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The article seems very mixed up. The lead suggests its about the Southern General Campus, however the name indicates its about the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital. Bearing in mind the children's hospital official name is the Royal Hospital for Sick Children we need to decide what the article is about. if it is about the campus which it seems it is then the article needs renamed to cover a more broad concept. Blethering Scot 21:37, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus is that the proposed title is the most common name in reliable sources and is also in line with our standard naming practices. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:27, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Queen Elizabeth University Hospital Campus →
Queen Elizabeth University Hospital – The addition of 'Campus' to the title is not required, the pre-existing name covers the entire site, including landscaping and retained clinical units. The name 'Queen Elizabeth University Hospital refers to the entire site in much the same way a university does not feature 'XYU Campus' in its title. The name Queen Elizabeth University Hospital is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the facility based on various sources from news reports, official sites and in-facility documentation.
GRA (
talk) 14:41, 20 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted.
Natg 19 (
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00:29, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
This article is now in the situation where it is a complete and utter mess. I had planned to work on this to get up to GA, like I had Forth Valley Royal with the help of others. Unfortunately this now looks to be a far more difficult task. We have an article stating in name and lead it is about the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital when in fact it is actually about several other facilities including The new Royal Hospital for Sick Kids, Institute of Neurological Sciences, Laboratory Medicine Building all of which are not physically part of Queen Elizabeth University Hospital. Im frustrated that no editor including the nominator of move @ MrGRA: who actually came to the same conclusion that the previous name was better for overall article, didn't take time to see how we make this article work.
The Lead states The Queen Elizabeth University Hospital is a 1,677 bed acute hospital with a full range of healthcare specialities. then later states The hospital houses a newly built 1,109 bed adult hospital, a children’s hospital and two major A&E departments, one for adults and one for children. The children's hospital and adult hospital are not the same, they are run separately, have been named officially by the queen separately and reliable sources make mention of being separate facilities. And then wow in paragraph 5 we acknowledge its a campus and in the infobox. We cannot say The Queen Elizabeth University Hospital is a hospital that houses a adult hospital and childrens hospital, that is both factually incorrect and misleading. A hospital does not contain two hospitals. We could say Queen Elizabeth University Hospital is a Adult and Children's hospital which makes more sense, but it is factually incorrect or we say The Queen Elizabeth University Hospital, is a building that houses a newly built 1,109 bed adult hospital and a children’s hospital. The latter is both factually correct and reads the best however that means the article title doesn't fit. The issue repeats itself throughout the article.
At no point was the official name taken into account. Yes common name overrules but only when it makes sense to do so. Given we have strong reliable sources indicating separate identity and official sources indicating the NHS treat separately this was not done in the best interest of the encyclopaedia. I put this to you, can you prove that Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow's common name is actually Queen Elizabeth University Hospital. I find it highly unlikely anyone can as you could for Yorkhill. As up to date sources refer to the overall site and talk about sick kids. Fair enough early sources did not differentiate but the new ones do.
The article either needs clearly a major rewrite, or the crazy situation suggested by @ RGloucester: that Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow is updated to be about the original one at Yorkhill and about an entirely new hospital. He also is slightly ignorant by saying was renamed after it was rebuilt at Queen Elizabeth University Hospital. Royal Hospital for Sick Children was always it's official name and the location of the old article. It was always affectionately known as Yorkhill and was common name but not official. The old article shouldn't be updated as that article is only about the old hospital. If we need separate articles then Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow will need moved to Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Yorkhill as common name or Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow (1882) and a new one created at Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow.
For the record to those who went on about what NHS staff call it. A) thats not necessarily relevant and B) I work for the NHS, not this particular Health board but a highly associated one and we refer to it as separate institutions, as NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde officially do. Please do not say I work for the NHS and this is what its called. The NHS is a wider organisation and you can't state that the common name amongst all NHS health boards is this, especially when your own health board would disagree with you.
Given that those who took part in discussion to move page created this mess i hope you take time to improve the article to a state where it is actually about what it states on the tin, not giving readers false impressions. Blethering Scot 17:54, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Civility may be worth a visit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.234.68 ( talk) 17:51, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
It is clear to me that when referring to all both hospitals and other services sources refer to it as a site or campus. So if this article is about all hospitals and services then article does have wrong name. If it is about purely Queen Elizabeth University Hospital then content needs spun off. Campus Herald Scotland Campus The Scotsman Campus BBC 1 Campus BBC 2 Campus BBC 3 Campus BBC 4 Campus STV Campus STV2 Campus NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde Site Evening Times Campus Evening Times Campus The Telegraph
I feel this statement, at the very least, needs some qualification. Do you mean largest footprint/volume/number of beds etc? The page /info/en/?search=List_of_largest_hospitals lists several hospitals in Europe with more beds: Helsinki University Central Hospital, Motol University Hospital, Sahlgrenska University Hospital, Vienna General Hospital. I feel it's probably worth taking this comment down until it's been clarified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.68.45 ( talk) 12:01, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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The article seems very mixed up. The lead suggests its about the Southern General Campus, however the name indicates its about the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital. Bearing in mind the children's hospital official name is the Royal Hospital for Sick Children we need to decide what the article is about. if it is about the campus which it seems it is then the article needs renamed to cover a more broad concept. Blethering Scot 21:37, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus is that the proposed title is the most common name in reliable sources and is also in line with our standard naming practices. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:27, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Queen Elizabeth University Hospital Campus →
Queen Elizabeth University Hospital – The addition of 'Campus' to the title is not required, the pre-existing name covers the entire site, including landscaping and retained clinical units. The name 'Queen Elizabeth University Hospital refers to the entire site in much the same way a university does not feature 'XYU Campus' in its title. The name Queen Elizabeth University Hospital is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the facility based on various sources from news reports, official sites and in-facility documentation.
