions on different article, I just don't know much about these versions)
Articles that exist:
Sim_RPG_Maker - About a Tactical RPG Maker, apparently also by ASCII.
This will make these articles clearer, more concise, easier to read, and can be easily organized. Information about 'noteworthy' games probably NEEDS to be put in a seperate article, because of all the clutter it creates on the main pages. I'm willing to put some of these articles together if you all support this idea.
(Note: I am very willing to put together most of this, and ensure that each article will be clear and understandable. I'll have plenty of time to do this, so if you all agree, then I'll go ahead and start. Also, please remember, if it doesn't turn out well, we'll just not delete this article immediately, until we see that it'll work out. I'm willing to revert things back if we decide it was better as it is.) Kopf1988
This article contains mostly the exact same information as RPG Maker Series, so I think they should be merged. Anybody else? Covarr 17:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The list was out of control, seeminly everyone with an RPG Maker site was adding their links to the list. It was blatant advertising. People were removing links and replacing them with their own, putting their respective sites at the top of the list, this was totally against wikipedia guidelines. 2 or 3 is fine, 20 or 30 is not. 75.7.194.96 22:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I guess they skipped the big topic. I mean, the site even has a header for itself. :p -- Ixzion 17:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Tons of people are adding and removing many, many fansites. It is beginning to be a fight about whos fansite stays on the list and whos doesn't. I think that fansites should be removed all-together, and only the official RPG Maker sites should stay on the wiki. Who agrees?
See reasons listed on talk page for Custom Battle System -- Noah Smith 01:57, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, this has certainly gotten out of hand lately. "A Blurred Line"? Sure, that is a notable RPG Maker game because it is one commonly held to be at the forefront of the available library. But as for any of the other "notable" games, I have to call foul on their location within this article. Wikipedia is NOT, I repeat is NOT, an advertising site nor will it be made into one in the foreseeable future. Every single person who comes to this page does not own the right to advertise their unreleased and unnotable games. Furthermore, a link to a GW page of the title in question will not suffice for an article over the title and unless these are placeholders, I suggest removing them.
Basically, a general moratorium on what is "notable" and what is not should be reached before anything else is added to that particular section of this article.
Charles M. Reed 06:10, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
This is an encyclopedia; not a place to advertise material. Other than Legion Saga, The Way, A Blurred Line and Laxius Power I can't say I've seen any of those other games mentioned as high examples of RPG Maker 2000 capabilities. They should be either removed, or a convincing case made for their inclusion. Qjuad 20:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Whether you like it or not, notable games have been made with the console RPG Maker series, so please quit taking them down. Both the console and PC series are made by enterbrain, I dont know why you guys are so hell-bent on removing any mentions of the console RPG Maker series that gets put up.
-I think that either everybody can have their game up on this wiki, or noone can. For any of the games on here, sure, they are very good, but, they are still basically 'advertisements'... and to most people it wouldn't seem fair to have those games up there but not there games. It is, in this case, a matter of fairness. So I think, they should be taken out, and instead, the people who want to see projects can look at the links and all the websites. Guest
Valkysas 03:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
...Can be found here. All the games on the list have won Misao Awards, and the Misao Awards are the de facto "official" awards for excellence in the community. Abyssal leviathin 03:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
These games are hardly notable, I've never heard of them before and have been using RPG Maker for years. I think the entire notable games section should be deleted, or at least replaced with the games featuring on the official site, http://www.enterbrain.co.jp
Abyssal leviathin
20:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
So why not let EVERYONE put the game that they think is the best on this page... wait... they can't... because the list would be huge!! Once again... 'Notable' is an OPINION. Good/Bad games is 100% OPINION! Some people may think The Chairman's Quest sucked... and that another game not in the Misao Awards or listed here is the best. It's all OPINION. So either let people post the best games in their opinion on this wiki, or let noone post the games. Besides, if someone wanted to view a project, they could go onto one of the websites with tons of projects and check a couple out. No reason to have games that not everybody thinks are good on here!
