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([[User:|Benno]] 17:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC))
--( Benno 12:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC))
This is just SILLY. It's hardly information that's lost in the Dark Ages, it's less than 40 years ago -- surely we can find this out! Has anyone tried writing to Cunard to ask them? -- Tarquin 23:41 Jan 4, 2003 (UTC)
Check out the note here: http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:bRAPwcqoJBoC:www.zeitgaz.com.au/archive/000225/trends.htm+QE2+%22named+for%22+%22queen+elizabeth%22+cunard&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 -- isis 00:12 Jan 5, 2003 (UTC)
Check out all the webpages with it the original way ("II"), and if that's not enough for you, go to the library and look in the paper encyclopedias. My Funk & Wagnalls, ©1972, has only the Roman numeral. (And did you look at the note at the link I put above, that purports to come from the ship's master?) -- isis 00:40 Jan 5, 2003 (UTC)
According to Cunard's official website, "The new ship is not named after the Queen but is simply the second ship to bear the name - hence the use of the Arabic 2 in her name, rather than the Roman II used by the Queen." -- Zoe
Yes, the name on the ship's bow and stern has read "Queen Elizabeth 2" since she left her fitting out berth. As well, Cunard postcards depicting the ship have always read "Queen Elizabeth 2," never "Queen Elizabeth II." -- gbambino 22:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
She was launched as Queen Elizabeth II; she was renamed Queen Elizabeth 2. Fionnlaoch ( talk) 08:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
According to "Queen Elizabeth 2, the authorised story" by Neil Potter and Jack Frost (Harrap, 1969): "Four people knew the name of the liner, agreed by the Queen, was simply Queen Elizabeth. But, seconds before the launching, the Queen suddenly decided in her own mind that the ship should be called Queen Elizabeth the Second, and so she gave it that name ... This immediately began one of the biggest maritime puzzles. Surely this must have been the only occasion in history when a shipping company had to try to explain what the name of a ship meant." Their photographs of the wheelhouse being hoisted into position clearly show the name on the bow as Queen Elizabeth 2. Ropemaker ( talk) 13:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
In my memory it was QE2 from birth. The reason being that they did not want to call it Queen Elizabeth the Second, as this would have upset the scots, whom did not accept that they had had a previous Queen Elizabeth. Thus QE2. Bolluckybillfromharoldhill ( talk) 22:36, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
During her service as the Cunard flagship, the Queen Elizabeth 2 travelled all over the world, and now operates predominantly as a cruise ship sailing out of Southampton, England.
and
While she has been taken off the traditional "transatlantic" route which has been taken over by the QM2
If she travelled all over the world as Cunard flagship, does this mean she also did cruises before, not only transatlantic routes? And what does predominantly mean? What else does she serve than cruising? -- 212.204.66.66 17:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree. March to December - round trips from Southampton. December to March - World Cruise. Exceptions to the round trips from Southampton are down to nil since the Mary came on line. 21:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
QE2 no longer carries the mail, so is therefore no longer a Royal Mail Ship (RMS), so should be correctly called MV (motor vessel).
The post box on QE2 is not emptiedbybthe royal mail - the keys to it hung behind my desk when I worked in the Pursers Office onboard from 1988-1994. Staff open the box and the post within it is taken to ashore (also by cunard staff) and posted as usual. The official documents refer to the vessel as TSMV - meaning "twin screw motor vessel". HM The Queen has nothing to do with it - it whether the ship carries the Royal Mails or not - and QE2 no longer carries the Royal Mail in transit.
I spoke to the First and Third Officers about this whilst on the Bridge last year. Neither was able to tell me. However I did note that there was a recent message to Elizabeth R which was signed by the Master (David Perkins if I recall correctly) displayed on the quarter deck portside near the model of RMS Mauretania which clearly was signed "Master XXX, RMS Queen ELizabeth 2" Kindlychap 21:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Cunard list the ships as "RMS Queen Mary 2" and just plain "Queen Elizabeth 2" in their official fleet lists. [2] During the launch of the QM2 they also noted that the RMS designation was due to being contracted for a mail route (namely Southampton to New York), which was transferring to the new ship.
Power: 10,625 kW at 400 rpm Propulsion: 9 MAN 9-cylinder medium speed turbo-charged diesel engines turning two five-bladed propellers Speed: 32.5 knots (61 km/h), 20 knots (37 km/h) in reverse
My English is not that good. Should I read that each engine has 10,625 kW, shouldn't I?
Why the bizarre little reference that she was "larger than the RMS Titanic"? So where dozens upon dozens of liners by the time that QE2 entered service. Titanic was the largest liner in service at the time of her tragic maiden voyage, but she was launched in the mids of an "arms race" amongst trans-atlantic operators, and there were larger vessels already on the blocks when the Titanic sailed.
I agree that it's useful to point out that QE2 was smaller than her immediate Cunard predecessors, but pointing out that she was larger than Titanic seems utterly pointless.
