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I dont think brett favre ZuesChill ( talk) 19:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC) should be listed as a pocket QB like peyton or Brady. hes older but still gets out of the pocket and scrambles often. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.42.253.217 ( talk) 01:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Dumb question from a non-American: the quarterback is the most important (and usually best-paid) player on the team, aren't they? -- Robert Merkel 03:59 Oct 3, 2002 (UTC)
offensive line is the most important position as no form of offense can be executed without it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.153.255 ( talk) 23:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the highest paid position in the NFL is the Left Tackle (if your QB is right handed), or Right Tackle (if your QB is Left Handed). P.S. I don't know how to make it like yall did. Mason L. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.178.147.27|70.178.147.19:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC) ZuesChill ( talk)27]] ( talk) 20:01, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to know where the term quarterback came from. For that matter, what is the reason for the name of most of the positions. -- Allen 03:51, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
Well I'm not an expert on these things, and this is just from my observations, but I always thought of it this way:
Early rosters don't include "quarterbacks" but "blocking backs" instead. 66.217.46.108 ( talk) 21:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
this article wreaks of POV issues and relevancy to its topic. Afew examples, in which I could ramble on for ages about regarding how and why are listed below.
I'd like to see a list of all the active QB's in the NFL. Can anyone do that. Just for informational purposes only. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.253.128 ( talk)
why is it that from the highschool level on up that the QB isn't suposed to be hit in practice? In a game the other team isn't not going to hit them just because they are a QB The QB should be prepared for anything shouldn't he? please help out a confused rugby player who doesn't get the finer mechanics of foot ball
Are there historical quarterbacks who were exceptionally good at receiving passes? Xunflash 03:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Something needs to be done with this section to clean it into a more directed account of the QB position's role in the game. Right now it reads like an apology letter to the fans for why someone's QB didn't win them the game. ju66l3r 22:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
The quote "Tremendous emphasis is placed on a quarterback's win-loss record..." should be removed. I dare anyone, even the most versed college/NFL football fan, to name ANY quarterback's win-loss record off the top of their head. The only time a QB's W-L record even becomes remotely mentioned is with respect to wins (or lack thereof) in the playoffs.
Can the word 'Often" in the sentence "Often in the NFL and college football, a team is undecided on which quarterback to start a game..." be removed? Seriously, how many teams in the NFL and NCAA are 'often' undecided on who their starting quarterback will be? Presently in the NFL, I can think of one team, maybe two (Cleveland and Detroit) who may start a different QB from one week to the next. And that is just in the early part of the season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.169.188.226 ( talk) 16:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
The fact that this article has a Navy (which is known for it's running game) quarterback as a primary picture is a shame for the quartebacks in general. Could anyone come up with a more deserving image? teevee
Does anyone have a reliable source for the "has its origin in Scottish Rugby" account of the QB terminology? I'll grant you it would be a fairly logical name for the scrum-half, who is evidently less far "back" than the fly-half, and less convoluted than the half/five-eighths scheme for distinguishing between the two (plus the three-quarters x4+full-back). Alai 04:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I find no mention of a Quarterback calling the offensive play in the huddle. Maybe an explanation of what a huddle is (The offensive players gathered in a circle or sometimes in row(s) some distance behind the line of scrimmage). The play is called in a huddle prior to the start of each offensive play, or something similar to give the reader an idea of what a quarterback does instead of just taking the ball and handing it off or throwing it.
Also, the "down, set, hut" verbage is not used to signal the offensive team to snap the ball. Maybe in sandlot, or playground games this is used however in any organized team setting there are a wide variety of signals used to initiate the snap (Silent snap counts, cadences, "on three", etc.).
I see no reason why "gunslinger" needs it's own article. That article doesn't seem encyclopedic enough to warrant a unique article. I would suggest merging relevant content into this article. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 05:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree that "Gunslinger" should not be its own article, and since no one has really objected, have gone ahead and redirected it here. lakersnbulls91, go ahead and merge whatever content that you see fit from the page history page history. You may also want to mention the term at Glossary of American football. × Meegs 10:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The article makes is seem that the idea of a quarterback running the ball is a new innovation. In reality, it's as old as the game itself.-- RLent 22:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
What QB's role before modern passing be (i.e before Rockne). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.244.191 ( talk) 23:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Given the actual etymology of the Quarter/half/fullback position names, this explanation from the lead strikes me as dubious:
-- Powers T 15:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
What?!
~ Odinson82~ 6:15 30 Sept 2008 (UTC-8)
Football was a different game when the term "quarterback" was coined. Look up the single wing offense. The tailback or fullback took the snaps in a pistol/shotgun style, and the "quarterback" was a blocker that lined up just behind the linemen. He did call out snap counts due to his proximity to the line. The term "quarterback" has nothing to do with receiving snaps or throwing passes, just references the distance he traditionally lined up behind the scrimmage line.
