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-- Vyzasatya 15:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I have some background and interest from a non-Indian/Sanskrit/Hindu perspective. I'll help. :-) — RDF talk 17:48, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I support merging the articles, with a redirect of course. Is either term more commonly used today than the other? I was more familiar with using "Ashtanga Yoga." Did Patanjali have a preference in usage? — RDF talk 18:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
For that matter, in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali#The Eight Limbs of Raja Yoga article section, the information is more extensive than either of these two articles. Would an extraction from that section be warranted here? Also, I'll support redirecting the Ashtanga Yoga article into this one. — RDF talk 19:11, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
As you can see, we start with the Yamas and Niyamas (step 1,2) and Step 3 Asanas (= Hatha yoga). So what is stated in the article is not correct: "A Raja Yogi starts his Sadhana with the mind. He starts meditation and tries to control the mind."
We start with steps 1,2 and 3 and at the end of our Basic training course - after 9 month (parttime course 120 h, over 40 lessons)we are beginning with step 6 (Dharana)! Step 7 Meditation (Dhyana) in R-Y is very difficult. Raja Yoga meditation is meditating at "emptiness", and people starting with R-Y are unable to do that, even after the Basic course, for some students that takes 2-3 years, so during their teachers trainig course (parttime 3 years, 360 hrs, 120 lessons) they reach steps 7 and 8!
Practice of Hatha Yoga is not needed to start Raja Yoga, step 3 Asana = Hatha Yoga
So this is in general not correct: "Where Hatha Yoga ends, there Raja Yoga begins". Hatha Yoga is intergrated in Raja Yoga! hansB 22:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
What do you mean? How do you see the proposed merger of Ashtanga Yoga- Raja Yoga? Common usage - most people think they know what Ashtanga is. Ashtanga Yoga as a redirect cannot work. Possibly a disambiguation page. Paul foord 13:49, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Why merge the Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga and not Bikram Yoga, etc.
Please explain how the articles referenced at the
List of yoga schools will be dealt with - do we end up with a massive unwieldy article or will you have a summary with links to more specific articles.
Paul foord
12:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
I have expanded the Ashtanga Yoga article with the material from here and left a summary here. If you still want to merge then this is not inconsistent. Saves on creating disambiguation page. But question remains how to reference of 8 limbs items elsewhere? Paul foord 13:50, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I propose merging the Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga page with this one since there really is no system called "Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga" and the distinction between the entities, while seperate, are quite related. Ashtanga Yoga as taught by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois is a particular approach to teaching the Ashtanga Yoga of Patanjali. Again, the distinction should be clear, but they should be on the same page. Additionally, the first todo item on the Yoga discussion page is to merge the content that currently exists here over to the Yoga page, although it should also remain in some form here. Any thoughts? -- Souljerky 21:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Removed merge template - at a late stage can be further considered Paul foord 10:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
"Raja Yoga or Ashtanga Yoga is one of the four major Yogic paths of Hinduism."
How does this opening statement relate to Template:Hinduism? — RDF talk 16:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't mind the template being on the page. My confusion is about "the four major Yogic paths of Hinduism." What are the other three, where is Raja Yoga, and where are "the four major paths" located on the template? :-) — RDF talk 17:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
The plot thickens...
"Brahman-Atman Yoga is also the same Kriya Yoga discussed by Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras. Brahman-Atman Yoga is the proper name, Kriya Yoga is the common name, and Raja Yoga is the popular name."
Are there more "merge" and/or "cross-reference" issues here? — RDF talk 19:34, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Kriya Yoga and Raja Yoga is not the same thing. Raja Yoga means "Royal Yoga", and refers to the method of concentration (to achieve enlightenment/samadhi). Kriya Yoga more of a sub-genre of Raja Yoga, the method taught by the disciples of Lahiri Mahasaya (and their respective disciples, and so on).
The second line of the article currently refers to the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual Organisation.
Paul foord 12:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Now this is a neutral and balanced article and containing sufficient essential informations reagrding Raja yoga. user:Debbe03 November 2006, 23:35 IST
Hi.