Lawsonrob, the removal of info from the Retirement section is not simply about npov on the Queen Victoria. My motives are as follows:
If I'm incorrect with any of this, please let me know how. -- G2bambino 15:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Does the QE2 still have Grim Wheels fitted to the propellers? "QE2 was the first passenger ship to use Grim Wheels (so called because they were invented by Dr Ing Otto Grim) in an attempt to make the new QE2 even more efficient. These wheels spin freely in the wake of the main propellers. The innermost parts of each of the 7 blades pick up speed from the propeller, while the outermost parts act as propellers themselves, adding some forward motion to the ship for "free", capturing energy which would otherwise be wasted. The Grim Wheels are 6.7 meters in diameter" -- Palmiped 08:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Nope - they came off during sea trials after the refit in 1987.-- Ssdurn 06:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This is not true at all. The "Grim Vane Wheels" (their full name) did not fail on QE2's sea trials. They were both still intact when QE2 left Bremerhaven after the completion of the refit. The problem with the wheels started on the voyage back to Southampton. Commodore Doug Ridley was demonstrating the "flexibilty" of the new power plant and new props to journalists who were on board. While QE2 was travelling at about 30 knots, he ordered "full astern". As the ship was slowing down there was a horrible shudder and it was obvious something had gone wrong. It is possiblethat some vanes were already cracked and this was just the Last straw, but that is conjecture.
After QE2 arrived in Southampton divers were sent down to examine the props, etc. They discovered that acouple of vanes had snapped off. After some debate Cunard decided to "rebalance" the wheels by cuttibng off some more vanes and this was done. The ship sailed for New York on schedule. In New York divers found more damaged vanes and one again the wheels were rebalanced by cutting off a couple of more vanes. On QE2's return to Southampton the remaining vanes were all removed. The Grim Wheels were never replaced.
The problems with the Grim Wheels and where the problem was first discovered (Southampton), the subsequent trimming of the wheels in Southampton and New York and their final removal in Southampton were widely reported in the press in 1987. The details of the "incident" on QE2's return voyage was related to me in 1987 by crew members who were on board at the time and confirmed by an officer who was on the bridge at the time. The myth that the Grim Wheels failed during the sea trials is the result of "hearsay" that had been distorted along the way and then published in a book about QE2 written by someone who was not with the ship at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.212.72 ( talk) 23:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
An anon changed "she" to "it" on a couple ship articles ( RMS Antonia and RMS Queen Elizabeth 2). In the Antonia edits, the anon referenced the removal of "sexist language". I am unsure how this is viewed as sexist, So I'm reverting it now. My understanding was that all ships are commonly referred to as she in english speaking cultures, and being the english wiki, it seems appropriate to do so here. For justification, I'm using the wiki article she which states "She is also used instead of it for things to which feminine gender is conventionally attributed: a ship or boat (especially in colloquial and dialect use) ..." --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 22:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I have just read this article for the first time, and find it absolutely ridiculous that it uses 'she'. It seems overused almost to make a point. The odd use of 'she' might be appropriate, but it is not proper English, it is casual. The use of 'she' implies a sense of pride and bias too- shouldn't Wikipedia be impartial? The ship is a ship, not a person. It should be 'it'. This really needs sorting out, it's an embarrassment to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.125.44.232 ( talk) 17:26, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Very few words for inanimate objects in English have non-neuter gender, but ‘ship’ is one of them. It's nothing to do with sex or sexism; it's just grammar. It seems anomalous because it is, but English is a very irregular language in other ways too. While I have no doubt that the few remaining gendered words are in the process of being neutered (fuelled by misunderstanding of what grammatical gender is) it hasn't happened yet. I know that children are being taught a slightly different grammar, but the older school still exists. Therefore it remains correct usage in British English for now. Nobody thinks it's sexist to use the correct gender in French or Latin, so why English? JRYon ( talk) 17:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
SHIPS ARE NOT WOMEN!!!!!!!! MR KJ0923 06:00, October 11, 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MR. KJ0923 ( talk • contribs)
I'm going to transfer this from my talk page to here: --G2
Having taken on board your original comments regarding my additions and amended them accordingly, I cannot understand why you persist in removing them. The assertions regarding Scottish opposition because there was never an Elizabeth I of Scotland are the personal viewpoint of the author of the book and have never been expressed elsewhere. I have read several books on the QE2 and come across them only on one other occasion,in The New Cunard Queens by Nils Schwertdtner, when the author was actually quoting from the book mentioned here.
All I have done is to point out the correct facts pertaining to the thrones of Scotland, England and Great Britain so that readers can decide for themselves. Without that explanation, the paragraph is actually misleading, as it infers to the casual reader that there is still a Queen of England, which ceased be the case in 1707. As most reasons put forward for the naming are hearsay, something borne out by the length of the section covering the issue and the number of explanations outlined therein, I believe it is important for each scenario to be properly explained. If your disagreement relates in some way to an agreement with the author of the book, that the naming policy was decided based upon fears of Scottish opposition, then I would suggest that the POV is on your part, not mine. -- 77.103.113.0 23.32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I've removed this edit re: QE2's rumored test drive - the Maritime Matters article has cited no references to back up these claims and generally it is believed to be untrue. QE2's engines are able to run (and move the propeller shafts via the propulsion motors) while keeping the ship stationary due to her Variable Pitch Propellers.
