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This is an anti-Catholic article and should be removed from Wikipedia.
This is a tired article, apparently written by some born again Christian, who does not understand that Catholics believe in the communion of saints which includes the invocation, the veneration and the intercession of saints.
This Wikipedia editor quotes Jeremiah 44 which refers to the Queen of Heaven and equates this title with the modern day usage of this term in the Catholic Church.
Jeremiah was born 600 years before Christ and was referring to the pagan goddess Ishtar, when he spoke about the Queen of Heaven.
Catholics use the term “Queen of Heaven” as an honorific. An honorific is a term or title of respect. Saint Mary is also called by the Catholic Church Tower of Ivory, Tower of David, House of gold, Gate of heaven, Morning Star., etc. And Catholics are fully aware that Mary was not made of Ivory, and that she wasn't a star.
These titles are not meant to be taken literally.
It seems to me that the Anti-Catholic editors of this Wikipedia entry about the Queen of Heaven should be concentrating on the true reporting of the origins of this title for a Catholic saint and it would be more germain to the issue if these anti-Catholic editors directed their attentions to the upcoming Islamic terrorism threat, in which case back-biting Protestants will welcome their Catholic brethren in Christ, because there will be no one else to help them or any of us if Islam over-rides all of our own very hateful Christian sects.
Is Christianity a religion of love? No, it is not. It can't be because there are eggheads like the dude who wrote this article who is worried as to whether Mary is really the Queen of Heaven or if it is Ishtar? Duh? Worry about Iraq and and the deaths of people who are living today.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gregor99 ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
I am one of those "some born again Christian" as we are so rudely addressed. However, I do understand the rudeness as you feel attacked. I find this discussion quite interesting and from what I see the article in question is highly slanted against Catholic beliefs.
I believe it is important that we learn about each other ( that is why I came to the article in the 1st place [not knowing whether or not it was correct - lead there by my search engine]) and not address each other in such disparaging fashion.
I heard a comedian (Christian - Mark Lawry (sp?)) same something really funny not too long ago that was more true then it was funny and should give us all pause for thought...
He took an in formal poll of his audience...Do we have any Episcopalians? Protestants? Catholics? Baptists (there were others)...Then he said "One day we are all going to be gathered before the judgments seat and (in a sing song child’s voice) somebody’s gonna be wrooooooooong!" Much laughter ensued.
I am not trying to make light of religious bigotry - but that is what I see happening here on ALL sides. I have attended a Nazarine school, Lutheran school, Catholic school and even attended school in a synagogue. Can you imagine the confusion? Then I just lived as a huge sinner with a double twisting dismount and of pike. I am now born again. I however, believe I am informed.
God intended for us to love one another, to do unto one another as we would have done unto ourselves. True? True. Trust me on this. My Catholic brethren, I love you. Why? Because my Lord and Savior told me to and that is enough for me. Is it enough for you?
Be blessed.
The sentence which indicates that "Queen of Heaven" is a reference to Catholic dogma is inaccurate. The queenship of Mary is not technically a dogma, nor is her queenship a part of the dogma of the Assumption.
The encyclical which defined the Assumption as a dogma, Munificentissimus Deus, only says that, "that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory." Her queenship is probably not unrelated, given that Psalm 45 is often used to speak of the Assumption, but I don't really know what the real historical connection is between the dogma and the Assumption. Does anyone know? The sentence in the article about the dogma needs to be clarified, but I don't know this information necessary to clarify it.
Also the whole Christianity section includes no citations whatsoever. This should probably be addressed. Harlomcspears 19:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC) harlomcspears
I'm in favor of splitting off the "Fertile Crescent religions" section into its own article, and expanding it to note that Isis and Aphrodite were also referred to as "Queen of Heaven". -- Redeagle688 20:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I have reordered the article, and put the Christian parts together and first, and the pagan concepts afterward. This I feel is a neater and more logical sequence. Xandar ( talk) 00:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
This article contains assertions and statements of opinion that appear based in religious belief. Some of these statements come across as catechism or read like a discussion, which is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. For some examples, see the several parenthetical asides beginning with "(Note:", and note the capitalization of personal pronouns referring to God and Jesus ("His" as opposed to "his", outside of quotations). Editors should confine themselves to explaining the meaning and history of the term "Queen of Heaven" and not put forth any one teaching as a given. I have tagged the article with {{
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Eric
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13:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is listed as being part of the
Catholicism Wikiproject.