I have a problem here delineating what is classically known as Raja Yoga, e.g. Patanjali, Vivekananda etc and the spiritist practises used by the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University which involves meditating on the channelled entity or spirit they call Shiva after the Hindu God, the channelling of so-called "Shiva" through BK adherents, and the use of channelled messages spoken through their founder and current medium as the new "Gita".
Now, it is perfectly clear that what the BKs are teaching is entirely novel and the use of identical terminology is entirely confusing. But how to qualify this on the wiki? Unfortunately the Western academics demanded by other editors - whether sociological or Christian theologists - are entirely unqualified to comment on the differences.
Thank you. 195.82.106.244 15:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The section on dhyana is clearly taken directly from Swami Sivananda's works. It should be attributed to him with the proper reference. -- Raga 07:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Gīta-4.2 speaks of a very ancient "The Yoga of Rājarṣi", but it seems to be a secret discipline, not properly explained anywhere. Rājarṣi may mean a king who was like a ṛṣi. The present article defines Rāja Yoga as the "king of yogas" , but Gīta seems to have a concept "Yoga of kings".-- Vinay Jha 07:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
evam parampara-praptam imam rajarshayo viduh sa kaleneha mahata yogo nashtah parantapa
Tried to integrate it in a compact way. Feel free to improve contents and cosmetics. Wakari07 ( talk) 03:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
The term Raja Yoga in hyp does not refer to Patanjalis yoga but to Techniques described in the HYP, The first perosn to associate Raja Yoga with Patanjali is Vivekananda in an attempt to denigrate hatha Yoga as mereley physical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.193.164.90 ( talk) 15:06, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
While I applaud the writers at their efforts to explain this immense subject, generally, I find the tone of this wiki to be too personal and "instructional" - in other words, just the facts, please. For example, the "definition" of Niyama is briefly stated, then includes the following instruction -
"He who practises meditation without ethical perfection, without the practice of Yama-Niyama cannot obtain the fruits of meditation. Purify your mind first through the practice of Yama-Niyama. Then practice regular meditation. Then you will attain illumination."
Are these intrepretations from Patanjalis sutras, and if so, which translation? Or, is the writer just giving us his/her own interpretation of the Niyamas, etc. and instructing us on practice? Does this even belong here? The source for this quote - and all similar quotes - would be helpful and would improve the quality of this wiki.
There are also inconsistencies in structure - why the briefest of statements for most of the eight limbs, followed by three paragraphs full of (somewhat) unneccesary details for the dhyana section? Omit needless words. Ekadesha ( talk) 13:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I had a cursory curiosity about Yoga so I started reading Wikipedia. I found this article to be incredibly hard to follow, especially the latter part. It need to be reworked by someone who knows the topic to be more descriptive and to use a LOT more English words or translations. As it reads now, it's not very useful. Kevin Rector ( talk) 06:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
this quote seems nice, but was too broad for Meditation#Hinduism so I'm putting it here for potential future use. makeswell ( talk) 17:19, 29 July 2010 (UTC) Pantajali recommended "meditation with the Lord as the object" as a part of the spiritual practices ( sadhana) that leads to samadhi, or blissful inner peace. [1]
References
I removed the following block of text ("<nowiki>" added here for clarity):
There are many types of yoga, such as hatha-yoga, astanga-yoga, raja-yoga, dhyana-yoga, and bhakti-yoga. Rudimentary hatha-yoga has become very popular as a form of exercise and relaxation, but real yoga -- as taught by Patanjali in his Yoga-sutra or by Krsna in the Sixth Chapter of Bhagavad-gita -- is an eightfold system of meditation for attaining samadhi, or complete absorption of the mind in the Supreme. The eightfold yoga process is very difficult to perform, and even Arjuna decided it was too difficult for him. And those few who can practice it often become captivated by the siddhis, or perfections, that one can gain through this yoga, such as the ability to walk on water, become extremely small, and control other people's minds. So the mystic yoga process, being very difficult and full of many possible distractions, is not recommended in this age.<ref>Pure devotional service, on the other hand, is far superior to fruitive work, philosophical speculation, and mystic meditation. ... Similarly, Krsna tells Arjuna at the end of the Sixth Chapter of the Gita that absorption in Krsna consciousness is the ultimate yoga: yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantar atmana sraddhavan bhajate yo mam sa me yuktatamo matah / "And of all yogis, the one with great faith who always abides in Me, thinks of Me within himself, and renders transcendental loving service to Me -- he is the most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all. That is My opinion" (Bg. 6.47). [http://vedabase.net/nbs/25/en2 Narada Bhakti Sutra 25]</ref>