The other information you added in this paragraph is repeated already in the QE2 article already in the previous paragraph (as referenced by Daily Echo article) and as you've not cited additional references it doesn't need to be repeated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Printpost ( talk • contribs) 02:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to explain why I amended statements added to the article saying that QE2 is definitely for sale. If you read all the news reports so far, they are entirely speculation, using words like "likely to be" and "sources indicate". There have been no official announcements, that I can find, by Nakheel or their representatives, saying that QE2 is definitely up for sale, though we can all assume, given the circumstances, that if they can find a buyer, they will be highly likely to go ahead and sell the ship. But I don't think we should be saying in the article that the ship is for sale until or unless something more definite appears in the news. It seems to me that it's one thing to include info in the article about media speculation regarding a likely sale, another thing to translate that speculation into a definite statement that the ship is for sale. -- DMS ( talk) 03:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Have removed references to QE2 being inefficient (fuel wise). She achieved 50/ft to the gallon at full cruising speed (28.5 knots) but was far more efficient at standard cruising speeds. No solid references are cited that states that this is a poor fuel economy for a cruise ship. QE2's engines were replaced in 1986/87 - MAN B&W diesel electric plant. Would be as efficient as any other diesel electric plant per engine. Save the QE2 ( talk) 01:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your interest in improving the article. Hopefully Peter will post a message on my behalf to you there. The most important thing for you to remember is that we do not accept original research on Wikipedia. All info added should be verifiable and sources quoted. Use {{ cite web}} for website (but NOT forums, which are not reliable sources, but may provide links to such sources), {{ cite book}} for books, {{ cite newspaper}} for newspapers and {{ cite journal}} for magazines. Any questions please feel free to ask on this section of the talk page. Mjroots ( talk) 08:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
QE2 has never been owned by Nakheel. QE2 was bought from Cunard by Istithimar ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istithmar_World) but was intended to ultimately be operated by Nakheel as part of their property portfolio. A holding company called QE2 Enterprises was established to manage the project to convert the ship into a luxury hotel. None of this is conjecture or speculation - Arabian Business.com article about Istithimar and QE2 and Gulf News article about Istithimar buying QE2. Lightbody ( talk) 14:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
She seems to be located at 25°16′29″N 55°17′25″E / 25.27481°N 55.29041°E if anyone wants to place these in the article ( i haven't worked out how to do it yet). And anyone who thinks ships aren't called "she" hasn't read a lot of books on or featuring ships. Britmax ( talk) 19:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. The current title appears to be both inaccurate and almost never used, and the proposed title already redirects here. Readers looking for the queen can find what they're looking for in the hatnote, as they are now.-- Cúchullain t/ c 17:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC) Cúchullain t/ c 17:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
RMS Queen Elizabeth 2 → Queen Elizabeth 2 –
Twice some basic info on QE2's long career with Cunard (notably owner and registry) has been removed from the Career Infobox with the justification that it was "clutter" and that only latest info should be included. This is directly contrary to Ships Infoboxes guidance and to widespread practice. I agree that where a ship career has been particularly complicated including all such details may be unhelpful, but that is most certainly not the case here. The present version gives the impression that her illustrious career has been only with Istithmar under Vanuatu flag. Response at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ships#Infobox_Ship_Career suggests views might be developed here in relation to this specific page, as well as there more generally. The same considerations, though, would apply in the cases of MS Queen Elizabeth, MS Queen Victoria and RMS Queen Mary 2, I suggest. Davidships ( talk) 23:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
What if the info box was sectioned with Cunard info first mentioning dimensions, construction and Cunard info and then a second section below with her current career and location etc (obviously with not too much info)?
Alphacatmarnie ( talk) 10:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm puzzled by this sentence "QE2 had no running mate and never ran a year-round weekly transatlantic express service to New York."
Articles such as MS Queen Victoria say "Queen Victoria is the running mate to Queen Mary 2, and the Queen Elizabeth. Until November 2008, she also operated alongside Queen Elizabeth 2." Does "running mate" have a specific definition for Cunard such that "QE2 had no running mate" is true?
