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Is it definite that the pure title is now a thing of the past? Are we sure that Danielson isn't going to just hold both and defend them separately? Tromboneguy0186 21:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
When was it declared a "world" title? Bdve 02:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Let's get this party started. First of all,
[1] states that "ROH World Heavyweight Championship" is the name of the title. It's not referred as that exact name by commentators and newswire authors and the like because it isn't necessary. WWE's "World Heavyweight Championship" does not have a promotion prefix; this title does. You could just as easily call it the "ROH title" and people would still know what you meant, even before the pure title was discontinued. Take, for example, WCW. Their top singles title was commonly referred to as "the world title" as well, with the champion himself sometimes called "the heavyweight champion of the world." That belt's name, obviously, was "WCW World Heavyweight Championship," but there was no need to say all that on shows. Lastly, in the worlds of shoot fighting and amateur wrestling, weight classes are only restrictive at the bottom. Should someone weighing 160 pounds wish to wrestle in the 220 pound division, there's nothing in the rules stopping them. Therefore, anyone and everyone can challenge for a "heavyweight" title, if you really really want to add that much significance to a word that doesn't have any. The problems of moving up in weight in shoot fighting and amateur wrestling (being physically dominated by the size disadvantage) aren't present in professional wrestling, so it really isn't worth getting worked up over. If the word "heavyweight" does anything, it adds an air of prestige to the belt, as "world heavyweight championship" is a well-known and respected phrase, whereas "world championship" is rather nebulous.
And please don't make wholesale changes to the article without first discussing them. Thanks. Tromboneguy0186 23:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I appologize for updating that without discussing it. However on all of their DVD releases the announcers never mention "heavyweight" nor when Gabe refers to the title the word "heavyweight" is never mentioned, nor is it mentioned on their fliers and posters. However I see where on one spot of their webpage it is mentioned, but in the results section (
http://www.rohwrestling.com/pastresults.asp) it's just ROH World title. Since the company doesn't refer to it as a heavyweight title when it is mentioned, I wouldn't think it should be refered to it as that. However, in the long run it doesn't matter. I just thought I was updating the page to what is correct. Thanks. WarEagleRK
It's ok. I'll agree to disagree. WarEagleRK
ROH's official webpage now lists it as the ROH World title. [2] WarEagleRKSept 6, 2006
You're too quick! I was just gonna come in and mention that Tromboneguy0186 21:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Cool, I'll get to work on the redirects. Tromboneguy0186 05:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was MOVED, per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 03:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I now do support this move; WP is now the ONLY place, so far as I can tell, that calls the title by this name. Tromboneguy0186 21:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
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Despite the article's title being changed, the category World heavyweight wrestling championships is still applicable, for many of the reasons I laid out in my crossed-out post above. Tromboneguy0186 06:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Since a certain editor wants to start an edit war (and I don't), I will bring this here. First, the ROH Title is not a world title, so it shouldn't say that it became one (I changed it to say that Joe and TNA started calling it that). Second, I added the air date for when the title change will be aired on PPV (which is standard for title changes that are taped before they air). TJ Spyke 00:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I Went To A ROH House Show And Saw Him Win The ROH World Championship Added It To The Article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.98.180 ( talk) 22:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
He may have defeated the champions but im guessing it wasnt a championship match because he isnt a former ROH Champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.39.15 ( talk) 19:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Nigel McGuinness successfully defended the title in Japan on May 15 against BJ Whitmer and KENTA, making for his 15th successful defense. www.noah-usa.cc's results page will verify this, and ROH's personal title history will be updated by the end of the week, given that the ROH newswire has mentioned this defense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.13.193 ( talk) 19:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
And just as a note, the Japan defense has officially been added to ROH's title history page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.13.193 ( talk) 14:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I think that the List of Reign Lengths can be merged with the Title history chart as it is redundant.
Since ROH recently debuted new World Heavyweight and World Tag Team CHampionship title belts, shouldn't we update the pictures of them on their articles? I'm not sure how to do this or I would do it myself. As for a reference, if you've not seen them, there are pictures of the new belts on ROH's website in the title history section. Wraith Wolf ( talk) 16:27, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
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As it is listed currently:
"Jonathan Gresham is the current champion in his first reign. He won the vacant title by defeating Jay Lethal at Final Battle on December 11, 2021 in Baltimore, Maryland after previous champion Bandido was stripped of the championship after contracting COVID-19 and being unable to defend at Final Battle."
There is some misinformation to some of these statements.
Yes, Bandido was unable to participate at Final Battle due to contracting COVID-19. However, neither ROH management nor Sinclair Broadcast Group, ROH's owners, stripped Bandido of the title. Bandido is still champion and is defending the title in the indies. Jonathan Gresham is interim champion and holds the original belt and is also defending the title on the independent circuit. Who knows - they might defending it on Impact or AEW in the near future. However, Bandido is still the champion and Gresham is interim champion.