Prior to the 1930s there was no such thing as quarterbacks - they were often listed as blocking backs, as shown in contemporaneous newspaper articles. [1] I have restored this to the lede. B.Wind ( talk) 12:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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Once someone finds the references, there should also be a section of quarterback styles, such as option quarterback, gunslinger (American football), system quarterback (this undefined term seems to have gained traction in the past 20 years or so - see WP:Requested articles), and so forth. B.Wind ( talk) 13:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Article sez
Clearly not all plays where the ball is snapped to someone other than the QB are "trick plays". Punts, FG tries when the QB is not the holder, are obvious examples, but I get the impression from the wildcat formation article that a snap to the halfback for a team running the wildcat is somewhat expected and hardly a "trick". Someone who has more detailed knowledge of these points should reword. -- Trovatore ( talk) 02:06, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that there is nothing about the quarterback receiving the ball from the center or being responsible for passing the ball forward or handing off the ball to a runner. Someone not familiar with football already will still have no idea what the quarterback does after reading this article. Perhaps some basics should be added in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.120.102.144 ( talk) 21:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
The lead at the moment says the QB was "initially called blocking back." I haven't found any evidence that this is true. In fact, it's quite clear from the record that the term quarterback dates to 1880. The citation on the "blocking back" in the lead now points to an encyclopedia of football, without any more specific reference. Anyone have anything on the quarterback actually being called "blocking back" at first? Obviously that's the primary role the quarterback played in early offenses, but from what I can see he was called the quarterback, not the blocking back. -- Batard0 ( talk) 06:26, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
An IP user, 108.49.60.149, has repeatedly deleted the section of this article on race. I believe that this is relevant, verifiable content discussed by reliable sources that belongs in the article. The IP user disagrees, writing that "'Race' has no bearing on an athletes skill, and shouldn't be part of this article." Regardless of this user's personal opinion on whether race has a bearing on skill, the fact is that notable media sources have discussed this issue, and this is the criterion for whether content should be included in Wikipedia. Furthermore, the section does not address whether race has a bearing on skill; it is rather about whether African American athletes are underrepresented and/or face discrimination. The proper way to resolve this dispute is to engage in a discussion and reach consensus here, not through edit warring. -- Albany NY ( talk) 16:30, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
With all due respect gentlemen, the article IS not, AND SHOULD NOT BE, about the representation of race - or lack thereof - in ONE league that happens to play the game. It's quite specifically about a position in the game of football called Quarterback and a description of said positron...color of skin bears no relevance to the position at all. At very best, that section belongs on the NFL page and not here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:A6 ( talk) 01:01, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
What exactly does a perceived racial bias in ONE professional football league have to do with the POSITION of quarterback as it relates to the game of football? Even if it were true (and maybe it is), is the article a referendum on racial disparity in the NFL or is it about a player position? What does that say to a kid in the youngest leagues in the game? Grade school? High school? College? - At very best, the whole subsection seems like it belongs on the NFL page and NOT on the Quarterback page. Being black or white or Latino or Chinese.....these things don't have a single thing to do with playing that position. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.0.165.202 ( talk) 01:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC) This IP appears to be the same user as 2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:A6 and 108.49.60.149 Meters ( talk) 06:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
This article is not about the NFL. It's about a player position. I think you've both lost sight of that. Nobody is disputing the accuracy of the information. But how can you sit there, call yourself an objective editor, and allow a reference to a blatantly inflammatory racial bias? That entire section serves no other purpose than to evoke a misguided sense of "white guilt". It has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on the mechanics of the position. All other references you point to with NFL player examples are designed with the specific purpose of explaining tactics, strategy, formation, etc....but the so called "race" section has no such information contained inside. It simply points to the NFL and figuratively says, "by the way, it's been said that this company discriminates". There's no value added there. There's NOTHING in that subsection that is actually related to the game other than the player's mentioned. Yes, there is racism. We're not blind. But it no more applies to the actual position of quarterback than color shoe's the player's wear. You can back it up with all the article's you want...it's still irrelevant to the position of quarterback in the game of football and it always will be. It's ONLY relevant if we're talking about the NFL. Wikipedia is not a magazine...it's an encyclopedia - or at least it's supposed to be. Leaving sensationalist and blatantly white shaming racist nonsense like this in the article only serves to drag down the entire institution and idea of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.0.165.202 ( talk) 21:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
The quarter back is not 'colloquially known as the signal caller.' The quarterback IS the signal caller! The one that calls signals. This is nothing more than a description of their role, not some colloquial title for their position. Firejuggler86 ( talk) 19:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC) [1]
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I dont think brett favre ZuesChill ( talk) 19:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC) should be listed as a pocket QB like peyton or Brady. hes older but still gets out of the pocket and scrambles often. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.42.253.217 ( talk) 01:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Dumb question from a non-American: the quarterback is the most important (and usually best-paid) player on the team, aren't they? -- Robert Merkel 03:59 Oct 3, 2002 (UTC)
offensive line is the most important position as no form of offense can be executed without it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.153.255 ( talk) 23:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the highest paid position in the NFL is the Left Tackle (if your QB is right handed), or Right Tackle (if your QB is Left Handed). P.S. I don't know how to make it like yall did. Mason L. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.178.147.27|70.178.147.19:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC) ZuesChill ( talk)27]] ( talk) 20:01, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to know where the term quarterback came from. For that matter, what is the reason for the name of most of the positions. -- Allen 03:51, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
Well I'm not an expert on these things, and this is just from my observations, but I always thought of it this way:
Early rosters don't include "quarterbacks" but "blocking backs" instead. 66.217.46.108 ( talk) 21:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
this article wreaks of POV issues and relevancy to its topic. Afew examples, in which I could ramble on for ages about regarding how and why are listed below.