Also, the second part of the sentence, "and never ran a year-round weekly transatlantic express service to New York," is unclear. Ideally, we'd need a citation for that and it's also unclear why we'd want to say what the vessel never did. I'm sure it never went to the moon and back either. If there is regular confusion about how the QE2 was operated them perhaps "Unlike the RMS Queen Elizabeth, the QE2 was never used for a year-round weekly transatlantic express service to New York." -- Marc Kupper| talk 19:20, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Since QE2 retired, various plans, "news" and rumours have come and gone. This has caused this part of the QE2 page to become extremely long and disorganised. It is too long relevant to the length of the page overall. QE2's career was over 40 years. Her retirement has only been 4.5 years, during which hardly anything has happened. Rob Lightbody ( talk) 12:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
In 1991, I sat in a bar at the Metropole Hotel in New York. I was there for the novelty value of this remarkable space, for its time. As I sat there, a gentleman asked if I would mind some company. I said "misery loves company and I would love to have a chat". The gentleman looked bothered and slightly dejected but overly distinguished.
We shook hands and exchanged names. "Pleased to meet you".
The cause of the concern appeared to be employment termination. Apparently the QE2 had sailed her last World Tour. This was the end of the line and it was off to India for metal value. These types of ships had become a symbol of a greater time in history.
After some time spent contemplating the bartenders cocktail experiment. I said "I have no doubt in my mind that you sir are never going to be unemployed or the ship scrapped".
He looked at me with some bemused interest and asked me what precisely lead me to think along those lines. I said, well look at the Concorde, the Space Shuttle and the Ferrari. For the most part, these things are enitely useless but without them we are all lesser people.
There was an article published in a copy of the Hermes magazine not long ago entitled "The Need for the Superfluous" and what these things represent is achievement and self expression.
I then went on to talk about the Stradivarius violin and concluded by saying that one does not own such a violin but merely takes care of it for others to own in the future. To the same extent, Cunard never owned the QEII.
It belongs to those who lived, loved, married, died and threw up on her. Those are the true owners, the people who relied on her to sail through all kinds of weather and situations. Who carry those memories through their lives. To break up the ship and its crew would be to abandon those collective experiences. And there was no real justification to ever do that.
He said "I am the ships captain and till now I was quite certain of what I was told but I now think otherwise". He asked for a serviette and began writing notes as we reiterated what was just said. My second cocktail had just kicked in and it was a slow speech. But the captain started to embrace the notions.
He invited me to tour the ship the next day. Stood up with the type of stature only a naval officer would possess and pulled his clothing into alignment as though he were expecting to have an inspection. He paid my tab, shook my hand firmly and departed to his room with a confident and purposeful stride.
Several months later, there was a change of fortune in the future of the QEII and I recall that at the time, the captains speech before the board of directors was cited as the single most compelling reason for the new plans. It was said at the time that the speech given in the defense of the QEII was the single greatest speech ever heard at Cunard.
I never met with the Captain the next day. I was heading back to Australia soon and had very limited time in New York. But I never forgot the passion and affection that Ronald has for his ship. It imprinted me with a sense of understanding that Captains are more than just highly ranked members of a crew. But the best custodians of our collective experiences and people we can trust not only to be professional but also have a heartfelt concern for what is essentially a superfluous mode of transport.
When and where in October 1984 did the alleged fire take place? I was aboard QE2 from October 1 to October 24 1984 and she maintained her published schedule throughout that period. Oct 1 - 6: Eastbound transatlantic nonstop from New York to Southampton. Oct 7 - 19: 12 night cruise from Southampton to Palma de Mallorca, Ajaccio, Naples, Palermo, Malaga, Praia da Rocha and Lisbon. Oct 19 - 24: Westbound transatlantic nonstop from Southampton to New York.
The fire occurred on October 28, 1984. It was a memorable date for me since it was my wife's 34th birthday. We were crossing from New York City to Southampton (Tilbury?) The lights went out and we glided to a halt. Some lights were restored before bedtime but there was still no running water, flushing toilets, or hot food for a day or two. My wife brushed her teeth with bottled water as I held a lighted birthday candle from earlier in the day and sang "happy birthday". The ship did not resume its journey for several days as parts were manufactured on the ship.
The American actor John Malkovich was also on the ship although we didn't know who he was at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.124.182.37 ( talk) 15:20, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
This ship which was never built is mentioned briefly in the article, but a dedicated page does not exist for it - there is a significant amount of information available for it online so it could be built up to a reasonable quality, perhaps this article could be created and linked in the 'Conception' part of the QE2 article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.12.16 ( talk) 14:50, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Is it possible we could update the infobox icon to something more recent, such as her current condition in Dubai? If that is not possible, can we update it to show her from bow to stern? Trevor Casey ( talk) 00:32, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
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i need to fix some typos and mistakes. that is all.
I worked for Digital Equipment Corporation as a computer systems sales representative supporting the Texas Instruments account. Hotels in Boston were full occupancy. The most prestigious accomodations were the QE II. I waited in queue over 5 hours to secure rooms for my clients at Texas Instruments. I also was accommodated in the crew area.
