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Shem1805 -- Responding to your 26 June 2009 edit which removed WP:WikiProject Trains-template from top of talk page with this explanatory edit summary: WikiProject trains removed - am I missing something? ... here:
In the 1920s, Canadian Pacific Steamships was a wholly owned subsidiaries of Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR). It's a bit of a stretch, but this conglomerate can be construed as somewhat akin to the pre-war Japanese zaibatsu in the apples and oranges sense that the trans-Pacific fleet (and trans-Atlantic fleet) were construed as adjuncts to the primary trans-Canada railroad business interests. The conflation of ships in a rolling-stock context of WikiProjectTrains may appears counter-intuitive; but the the 21st-century rationale which informs the judgment of those who have worked with this tag ( NE2, Traveler100 and Slambo) is justifiable -- see Canadian Pacific Railway#Steamships; compare Talk:RMS Empress of China (1891). The term of art is " intermodal" -- see Intermodal passenger transport and Intermodal freight transport.
CPR was an intermodal pioneer, making it possible to travel from Britain to Hong Kong using only the CPR's ships, trains and hotels -- see Canadian Pacific hotels.
The CPR president in this period, Edward Wentworth Beatty also presided over the genesis of Canadian Pacific Airlines, which is also tagged as part of WikiProjectTrains. His predecessor at CP, William Cornelius Van Horne, considered the railway an integrated communications and transportation system and convinced the directors and shareholders to create a telegraph service as a complement to the railway. Van Horne's legacy is reflected in the RMS prefix which distinguished the fleet CP Ships -- Tenmei ( talk) 19:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Shem1805 -- Responding to your 23 June 2009 edit which moved RMS Empress of Canada (1929) to RMS Empress of Canada (1928) with this explanatory edit summary: Disambiguated by year of launch in accordance with WP:Ships -- here and here:
See discussion at WikiProject Ships/Archive 9#Commercial Ship disambiguation.
All the ships in this non-military fleet are distinguished where necessary by a non-launch date disambiguation ... except this one. In other words, all ships (other than this one) in the CP Ships fleet are distinguished by dates of maiden voyage or by date the ship entered service. Whether or not that is something which needs to be re-visited remains an open question. As you know, the issue is treated generally at Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Ship names and with specificity at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Disambiguating ships with the same name -- Tenmei ( talk) 20:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Shem1805 -- I am unwilling to proceed further with this in the near future, but I was willing to search for plausibly relevant threads.
Perhaps it's best to conform the
CP Ships fleet with
Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Ship names; and each article can encompass a crisply-drafted, in-line comment note which mentions a plausibly alternate option -- compare n. 1 at
Emperor Ninmyō,
Tamba Province, etc. A pivotal factor which seems relevant is that
RMS Empress of Japan (1891) (which could be moved to
RMS Empress of Japan (1890) was launched in December 1890 by
Lady Alice Stanley, who doubtless viewed the event as noteworthy. If a new consensus about non-military ships does develop, these articles can be adjusted accordingly. When or if someone feels strongly enough to pursue this topic further, I will voluntier to modify the disambiguation dates yet again. After a period of pondering, I plan to revisit this subject in late-July or August.