GRA (
talk) 14:41, 20 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted.
Natg 19 (
talk)
00:29, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
This article is now in the situation where it is a complete and utter mess. I had planned to work on this to get up to GA, like I had Forth Valley Royal with the help of others. Unfortunately this now looks to be a far more difficult task. We have an article stating in name and lead it is about the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital when in fact it is actually about several other facilities including The new Royal Hospital for Sick Kids, Institute of Neurological Sciences, Laboratory Medicine Building all of which are not physically part of Queen Elizabeth University Hospital. Im frustrated that no editor including the nominator of move @ MrGRA: who actually came to the same conclusion that the previous name was better for overall article, didn't take time to see how we make this article work.
The Lead states The Queen Elizabeth University Hospital is a 1,677 bed acute hospital with a full range of healthcare specialities. then later states The hospital houses a newly built 1,109 bed adult hospital, a children’s hospital and two major A&E departments, one for adults and one for children. The children's hospital and adult hospital are not the same, they are run separately, have been named officially by the queen separately and reliable sources make mention of being separate facilities. And then wow in paragraph 5 we acknowledge its a campus and in the infobox. We cannot say The Queen Elizabeth University Hospital is a hospital that houses a adult hospital and childrens hospital, that is both factually incorrect and misleading. A hospital does not contain two hospitals. We could say Queen Elizabeth University Hospital is a Adult and Children's hospital which makes more sense, but it is factually incorrect or we say The Queen Elizabeth University Hospital, is a building that houses a newly built 1,109 bed adult hospital and a children’s hospital. The latter is both factually correct and reads the best however that means the article title doesn't fit. The issue repeats itself throughout the article.
At no point was the official name taken into account. Yes common name overrules but only when it makes sense to do so. Given we have strong reliable sources indicating separate identity and official sources indicating the NHS treat separately this was not done in the best interest of the encyclopaedia. I put this to you, can you prove that Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow's common name is actually Queen Elizabeth University Hospital. I find it highly unlikely anyone can as you could for Yorkhill. As up to date sources refer to the overall site and talk about sick kids. Fair enough early sources did not differentiate but the new ones do.
The article either needs clearly a major rewrite, or the crazy situation suggested by @ RGloucester: that Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow is updated to be about the original one at Yorkhill and about an entirely new hospital. He also is slightly ignorant by saying was renamed after it was rebuilt at Queen Elizabeth University Hospital. Royal Hospital for Sick Children was always it's official name and the location of the old article. It was always affectionately known as Yorkhill and was common name but not official. The old article shouldn't be updated as that article is only about the old hospital. If we need separate articles then Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow will need moved to Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Yorkhill as common name or Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow (1882) and a new one created at Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow.
For the record to those who went on about what NHS staff call it. A) thats not necessarily relevant and B) I work for the NHS, not this particular Health board but a highly associated one and we refer to it as separate institutions, as NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde officially do. Please do not say I work for the NHS and this is what its called. The NHS is a wider organisation and you can't state that the common name amongst all NHS health boards is this, especially when your own health board would disagree with you.
Given that those who took part in discussion to move page created this mess i hope you take time to improve the article to a state where it is actually about what it states on the tin, not giving readers false impressions. Blethering Scot 17:54, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Civility may be worth a visit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.234.68 ( talk) 17:51, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
It is clear to me that when referring to all both hospitals and other services sources refer to it as a site or campus. So if this article is about all hospitals and services then article does have wrong name. If it is about purely Queen Elizabeth University Hospital then content needs spun off. Campus Herald Scotland Campus The Scotsman Campus BBC 1 Campus BBC 2 Campus BBC 3 Campus BBC 4 Campus STV Campus STV2 Campus NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde Site Evening Times Campus Evening Times Campus The Telegraph
I feel this statement, at the very least, needs some qualification. Do you mean largest footprint/volume/number of beds etc? The page /info/en/?search=List_of_largest_hospitals lists several hospitals in Europe with more beds: Helsinki University Central Hospital, Motol University Hospital, Sahlgrenska University Hospital, Vienna General Hospital. I feel it's probably worth taking this comment down until it's been clarified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.68.45 ( talk) 12:01, 8 February 2020 (UTC)