I'd like to see a list of all the active QB's in the NFL. Can anyone do that. Just for informational purposes only. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.253.128 ( talk)
why is it that from the highschool level on up that the QB isn't suposed to be hit in practice? In a game the other team isn't not going to hit them just because they are a QB The QB should be prepared for anything shouldn't he? please help out a confused rugby player who doesn't get the finer mechanics of foot ball
Are there historical quarterbacks who were exceptionally good at receiving passes? Xunflash 03:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Something needs to be done with this section to clean it into a more directed account of the QB position's role in the game. Right now it reads like an apology letter to the fans for why someone's QB didn't win them the game. ju66l3r 22:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
The quote "Tremendous emphasis is placed on a quarterback's win-loss record..." should be removed. I dare anyone, even the most versed college/NFL football fan, to name ANY quarterback's win-loss record off the top of their head. The only time a QB's W-L record even becomes remotely mentioned is with respect to wins (or lack thereof) in the playoffs.
Can the word 'Often" in the sentence "Often in the NFL and college football, a team is undecided on which quarterback to start a game..." be removed? Seriously, how many teams in the NFL and NCAA are 'often' undecided on who their starting quarterback will be? Presently in the NFL, I can think of one team, maybe two (Cleveland and Detroit) who may start a different QB from one week to the next. And that is just in the early part of the season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.169.188.226 ( talk) 16:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
The fact that this article has a Navy (which is known for it's running game) quarterback as a primary picture is a shame for the quartebacks in general. Could anyone come up with a more deserving image? teevee
Does anyone have a reliable source for the "has its origin in Scottish Rugby" account of the QB terminology? I'll grant you it would be a fairly logical name for the scrum-half, who is evidently less far "back" than the fly-half, and less convoluted than the half/five-eighths scheme for distinguishing between the two (plus the three-quarters x4+full-back). Alai 04:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I find no mention of a Quarterback calling the offensive play in the huddle. Maybe an explanation of what a huddle is (The offensive players gathered in a circle or sometimes in row(s) some distance behind the line of scrimmage). The play is called in a huddle prior to the start of each offensive play, or something similar to give the reader an idea of what a quarterback does instead of just taking the ball and handing it off or throwing it.
Also, the "down, set, hut" verbage is not used to signal the offensive team to snap the ball. Maybe in sandlot, or playground games this is used however in any organized team setting there are a wide variety of signals used to initiate the snap (Silent snap counts, cadences, "on three", etc.).
I see no reason why "gunslinger" needs it's own article. That article doesn't seem encyclopedic enough to warrant a unique article. I would suggest merging relevant content into this article. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 05:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree that "Gunslinger" should not be its own article, and since no one has really objected, have gone ahead and redirected it here. lakersnbulls91, go ahead and merge whatever content that you see fit from the page history page history. You may also want to mention the term at Glossary of American football. × Meegs 10:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The article makes is seem that the idea of a quarterback running the ball is a new innovation. In reality, it's as old as the game itself.-- RLent 22:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
What QB's role before modern passing be (i.e before Rockne). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.244.191 ( talk) 23:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Given the actual etymology of the Quarter/half/fullback position names, this explanation from the lead strikes me as dubious:
-- Powers T 15:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
What?!
~ Odinson82~ 6:15 30 Sept 2008 (UTC-8)
Football was a different game when the term "quarterback" was coined. Look up the single wing offense. The tailback or fullback took the snaps in a pistol/shotgun style, and the "quarterback" was a blocker that lined up just behind the linemen. He did call out snap counts due to his proximity to the line. The term "quarterback" has nothing to do with receiving snaps or throwing passes, just references the distance he traditionally lined up behind the scrimmage line.