Since the
POV dispute that's been brewing lately seems in part to be concerned with differing
Christian views of
Mary, and as "Queen of Heaven" seems to be a primarily
Catholic appellation for her, I thought it might be a good idea to get the official
Catholic teaching on that title:
So, I've left a request for comments on this article at the
WikiProject Catholicism talk page.
I guess the question I have at this point is: should this article really be a part of that project?
Should it, perhaps, in fact, be re-oriented toward an emphasis on what is presently the
"Antiquity" section of the article, as it had been until very recently...?
--—
Wikiscient—
01:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
On the issue of being part of Project Catholicism. It has to be, since it concerns an important Catholic (and Orthodox) title. If people want to split the page into two - one for the Catholic Meaning and one for the Historical pagan usages, hat is a matter for debate. Xandar ( talk) 02:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I picked up the May 22 comment from above:
As I added to this article, the unreferenced antiquity article began to look worse. I created a new antiquity article, Queen of Heaven (Antiquity), added materials and intros to it, some new quotes, some cut and paste, and some structure. There is much more to that interesting topic than presently included. Maybe somebody here wishes to expand. This article has been greatly expanded. It could benefit from additional inputs. -- Ambrosius007 ( talk) 15:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I reshuffled the image locations so the text would wrap better on different screen sizes. Then I noticed there is another article Queenship of Mary that seems to be a good sub-section for this. Is there a reason not to merge them? History2007 ( talk) 14:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I think Ambrosius would be a better person to merge them (if he agrees) because he knows more about it. History2007 ( talk) 16:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The merger should go the other way: much of this article is in fact about other Queenships (Queendoms?) and as an article title Queenship of Mary could carry all of this. And there are several related articles which could also be merged or at least have duplicate content reduced, such as Coronation of the Virgin, Ad Caeli Reginam etc. -- Rumping ( talk) 00:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I don't see this. We have a number of articles on various aspects of Mariology. Examples of topics raised here which do not obviously belong in this particular article:
If this article remains with this title then it should be cut down, concentrating on examples of the explicit use of "Queen of Heaven" including links to Ave Regina Caelorum and Regina Coeli, a summary of Ad Caeli Reginam, and discussion of Apocalypse/Revelation 12 and perhaps Psalm 45 (neither of which are mentioned in Ad Caeli Reginam, though other biblical texts are). Pruning some of the trees would allow the wood to be seen.-- Rumping ( talk) 00:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
To do what is needed anyway, I brought in the text for Queenship of Mary as a feast, as discussed in August, but did not delete any of the existing text. There is no doubt that there are redundancies on this page. Maybe we should do the trimming gradually until enough of the wood emerges. The gallery has obvious redundancies and should probably be trimmed first. Who wants to do that next? History2007 ( talk) 04:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The article has been greatly expanded and improved since my last visit. The separation into distinct articles on Christian and antique elements is a good one. Xan dar 01:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
The phrase "Divine Motherhood" means to say that Mary is the mother of Christ's Divinity. I don't think even the most ardent devotees of Mary believe this. I know that the Catholic Church teaches (in accordance with the Scripture) that Mary is the mother of Christ's humanity, not of Christ's Divinity.
Therefore, I think the phrase "Divine Motherhood" is un-Catholic, certainly un-Scriptural, and most certainly un-factual.
But before I edit the phrase "Divine Motherhood" in this article, I shall take three days period to wait. Perhaps the phrase has an intended different meaning, if it does feel free to explain in reply to this my post. Archestrategos ( talk) 07:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
What I mean is this: Mary is the mother of the humanity of Jesus, and is the bearer of the Divinity of Jesus.
This distinction is very important. Using the term "Divine Motherhood" might be misunderstood as implying that the Church teaches that Mary is the mother of the Divinity of Jesus.
This would imply polytheism, and would imply that the Divinity of the Son is temporal.
Not what the Church teaches.
-- Archestrategos ( talk) 15:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Quite right. And therefore to avoid misunderstanding, why not include a small section at the beginning of this article elucidating the distinction contained in the phrase "Divine Motherhood"?
Otherwise, without prior elucidation, this article might cause people to misunderstand the meaning of the teaching of the Church regarding Mary's maternity.