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The first part seemed out out of place, and "but real yoga" is very POV. The rest sounded like it was supposed to be a quote but was written as text to the article, which changes its significance. -- Doug.( talk • contribs) 21:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I propose that Yoga Sutras of Patanjali be merged into Ashtanga Yoga/ Raja Yoga. The current sizes of the articles are 22,813 bytes and 17,664 bytes respectively. The largest section on the "eight limbs" (present in both articles) has a significant overlap (12,288 bytes in the former article and 8,192 bytes in the latter). And this is inevitable since Ashtanga Yoga/Raja Yoga is based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. A merger will allow us to gain the 'critical mass' necessary to develop the combined article to good article level initially and FA level someday. Zuggernaut ( talk) 02:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be overwhelming consensus opposed to the merger. I don't think there's any need for further discussion. I have requested an administrator to close the discussion and remove the templates. -- Presearch ( talk) 22:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
The phrase "the mind is traditionally the king of the body" is poorly supported and arguably a complete misinterpretation of the phrase raja yoga. Raja yoga is referred to as such partly because this path is being differentiated from other yogas as the "king" of all yogas.
Yoga literature supports an idea that the mind is not king nor subject. The treatise on raja yoga, patanjalis yoga sutra describes a much subtler relationship between mind and body.
Thus I'll go ahead and remove this unsupported and in my opinion very deceptive and unhelpful statement. The tradition where the mind rules the body is not from the yogic perspective at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.136.144.39 ( talk) 09:19, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
The term rāja yoga is a very ancient Sanskrit word. It was used in Upanishads and Puranas.
It is wrong to say "The term rāja yoga is a retronym, introduced in the 19th-century by Swami Vivekananda."
Vivekananda just translated the famous Yoga Sutras of Patanjali naming it as Rāja Yoga. He was just a translator and interpreter of the book.
The more original and authentic works are in Bhagavad Gita and Upanishads.The term rāja yoga is used in Bhagavad Gita. The ninth chapter of Bhagavad Gita is known as "Raja-Vidya_Raja_Guhy_Yoga". See Bhagavad-Gita By Sir Edwin Arnold. I think, Vivekananda took the name from Bhagavad Gita.
Some more ancient references for the name Rāja Yoga are as follows:
Yoga Tattva Upanishad,129-131(a)
AndrewNewYork ( talk) 09:21, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
I've split the article into Rāja yoga and Yoga (philosophy). Yoga is more than Patanjali's and Ashtanga. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:40, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Ms Sarah Welch: "In all historical texts, Rāja yoga in the modern sense of its meaning, is known simply as Yoga, where it means one of six major orthodox schools of Hindu philosophy" - is this this correct? Doesn't it refer to the practice of yoga, instead of the school of philosophy? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 18:22, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
What does this sentence mean? VictoriaGrayson Talk 00:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
@ VictoriaGrayson: I'm curious why White is "probably not reliable" here. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:57, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi Joshua Jonathan. Greetings of the day! I saw you revert the added content on the Raja Yoga page. May I know the reason, please. Was the added content not to the point? As I am new to Wikipedia, your explanation might help me to improve my editing skills. Thanks Rachel Ross Green Geller ( talk) 15:26, 5 January 2023 (UTC) Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:19, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
In modern era, Raja Yoga is emerging as Heartfulness meditation, also known as Sahaj Marg or Natural Path. It is continue in practice since 1945 under the name Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM).