To claim that a game is not notable just because not everybody likes it would be like to claim that a major political figure is not notable because not everybody agrees with his/her views. These games are both influential and wildly popular. While it's true that happen to dislike all of the "noteworthy" games listed for various reasons, I agree that they should stay, because of their technical acheivements and widespread popularity. Covarr 05:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
So far the only argument you've been able to give is that because you don't like them, they aren't notable and shouldn't be on the page. I've got some news for you: the world does not revolve around you. What you do or do not like does not decide notability: the opinions of the thousands of people who enjoy these games does. Grow up. It's not a big deal that these games are on the page. It makes the page more informitive. Deal with it. You're just being a troll and a pest and you're wasting everyone's valuable time. Abyssal leviathin 02:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
An can you give me a link to this stuff? I googled "Dark Kunu's Throne" and got nothing. I googled cchristian rm2k and got nothing. I even googled to find out whatever the heck TruePunkery is and got nothing. Are you just making crap up for the sake of arguing?
Abyssal leviathin 21:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Your "all or nothing" argument doesn't make sense. As for the Misao's being biased, do you have any evidence for that? Abyssal leviathin 04:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
You said they were official. I disagree with you completely, and so do many other people. Many other contests are official, and are judged by multiple people. This is unofficial and judged by 1, maybe 2 people.
I dont think the link should be redirected to Don miguel of spain. - Grundlegod 03:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Don miguel is russian...
for anyone who don't know, don miguel is translator of rpgmaker into english and is the reason that it's here.
-dejuismaster
In defence of the people who do use the illegal translations, If Enterbrain and ASCII realized the full protential of distrbuing worldwide (not to mention the fact that anime has loads of fans outside Japan) they wouldn't need to be worrying about piracy, and then everyones a winner. Instead it is just coin, coin ,coin never fan,fan,fan.
(And they wonder why piracy is high)- Dynamo_ace
Sorry about that, just want to get it off my chest- Dynamo_ace
Well in my opinion, Dinamo does have a point.
Possible vandilism at 18 July 2005 22:59 GMT, problem has been corrected- Dynamo_ace
Second possible vandilism at 20 July 2005 15:45 GMT, the user is annoymous with a IP adress of 68.110.100.149. Can the annoymous user please realise that Wikipedia is a neutral, un-biased encyclopedia and therefore i cannot accept the last two edits due to the fact they appear to look like they were boosting their site.- Dynamo_ace
Similar vandilism at 13 August 2005 09:54 GMT, the user was annoymous with a IP adress of 24.98.153.204. If this happens again i will report to Wikipedia to either ban both IPs or to call for a lockdown of the article.-- Dynamo_ace 08:57, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
I would like to comment that there's nothing illegal about translating it or distributing a patch that modifies the software such that it is in a different language; both certainly constitute fair use under copyright law. That said, actually distributing the program (as opposed to a patch) is very much illegal... The article could be editted to reflect this disparity, as the way it is worded leaves it slightly unclear. 129.21.124.58
Quote from RM2k Help file - "There seems to be a little confusion on this topic. First of all, possession of RPG Maker 2000 is lawful. RM2K falls within the same jurisdiction as anime fansubs. RM2K is a fansub of a program released only in Japanese. Unless ASCII personally asks Don to stop distribution of the program, there is nothing illegal about RM2K."
Check out http://www.enterbrain.co.jp/tkool/RPG_XP/eng/index.html I believe Enterbrain has wised up!
Yeah man uh... thats not new, I saw that 2 years ago, they paid Don miguel. he works for them a little..... --
Dejuismaster
04:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
No, he does not work for them, and they never paid him. You dont pay or hire the person who damn near ran your RPG Maker team bankrupt. 75.7.194.96 06:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he was never paid or worked for them. But what I have heard is that he did actually have their blessing in making originally translating the software. A fuss was never made about the english translation until ASCII became Enterbrain. I've also heard that rm2k originally sold very poorly in Japan, so to say Don Miguel almost bankrupted a company by distributing software in a language they had no intention of selling in is utter rubbish. Abyssal leviathin 20:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
63.205.212.167 removed official US site links and is hell-bent on advertising RPG Crisis everywhere possible, going as far as to sticking a blatant advertisement on the RPG Maker 2000 wiki.- Valkysas
72.140.2.218 keeps vandalizing the timeline section. any way we could get him banned? "Bill37212" is doing a damn good job removing his stupid remarks everyday though, thanks! Valkysas 20:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
It's just like a copy of a psp iso it's illegal. And show my ip because with all due respect I couldn't give a damn. Also If ya wanna find me lookp me up.