This likely means a unification match when ROH returns in April. Himnmedia2017 ( talk) 20:10, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I think similar to how the Wiki page for the WCW World championship is divided into 3 different eras NWA, WCW, WWF, this page for the ROH World championship can be divided into 2 separate eras ROH and AEW. Because despite being it's own world championship still it with All Elite Wrestling now. 2601:243:1400:D95:79FA:8256:3F40:17E3 ( talk) 19:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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Is it definite that the pure title is now a thing of the past? Are we sure that Danielson isn't going to just hold both and defend them separately? Tromboneguy0186 21:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
When was it declared a "world" title? Bdve 02:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Let's get this party started. First of all,
[1] states that "ROH World Heavyweight Championship" is the name of the title. It's not referred as that exact name by commentators and newswire authors and the like because it isn't necessary. WWE's "World Heavyweight Championship" does not have a promotion prefix; this title does. You could just as easily call it the "ROH title" and people would still know what you meant, even before the pure title was discontinued. Take, for example, WCW. Their top singles title was commonly referred to as "the world title" as well, with the champion himself sometimes called "the heavyweight champion of the world." That belt's name, obviously, was "WCW World Heavyweight Championship," but there was no need to say all that on shows. Lastly, in the worlds of shoot fighting and amateur wrestling, weight classes are only restrictive at the bottom. Should someone weighing 160 pounds wish to wrestle in the 220 pound division, there's nothing in the rules stopping them. Therefore, anyone and everyone can challenge for a "heavyweight" title, if you really really want to add that much significance to a word that doesn't have any. The problems of moving up in weight in shoot fighting and amateur wrestling (being physically dominated by the size disadvantage) aren't present in professional wrestling, so it really isn't worth getting worked up over. If the word "heavyweight" does anything, it adds an air of prestige to the belt, as "world heavyweight championship" is a well-known and respected phrase, whereas "world championship" is rather nebulous.
And please don't make wholesale changes to the article without first discussing them. Thanks. Tromboneguy0186 23:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I appologize for updating that without discussing it. However on all of their DVD releases the announcers never mention "heavyweight" nor when Gabe refers to the title the word "heavyweight" is never mentioned, nor is it mentioned on their fliers and posters. However I see where on one spot of their webpage it is mentioned, but in the results section (
http://www.rohwrestling.com/pastresults.asp) it's just ROH World title. Since the company doesn't refer to it as a heavyweight title when it is mentioned, I wouldn't think it should be refered to it as that. However, in the long run it doesn't matter. I just thought I was updating the page to what is correct. Thanks. WarEagleRK
It's ok. I'll agree to disagree. WarEagleRK
ROH's official webpage now lists it as the ROH World title. [2] WarEagleRKSept 6, 2006
You're too quick! I was just gonna come in and mention that Tromboneguy0186 21:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Cool, I'll get to work on the redirects. Tromboneguy0186 05:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was MOVED, per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 03:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I now do support this move; WP is now the ONLY place, so far as I can tell, that calls the title by this name. Tromboneguy0186 21:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
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Despite the article's title being changed, the category World heavyweight wrestling championships is still applicable, for many of the reasons I laid out in my crossed-out post above. Tromboneguy0186 06:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Since a certain editor wants to start an edit war (and I don't), I will bring this here. First, the ROH Title is not a world title, so it shouldn't say that it became one (I changed it to say that Joe and TNA started calling it that). Second, I added the air date for when the title change will be aired on PPV (which is standard for title changes that are taped before they air). TJ Spyke 00:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I Went To A ROH House Show And Saw Him Win The ROH World Championship Added It To The Article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.98.180 ( talk) 22:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
He may have defeated the champions but im guessing it wasnt a championship match because he isnt a former ROH Champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.39.15 ( talk) 19:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Nigel McGuinness successfully defended the title in Japan on May 15 against BJ Whitmer and KENTA, making for his 15th successful defense. www.noah-usa.cc's results page will verify this, and ROH's personal title history will be updated by the end of the week, given that the ROH newswire has mentioned this defense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.13.193 ( talk) 19:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
And just as a note, the Japan defense has officially been added to ROH's title history page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.13.193 ( talk) 14:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I think that the List of Reign Lengths can be merged with the Title history chart as it is redundant.
Since ROH recently debuted new World Heavyweight and World Tag Team CHampionship title belts, shouldn't we update the pictures of them on their articles? I'm not sure how to do this or I would do it myself. As for a reference, if you've not seen them, there are pictures of the new belts on ROH's website in the title history section. Wraith Wolf ( talk) 16:27, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:38, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
As it is listed currently:
"Jonathan Gresham is the current champion in his first reign. He won the vacant title by defeating Jay Lethal at Final Battle on December 11, 2021 in Baltimore, Maryland after previous champion Bandido was stripped of the championship after contracting COVID-19 and being unable to defend at Final Battle."
There is some misinformation to some of these statements.
Yes, Bandido was unable to participate at Final Battle due to contracting COVID-19. However, neither ROH management nor Sinclair Broadcast Group, ROH's owners, stripped Bandido of the title. Bandido is still champion and is defending the title in the indies. Jonathan Gresham is interim champion and holds the original belt and is also defending the title on the independent circuit. Who knows - they might defending it on Impact or AEW in the near future. However, Bandido is still the champion and Gresham is interim champion.
This likely means a unification match when ROH returns in April. Himnmedia2017 ( talk) 20:10, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I think similar to how the Wiki page for the WCW World championship is divided into 3 different eras NWA, WCW, WWF, this page for the ROH World championship can be divided into 2 separate eras ROH and AEW. Because despite being it's own world championship still it with All Elite Wrestling now. 2601:243:1400:D95:79FA:8256:3F40:17E3 ( talk) 19:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)