If that happens, then it would no longer be informative, but disinformative.
-- Archestrategos ( talk) 15:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Try the Chalcedonian Creed. Mary is the Mother of God according to Manhood.
-- Archestrategos ( talk) 03:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I think Johnbod's touch ups of Cjeynes's edits were an improvement, in case a debate starts there. History2007 ( talk) 17:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I removed the two paragraphs which were clearly written from a Fundamentalist position. Nothing within it could be considered factual or neutral. If anybody wishes to write something explaining the Protestant POV then feel free but don't repaste the slop that I just removed.
Again I see that the Protestant article has been returned. Once again I have deleted it. In no way can it be considered neutral but is an attack (and may I say, an ignorant attack by a Bible-dumb Fundamentalist) on Catholicism. How on earth the following can count as neutral I do not know:
'This, of course, is nothing more than baptized paganism.' Scripture, Mary the mother of Jesus, is never portrayed in any kind of light suggested by the teachings of Roman Catholicism.' 'Elevating Mary to the place of "Queen of Heaven" (a term not found in the New Testament, but only found in the Book of Jeremiah referring to the pagan goddess Isis or perhaps Ashurah), is a doctrine that is incompatible with the plain text of the Bible. If this kind of doctrinal innovation is allowed, there is no limit to the different kinds of doctrine that one could teach, because it would not be limited by Scripture, but only by the bold wickedness of the person so inclined to invent a new religion at variance with the Bible' If it keeps on being reprinted I will continue to remove it. If somebody wishes to write a neutral article on what Protestants believe about the title Queen of Heaven then be my guest.-- Good News 17:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Regina Coeli is one of the Marian Anthem, all of which are regularly sung in Latin to this day in religious houses and seminaries. I would prefer that title or as it matches the other Marian Anthems. -- Vaquero100 02:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure where to put this, but I think that the title King of Angels / King of Heaven is also a title given to either Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit, due the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary is often called as the spouse of the Holy Spirit. ADM ( talk) 06:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
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That was never my intent in attempting to put the pagan and the Biblical view - as you noticed, I respectfully did not remove, edit or destroy one word of what was on the page- particularly not the Catholic faith, due to the fact that this is an encyclopedia, where the point is to have access to varying points of view, even those we do not agree with. I deeply apologize that it was seen by some as an attack upon the Catholic faith. I added what the Bible has to say about QoH. In the interest of representing a third definition, I added with Pagans/Wiccans believe about the Queen of Heaven. I respectully request that this wiki on QoH be locked so that each view be allowed, or split the wiki - in the interest of representing ALL faiths, ALL views be included concerning the Queen of Heaven, including the Catholic view. Thanks, and take care. -- 24.113.224.224 ( talk) 04:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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I occasionally attend liturgy in a Russian Orthodox church. Though the church is named Holy Trinity, the topmost and by far the largest icon on the wall behind the altar is of a majestic woman, arms raised in benediction, with a child on her lap. My first reaction was that this is certainly not the meek young maiden in Luke's birth narrative or the woman briefly mentioned elsewhere in the New Testament. She seems to an outsider clearly to be the Great Goddess, Isis. Could it be that while the patriarchal church removed the feminine from its trinity, artists and cathedral builders under the guise of Mary perhaps unconsciously restored the Queen of Heaven to the high position she held throughout antiquity? Icons of the Madonna and Child as well as the Queen of Heaven seem obviously pre-Christian. How many Catholics today, especially in Romance and Latin countries pray, not to God or to Jesus, but to Mary, Queen of Heaven? 75.15.29.210 ( talk) 19:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC) Jim Lacey ( talk) 19:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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Bold text Not everyone is going to believe in what you believe in. So if some people want to believe in Mary being the Queen of Heaven, then let them. The ones that don't let them be as well. It is not up to ANY of you to determine what should be believed and what should not. God is the ONLY judge. So stop arguing like little school children. God is Love, and Love is God. He knows our hearts. Live Life, Love and laugh. Stop with the bickering. Enjoy life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisPaulOMG ( talk • contribs) 01:58, 2 December 2013 (UTC) |
The last sentence of the section OTHER TITLES, "This reference came at a time during which space exploration was beginning," is out of place. Can I or someone delete it? DKPhilosophy ( talk) 20:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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This is an anti-Catholic article and should be removed from Wikipedia.
