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Shouldn't the correct spelling be Qutbi? -- Yodakii 09:23:33, 2005-09-05 (UTC)
I removed this sentence from 42992624 [1], as someone contested it (and I can't prove it):
-- Vector4F 19:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Here are some changes I think will make this entry stronger. I am posting them here first for comments because the topic may be controversial, though I hope my changes are not.
More to come.
Leroy65X 19:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Qutbist positions on Christians are completely absent in this article, although Qutb spends a lot of time demonizing Christians in his writings. I am sorry, but Christianity is NOT the West, and it is time to begin getting clear on that. The Chief targets of Qutb's attacks were his fellow Egyptians -- The Copts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.133 ( talk) 18:09, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Qutbism is the Islamic strain of thought and activism, or ideology, based on the thought and writings of Sayyid Qutb, a celebrated Islamist and former leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood who was executed in 1966. The term Qutbee or Qutbi is used as a name for followers of these ideals, but the term is more often used as a negative label by Wahhabis or other critics, people who disagree with the Muslim Brotherhood, or want to distance themselves from the activities of militant groups whose ideology and activism is based on Sayyid Qutb's writings. "Qutbees" (also "Qutbis") usually do not refer to themselves using this name.
Removed this para as it is part of the article itself Hassanfarooqi 18:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
During the cold war the clerics of Saudi Royal Family hailed Syed Qutub as a hero of Islam against the "Infidel" Nasser. His biggest fan Maudoodi was the recepient of King Faisal Award. With the end of cold war, the Royal Family is seeing the ideas of Syed Qutub as a threat to their throne and have now taken a U turn. Saudi Arab's royal cleric Bin Baz himself issued fatwas in favor of Syed Qutub appealing for efforts to save his life. Now Syed Qutub is demonized by the same people long after his death. What a bunch of hypocrats.
The Wahhabi movement in Egypt was founded by Hassan Al-Banna. Syed Qutub was his student. Saudi Royal clerks would sometime react to the word Wahhabi and say it is a slur against them althought they had used it initially. They claim they are "Ahl Assunnah Wal Jama'h", a term used by traditional Sunnies. Though among themselves, they would refer to themselves as "Salafies". If Wahhabi is just a slur, why do they deny that Syed Qutub was a Wahhabi and refer to his works as Qutbism? If the Wahhabies dont like the term Wahhabi, then fine, dont refer to anyone as Qutubi as no one calls himself a Qutubi! What hypocrisy!
I'm the one who wrote (at least most of) this subsection
The information comes from the authors Kepel and Roy. Since it is causing so much disagreement here I will try to find the time to find the pages where the info came from. -- Leroy65X 15:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
POV tag was attached by an anon with no comment. I propose that without an explanation of what is allegedly POV, the tag be removed. OK with you Mezzmezzo? -- Leroy65X 20:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Also I propose this quote stay.
It sounds good for me, and thank you for enriching the article with your references. Arawiki 22:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
The comment of Ibn Baz is not relevent as he was not talking about Qutb. -- Arawiki 07:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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This article has many unreliable sources and examples of violations of WP:NOR. I will provide a detail list when I have time. For now, however, I will remove the following:
This book is obviously self-published. Wikipedia says "self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, knols, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable."
It also says, "self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:
Thus we need to be careful when using Milestones. Any usage must satisfy all the above conditions. Bless sins ( talk) 02:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't there a section that defines and demonstrates the invalidity of Qutbism main tenets under proper Islamic rulings? e.g. impermissibility of suicide attacks, forbidding of killing women and children, strict conditions to Jihad and impermissibility to rebel against even unjust rulers.-- Sampharo ( talk) 16:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
This is the sentence: // The most controversial aspect of Qutbism is Qutb's idea that Islam is "extinct,"[...] // It says 'most controversial' which doesn't really add anything to the sentence - also , it needs a reference (or a quote?) to illustrate the Qutb's opinion / idea that 'Islam is extinct'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monowiki ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
What makes a strategic planner at the US Army War College a reliable source regarding the tenets of a religious ideology? 94.222.183.169 ( talk) 06:09, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
And why is his proposal on expanding the meaning of Qutbism under 'tenets' (most likely controversial to many readers of Qutbism), and not under the heading of 'reactions from the security establishment'? Same counts for the word 'puritanical', that can well be perceived as slanderous because it sounds like a contraction of 'purist' and words like 'tiranical', while nobody knows its original, 16th century meaning. Pieter Felix Smit ( talk) 09:08, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
The article is centered on what other Muslims and the west think, is wrong with Qutbism, and what Qutbism thinks about the west, and on how it influenced Al Qaeda.
Important void is, why the Qutbist version of Islam does appeal so much to the poor and disenfranchised groups within Muslim societies. The answer is, that to them, Qutbism is not primarily about confrontation with the west, but about ending racism and inequality in the Muslim world. To them, Qutbism is about race and class. Statements about freedom and the need to do away with "one man's lordship over another," run like a mantra through Qutb's most read work 'Milestones' ( Ma'alim fi al-Tariq ). [1] Somalia's Shabaab also functions as an emancipation and protection movement for Somalia's 'Bantu' ex-slaves, and the same counts for Ansar Dine in northern Mali.
