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Nominator: Therealscorp1an ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Cplakidas ( talk · contribs) 21:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Will take this on after reviewing Paul of Greece. Constantine ✍ 21:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks a heap! - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 23:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Cplakidas, it's been about three months since this was opened. Do you still intend to complete this review? Personally, I'd suggest quickfailing it since there are multiple unsourced paragraphs, which indicates that this wasn't ready to be nominated in the first place. Not to mention that
Therealscorp1an doesn't seem to be terribly active any more.
Thebiguglyalien (
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21:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thebiguglyalien the nominator had said they would be not available for some time, and he still had a rather complex GAR outstanding at Talk:George II of Greece/GA2. I see now that he will be available again from net week, so I will proceed with the review. Constantine ✍ 08:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Some comments:
- The third paragraph, from Anne-Marie is a great-great-granddaughter...first cousin of Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden. is unreferenced
- Ditto for the first two paragraphs in the 'Early life' section
- English boarding school outside Montreux what exactly is an *English* boarding school in Switzerland? I assume 'English-language' is meant, but this is not clear, especially because the next school is introduced as 'Swiss' although it is in the same region.
- Clarify what childcare work is? Was she a school teacher? Nurse?
- initially requested that one million dollars be spent on the wedding, however, the private office of the Danish royal family denied this because the sum was too low (in view that in the end two million were agreed on) or what was the reason for the denial?
- raised the polite protests of the Left in Denmark. meaning what exactly? What did the Left protest for/against? And what is a 'polite' protest?
- who would eventually take over as King Greece had male primogeniture, but Alexia was considered heir presumptive, so would strike this as it is too male-centric.
- due to a schism link the Apostasia of 1965 here. And the description of events leaves out some very important facts: the King installed a series of palace-backed governments instead that failed to get a vote of confidence, and was himself planning a "generals' coup" before the colonels got there first.
- beginning of a military dictatorship in Greece link the Greek junta
- however many members of the public therefore either the however or the therefore needs to go
- How can one salvage "national security"? Salvage from what?
- was married to Henri de Laborde de Monpezat at their wedding pleonasm: where else would they be married at?
- stage a counter-coup with the help of his political allies. is tagged for clarification since October 2019.
- Upon the coup's abandonment, the military junta in Greece strongly advised Anne-Marie and Constantine to leave the country. AFAIK this is incorrect; Constantine took the initiative to fly to Rome from Kavala after the counter-coup failed, and repeatedly contacted the junta in the next years to be allowed to return, which is also why he kept silent about the junta's policies generally, to keep his salary coming and his options open.
- Anne-Marie and Constantine became puppet monarchs Not sure that the term applies here as they were in exile; they were nominal monarchs after that, true, but 'puppet' implies that someone rules through a puppet, here the power relationship was quite clear in that the colonels had entirely sidelined the king and ruled by military might.
- even "strengthened" as a result is this a quote? Then it needs to be attributed. Also, refs #31 and #33 are from the same source
- 2500th anniversary of the founding of the Persian Empire pretty sure we have an article on this, please link it
- One of the last events Anne-Marie and Constantine attended as the monarchs of Greece was the funeral of Frederik IX, Anne-Marie's father, whom she grieved deeply. unreferenced
- when Georgios Zoitakis replaced Georgios Papadopoulos as the Regent of Greece the other way round, and please add a date
- (Palmer & Greece 1990, p. 114) please keep a common referencing format
- the national bird of Greece. there is no such thing. The phoenix was commonly used by republican regimes in the past, but became primarily associated with the junta. It was not a national symbol.
- growing uprise against the military dictatorship 'uprise' does not make sense, and if this is meant to convey a period of increased opposition to the junta, that did indeed start at about that time, but was only very peripherally connected to Constantine, as implied; it had more to do with financial crisis, the appearance that the junta was about to eternally embed itself in the state institutions, inter0military rivalries, etc.