This is a tired article, apparently written by some born again Christian, who does not understand that Catholics believe in the communion of saints which includes the invocation, the veneration and the intercession of saints.
This Wikipedia editor quotes Jeremiah 44 which refers to the Queen of Heaven and equates this title with the modern day usage of this term in the Catholic Church.
Jeremiah was born 600 years before Christ and was referring to the pagan goddess Ishtar, when he spoke about the Queen of Heaven.
Catholics use the term “Queen of Heaven” as an honorific. An honorific is a term or title of respect. Saint Mary is also called by the Catholic Church Tower of Ivory, Tower of David, House of gold, Gate of heaven, Morning Star., etc. And Catholics are fully aware that Mary was not made of Ivory, and that she wasn't a star.
These titles are not meant to be taken literally.
It seems to me that the Anti-Catholic editors of this Wikipedia entry about the Queen of Heaven should be concentrating on the true reporting of the origins of this title for a Catholic saint and it would be more germain to the issue if these anti-Catholic editors directed their attentions to the upcoming Islamic terrorism threat, in which case back-biting Protestants will welcome their Catholic brethren in Christ, because there will be no one else to help them or any of us if Islam over-rides all of our own very hateful Christian sects.
Is Christianity a religion of love? No, it is not. It can't be because there are eggheads like the dude who wrote this article who is worried as to whether Mary is really the Queen of Heaven or if it is Ishtar? Duh? Worry about Iraq and and the deaths of people who are living today.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gregor99 ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
I am one of those "some born again Christian" as we are so rudely addressed. However, I do understand the rudeness as you feel attacked. I find this discussion quite interesting and from what I see the article in question is highly slanted against Catholic beliefs.
I believe it is important that we learn about each other ( that is why I came to the article in the 1st place [not knowing whether or not it was correct - lead there by my search engine]) and not address each other in such disparaging fashion.
I heard a comedian (Christian - Mark Lawry (sp?)) same something really funny not too long ago that was more true then it was funny and should give us all pause for thought...
He took an in formal poll of his audience...Do we have any Episcopalians? Protestants? Catholics? Baptists (there were others)...Then he said "One day we are all going to be gathered before the judgments seat and (in a sing song child’s voice) somebody’s gonna be wrooooooooong!" Much laughter ensued.
I am not trying to make light of religious bigotry - but that is what I see happening here on ALL sides. I have attended a Nazarine school, Lutheran school, Catholic school and even attended school in a synagogue. Can you imagine the confusion? Then I just lived as a huge sinner with a double twisting dismount and of pike. I am now born again. I however, believe I am informed.
God intended for us to love one another, to do unto one another as we would have done unto ourselves. True? True. Trust me on this. My Catholic brethren, I love you. Why? Because my Lord and Savior told me to and that is enough for me. Is it enough for you?
Be blessed.
The sentence which indicates that "Queen of Heaven" is a reference to Catholic dogma is inaccurate. The queenship of Mary is not technically a dogma, nor is her queenship a part of the dogma of the Assumption.
The encyclical which defined the Assumption as a dogma, Munificentissimus Deus, only says that, "that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory." Her queenship is probably not unrelated, given that Psalm 45 is often used to speak of the Assumption, but I don't really know what the real historical connection is between the dogma and the Assumption. Does anyone know? The sentence in the article about the dogma needs to be clarified, but I don't know this information necessary to clarify it.
Also the whole Christianity section includes no citations whatsoever. This should probably be addressed. Harlomcspears 19:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC) harlomcspears
I'm in favor of splitting off the "Fertile Crescent religions" section into its own article, and expanding it to note that Isis and Aphrodite were also referred to as "Queen of Heaven". -- Redeagle688 20:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I have reordered the article, and put the Christian parts together and first, and the pagan concepts afterward. This I feel is a neater and more logical sequence. Xandar ( talk) 00:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
This article contains assertions and statements of opinion that appear based in religious belief. Some of these statements come across as catechism or read like a discussion, which is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. For some examples, see the several parenthetical asides beginning with "(Note:", and note the capitalization of personal pronouns referring to God and Jesus ("His" as opposed to "his", outside of quotations). Editors should confine themselves to explaining the meaning and history of the term "Queen of Heaven" and not put forth any one teaching as a given. I have tagged the article with {{
POV-check}}. -
Eric
talk
13:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is listed as being part of the
Catholicism Wikiproject.