Our meals in the first class dining room with caviar, vodka shots served in sterling silver "ash trays" were so British and so very memorable. I also loved learning about the waiter's use of the "crumber" to keep the white linen tablecloth pristine at all times. 128.92.217.110 ( talk) 02:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
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([[User:|Benno]] 17:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC))
--( Benno 12:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC))
This is just SILLY. It's hardly information that's lost in the Dark Ages, it's less than 40 years ago -- surely we can find this out! Has anyone tried writing to Cunard to ask them? -- Tarquin 23:41 Jan 4, 2003 (UTC)
Check out the note here: http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:bRAPwcqoJBoC:www.zeitgaz.com.au/archive/000225/trends.htm+QE2+%22named+for%22+%22queen+elizabeth%22+cunard&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 -- isis 00:12 Jan 5, 2003 (UTC)
Check out all the webpages with it the original way ("II"), and if that's not enough for you, go to the library and look in the paper encyclopedias. My Funk & Wagnalls, ©1972, has only the Roman numeral. (And did you look at the note at the link I put above, that purports to come from the ship's master?) -- isis 00:40 Jan 5, 2003 (UTC)
According to Cunard's official website, "The new ship is not named after the Queen but is simply the second ship to bear the name - hence the use of the Arabic 2 in her name, rather than the Roman II used by the Queen." -- Zoe
Yes, the name on the ship's bow and stern has read "Queen Elizabeth 2" since she left her fitting out berth. As well, Cunard postcards depicting the ship have always read "Queen Elizabeth 2," never "Queen Elizabeth II." -- gbambino 22:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
She was launched as Queen Elizabeth II; she was renamed Queen Elizabeth 2. Fionnlaoch ( talk) 08:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
According to "Queen Elizabeth 2, the authorised story" by Neil Potter and Jack Frost (Harrap, 1969): "Four people knew the name of the liner, agreed by the Queen, was simply Queen Elizabeth. But, seconds before the launching, the Queen suddenly decided in her own mind that the ship should be called Queen Elizabeth the Second, and so she gave it that name ... This immediately began one of the biggest maritime puzzles. Surely this must have been the only occasion in history when a shipping company had to try to explain what the name of a ship meant." Their photographs of the wheelhouse being hoisted into position clearly show the name on the bow as Queen Elizabeth 2. Ropemaker ( talk) 13:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
In my memory it was QE2 from birth. The reason being that they did not want to call it Queen Elizabeth the Second, as this would have upset the scots, whom did not accept that they had had a previous Queen Elizabeth. Thus QE2. Bolluckybillfromharoldhill ( talk) 22:36, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
During her service as the Cunard flagship, the Queen Elizabeth 2 travelled all over the world, and now operates predominantly as a cruise ship sailing out of Southampton, England.
and
While she has been taken off the traditional "transatlantic" route which has been taken over by the QM2
If she travelled all over the world as Cunard flagship, does this mean she also did cruises before, not only transatlantic routes? And what does predominantly mean? What else does she serve than cruising? -- 212.204.66.66 17:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree. March to December - round trips from Southampton. December to March - World Cruise. Exceptions to the round trips from Southampton are down to nil since the Mary came on line. 21:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
QE2 no longer carries the mail, so is therefore no longer a Royal Mail Ship (RMS), so should be correctly called MV (motor vessel).
The post box on QE2 is not emptiedbybthe royal mail - the keys to it hung behind my desk when I worked in the Pursers Office onboard from 1988-1994. Staff open the box and the post within it is taken to ashore (also by cunard staff) and posted as usual. The official documents refer to the vessel as TSMV - meaning "twin screw motor vessel". HM The Queen has nothing to do with it - it whether the ship carries the Royal Mails or not - and QE2 no longer carries the Royal Mail in transit.
I spoke to the First and Third Officers about this whilst on the Bridge last year. Neither was able to tell me. However I did note that there was a recent message to Elizabeth R which was signed by the Master (David Perkins if I recall correctly) displayed on the quarter deck portside near the model of RMS Mauretania which clearly was signed "Master XXX, RMS Queen ELizabeth 2" Kindlychap 21:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Cunard list the ships as "RMS Queen Mary 2" and just plain "Queen Elizabeth 2" in their official fleet lists. [2] During the launch of the QM2 they also noted that the RMS designation was due to being contracted for a mail route (namely Southampton to New York), which was transferring to the new ship.
Power: 10,625 kW at 400 rpm Propulsion: 9 MAN 9-cylinder medium speed turbo-charged diesel engines turning two five-bladed propellers Speed: 32.5 knots (61 km/h), 20 knots (37 km/h) in reverse
My English is not that good. Should I read that each engine has 10,625 kW, shouldn't I?
Why the bizarre little reference that she was "larger than the RMS Titanic"? So where dozens upon dozens of liners by the time that QE2 entered service. Titanic was the largest liner in service at the time of her tragic maiden voyage, but she was launched in the mids of an "arms race" amongst trans-atlantic operators, and there were larger vessels already on the blocks when the Titanic sailed.
I agree that it's useful to point out that QE2 was smaller than her immediate Cunard predecessors, but pointing out that she was larger than Titanic seems utterly pointless.