Yes, because we'd want to look you up because you called it illegal... "How dare you"? ... By the way, that was an example of sarcasm, just so you know
XD. How the hell is my game, Music Box, on the notable games list? Last time I checked I never released it. I think "notable" should be erased from "Notable Games made with RPG Maker."
The RPGMaker 2000 article adds little new, and is the only RPG Maker program to get its own article. Therefore I suggest that these two articles be merged. -- coldacid 16:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, i'll point out, this is getting ridiculous... you should be pointing links to the hub of the RPG Maker community, so far all i can see is links to relatively new sites. I don't know if people are trying to advertise or what, but links should be to the sites that have been pillars of the RPG Maker community for years. I.e. GamingW GamingGroundZero RPG2Knet Etc. Those three at least are the sites that have been around for a LONG time and were regarded as the centers of the RPG Making community in its hey day.
I'll give you that one, but many of them are still basically there for advertisement, GGZ is geared towards spriting now yes, but its still a useful resource and is still pretty active. But sites like GW and Rpg2knet should still be included. Or as you pointed out, if your going to remove one site, remove them all.
Quit taking the "official" out of the pavilion and magazine links. the pavilion has been around 6 years, the mag a little over 4. both are officially supported by agetec. Valkysas 04:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, we are fully supported by Agetec. Thus why we (I'm Valkysas, webmaster of the pavilion) listed the pavilion and magazine as "Official US Sites", because whether you like it or not, thats what we are. look at rpgmaker.agetec.com, they have links to both the pavilion and magazine everywhere. our official status is clear as day, so whoever keeps taking "official" out of our descriptions needs to stop.
I've changed the listings to note that the Pavilion and Magazine are the Official US sites for the console RPG Maker series (which is indisputable), and I have listed agetec as the US publisher for the console RPG Maker series. You cannot possibly object to that, can you? Valkysas 04:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, would the person who keeps changing my site's link (RPG Maker Magazine) and taking off my official designation please stop it? I assure you, I am legit. My site is even linked from Agetec's Official RPG Maker page. Ixzion
THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND. People are adding foreign language links here that should be on that language's RPGM wiki entry, and now there's even a link for someone's site just for their game. There are so many copycat sites in there thal all offer the same thing, the whole section is essentially linkspam. Can we get rid of it? it would be fine if people would quit adding their sites every single day, and not even noticing the message at the top of the section, but they keep ignoring it. Some sites are noteworthy and should be on here, but you know what? typing RPG Maker into google pulls them up right away.
So basically what I'm saying... is can we just get rid of the fansite listing, and only link to enterbrain and agetec's actual sites? enterbrain's RPG Maker sites (japanese and english), and agetec's rpg maker sub-site rpgmaker.agetec.com. thats all that needs to be there, really. 75.7.199.93 02:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I propose that this section be enlarged, and some of these lesser known games weeded out. For A Blurred Line, The Way and a few others, there can be subheadings containing short summary of the articles. I would like to start out with A Blurred Line, as it is probably the most prominant RPG Maker game, and then maybe we can make our way to The Way and others. Please discuss. -- imaek 21:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Having information on what makes these games notable is a great idea. I just hope that while weeding out less important games, people don't forget that this wikipedia entry is for all RPG Maker games, including 1, 2, and 3 for consoles and dont remove everything listed about those, which I've noticed has been a bit of a tradition here.
I'll bring in some more people from the console RPG Maker community so that the console RPG Maker games can be selected and removed by people who have actually played them, and know about them. Valkysas 03:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe this wasnt such a good idea. people have now decided to just list any random game, even those that don't exist yet. Wasnt it supposed to be "notable" games only? Valkysas 06:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, the detailed info on RPG Maker games needs to go, ASAP. more people are adding just random games that arent even out yet. they're using this article for advertisement purposes, which just isnt right. Unless anyone objects, I'm reverting the "Games made with RPG Maker" back to the old "notable games" list on monday. Valkysas 18:19, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I like to have that section enlarged with the epic-3part-game 'Laxius Power' http://www.laxiuspower.com/ As well that the best german version games from here http://www.rpg-atelier.de/award.php are also mentioned since there are (even if few) games in English as well. [anonymous]
While Gaming Ground Zero (formerly known as Gaming Overworld and The Heresy Academy) has received its share of criticism and controversy over the years due to its policies regarding copyrights, exclusive materials, and later incarnations of RPG Maker (not to mention its message board's closed-door policy), shouldn't it get at least some mention on Wikipedia's RPG Maker page? Like them or hate them, the GGZ staff has released some quite notable games that are curiously absent from the list here. Exile, Kindred Saga, Elcothied, Tabernacle, Shichimenchouken, Dragon Warrior IV: Renaissance, Crossbone, Chocobo Panic, and Yoshi's Maze Mania, to name just a few. Many of their staff members are talented artists as well. While I am fully aware that Gaming World (probably the most popular English-language RPG Maker site) is bitter enemies with GGZ, and much of the information in this Wikipedia page was contributed by people with ties to Gaming World, let us not forget Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy. If Adolf Hitler can get a more or less objective biography on this site, why can't Gaming Ground Zero?