Since the
POV dispute that's been brewing lately seems in part to be concerned with differing
Christian views of
Mary, and as "Queen of Heaven" seems to be a primarily
Catholic appellation for her, I thought it might be a good idea to get the official
Catholic teaching on that title:
So, I've left a request for comments on this article at the
WikiProject Catholicism talk page.
I guess the question I have at this point is: should this article really be a part of that project?
Should it, perhaps, in fact, be re-oriented toward an emphasis on what is presently the
"Antiquity" section of the article, as it had been until very recently...?
--—
Wikiscient—
01:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
On the issue of being part of Project Catholicism. It has to be, since it concerns an important Catholic (and Orthodox) title. If people want to split the page into two - one for the Catholic Meaning and one for the Historical pagan usages, hat is a matter for debate. Xandar ( talk) 02:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I picked up the May 22 comment from above:
As I added to this article, the unreferenced antiquity article began to look worse. I created a new antiquity article, Queen of Heaven (Antiquity), added materials and intros to it, some new quotes, some cut and paste, and some structure. There is much more to that interesting topic than presently included. Maybe somebody here wishes to expand. This article has been greatly expanded. It could benefit from additional inputs. -- Ambrosius007 ( talk) 15:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I reshuffled the image locations so the text would wrap better on different screen sizes. Then I noticed there is another article Queenship of Mary that seems to be a good sub-section for this. Is there a reason not to merge them? History2007 ( talk) 14:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I think Ambrosius would be a better person to merge them (if he agrees) because he knows more about it. History2007 ( talk) 16:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The merger should go the other way: much of this article is in fact about other Queenships (Queendoms?) and as an article title Queenship of Mary could carry all of this. And there are several related articles which could also be merged or at least have duplicate content reduced, such as Coronation of the Virgin, Ad Caeli Reginam etc. -- Rumping ( talk) 00:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I don't see this. We have a number of articles on various aspects of Mariology. Examples of topics raised here which do not obviously belong in this particular article:
If this article remains with this title then it should be cut down, concentrating on examples of the explicit use of "Queen of Heaven" including links to Ave Regina Caelorum and Regina Coeli, a summary of Ad Caeli Reginam, and discussion of Apocalypse/Revelation 12 and perhaps Psalm 45 (neither of which are mentioned in Ad Caeli Reginam, though other biblical texts are). Pruning some of the trees would allow the wood to be seen.-- Rumping ( talk) 00:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
To do what is needed anyway, I brought in the text for Queenship of Mary as a feast, as discussed in August, but did not delete any of the existing text. There is no doubt that there are redundancies on this page. Maybe we should do the trimming gradually until enough of the wood emerges. The gallery has obvious redundancies and should probably be trimmed first. Who wants to do that next? History2007 ( talk) 04:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The article has been greatly expanded and improved since my last visit. The separation into distinct articles on Christian and antique elements is a good one. Xan dar 01:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
The phrase "Divine Motherhood" means to say that Mary is the mother of Christ's Divinity. I don't think even the most ardent devotees of Mary believe this. I know that the Catholic Church teaches (in accordance with the Scripture) that Mary is the mother of Christ's humanity, not of Christ's Divinity.
Therefore, I think the phrase "Divine Motherhood" is un-Catholic, certainly un-Scriptural, and most certainly un-factual.
But before I edit the phrase "Divine Motherhood" in this article, I shall take three days period to wait. Perhaps the phrase has an intended different meaning, if it does feel free to explain in reply to this my post. Archestrategos ( talk) 07:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
What I mean is this: Mary is the mother of the humanity of Jesus, and is the bearer of the Divinity of Jesus.
This distinction is very important. Using the term "Divine Motherhood" might be misunderstood as implying that the Church teaches that Mary is the mother of the Divinity of Jesus.
This would imply polytheism, and would imply that the Divinity of the Son is temporal.
Not what the Church teaches.
-- Archestrategos ( talk) 15:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Quite right. And therefore to avoid misunderstanding, why not include a small section at the beginning of this article elucidating the distinction contained in the phrase "Divine Motherhood"?
Otherwise, without prior elucidation, this article might cause people to misunderstand the meaning of the teaching of the Church regarding Mary's maternity.