- Anne-Marie and Constantine were officially dethroned by the 1974 Greek republic referendum on 29 July 1974 Where to start? The monarchy was first abolished by the junta in 29 July 1973 in a staged referendum. It was then officially abolished in December 1974 by another, free referendum, after the fall of the junta, which is the one linked here. Nothing happened on 29 July 1974.
- It was hoped that their positions by whom? Whose positions (implied, but it should be stated as Constantine and Anne-Marie are not mentioned)
- Following their miscarriage in 1980... at Kronborg Castle in Denmark. unreferenced
- #51 cites a Youtube documentary, this is not normally a WP:RS. The documentary includes interviews, including by Constantine himself, but these are then primary sources at best and can only be used for attributed quotes. A large part of the 'Return to Greece' relies on this one source, this is not enough, especially for the highly speculative 'Possibly in an attempt to...' pieces.
- the family took Greece to court in the European Court of Human Rights and sued them for €200 million when exactly?
- establish the Anna-Maria Foundation what is the relationship of this with the previous foundation of the same name?
- the former Royal Palace that is currently the Presidential Palace please provide a link
- Once the games concluded which games? No reference is made to the 2004 Olympics before.
- In 2013, Anne-Marie and Constantine returned to reside in Greece. They sold their home in London for €11.5 million and announced their return to Greece pleonasm
- For her 60th birthday, Anne-Marie boarded the cruise ship the Aphroessa why is this notable?
- Several of the listed sources are not used: Bloch, Blædel, Bramsen, Kølle, Lerche & Mandal, Spencer.
- As noted in other articles on Greek royalty, the coverage of the historical-political context is patchy and very superficial, especially as the articles rely on royal biographers rather than historians of modern Greece. This is less a problem here because Anne-Marie was not as politically involved, but remains an issue as to the overall quality and neutrality of the article, where there are several errors of fact or distortions due to oversimplifications.
Given that there are significant deficiencies in sourcing and referencing, I am failing the article at this time. Constantine ✍ 11:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: Therealscorp1an ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Cplakidas ( talk · contribs) 21:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Will take this on after reviewing Paul of Greece. Constantine ✍ 21:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks a heap! - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 23:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
-
Cplakidas, it's been about three months since this was opened. Do you still intend to complete this review? Personally, I'd suggest quickfailing it since there are multiple unsourced paragraphs, which indicates that this wasn't ready to be nominated in the first place. Not to mention that
Therealscorp1an doesn't seem to be terribly active any more.
Thebiguglyalien (
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21:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thebiguglyalien the nominator had said they would be not available for some time, and he still had a rather complex GAR outstanding at Talk:George II of Greece/GA2. I see now that he will be available again from net week, so I will proceed with the review. Constantine ✍ 08:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Some comments:
- The third paragraph, from Anne-Marie is a great-great-granddaughter...first cousin of Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden. is unreferenced
- Ditto for the first two paragraphs in the 'Early life' section
- English boarding school outside Montreux what exactly is an *English* boarding school in Switzerland? I assume 'English-language' is meant, but this is not clear, especially because the next school is introduced as 'Swiss' although it is in the same region.
- Clarify what childcare work is? Was she a school teacher? Nurse?
- initially requested that one million dollars be spent on the wedding, however, the private office of the Danish royal family denied this because the sum was too low (in view that in the end two million were agreed on) or what was the reason for the denial?
- raised the polite protests of the Left in Denmark. meaning what exactly? What did the Left protest for/against? And what is a 'polite' protest?
- who would eventually take over as King Greece had male primogeniture, but Alexia was considered heir presumptive, so would strike this as it is too male-centric.
- due to a schism link the Apostasia of 1965 here. And the description of events leaves out some very important facts: the King installed a series of palace-backed governments instead that failed to get a vote of confidence, and was himself planning a "generals' coup" before the colonels got there first.
- beginning of a military dictatorship in Greece link the Greek junta
- however many members of the public therefore either the however or the therefore needs to go
- How can one salvage "national security"? Salvage from what?