Signed, Some nameless nutjob
I've removed some non-noteworthy sites from the external links section. Generally, sites with very low member counts aren't supposed to be there. I also suggest deletion for the RPG_Maker_Database article. -- Michiel Sikma 17:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Who made them? I'm just curious because they look really nice, not your usual RTP maps.
I don't believe that RPG Maker Magazine is anything official. If they are, then please cite sources to prove that they are. They look like yet another RPG Maker site to me. -- Michiel Sikma 22:51, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
This is under "Noteworthy Games." Considering I've never heard of it, I suggest it being taken down, unless of course it is noteworthy, though if it I find it strange that I've never seen nor heard of it.
Will someone PLEASE start actively monitoring the Noteworthy Games section? This place has become a linkspamming repository. No more unnotable games must be added to this section, or else it might be better to put the entire paragraph in its own locked down template. -- Michiel Sikma 11:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed some sites, divided the section into official sites and fansites. I also added a notice saying that this is a list of the "most noteworthy communities" and gave a hard limit of 5000 members (of course, member count isn't always the most important factor, so exceptions are granted for Pavilion and Magazine). I hope that this will make people who want to add their non-noteworthy site to the list think twice, since their site would not conform to the profile. I hope that you agree to this decision and will help me keep the list clean of spam. -- Michiel Sikma 15:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, if I removed your site, and you want it to be back in, then please tell me here why you think it should be in. The "hard limit" that I set at 5000 members is debatable and should only be used as general guideline to protect the section a little bit, and it's by no means a rule (that is commonly agreed on). -- Michiel Sikma 15:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I added the {{weasel}} template to this article. The reason is that there are a lot of unreliable and unclear statements.
Such as: "This game was featured with many improvements to RPG Maker 2 (for the same system) but also had its share of flaws." — first off, what does "was featured" mean? Secondly, what is its "share of flaws"? From whose point of view does it have flaws? What are these flaws? Is it generally accepted knowledge that it has flaws? What can be considered to be a flaw? These is no certainty in this whatsoever.
Another example: "Events commands can do anything from making things move to making the shade of the screen darker." — this isn't exactly weasel wording, but it's close; they can do "anything"? Again, from whose point of view? You can't use RPG Maker event commands to load an external database or XML file. Nor can you use them to print non-default fonts directly to the screen. It's also impossible to draw new windows. There are many things that event commands cannot do, so the "anything" is completely false and should be edited to show that the encyclopedia is only referring to "anything" within the capabilities of the RPG Maker engine. There are more examples of these uncertainties.
I also added the {{copyedit}} tag to the top of the article because it contains spelling mistakes. The design of the article (such as the excessive usage of bold text) could also be cleaned up. I hope that the editors of this article understand my concerns. -- Michiel Sikma 14:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed several "weasel" worded passages from the Noteworthy Games section, as well as descriptions of a few non-noteworthy games that hadn't even been released, yet. I added a brief description for Phylomortis as well, and corrected some erroneous information posted in regard to "The Way" -- namely that its panoramas were made with Maya. In fact, according to the game's author at the Gaming World forums, they were produced with Bryce 3D. An individual named "Maya" created the game's character portraits by editing the default RPG Maker 2000 portraits, which may have led to the confusion. -- John Arlington, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
The Laxius Power paragraph currently says this:
===Laxius Power=== ''Laxius Power'' is a trilogy of RPG games created by Indinera Falls (an amateur RPG Maker 2000 user from France also known as "Damianzeking", "DZK" and "Indy") with the RPG Maker game engine. Most, if not all of the visuals and music in the Laxius Power series that did not come with the RPG Maker 2000 software were pirated '''illegally and without permission''' from existing games, musicians, and authors, and fail to credit the original sources in any way.