Nobody objects if I add an extra point to the Tenets section, and a few lines to the Spread of Qutb's ideas section? Pieter Felix Smit ( talk) 08:00, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello all,
I have made edits to disentangle 'traditionalist' and Salafi as the article was conflating these concepts in three places:
- "...have come under attack from traditionalist/conservative/Wahhabi Muslims." The use of '/' suggests that the three terms are equivalent. - "Traditionalist critics maintain "Islaam has affirmed slavery ... And it will continue so long as Jihaad in the path of Allaah exists." (Shaikh Salih al-Fawzaan)" - Actually sourced from a website called salafipublications.com In contrast, here is an example of what leading contemporary traditionalists say of slavery:
"Dr. Ali Abdul Baqi, head of the al-Azhar Islamic Research Centre, stressed that “international laws and charters have been issued prohibiting slavery and enshrining human freedom, and so ‘melk al-yameen’ has ended, and it is no longer present and will not return.”
He added “talking about ‘melk al-yameen’ now represents a return to the era of jahiliyyah and an invitation to forbidden and sinful sexual relations.” http://english.aawsat.com/theaawsat/features/egypt-slavery-marriage-case-sparks-controversy
- "the more traditional Salafi Muslims, and the more radically active Muslim groups associated with the Muslim Brotherhood"
To be clear, the very concept of Salafiyyah is to go back directly to the ways of the Prophet's companions, i.e. thus bypassing 14 centuries of evolution of Islamic thought, tradition and culture. Salafiyyah is a modern reformist movement that seeks to "cleanse" Islam from the heresies and "bida" of traditional Islamic thought. Salafiyyah and traditionalism are two opposite orientations in contemporary Islamic thought, so it is really necessary to maintain a distinction between them. (e.g. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2003/04/the-real-islam/378533/) 183.89.30.172 ( talk) 09:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello again,
The 'Muslim criticism' section currently contains only criticisms on ultra-puritanical religious grounds, like Qutb's anti-slavery. It would be great if someone could add some more 'mainstream' critiques, e.g. about religion vs political ideology, etc. 183.89.30.172 ( talk) 09:29, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the correct spelling be Qutbi? -- Yodakii 09:23:33, 2005-09-05 (UTC)
I removed this sentence from 42992624 [1], as someone contested it (and I can't prove it):
-- Vector4F 19:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Here are some changes I think will make this entry stronger. I am posting them here first for comments because the topic may be controversial, though I hope my changes are not.
More to come.
Leroy65X 19:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Qutbist positions on Christians are completely absent in this article, although Qutb spends a lot of time demonizing Christians in his writings. I am sorry, but Christianity is NOT the West, and it is time to begin getting clear on that. The Chief targets of Qutb's attacks were his fellow Egyptians -- The Copts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.133 ( talk) 18:09, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Qutbism is the Islamic strain of thought and activism, or ideology, based on the thought and writings of Sayyid Qutb, a celebrated Islamist and former leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood who was executed in 1966. The term Qutbee or Qutbi is used as a name for followers of these ideals, but the term is more often used as a negative label by Wahhabis or other critics, people who disagree with the Muslim Brotherhood, or want to distance themselves from the activities of militant groups whose ideology and activism is based on Sayyid Qutb's writings. "Qutbees" (also "Qutbis") usually do not refer to themselves using this name.
Removed this para as it is part of the article itself Hassanfarooqi 18:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
During the cold war the clerics of Saudi Royal Family hailed Syed Qutub as a hero of Islam against the "Infidel" Nasser. His biggest fan Maudoodi was the recepient of King Faisal Award. With the end of cold war, the Royal Family is seeing the ideas of Syed Qutub as a threat to their throne and have now taken a U turn. Saudi Arab's royal cleric Bin Baz himself issued fatwas in favor of Syed Qutub appealing for efforts to save his life. Now Syed Qutub is demonized by the same people long after his death. What a bunch of hypocrats.
The Wahhabi movement in Egypt was founded by Hassan Al-Banna. Syed Qutub was his student. Saudi Royal clerks would sometime react to the word Wahhabi and say it is a slur against them althought they had used it initially. They claim they are "Ahl Assunnah Wal Jama'h", a term used by traditional Sunnies. Though among themselves, they would refer to themselves as "Salafies". If Wahhabi is just a slur, why do they deny that Syed Qutub was a Wahhabi and refer to his works as Qutbism? If the Wahhabies dont like the term Wahhabi, then fine, dont refer to anyone as Qutubi as no one calls himself a Qutubi! What hypocrisy!