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-- Vyzasatya 15:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I have some background and interest from a non-Indian/Sanskrit/Hindu perspective. I'll help. :-) — RDF talk 17:48, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I support merging the articles, with a redirect of course. Is either term more commonly used today than the other? I was more familiar with using "Ashtanga Yoga." Did Patanjali have a preference in usage? — RDF talk 18:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
For that matter, in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali#The Eight Limbs of Raja Yoga article section, the information is more extensive than either of these two articles. Would an extraction from that section be warranted here? Also, I'll support redirecting the Ashtanga Yoga article into this one. — RDF talk 19:11, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
As you can see, we start with the Yamas and Niyamas (step 1,2) and Step 3 Asanas (= Hatha yoga). So what is stated in the article is not correct: "A Raja Yogi starts his Sadhana with the mind. He starts meditation and tries to control the mind."
We start with steps 1,2 and 3 and at the end of our Basic training course - after 9 month (parttime course 120 h, over 40 lessons)we are beginning with step 6 (Dharana)! Step 7 Meditation (Dhyana) in R-Y is very difficult. Raja Yoga meditation is meditating at "emptiness", and people starting with R-Y are unable to do that, even after the Basic course, for some students that takes 2-3 years, so during their teachers trainig course (parttime 3 years, 360 hrs, 120 lessons) they reach steps 7 and 8!
Practice of Hatha Yoga is not needed to start Raja Yoga, step 3 Asana = Hatha Yoga
So this is in general not correct: "Where Hatha Yoga ends, there Raja Yoga begins". Hatha Yoga is intergrated in Raja Yoga! hansB 22:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
What do you mean? How do you see the proposed merger of Ashtanga Yoga- Raja Yoga? Common usage - most people think they know what Ashtanga is. Ashtanga Yoga as a redirect cannot work. Possibly a disambiguation page. Paul foord 13:49, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Why merge the Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga and not Bikram Yoga, etc.
Please explain how the articles referenced at the
List of yoga schools will be dealt with - do we end up with a massive unwieldy article or will you have a summary with links to more specific articles.
Paul foord
12:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
I have expanded the Ashtanga Yoga article with the material from here and left a summary here. If you still want to merge then this is not inconsistent. Saves on creating disambiguation page. But question remains how to reference of 8 limbs items elsewhere? Paul foord 13:50, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I propose merging the Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga page with this one since there really is no system called "Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga" and the distinction between the entities, while seperate, are quite related. Ashtanga Yoga as taught by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois is a particular approach to teaching the Ashtanga Yoga of Patanjali. Again, the distinction should be clear, but they should be on the same page. Additionally, the first todo item on the Yoga discussion page is to merge the content that currently exists here over to the Yoga page, although it should also remain in some form here. Any thoughts? -- Souljerky 21:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Removed merge template - at a late stage can be further considered Paul foord 10:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
"Raja Yoga or Ashtanga Yoga is one of the four major Yogic paths of Hinduism."
How does this opening statement relate to Template:Hinduism? — RDF talk 16:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't mind the template being on the page. My confusion is about "the four major Yogic paths of Hinduism." What are the other three, where is Raja Yoga, and where are "the four major paths" located on the template? :-) — RDF talk 17:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
The plot thickens...
"Brahman-Atman Yoga is also the same Kriya Yoga discussed by Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras. Brahman-Atman Yoga is the proper name, Kriya Yoga is the common name, and Raja Yoga is the popular name."
Are there more "merge" and/or "cross-reference" issues here? — RDF talk 19:34, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Kriya Yoga and Raja Yoga is not the same thing. Raja Yoga means "Royal Yoga", and refers to the method of concentration (to achieve enlightenment/samadhi). Kriya Yoga more of a sub-genre of Raja Yoga, the method taught by the disciples of Lahiri Mahasaya (and their respective disciples, and so on).
The second line of the article currently refers to the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual Organisation.
Paul foord 12:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Now this is a neutral and balanced article and containing sufficient essential informations reagrding Raja yoga. user:Debbe03 November 2006, 23:35 IST
Hi.