It's kind of strange that it says that. Yes, Laxius Power is controversial, but to put in such a bold and uncited statement (including bold text!) means that someone's been using Wikipedia to try and blacken a game he doesn't like. Note that I also think Laxius Power is worthless, but that's not what this is about. The article should be objective, and this section should be rewritten. -- Michiel Sikma 07:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I think "The Program" should be retitled to make it clearer that it's talking about the PC RPG Maker series, because in time I would like to add information that is strictly about the console RPG Maker series, and not worry about people getting them confused. Valkysas 00:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
The section "Jay's Journey" was removed because of "personal advertising." I'm not adding it back, and I'm not even asking for someone else to re-add it, but I just want to state: for it to be personal advertising, would it not have to have been added by someone responsible for creating it? And since the only such person is the one currently typing this message, and I had nothing to do with its addition to this page, I wouldn't very well call it "personal advertising". Just, y'know, defending myself. -- HeroicJay 04:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
It was me that added it. And I'm going to revert it. Jay's Journey is just as "noteworthy" as A Blurred Line or Legion Saga, and a lot moreso than a few of these listed. As I stated in the piece, it is not, in fact, "fairly unknown", at least in the circles I've traveled in. And I believe that the game is especially noteworthy for the fact that it does so much with so little.
However, if you still see fit remove it after this, I'll let it be.
- GG Crono
I removed it. It's popular, but it's definetly not noteworthy or as popular as the Way or a Blurred Line. Revert my edit if you want, but I feel that this change is for the better. M2K 01:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Whenever someone plans on adding a game to the "noteworthy games" section of the article, could you please post here first, so it could be discussed if it's noteworthy or not? I think that for a game to be mentioned it must be popular in many communities, not just one. Also, if anyone thinks that Pokemon: The Evil Inside 2 should be kept here, please state your reasons here... I just reverted the edits. M2K 19:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
This is probably the first and most popular Rm2k game to go into main-stream news. Who thinks we should add it? NOTE: My username is Jasonflare-- 69.139.36.194 18:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Most RM games are non-notable in the broad Internet sense, but perhaps a list page (separate from the main "RPG Maker" article) would be an informative "Who's Who" in RM games. I'm not sure if this idea has ever been brought up before, but all over Wikipedia, there are lists of various (fairly insignificant) items with a central theme. It could work, you know? --Nameless Nutjob
I'd like to discuss the inclusion of a fansites section to the External Links of this page. According to #3 here, links promoting other sites are to be normally avoided. Although this is up to interpretation, I think that a link to a fansite only serves to promote it, and thus ruins the objectivity of the article. However, #3 here (I erroneously linked here in the edit summary), a single link to a major fansite is okay. I understand these are only guidelines and not official policy, but I do mean well.-- DethFromAbove 22:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I'll be removing the external link notice block thing at the end of the day unless anyone thinks this actually has to be discussed more. only one person is in favor of removing them, several people are in support of the links. we did this democratically, and the majority rules. external links stay.
I've noticed that the RPG Maker 2000 game, "Laxius Power," was added to the noteworthy games section via an extremely promotional fanlike description, using the terms "very well made," "excellent," and other such heavily-biased non-NPOV phrases to describe its storyline and design. I cleaned up the description and made it much more acceptable. If I remember correctly, this had been an ongoing problem with the separate Laxius Power pages (as well as those for other creations by its author) here, which were eventually all deleted. I suspect the same person who wrote them might have written the entry in question, but either way, it's fixed for the time being. -- Ashkenazi 04:30, 31 May 2006 (PST).
Valkysas 01:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Since I'm part of the RPG Maker Community, I heard recently that ABL: Line's End, is going to be made in RMXP. Should I add it?