- was married to Henri de Laborde de Monpezat at their wedding pleonasm: where else would they be married at?
- stage a counter-coup with the help of his political allies. is tagged for clarification since October 2019.
- Upon the coup's abandonment, the military junta in Greece strongly advised Anne-Marie and Constantine to leave the country. AFAIK this is incorrect; Constantine took the initiative to fly to Rome from Kavala after the counter-coup failed, and repeatedly contacted the junta in the next years to be allowed to return, which is also why he kept silent about the junta's policies generally, to keep his salary coming and his options open.
- Anne-Marie and Constantine became puppet monarchs Not sure that the term applies here as they were in exile; they were nominal monarchs after that, true, but 'puppet' implies that someone rules through a puppet, here the power relationship was quite clear in that the colonels had entirely sidelined the king and ruled by military might.
- even "strengthened" as a result is this a quote? Then it needs to be attributed. Also, refs #31 and #33 are from the same source
- 2500th anniversary of the founding of the Persian Empire pretty sure we have an article on this, please link it
- One of the last events Anne-Marie and Constantine attended as the monarchs of Greece was the funeral of Frederik IX, Anne-Marie's father, whom she grieved deeply. unreferenced
- when Georgios Zoitakis replaced Georgios Papadopoulos as the Regent of Greece the other way round, and please add a date
- (Palmer & Greece 1990, p. 114) please keep a common referencing format
- the national bird of Greece. there is no such thing. The phoenix was commonly used by republican regimes in the past, but became primarily associated with the junta. It was not a national symbol.
- growing uprise against the military dictatorship 'uprise' does not make sense, and if this is meant to convey a period of increased opposition to the junta, that did indeed start at about that time, but was only very peripherally connected to Constantine, as implied; it had more to do with financial crisis, the appearance that the junta was about to eternally embed itself in the state institutions, inter0military rivalries, etc.
- Anne-Marie and Constantine were officially dethroned by the 1974 Greek republic referendum on 29 July 1974 Where to start? The monarchy was first abolished by the junta in 29 July 1973 in a staged referendum. It was then officially abolished in December 1974 by another, free referendum, after the fall of the junta, which is the one linked here. Nothing happened on 29 July 1974.
- It was hoped that their positions by whom? Whose positions (implied, but it should be stated as Constantine and Anne-Marie are not mentioned)
- Following their miscarriage in 1980... at Kronborg Castle in Denmark. unreferenced
- #51 cites a Youtube documentary, this is not normally a WP:RS. The documentary includes interviews, including by Constantine himself, but these are then primary sources at best and can only be used for attributed quotes. A large part of the 'Return to Greece' relies on this one source, this is not enough, especially for the highly speculative 'Possibly in an attempt to...' pieces.
- the family took Greece to court in the European Court of Human Rights and sued them for €200 million when exactly?
- establish the Anna-Maria Foundation what is the relationship of this with the previous foundation of the same name?
- the former Royal Palace that is currently the Presidential Palace please provide a link
- Once the games concluded which games? No reference is made to the 2004 Olympics before.
- In 2013, Anne-Marie and Constantine returned to reside in Greece. They sold their home in London for €11.5 million and announced their return to Greece pleonasm
- For her 60th birthday, Anne-Marie boarded the cruise ship the Aphroessa why is this notable?
- Several of the listed sources are not used: Bloch, Blædel, Bramsen, Kølle, Lerche & Mandal, Spencer.
- As noted in other articles on Greek royalty, the coverage of the historical-political context is patchy and very superficial, especially as the articles rely on royal biographers rather than historians of modern Greece. This is less a problem here because Anne-Marie was not as politically involved, but remains an issue as to the overall quality and neutrality of the article, where there are several errors of fact or distortions due to oversimplifications.
Given that there are significant deficiencies in sourcing and referencing, I am failing the article at this time. Constantine ✍ 11:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.