I'm the one who wrote (at least most of) this subsection
The information comes from the authors Kepel and Roy. Since it is causing so much disagreement here I will try to find the time to find the pages where the info came from. -- Leroy65X 15:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
POV tag was attached by an anon with no comment. I propose that without an explanation of what is allegedly POV, the tag be removed. OK with you Mezzmezzo? -- Leroy65X 20:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Also I propose this quote stay.
It sounds good for me, and thank you for enriching the article with your references. Arawiki 22:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
The comment of Ibn Baz is not relevent as he was not talking about Qutb. -- Arawiki 07:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
References
... To sort out your disagreements? I don't know much about it but it could be worth a try. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MEDCAB -- Leroy65X 14:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
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This article has many unreliable sources and examples of violations of WP:NOR. I will provide a detail list when I have time. For now, however, I will remove the following:
This book is obviously self-published. Wikipedia says "self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, knols, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable."
It also says, "self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:
Thus we need to be careful when using Milestones. Any usage must satisfy all the above conditions. Bless sins ( talk) 02:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't there a section that defines and demonstrates the invalidity of Qutbism main tenets under proper Islamic rulings? e.g. impermissibility of suicide attacks, forbidding of killing women and children, strict conditions to Jihad and impermissibility to rebel against even unjust rulers.-- Sampharo ( talk) 16:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
This is the sentence: // The most controversial aspect of Qutbism is Qutb's idea that Islam is "extinct,"[...] // It says 'most controversial' which doesn't really add anything to the sentence - also , it needs a reference (or a quote?) to illustrate the Qutb's opinion / idea that 'Islam is extinct'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monowiki ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
What makes a strategic planner at the US Army War College a reliable source regarding the tenets of a religious ideology? 94.222.183.169 ( talk) 06:09, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
And why is his proposal on expanding the meaning of Qutbism under 'tenets' (most likely controversial to many readers of Qutbism), and not under the heading of 'reactions from the security establishment'? Same counts for the word 'puritanical', that can well be perceived as slanderous because it sounds like a contraction of 'purist' and words like 'tiranical', while nobody knows its original, 16th century meaning. Pieter Felix Smit ( talk) 09:08, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
The article is centered on what other Muslims and the west think, is wrong with Qutbism, and what Qutbism thinks about the west, and on how it influenced Al Qaeda.
Important void is, why the Qutbist version of Islam does appeal so much to the poor and disenfranchised groups within Muslim societies. The answer is, that to them, Qutbism is not primarily about confrontation with the west, but about ending racism and inequality in the Muslim world. To them, Qutbism is about race and class. Statements about freedom and the need to do away with "one man's lordship over another," run like a mantra through Qutb's most read work 'Milestones' ( Ma'alim fi al-Tariq ). [1] Somalia's Shabaab also functions as an emancipation and protection movement for Somalia's 'Bantu' ex-slaves, and the same counts for Ansar Dine in northern Mali.
Nobody objects if I add an extra point to the Tenets section, and a few lines to the Spread of Qutb's ideas section? Pieter Felix Smit ( talk) 08:00, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello all,
I have made edits to disentangle 'traditionalist' and Salafi as the article was conflating these concepts in three places:
- "...have come under attack from traditionalist/conservative/Wahhabi Muslims." The use of '/' suggests that the three terms are equivalent. - "Traditionalist critics maintain "Islaam has affirmed slavery ... And it will continue so long as Jihaad in the path of Allaah exists." (Shaikh Salih al-Fawzaan)" - Actually sourced from a website called salafipublications.com In contrast, here is an example of what leading contemporary traditionalists say of slavery:
"Dr. Ali Abdul Baqi, head of the al-Azhar Islamic Research Centre, stressed that “international laws and charters have been issued prohibiting slavery and enshrining human freedom, and so ‘melk al-yameen’ has ended, and it is no longer present and will not return.”
He added “talking about ‘melk al-yameen’ now represents a return to the era of jahiliyyah and an invitation to forbidden and sinful sexual relations.” http://english.aawsat.com/theaawsat/features/egypt-slavery-marriage-case-sparks-controversy
- "the more traditional Salafi Muslims, and the more radically active Muslim groups associated with the Muslim Brotherhood"
To be clear, the very concept of Salafiyyah is to go back directly to the ways of the Prophet's companions, i.e. thus bypassing 14 centuries of evolution of Islamic thought, tradition and culture. Salafiyyah is a modern reformist movement that seeks to "cleanse" Islam from the heresies and "bida" of traditional Islamic thought. Salafiyyah and traditionalism are two opposite orientations in contemporary Islamic thought, so it is really necessary to maintain a distinction between them. (e.g. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2003/04/the-real-islam/378533/) 183.89.30.172 ( talk) 09:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello again,
The 'Muslim criticism' section currently contains only criticisms on ultra-puritanical religious grounds, like Qutb's anti-slavery. It would be great if someone could add some more 'mainstream' critiques, e.g. about religion vs political ideology, etc. 183.89.30.172 ( talk) 09:29, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
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