The whole analysis of The Way being a sexual journey wasn't serious. Cocoa kept saying that as a running joke, and I've heard of no one else that espouses the theory. I'm going to go ahead and take it out. Feel free to put it back in if you think the article needs it, but I'd like to see the proof that people actually think that. -- Cronodude360 21:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
If a RPGMaker game is truly noteworthy, then it will have its own article, like Super Columbine Massacre RPG!. Otherwise, it needn't be mentioned in the article. We don't have articles on every single flash game even most of them are a lot more noteworthy than RPGMaker games. Wikipedia is not about what is big in some online community. Thank you. Mackan 11:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I think, if any games are to be included, then the article must represent a global view and should include games made outside of the western RPG making community. I mean, there are no mentions of Japanese games made with RPG Maker even though the program is made in Japan? _dk 03:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Thats how the section originally was. I'd have no problem doing that again, but many people objected to it before.Valkysas 09:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I believe I still have the originals from when that took place. On track, since the term "noteworthy" seems to need a new definition, then why not make it "RPG Maker Community Noteable Games" to narrow it down to games that are noteable within the separate communities? Just a thought.-- Ixzion 16:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Should RPG Maker Wiki really be in there? The members stats are all of Wikia's members stats, so they aren ot truly the site's. I think only a ocuple of people actually go there, and it doesn't have that much content.--Unknown
The point of the RMwiki being there was to provide a place for RPG Maker "spin-off articles" to go where they wouldn't be cluttering up Wikipedia. Examples of the articles including "Kamau" and "CBS." Abyssal leviathin 04:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Even so, there is no real reason for it to be here. The Age of Empires Wiki does not belong int he Age of Empires article simply because it does nto contain enough onofrmation on it.--Unknown
Ruby Game Scripting should not redirect here. Ruby can be used to script a variety of games not just RPG Maker things.
Has anybody got any idea were to buy the console versions of these for england. i live in england with an english ps2 so im not sure whether if i bought a american version it would work or not.so can anyone help find a site which sells english copies or american that can ship to england. i dont want to pay over £25 which is around $45 so please help. oh and 1 last thing. i have checked ebay and there not selling any apart form american ones which cost like £10 extra to ship over costing me like £35 which is around $ 70.
Is this game truly notable? M2K E 18:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
NO!
I would like to propose several major changes to the articles about RPG Maker here on Wikipedia. This current article is much to long, and is somewhat confusing in that various sections refer to RPG Maker, but not a specific member of the series. This article is already over the preffered size. Each RPG Maker is quite distinct, coming with newer functions, better graphics, and so forth. Leaving them all in one article is almost like putting all Final Fantasy games in one article. Here is my suggestion:
Articles to be created:
RPG Makers - A guide to what RPG Makers are, which ones exist (such as the RPG Maker Series), and a little information about RPG Makers' history.
RPG Maker Series - Contains general information about the series, including creators, translators, piracy information, background, and history.
RPG Maker 1995 (RM95) - Tells about the graphics, options, gameplay, and distrubution of this version.
RPG Maker 2000 (RM2K) - Tells about the graphics, options, gameplay, and distrubution of this version.
RPG Maker 2003 (RM2K3) - Gives information about the graphics, options, new battleview available, the various versions distrubuted, when released, etc.
RPG Maker XP - Tells about the scripting system, advanced graphics, etc.
RPG Maker Games List - Brief descriptions and details about various noteworthy RPG Maker games.
(also include the Playstation versions on different article, I just don't know much about these versions)
Articles that exist:
Sim_RPG_Maker - About a Tactical RPG Maker, apparently also by ASCII.
This will make these articles clearer, more concise, easier to read, and can be easily organized. Information about 'noteworthy' games probably NEEDS to be put in a seperate article, because of all the clutter it creates on the main pages. I'm willing to put some of these articles together if you all support this idea.
(Note: I am very willing to put together most of this, and ensure that each article will be clear and understandable. I'll have plenty of time to do this, so if you all agree, then I'll go ahead and start. Also, please remember, if it doesn't turn out well, we'll just not delete this article immediately, until we see that it'll work out. I'm willing to revert things back if we decide it was better as it is.) Kopf1988
This article contains mostly the exact same information as RPG Maker Series, so I think they should be merged. Anybody else? Covarr 17:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The list was out of control, seeminly everyone with an RPG Maker site was adding their links to the list. It was blatant advertising. People were removing links and replacing them with their own, putting their respective sites at the top of the list, this was totally against wikipedia guidelines. 2 or 3 is fine, 20 or 30 is not. 75.7.194.96 22:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I guess they skipped the big topic. I mean, the site even has a header for itself. :p -- Ixzion 17:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)