I have a problem here delineating what is classically known as Raja Yoga, e.g. Patanjali, Vivekananda etc and the spiritist practises used by the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University which involves meditating on the channelled entity or spirit they call Shiva after the Hindu God, the channelling of so-called "Shiva" through BK adherents, and the use of channelled messages spoken through their founder and current medium as the new "Gita".
Now, it is perfectly clear that what the BKs are teaching is entirely novel and the use of identical terminology is entirely confusing. But how to qualify this on the wiki? Unfortunately the Western academics demanded by other editors - whether sociological or Christian theologists - are entirely unqualified to comment on the differences.
Thank you. 195.82.106.244 15:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The section on dhyana is clearly taken directly from Swami Sivananda's works. It should be attributed to him with the proper reference. -- Raga 07:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Gīta-4.2 speaks of a very ancient "The Yoga of Rājarṣi", but it seems to be a secret discipline, not properly explained anywhere. Rājarṣi may mean a king who was like a ṛṣi. The present article defines Rāja Yoga as the "king of yogas" , but Gīta seems to have a concept "Yoga of kings".-- Vinay Jha 07:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
evam parampara-praptam imam rajarshayo viduh sa kaleneha mahata yogo nashtah parantapa
Tried to integrate it in a compact way. Feel free to improve contents and cosmetics. Wakari07 ( talk) 03:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
The term Raja Yoga in hyp does not refer to Patanjalis yoga but to Techniques described in the HYP, The first perosn to associate Raja Yoga with Patanjali is Vivekananda in an attempt to denigrate hatha Yoga as mereley physical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.193.164.90 ( talk) 15:06, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
While I applaud the writers at their efforts to explain this immense subject, generally, I find the tone of this wiki to be too personal and "instructional" - in other words, just the facts, please. For example, the "definition" of Niyama is briefly stated, then includes the following instruction -
"He who practises meditation without ethical perfection, without the practice of Yama-Niyama cannot obtain the fruits of meditation. Purify your mind first through the practice of Yama-Niyama. Then practice regular meditation. Then you will attain illumination."
Are these intrepretations from Patanjalis sutras, and if so, which translation? Or, is the writer just giving us his/her own interpretation of the Niyamas, etc. and instructing us on practice? Does this even belong here? The source for this quote - and all similar quotes - would be helpful and would improve the quality of this wiki.
There are also inconsistencies in structure - why the briefest of statements for most of the eight limbs, followed by three paragraphs full of (somewhat) unneccesary details for the dhyana section? Omit needless words. Ekadesha ( talk) 13:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I had a cursory curiosity about Yoga so I started reading Wikipedia. I found this article to be incredibly hard to follow, especially the latter part. It need to be reworked by someone who knows the topic to be more descriptive and to use a LOT more English words or translations. As it reads now, it's not very useful. Kevin Rector ( talk) 06:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
this quote seems nice, but was too broad for Meditation#Hinduism so I'm putting it here for potential future use. makeswell ( talk) 17:19, 29 July 2010 (UTC) Pantajali recommended "meditation with the Lord as the object" as a part of the spiritual practices ( sadhana) that leads to samadhi, or blissful inner peace. [1]
References
I removed the following block of text ("<nowiki>" added here for clarity):
There are many types of yoga, such as hatha-yoga, astanga-yoga, raja-yoga, dhyana-yoga, and bhakti-yoga. Rudimentary hatha-yoga has become very popular as a form of exercise and relaxation, but real yoga -- as taught by Patanjali in his Yoga-sutra or by Krsna in the Sixth Chapter of Bhagavad-gita -- is an eightfold system of meditation for attaining samadhi, or complete absorption of the mind in the Supreme. The eightfold yoga process is very difficult to perform, and even Arjuna decided it was too difficult for him. And those few who can practice it often become captivated by the siddhis, or perfections, that one can gain through this yoga, such as the ability to walk on water, become extremely small, and control other people's minds. So the mystic yoga process, being very difficult and full of many possible distractions, is not recommended in this age.<ref>Pure devotional service, on the other hand, is far superior to fruitive work, philosophical speculation, and mystic meditation. ... Similarly, Krsna tells Arjuna at the end of the Sixth Chapter of the Gita that absorption in Krsna consciousness is the ultimate yoga: yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantar atmana sraddhavan bhajate yo mam sa me yuktatamo matah / "And of all yogis, the one with great faith who always abides in Me, thinks of Me within himself, and renders transcendental loving service to Me -- he is the most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all. That is My opinion" (Bg. 6.47). [http://vedabase.net/nbs/25/en2 Narada Bhakti Sutra 25]</ref>