Lawsonrob, the removal of info from the Retirement section is not simply about npov on the Queen Victoria. My motives are as follows:
If I'm incorrect with any of this, please let me know how. -- G2bambino 15:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Does the QE2 still have Grim Wheels fitted to the propellers? "QE2 was the first passenger ship to use Grim Wheels (so called because they were invented by Dr Ing Otto Grim) in an attempt to make the new QE2 even more efficient. These wheels spin freely in the wake of the main propellers. The innermost parts of each of the 7 blades pick up speed from the propeller, while the outermost parts act as propellers themselves, adding some forward motion to the ship for "free", capturing energy which would otherwise be wasted. The Grim Wheels are 6.7 meters in diameter" -- Palmiped 08:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Nope - they came off during sea trials after the refit in 1987.-- Ssdurn 06:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This is not true at all. The "Grim Vane Wheels" (their full name) did not fail on QE2's sea trials. They were both still intact when QE2 left Bremerhaven after the completion of the refit. The problem with the wheels started on the voyage back to Southampton. Commodore Doug Ridley was demonstrating the "flexibilty" of the new power plant and new props to journalists who were on board. While QE2 was travelling at about 30 knots, he ordered "full astern". As the ship was slowing down there was a horrible shudder and it was obvious something had gone wrong. It is possiblethat some vanes were already cracked and this was just the Last straw, but that is conjecture.
After QE2 arrived in Southampton divers were sent down to examine the props, etc. They discovered that acouple of vanes had snapped off. After some debate Cunard decided to "rebalance" the wheels by cuttibng off some more vanes and this was done. The ship sailed for New York on schedule. In New York divers found more damaged vanes and one again the wheels were rebalanced by cutting off a couple of more vanes. On QE2's return to Southampton the remaining vanes were all removed. The Grim Wheels were never replaced.
The problems with the Grim Wheels and where the problem was first discovered (Southampton), the subsequent trimming of the wheels in Southampton and New York and their final removal in Southampton were widely reported in the press in 1987. The details of the "incident" on QE2's return voyage was related to me in 1987 by crew members who were on board at the time and confirmed by an officer who was on the bridge at the time. The myth that the Grim Wheels failed during the sea trials is the result of "hearsay" that had been distorted along the way and then published in a book about QE2 written by someone who was not with the ship at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.212.72 ( talk) 23:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
An anon changed "she" to "it" on a couple ship articles ( RMS Antonia and RMS Queen Elizabeth 2). In the Antonia edits, the anon referenced the removal of "sexist language". I am unsure how this is viewed as sexist, So I'm reverting it now. My understanding was that all ships are commonly referred to as she in english speaking cultures, and being the english wiki, it seems appropriate to do so here. For justification, I'm using the wiki article she which states "She is also used instead of it for things to which feminine gender is conventionally attributed: a ship or boat (especially in colloquial and dialect use) ..." --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 22:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I have just read this article for the first time, and find it absolutely ridiculous that it uses 'she'. It seems overused almost to make a point. The odd use of 'she' might be appropriate, but it is not proper English, it is casual. The use of 'she' implies a sense of pride and bias too- shouldn't Wikipedia be impartial? The ship is a ship, not a person. It should be 'it'. This really needs sorting out, it's an embarrassment to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.125.44.232 ( talk) 17:26, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Very few words for inanimate objects in English have non-neuter gender, but ‘ship’ is one of them. It's nothing to do with sex or sexism; it's just grammar. It seems anomalous because it is, but English is a very irregular language in other ways too. While I have no doubt that the few remaining gendered words are in the process of being neutered (fuelled by misunderstanding of what grammatical gender is) it hasn't happened yet. I know that children are being taught a slightly different grammar, but the older school still exists. Therefore it remains correct usage in British English for now. Nobody thinks it's sexist to use the correct gender in French or Latin, so why English? JRYon ( talk) 17:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
SHIPS ARE NOT WOMEN!!!!!!!! MR KJ0923 06:00, October 11, 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MR. KJ0923 ( talk • contribs)
I'm going to transfer this from my talk page to here: --G2
Having taken on board your original comments regarding my additions and amended them accordingly, I cannot understand why you persist in removing them. The assertions regarding Scottish opposition because there was never an Elizabeth I of Scotland are the personal viewpoint of the author of the book and have never been expressed elsewhere. I have read several books on the QE2 and come across them only on one other occasion,in The New Cunard Queens by Nils Schwertdtner, when the author was actually quoting from the book mentioned here.
All I have done is to point out the correct facts pertaining to the thrones of Scotland, England and Great Britain so that readers can decide for themselves. Without that explanation, the paragraph is actually misleading, as it infers to the casual reader that there is still a Queen of England, which ceased be the case in 1707. As most reasons put forward for the naming are hearsay, something borne out by the length of the section covering the issue and the number of explanations outlined therein, I believe it is important for each scenario to be properly explained. If your disagreement relates in some way to an agreement with the author of the book, that the naming policy was decided based upon fears of Scottish opposition, then I would suggest that the POV is on your part, not mine. -- 77.103.113.0 23.32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I've removed this edit re: QE2's rumored test drive - the Maritime Matters article has cited no references to back up these claims and generally it is believed to be untrue. QE2's engines are able to run (and move the propeller shafts via the propulsion motors) while keeping the ship stationary due to her Variable Pitch Propellers.
