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See discussion at: Category talk:New York City Subway passenger equipment
Hi, I linked over here from AN/I. It seems that both sides have some interesting information here, but are arguing about which set to present. One thing I notice in the history is that User:M12592 seems to feel a sense of ownership about the page, as per this edit summary [1]. Calling other editors 'intruders' is a definite instance of incivility. Please recognize that all editors want to present information here. The other major concern I have is that this edit warring has resulted in cutting out parts of sentences, making the page incoherent. Is it possible for both sides to ADD their information to the talk page in differing sections, and see if it can be synthesized into one, stronger, longer article? I will post notes to all recent editors. ThuranX 03:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC) The first step towards this resolution, as I see it, si that the history section is contested. Can we get someone to commit to taking on the citations for supporting, or disproving, the history section? After that, a set of items each side wants included might need listing, then individual review (that is, item by item review, not one person review.) Thanks, all. ThuranX 03:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Someone with New York Times archive access can probably do something with these results. [2] is currently not loading or I'd link to a results page there too. -- NE2 13:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
ISBN 0964576503 should also be a good source, assuming [3] is a reputable publisher. (They should be, since the MTA references that book in [4].) -- NE2 13:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Despite massive reverts of unsourced information, most of the articles on rolling stock are unsourced to begin with. Unlike subway services, the MTA doesn't announce daily assignments to subway cars, as this is the same as announcing daily service disruptions. It's possible that the articles are incorrect to begin with. Many of the rolling stock articles cannot be verified. -- Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs) 14:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I tried repeatedly to engage the editor in discussion. failing that, I investigated his contribution history, which led me to file a sockpuppet report, which has since been borne out, nad the editor, and numerous socks, are now banned. This may not fix the page forever, but it should make delaing with this stuff easier. That said, I would be fo the betterment of this page to work out a proper History section, with citations. Reliance on the 'If you add it, you cite it' excuse got this mess going, as I've stated. A little effort from involved editors could avoid this entire mess. Use the cites I found at the bottom. Find more. But fix this so that it doesn't keep happening, and all involved will be happier. ThuranX 23:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Not all meet WP:RS, but may be good for backgrounds and jumping points for clearer research, the first, while thoroughly outside WP:RS, is a good first person account of rail history for at least the period in question:
That's three articles in about 10 minutes, not counting the sidetracking i got on about the Shimabara rebellion from this article, [5], which highlights the need for citation, because peopel are watching. ThuranX 01:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Are Ying Dor and Ying Dor 2 socks of Carlton? If not both, is one an illegal impersonator of the other? waht's the deal. Should a a Checkuser be filed? ThuranX 06:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
This article says "Because 75-foot subway cars take time to load and unload passengers and cannot fit into the entire B-Division lines, more recent orders returned to 60-foot subway car.". HOWEVER, according to the 2008-2013 MTA Capital Program, the fifth 75-foot subway car (R179, according to the document) order is proposed, meaning that the quote above could be false! They are intended to replace R44 (75-foot). However, this is a proposal, no one knows if it will be ordered or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Takuma Ishizeki ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
People need to stop undoing, there are facts on subchat with R160s all on the Q and R68/As back on the N.-- IGeMiNix ( talk) 01:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
As a rule, we have taken to using the Datta/Man datasheet for this site. The assignments on the JoeKorNer, while the actual assignments, are not necessarily what is actually occurring. Because of the often great difference between the reality and the official assignments, we have been using the previously mentioned Datta/Man datasheet. The official roster goes into substantially more detail than is true as trains must, for federal purposes, be assigned to a line. That said, Does the N's fleet consist only of Siemens R160Bs and R68As? No. Alstom R160As and R160Bs with Alstom propulsion run on the N all the time. In reality, when trains are sent out for an N/Q, nobody cares if it is an R160A, R160B1 or R160B2. In reality nobody cares if it is an R68 or R68A when they are preparing trains in the morning for the B/N. Because of the looseness of these assignments we have historically used the Datta/Man datasheet. 96.232.72.179 ( talk) 03:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
To all railfans, please stop adding to this article that the R68s are running on the G. Although this seems to be the case based on the numerous photos and videos posted on sites like NYC Transit Forums, Subchat, and YouTube, we have a strict policy where we use the MTA's official line-by-line assignment roster, posted on TheJoeKorner.com, to say which cars run on which services. Amateur pictures, videos, or statements from railfans or MTA workers are not legitimate enough to include on this site. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a railfan site or service guide. There will always be some exceptions from the JoeKorner datasheet, like R160As running on the N when it is only assigned R160Bs. The transferring of the G to the Coney Island Yard is still underway, so while R68s are running on that line, they are not officially assigned to it, thus we cannot include this on the article. The JoeKorner datasheet is scheduled to be updated on June 25, hopefully to show the new assignments of R68s on the G, the N becoming exclusively R160s like the Q, and the R entirely R46s. When that happens, we can edit the articles based on the new assignments. Until then, have some patience and stops saying that R68s run on the G. The Legendary Ranger ( talk) 23:52, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
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Can somebody check this or provide some sources?
"LED lights, door chimes (similar to those on the R142, R142A, and R179), and PA systems from SEPSA [it] (Italian: Società per l'Esercizio di Pubblici Servizi Anonima; an Italian railroad company) were tested on 2892–2895"
I find it very unlikely that SEPSA provided that equipment for the R68 for two main reasons:
- SEPSA never manufactured anything, nor never had any manufacturing capabilities either.
- SEPSA has been effectively defunct since 2012, when it was absorbed into EAV.
SEPSA was a small regional railway company (comparable to a "beefed-up" interurban) serving the western outskirts of Naples. It had been in a quite dire financial situation since practically the early '2000s, with decaying rolling stock and infrastructure (a situation comparable, and maybe even worse than Penn Central!). There's no way they could've manufactured, let alone provided, that equipment.
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See discussion at: Category talk:New York City Subway passenger equipment
Hi, I linked over here from AN/I. It seems that both sides have some interesting information here, but are arguing about which set to present. One thing I notice in the history is that User:M12592 seems to feel a sense of ownership about the page, as per this edit summary [1]. Calling other editors 'intruders' is a definite instance of incivility. Please recognize that all editors want to present information here. The other major concern I have is that this edit warring has resulted in cutting out parts of sentences, making the page incoherent. Is it possible for both sides to ADD their information to the talk page in differing sections, and see if it can be synthesized into one, stronger, longer article? I will post notes to all recent editors. ThuranX 03:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC) The first step towards this resolution, as I see it, si that the history section is contested. Can we get someone to commit to taking on the citations for supporting, or disproving, the history section? After that, a set of items each side wants included might need listing, then individual review (that is, item by item review, not one person review.) Thanks, all. ThuranX 03:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Someone with New York Times archive access can probably do something with these results. [2] is currently not loading or I'd link to a results page there too. -- NE2 13:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
ISBN 0964576503 should also be a good source, assuming [3] is a reputable publisher. (They should be, since the MTA references that book in [4].) -- NE2 13:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Despite massive reverts of unsourced information, most of the articles on rolling stock are unsourced to begin with. Unlike subway services, the MTA doesn't announce daily assignments to subway cars, as this is the same as announcing daily service disruptions. It's possible that the articles are incorrect to begin with. Many of the rolling stock articles cannot be verified. -- Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs) 14:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I tried repeatedly to engage the editor in discussion. failing that, I investigated his contribution history, which led me to file a sockpuppet report, which has since been borne out, nad the editor, and numerous socks, are now banned. This may not fix the page forever, but it should make delaing with this stuff easier. That said, I would be fo the betterment of this page to work out a proper History section, with citations. Reliance on the 'If you add it, you cite it' excuse got this mess going, as I've stated. A little effort from involved editors could avoid this entire mess. Use the cites I found at the bottom. Find more. But fix this so that it doesn't keep happening, and all involved will be happier. ThuranX 23:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Not all meet WP:RS, but may be good for backgrounds and jumping points for clearer research, the first, while thoroughly outside WP:RS, is a good first person account of rail history for at least the period in question:
That's three articles in about 10 minutes, not counting the sidetracking i got on about the Shimabara rebellion from this article, [5], which highlights the need for citation, because peopel are watching. ThuranX 01:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Are Ying Dor and Ying Dor 2 socks of Carlton? If not both, is one an illegal impersonator of the other? waht's the deal. Should a a Checkuser be filed? ThuranX 06:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
This article says "Because 75-foot subway cars take time to load and unload passengers and cannot fit into the entire B-Division lines, more recent orders returned to 60-foot subway car.". HOWEVER, according to the 2008-2013 MTA Capital Program, the fifth 75-foot subway car (R179, according to the document) order is proposed, meaning that the quote above could be false! They are intended to replace R44 (75-foot). However, this is a proposal, no one knows if it will be ordered or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Takuma Ishizeki ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
People need to stop undoing, there are facts on subchat with R160s all on the Q and R68/As back on the N.-- IGeMiNix ( talk) 01:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
As a rule, we have taken to using the Datta/Man datasheet for this site. The assignments on the JoeKorNer, while the actual assignments, are not necessarily what is actually occurring. Because of the often great difference between the reality and the official assignments, we have been using the previously mentioned Datta/Man datasheet. The official roster goes into substantially more detail than is true as trains must, for federal purposes, be assigned to a line. That said, Does the N's fleet consist only of Siemens R160Bs and R68As? No. Alstom R160As and R160Bs with Alstom propulsion run on the N all the time. In reality, when trains are sent out for an N/Q, nobody cares if it is an R160A, R160B1 or R160B2. In reality nobody cares if it is an R68 or R68A when they are preparing trains in the morning for the B/N. Because of the looseness of these assignments we have historically used the Datta/Man datasheet. 96.232.72.179 ( talk) 03:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
To all railfans, please stop adding to this article that the R68s are running on the G. Although this seems to be the case based on the numerous photos and videos posted on sites like NYC Transit Forums, Subchat, and YouTube, we have a strict policy where we use the MTA's official line-by-line assignment roster, posted on TheJoeKorner.com, to say which cars run on which services. Amateur pictures, videos, or statements from railfans or MTA workers are not legitimate enough to include on this site. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a railfan site or service guide. There will always be some exceptions from the JoeKorner datasheet, like R160As running on the N when it is only assigned R160Bs. The transferring of the G to the Coney Island Yard is still underway, so while R68s are running on that line, they are not officially assigned to it, thus we cannot include this on the article. The JoeKorner datasheet is scheduled to be updated on June 25, hopefully to show the new assignments of R68s on the G, the N becoming exclusively R160s like the Q, and the R entirely R46s. When that happens, we can edit the articles based on the new assignments. Until then, have some patience and stops saying that R68s run on the G. The Legendary Ranger ( talk) 23:52, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
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Can somebody check this or provide some sources?
"LED lights, door chimes (similar to those on the R142, R142A, and R179), and PA systems from SEPSA [it] (Italian: Società per l'Esercizio di Pubblici Servizi Anonima; an Italian railroad company) were tested on 2892–2895"
I find it very unlikely that SEPSA provided that equipment for the R68 for two main reasons:
- SEPSA never manufactured anything, nor never had any manufacturing capabilities either.
- SEPSA has been effectively defunct since 2012, when it was absorbed into EAV.
SEPSA was a small regional railway company (comparable to a "beefed-up" interurban) serving the western outskirts of Naples. It had been in a quite dire financial situation since practically the early '2000s, with decaying rolling stock and infrastructure (a situation comparable, and maybe even worse than Penn Central!). There's no way they could've manufactured, let alone provided, that equipment.