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The first part seemed out out of place, and "but real yoga" is very POV. The rest sounded like it was supposed to be a quote but was written as text to the article, which changes its significance. -- Doug.( talk • contribs) 21:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I propose that Yoga Sutras of Patanjali be merged into Ashtanga Yoga/ Raja Yoga. The current sizes of the articles are 22,813 bytes and 17,664 bytes respectively. The largest section on the "eight limbs" (present in both articles) has a significant overlap (12,288 bytes in the former article and 8,192 bytes in the latter). And this is inevitable since Ashtanga Yoga/Raja Yoga is based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. A merger will allow us to gain the 'critical mass' necessary to develop the combined article to good article level initially and FA level someday. Zuggernaut ( talk) 02:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be overwhelming consensus opposed to the merger. I don't think there's any need for further discussion. I have requested an administrator to close the discussion and remove the templates. -- Presearch ( talk) 22:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
The phrase "the mind is traditionally the king of the body" is poorly supported and arguably a complete misinterpretation of the phrase raja yoga. Raja yoga is referred to as such partly because this path is being differentiated from other yogas as the "king" of all yogas.
Yoga literature supports an idea that the mind is not king nor subject. The treatise on raja yoga, patanjalis yoga sutra describes a much subtler relationship between mind and body.
Thus I'll go ahead and remove this unsupported and in my opinion very deceptive and unhelpful statement. The tradition where the mind rules the body is not from the yogic perspective at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.136.144.39 ( talk) 09:19, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
The term rāja yoga is a very ancient Sanskrit word. It was used in Upanishads and Puranas.
It is wrong to say "The term rāja yoga is a retronym, introduced in the 19th-century by Swami Vivekananda."
Vivekananda just translated the famous Yoga Sutras of Patanjali naming it as Rāja Yoga. He was just a translator and interpreter of the book.
The more original and authentic works are in Bhagavad Gita and Upanishads.The term rāja yoga is used in Bhagavad Gita. The ninth chapter of Bhagavad Gita is known as "Raja-Vidya_Raja_Guhy_Yoga". See Bhagavad-Gita By Sir Edwin Arnold. I think, Vivekananda took the name from Bhagavad Gita.
Some more ancient references for the name Rāja Yoga are as follows:
Yoga Tattva Upanishad,129-131(a)
AndrewNewYork ( talk) 09:21, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
I've split the article into Rāja yoga and Yoga (philosophy). Yoga is more than Patanjali's and Ashtanga. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:40, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Ms Sarah Welch: "In all historical texts, Rāja yoga in the modern sense of its meaning, is known simply as Yoga, where it means one of six major orthodox schools of Hindu philosophy" - is this this correct? Doesn't it refer to the practice of yoga, instead of the school of philosophy? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 18:22, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
What does this sentence mean? VictoriaGrayson Talk 00:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
@ VictoriaGrayson: I'm curious why White is "probably not reliable" here. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:57, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi Joshua Jonathan. Greetings of the day! I saw you revert the added content on the Raja Yoga page. May I know the reason, please. Was the added content not to the point? As I am new to Wikipedia, your explanation might help me to improve my editing skills. Thanks Rachel Ross Green Geller ( talk) 15:26, 5 January 2023 (UTC) Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:19, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
In modern era, Raja Yoga is emerging as Heartfulness meditation, also known as Sahaj Marg or Natural Path. It is continue in practice since 1945 under the name Shri Ram Chandra Mission (SRCM).
WP:UNDUE; WP:LEAD summarizes the article(forgot to mention "unsourced"). This means that: