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No consensus on the inclusion of DC Comics. Opponents argue, appealing to
WP:UNDUE and
WP:INDISCRIMINATE, that the article should focus on representative examples of RAS itself rather than every possible example, and they express concerns about the relevance and clarity of including DC Comics given its complex naming history. Proponents, citing
WP:V and
WP:RS, argue for historical significance and the long-standing recognition of "DC Comics" as an example of RAS. The discussion shows no clear majority leaning decisively towards either inclusion or exclusion.
Qono (
talk) 02:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Should DC comics be included in the list? This was last
discussed five years ago; however, little participation in that RFC led to consensus being established. JDDJS (
talk to me •
see what I've done) 19:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose this is article is about RAS itself, and not a list article for every example of it. There are probably dozens of other examples that people could think of, but it simply adds nothing to the page to include every single example of it. Even more importantly, DC has long since changed its name to just be DC and not stand for anything, it is highly debatable if RAS even applies here in the first place. I just do not see how including it helps improve the article in any way. JDDJS (
talk to me •
see what I've done) 19:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose Go ahead and remove it, I guess. This isn't the best example on that list. Yes, it is probably an example of RAS when comics nerds who are aware of the history of the DC say "DC Comics" (no matter the current status of DC's name ... changing your companies name or what you say it means doesn't change the language, or necessarily what people think it means). But given the complicated history of the name/trademark/brand DC, there's kind of an asterisk here. If we're only going to have a few examples, make them the best ones, not the ones that provoke responses of "Well, actually...".
Vadder (
talk) 21:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
you know what, to the bottom of hades with this
oppose unless someone (me or otherwise) can find sources that aren't paywalled
and to @
JDDJS, sorry about the comment in the revert, my "we already went through this and it was hell" alarm gave a false positive cogsan(give me attention)(see my deeds) 22:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
did a quick look, and only found two sources
one is from a source of questionable reliability, only mentions this example in passing, and nudges readers to go to wikipedia (this detail isn't important, i just thought it was kind of funny)
the other is from a source of questionable reliability in just about every typoe of case besides simple facts like this one, but also only mentions the redundancy in passing
but i will actually change my vote to a support anyway, because screen rant just isn't paywalled anymore, i guess cogsan(give me attention)(see my deeds) 23:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Support it's continued inclusion, as the OP points out, it has been on this very small, highly regimented list of examples for years. The debate about DC changing their name has little bearing here, even if DC really is just "DC" now, it was "Detective Comics" for decades, (and many people still recognize it as that), and that means that all that time, "DC Comics" was also known as "Detective Comics Comics", which makes it a perfect example for this list. An example that is supported by sourcing, btw, and a list that is not just a "list of current examples, btw. It's also a useful example in that it demonstrates that these examples don't have to be specifically three letters, they can also be two, (or four, or more). Why one or two users here (the op and a now perma-banned disruptor) have this long-standing gripe about this particular entry is somewhat of mystery, if not a waste of time. (jmho) -
wolf 11:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose per JDDJS and Vadder.
Nemov (
talk) 18:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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No consensus on the inclusion of DC Comics. Opponents argue, appealing to
WP:UNDUE and
WP:INDISCRIMINATE, that the article should focus on representative examples of RAS itself rather than every possible example, and they express concerns about the relevance and clarity of including DC Comics given its complex naming history. Proponents, citing
WP:V and
WP:RS, argue for historical significance and the long-standing recognition of "DC Comics" as an example of RAS. The discussion shows no clear majority leaning decisively towards either inclusion or exclusion.
Qono (
talk) 02:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should DC comics be included in the list? This was last
discussed five years ago; however, little participation in that RFC led to consensus being established. JDDJS (
talk to me •
see what I've done) 19:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose this is article is about RAS itself, and not a list article for every example of it. There are probably dozens of other examples that people could think of, but it simply adds nothing to the page to include every single example of it. Even more importantly, DC has long since changed its name to just be DC and not stand for anything, it is highly debatable if RAS even applies here in the first place. I just do not see how including it helps improve the article in any way. JDDJS (
talk to me •
see what I've done) 19:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose Go ahead and remove it, I guess. This isn't the best example on that list. Yes, it is probably an example of RAS when comics nerds who are aware of the history of the DC say "DC Comics" (no matter the current status of DC's name ... changing your companies name or what you say it means doesn't change the language, or necessarily what people think it means). But given the complicated history of the name/trademark/brand DC, there's kind of an asterisk here. If we're only going to have a few examples, make them the best ones, not the ones that provoke responses of "Well, actually...".
Vadder (
talk) 21:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
you know what, to the bottom of hades with this
oppose unless someone (me or otherwise) can find sources that aren't paywalled
and to @
JDDJS, sorry about the comment in the revert, my "we already went through this and it was hell" alarm gave a false positive cogsan(give me attention)(see my deeds) 22:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
did a quick look, and only found two sources
one is from a source of questionable reliability, only mentions this example in passing, and nudges readers to go to wikipedia (this detail isn't important, i just thought it was kind of funny)
the other is from a source of questionable reliability in just about every typoe of case besides simple facts like this one, but also only mentions the redundancy in passing
but i will actually change my vote to a support anyway, because screen rant just isn't paywalled anymore, i guess cogsan(give me attention)(see my deeds) 23:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Support it's continued inclusion, as the OP points out, it has been on this very small, highly regimented list of examples for years. The debate about DC changing their name has little bearing here, even if DC really is just "DC" now, it was "Detective Comics" for decades, (and many people still recognize it as that), and that means that all that time, "DC Comics" was also known as "Detective Comics Comics", which makes it a perfect example for this list. An example that is supported by sourcing, btw, and a list that is not just a "list of current examples, btw. It's also a useful example in that it demonstrates that these examples don't have to be specifically three letters, they can also be two, (or four, or more). Why one or two users here (the op and a now perma-banned disruptor) have this long-standing gripe about this particular entry is somewhat of mystery, if not a waste of time. (jmho) -
wolf 11:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose per JDDJS and Vadder.
Nemov (
talk) 18:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.