If that happens, then it would no longer be informative, but disinformative.
-- Archestrategos ( talk) 15:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Try the Chalcedonian Creed. Mary is the Mother of God according to Manhood.
-- Archestrategos ( talk) 03:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I think Johnbod's touch ups of Cjeynes's edits were an improvement, in case a debate starts there. History2007 ( talk) 17:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I removed the two paragraphs which were clearly written from a Fundamentalist position. Nothing within it could be considered factual or neutral. If anybody wishes to write something explaining the Protestant POV then feel free but don't repaste the slop that I just removed.
Again I see that the Protestant article has been returned. Once again I have deleted it. In no way can it be considered neutral but is an attack (and may I say, an ignorant attack by a Bible-dumb Fundamentalist) on Catholicism. How on earth the following can count as neutral I do not know:
'This, of course, is nothing more than baptized paganism.' Scripture, Mary the mother of Jesus, is never portrayed in any kind of light suggested by the teachings of Roman Catholicism.' 'Elevating Mary to the place of "Queen of Heaven" (a term not found in the New Testament, but only found in the Book of Jeremiah referring to the pagan goddess Isis or perhaps Ashurah), is a doctrine that is incompatible with the plain text of the Bible. If this kind of doctrinal innovation is allowed, there is no limit to the different kinds of doctrine that one could teach, because it would not be limited by Scripture, but only by the bold wickedness of the person so inclined to invent a new religion at variance with the Bible' If it keeps on being reprinted I will continue to remove it. If somebody wishes to write a neutral article on what Protestants believe about the title Queen of Heaven then be my guest.-- Good News 17:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Regina Coeli is one of the Marian Anthem, all of which are regularly sung in Latin to this day in religious houses and seminaries. I would prefer that title or as it matches the other Marian Anthems. -- Vaquero100 02:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure where to put this, but I think that the title King of Angels / King of Heaven is also a title given to either Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit, due the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary is often called as the spouse of the Holy Spirit. ADM ( talk) 06:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
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That was never my intent in attempting to put the pagan and the Biblical view - as you noticed, I respectfully did not remove, edit or destroy one word of what was on the page- particularly not the Catholic faith, due to the fact that this is an encyclopedia, where the point is to have access to varying points of view, even those we do not agree with. I deeply apologize that it was seen by some as an attack upon the Catholic faith. I added what the Bible has to say about QoH. In the interest of representing a third definition, I added with Pagans/Wiccans believe about the Queen of Heaven. I respectully request that this wiki on QoH be locked so that each view be allowed, or split the wiki - in the interest of representing ALL faiths, ALL views be included concerning the Queen of Heaven, including the Catholic view. Thanks, and take care. -- 24.113.224.224 ( talk) 04:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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I occasionally attend liturgy in a Russian Orthodox church. Though the church is named Holy Trinity, the topmost and by far the largest icon on the wall behind the altar is of a majestic woman, arms raised in benediction, with a child on her lap. My first reaction was that this is certainly not the meek young maiden in Luke's birth narrative or the woman briefly mentioned elsewhere in the New Testament. She seems to an outsider clearly to be the Great Goddess, Isis. Could it be that while the patriarchal church removed the feminine from its trinity, artists and cathedral builders under the guise of Mary perhaps unconsciously restored the Queen of Heaven to the high position she held throughout antiquity? Icons of the Madonna and Child as well as the Queen of Heaven seem obviously pre-Christian. How many Catholics today, especially in Romance and Latin countries pray, not to God or to Jesus, but to Mary, Queen of Heaven? 75.15.29.210 ( talk) 19:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC) Jim Lacey ( talk) 19:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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Bold text Not everyone is going to believe in what you believe in. So if some people want to believe in Mary being the Queen of Heaven, then let them. The ones that don't let them be as well. It is not up to ANY of you to determine what should be believed and what should not. God is the ONLY judge. So stop arguing like little school children. God is Love, and Love is God. He knows our hearts. Live Life, Love and laugh. Stop with the bickering. Enjoy life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisPaulOMG ( talk • contribs) 01:58, 2 December 2013 (UTC) |
The last sentence of the section OTHER TITLES, "This reference came at a time during which space exploration was beginning," is out of place. Can I or someone delete it? DKPhilosophy ( talk) 20:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)