The other information you added in this paragraph is repeated already in the QE2 article already in the previous paragraph (as referenced by Daily Echo article) and as you've not cited additional references it doesn't need to be repeated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Printpost ( talk • contribs) 02:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to explain why I amended statements added to the article saying that QE2 is definitely for sale. If you read all the news reports so far, they are entirely speculation, using words like "likely to be" and "sources indicate". There have been no official announcements, that I can find, by Nakheel or their representatives, saying that QE2 is definitely up for sale, though we can all assume, given the circumstances, that if they can find a buyer, they will be highly likely to go ahead and sell the ship. But I don't think we should be saying in the article that the ship is for sale until or unless something more definite appears in the news. It seems to me that it's one thing to include info in the article about media speculation regarding a likely sale, another thing to translate that speculation into a definite statement that the ship is for sale. -- DMS ( talk) 03:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Have removed references to QE2 being inefficient (fuel wise). She achieved 50/ft to the gallon at full cruising speed (28.5 knots) but was far more efficient at standard cruising speeds. No solid references are cited that states that this is a poor fuel economy for a cruise ship. QE2's engines were replaced in 1986/87 - MAN B&W diesel electric plant. Would be as efficient as any other diesel electric plant per engine. Save the QE2 ( talk) 01:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your interest in improving the article. Hopefully Peter will post a message on my behalf to you there. The most important thing for you to remember is that we do not accept original research on Wikipedia. All info added should be verifiable and sources quoted. Use {{ cite web}} for website (but NOT forums, which are not reliable sources, but may provide links to such sources), {{ cite book}} for books, {{ cite newspaper}} for newspapers and {{ cite journal}} for magazines. Any questions please feel free to ask on this section of the talk page. Mjroots ( talk) 08:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
QE2 has never been owned by Nakheel. QE2 was bought from Cunard by Istithimar ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istithmar_World) but was intended to ultimately be operated by Nakheel as part of their property portfolio. A holding company called QE2 Enterprises was established to manage the project to convert the ship into a luxury hotel. None of this is conjecture or speculation - Arabian Business.com article about Istithimar and QE2 and Gulf News article about Istithimar buying QE2. Lightbody ( talk) 14:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
She seems to be located at 25°16′29″N 55°17′25″E / 25.27481°N 55.29041°E if anyone wants to place these in the article ( i haven't worked out how to do it yet). And anyone who thinks ships aren't called "she" hasn't read a lot of books on or featuring ships. Britmax ( talk) 19:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. The current title appears to be both inaccurate and almost never used, and the proposed title already redirects here. Readers looking for the queen can find what they're looking for in the hatnote, as they are now.-- Cúchullain t/ c 17:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC) Cúchullain t/ c 17:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
RMS Queen Elizabeth 2 → Queen Elizabeth 2 –
Twice some basic info on QE2's long career with Cunard (notably owner and registry) has been removed from the Career Infobox with the justification that it was "clutter" and that only latest info should be included. This is directly contrary to Ships Infoboxes guidance and to widespread practice. I agree that where a ship career has been particularly complicated including all such details may be unhelpful, but that is most certainly not the case here. The present version gives the impression that her illustrious career has been only with Istithmar under Vanuatu flag. Response at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ships#Infobox_Ship_Career suggests views might be developed here in relation to this specific page, as well as there more generally. The same considerations, though, would apply in the cases of MS Queen Elizabeth, MS Queen Victoria and RMS Queen Mary 2, I suggest. Davidships ( talk) 23:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
What if the info box was sectioned with Cunard info first mentioning dimensions, construction and Cunard info and then a second section below with her current career and location etc (obviously with not too much info)?
Alphacatmarnie ( talk) 10:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm puzzled by this sentence "QE2 had no running mate and never ran a year-round weekly transatlantic express service to New York."
Articles such as MS Queen Victoria say "Queen Victoria is the running mate to Queen Mary 2, and the Queen Elizabeth. Until November 2008, she also operated alongside Queen Elizabeth 2." Does "running mate" have a specific definition for Cunard such that "QE2 had no running mate" is true?