A. Discussion threads at
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships):
B. Discussion thread at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships
In future, there may be better places for posting these captured links; but there you have it. -- Tenmei ( talk) 02:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Just leaving a note regarding a minor edit: the infobox 'Route' section had Saint John, NB listed as St. John, which I updated. Although it is silly, Atlantic Canada has two major cities of a similar name and as such Saint John, NB is never referred to as 'St. John' due to confusion with St. John's, NL. Interested folks can find countless incidents of ships arriving at the wrong port, 1,000 miles away, with some ease online. Another notable confusion is Antigonish, NS and Tignish, PE, the latter who signed the Bill of Lading for an 1882 Louis Mitchell pipe organ destined for the former, where it remains today. [added 14:09, 30 May 2019 by 103.219.78.13 ]
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Shem1805 -- Responding to your 26 June 2009 edit which removed WP:WikiProject Trains-template from top of talk page with this explanatory edit summary: WikiProject trains removed - am I missing something? ... here:
In the 1920s, Canadian Pacific Steamships was a wholly owned subsidiaries of Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR). It's a bit of a stretch, but this conglomerate can be construed as somewhat akin to the pre-war Japanese zaibatsu in the apples and oranges sense that the trans-Pacific fleet (and trans-Atlantic fleet) were construed as adjuncts to the primary trans-Canada railroad business interests. The conflation of ships in a rolling-stock context of WikiProjectTrains may appears counter-intuitive; but the the 21st-century rationale which informs the judgment of those who have worked with this tag ( NE2, Traveler100 and Slambo) is justifiable -- see Canadian Pacific Railway#Steamships; compare Talk:RMS Empress of China (1891). The term of art is " intermodal" -- see Intermodal passenger transport and Intermodal freight transport.
CPR was an intermodal pioneer, making it possible to travel from Britain to Hong Kong using only the CPR's ships, trains and hotels -- see Canadian Pacific hotels.
The CPR president in this period, Edward Wentworth Beatty also presided over the genesis of Canadian Pacific Airlines, which is also tagged as part of WikiProjectTrains. His predecessor at CP, William Cornelius Van Horne, considered the railway an integrated communications and transportation system and convinced the directors and shareholders to create a telegraph service as a complement to the railway. Van Horne's legacy is reflected in the RMS prefix which distinguished the fleet CP Ships -- Tenmei ( talk) 19:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Shem1805 -- Responding to your 23 June 2009 edit which moved RMS Empress of Canada (1929) to RMS Empress of Canada (1928) with this explanatory edit summary: Disambiguated by year of launch in accordance with WP:Ships -- here and here:
See discussion at WikiProject Ships/Archive 9#Commercial Ship disambiguation.
All the ships in this non-military fleet are distinguished where necessary by a non-launch date disambiguation ... except this one. In other words, all ships (other than this one) in the CP Ships fleet are distinguished by dates of maiden voyage or by date the ship entered service. Whether or not that is something which needs to be re-visited remains an open question. As you know, the issue is treated generally at Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Ship names and with specificity at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Disambiguating ships with the same name -- Tenmei ( talk) 20:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Shem1805 -- I am unwilling to proceed further with this in the near future, but I was willing to search for plausibly relevant threads.
Perhaps it's best to conform the
CP Ships fleet with
Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Ship names; and each article can encompass a crisply-drafted, in-line comment note which mentions a plausibly alternate option -- compare n. 1 at
Emperor Ninmyō,
Tamba Province, etc. A pivotal factor which seems relevant is that
RMS Empress of Japan (1891) (which could be moved to
RMS Empress of Japan (1890) was launched in December 1890 by
Lady Alice Stanley, who doubtless viewed the event as noteworthy. If a new consensus about non-military ships does develop, these articles can be adjusted accordingly. When or if someone feels strongly enough to pursue this topic further, I will voluntier to modify the disambiguation dates yet again. After a period of pondering, I plan to revisit this subject in late-July or August.
A. Discussion threads at
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships):
B. Discussion thread at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships
In future, there may be better places for posting these captured links; but there you have it. -- Tenmei ( talk) 02:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Just leaving a note regarding a minor edit: the infobox 'Route' section had Saint John, NB listed as St. John, which I updated. Although it is silly, Atlantic Canada has two major cities of a similar name and as such Saint John, NB is never referred to as 'St. John' due to confusion with St. John's, NL. Interested folks can find countless incidents of ships arriving at the wrong port, 1,000 miles away, with some ease online. Another notable confusion is Antigonish, NS and Tignish, PE, the latter who signed the Bill of Lading for an 1882 Louis Mitchell pipe organ destined for the former, where it remains today. [added 14:09, 30 May 2019 by 103.219.78.13 ]