Prior to the 1930s there was no such thing as quarterbacks - they were often listed as blocking backs, as shown in contemporaneous newspaper articles. [1] I have restored this to the lede. B.Wind ( talk) 12:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
References
Once someone finds the references, there should also be a section of quarterback styles, such as option quarterback, gunslinger (American football), system quarterback (this undefined term seems to have gained traction in the past 20 years or so - see WP:Requested articles), and so forth. B.Wind ( talk) 13:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Article sez
Clearly not all plays where the ball is snapped to someone other than the QB are "trick plays". Punts, FG tries when the QB is not the holder, are obvious examples, but I get the impression from the wildcat formation article that a snap to the halfback for a team running the wildcat is somewhat expected and hardly a "trick". Someone who has more detailed knowledge of these points should reword. -- Trovatore ( talk) 02:06, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that there is nothing about the quarterback receiving the ball from the center or being responsible for passing the ball forward or handing off the ball to a runner. Someone not familiar with football already will still have no idea what the quarterback does after reading this article. Perhaps some basics should be added in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.120.102.144 ( talk) 21:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
The lead at the moment says the QB was "initially called blocking back." I haven't found any evidence that this is true. In fact, it's quite clear from the record that the term quarterback dates to 1880. The citation on the "blocking back" in the lead now points to an encyclopedia of football, without any more specific reference. Anyone have anything on the quarterback actually being called "blocking back" at first? Obviously that's the primary role the quarterback played in early offenses, but from what I can see he was called the quarterback, not the blocking back. -- Batard0 ( talk) 06:26, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
An IP user, 108.49.60.149, has repeatedly deleted the section of this article on race. I believe that this is relevant, verifiable content discussed by reliable sources that belongs in the article. The IP user disagrees, writing that "'Race' has no bearing on an athletes skill, and shouldn't be part of this article." Regardless of this user's personal opinion on whether race has a bearing on skill, the fact is that notable media sources have discussed this issue, and this is the criterion for whether content should be included in Wikipedia. Furthermore, the section does not address whether race has a bearing on skill; it is rather about whether African American athletes are underrepresented and/or face discrimination. The proper way to resolve this dispute is to engage in a discussion and reach consensus here, not through edit warring. -- Albany NY ( talk) 16:30, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
With all due respect gentlemen, the article IS not, AND SHOULD NOT BE, about the representation of race - or lack thereof - in ONE league that happens to play the game. It's quite specifically about a position in the game of football called Quarterback and a description of said positron...color of skin bears no relevance to the position at all. At very best, that section belongs on the NFL page and not here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:A6 ( talk) 01:01, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
What exactly does a perceived racial bias in ONE professional football league have to do with the POSITION of quarterback as it relates to the game of football? Even if it were true (and maybe it is), is the article a referendum on racial disparity in the NFL or is it about a player position? What does that say to a kid in the youngest leagues in the game? Grade school? High school? College? - At very best, the whole subsection seems like it belongs on the NFL page and NOT on the Quarterback page. Being black or white or Latino or Chinese.....these things don't have a single thing to do with playing that position. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.0.165.202 ( talk) 01:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC) This IP appears to be the same user as 2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:A6 and 108.49.60.149 Meters ( talk) 06:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
This article is not about the NFL. It's about a player position. I think you've both lost sight of that. Nobody is disputing the accuracy of the information. But how can you sit there, call yourself an objective editor, and allow a reference to a blatantly inflammatory racial bias? That entire section serves no other purpose than to evoke a misguided sense of "white guilt". It has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on the mechanics of the position. All other references you point to with NFL player examples are designed with the specific purpose of explaining tactics, strategy, formation, etc....but the so called "race" section has no such information contained inside. It simply points to the NFL and figuratively says, "by the way, it's been said that this company discriminates". There's no value added there. There's NOTHING in that subsection that is actually related to the game other than the player's mentioned. Yes, there is racism. We're not blind. But it no more applies to the actual position of quarterback than color shoe's the player's wear. You can back it up with all the article's you want...it's still irrelevant to the position of quarterback in the game of football and it always will be. It's ONLY relevant if we're talking about the NFL. Wikipedia is not a magazine...it's an encyclopedia - or at least it's supposed to be. Leaving sensationalist and blatantly white shaming racist nonsense like this in the article only serves to drag down the entire institution and idea of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.0.165.202 ( talk) 21:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
The quarter back is not 'colloquially known as the signal caller.' The quarterback IS the signal caller! The one that calls signals. This is nothing more than a description of their role, not some colloquial title for their position. Firejuggler86 ( talk) 19:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC) [1]
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