Also, the second part of the sentence, "and never ran a year-round weekly transatlantic express service to New York," is unclear. Ideally, we'd need a citation for that and it's also unclear why we'd want to say what the vessel never did. I'm sure it never went to the moon and back either. If there is regular confusion about how the QE2 was operated them perhaps "Unlike the RMS Queen Elizabeth, the QE2 was never used for a year-round weekly transatlantic express service to New York." -- Marc Kupper| talk 19:20, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Since QE2 retired, various plans, "news" and rumours have come and gone. This has caused this part of the QE2 page to become extremely long and disorganised. It is too long relevant to the length of the page overall. QE2's career was over 40 years. Her retirement has only been 4.5 years, during which hardly anything has happened. Rob Lightbody ( talk) 12:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
In 1991, I sat in a bar at the Metropole Hotel in New York. I was there for the novelty value of this remarkable space, for its time. As I sat there, a gentleman asked if I would mind some company. I said "misery loves company and I would love to have a chat". The gentleman looked bothered and slightly dejected but overly distinguished.
We shook hands and exchanged names. "Pleased to meet you".
The cause of the concern appeared to be employment termination. Apparently the QE2 had sailed her last World Tour. This was the end of the line and it was off to India for metal value. These types of ships had become a symbol of a greater time in history.
After some time spent contemplating the bartenders cocktail experiment. I said "I have no doubt in my mind that you sir are never going to be unemployed or the ship scrapped".
He looked at me with some bemused interest and asked me what precisely lead me to think along those lines. I said, well look at the Concorde, the Space Shuttle and the Ferrari. For the most part, these things are enitely useless but without them we are all lesser people.
There was an article published in a copy of the Hermes magazine not long ago entitled "The Need for the Superfluous" and what these things represent is achievement and self expression.
I then went on to talk about the Stradivarius violin and concluded by saying that one does not own such a violin but merely takes care of it for others to own in the future. To the same extent, Cunard never owned the QEII.
It belongs to those who lived, loved, married, died and threw up on her. Those are the true owners, the people who relied on her to sail through all kinds of weather and situations. Who carry those memories through their lives. To break up the ship and its crew would be to abandon those collective experiences. And there was no real justification to ever do that.
He said "I am the ships captain and till now I was quite certain of what I was told but I now think otherwise". He asked for a serviette and began writing notes as we reiterated what was just said. My second cocktail had just kicked in and it was a slow speech. But the captain started to embrace the notions.
He invited me to tour the ship the next day. Stood up with the type of stature only a naval officer would possess and pulled his clothing into alignment as though he were expecting to have an inspection. He paid my tab, shook my hand firmly and departed to his room with a confident and purposeful stride.
Several months later, there was a change of fortune in the future of the QEII and I recall that at the time, the captains speech before the board of directors was cited as the single most compelling reason for the new plans. It was said at the time that the speech given in the defense of the QEII was the single greatest speech ever heard at Cunard.
I never met with the Captain the next day. I was heading back to Australia soon and had very limited time in New York. But I never forgot the passion and affection that Ronald has for his ship. It imprinted me with a sense of understanding that Captains are more than just highly ranked members of a crew. But the best custodians of our collective experiences and people we can trust not only to be professional but also have a heartfelt concern for what is essentially a superfluous mode of transport.
When and where in October 1984 did the alleged fire take place? I was aboard QE2 from October 1 to October 24 1984 and she maintained her published schedule throughout that period. Oct 1 - 6: Eastbound transatlantic nonstop from New York to Southampton. Oct 7 - 19: 12 night cruise from Southampton to Palma de Mallorca, Ajaccio, Naples, Palermo, Malaga, Praia da Rocha and Lisbon. Oct 19 - 24: Westbound transatlantic nonstop from Southampton to New York.
The fire occurred on October 28, 1984. It was a memorable date for me since it was my wife's 34th birthday. We were crossing from New York City to Southampton (Tilbury?) The lights went out and we glided to a halt. Some lights were restored before bedtime but there was still no running water, flushing toilets, or hot food for a day or two. My wife brushed her teeth with bottled water as I held a lighted birthday candle from earlier in the day and sang "happy birthday". The ship did not resume its journey for several days as parts were manufactured on the ship.
The American actor John Malkovich was also on the ship although we didn't know who he was at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.124.182.37 ( talk) 15:20, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
This ship which was never built is mentioned briefly in the article, but a dedicated page does not exist for it - there is a significant amount of information available for it online so it could be built up to a reasonable quality, perhaps this article could be created and linked in the 'Conception' part of the QE2 article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.12.16 ( talk) 14:50, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Is it possible we could update the infobox icon to something more recent, such as her current condition in Dubai? If that is not possible, can we update it to show her from bow to stern? Trevor Casey ( talk) 00:32, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
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MR. KJ0923 ( talk) 04:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
i need to fix some typos and mistakes. that is all.
I worked for Digital Equipment Corporation as a computer systems sales representative supporting the Texas Instruments account. Hotels in Boston were full occupancy. The most prestigious accomodations were the QE II. I waited in queue over 5 hours to secure rooms for my clients at Texas Instruments. I also was accommodated in the crew area.
Our meals in the first class dining room with caviar, vodka shots served in sterling silver "ash trays" were so British and so very memorable. I also loved learning about the waiter's use of the "crumber" to keep the white linen tablecloth pristine at all times. 128.92.217.110 ( talk) 02:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)