This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Quantico (TV series) article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | Quantico (TV series) has been listed as one of the
Media and drama good articles under the
good article criteria. If you can improve it further,
please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
reassess it. Review: August 9, 2017. ( Reviewed version). |
![]() | A fact from Quantico (TV series) appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 4 September 2017 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
| ![]() |
![]() | This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the
Top 25 Report 2 times. The weeks in which this happened:
|
The last phrase of the first paragraph is not right:
"ABC ordered a full season on October 13, 2015, with an ordered 19 episodes"
The verb order in "an ordered 19 episodes" is... out of order. Contextually, also, based on the linked source (4), that phrase could read: "On October 13, 2015, ABC ordered six additional episode for a total of 19."
Why couldn't I fix it myself? I'm a French speaking Quebecer. Netweezurd ( talk) 08:01, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
In this edit I restored the list of episodes table. There was no discussion prior to the split, and had there been, it might have been pointed out that we don't typically split episode articles off until S2 begins. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Here what I had posted and what has been deleted by individuals from India and a person who claims to be from Australia, but afraid to state its real name. I guess because of a persecution in Australia.
Quantico in the series premiere «Run» mentioned on 34:44 min that the CIA think that the terrorist act on Grand Central Station is tied to Ukrainian nationalists. This part has really offended Ukrainian people who are fighting a proxy war in the East Ukraine with Russia. [39] By a strange coincidence, 2 other American TV series from CBS - Elementary[40] and Madam Secretary[41] also portrait Ukrainian nationalist as terrorists. It raised questions about the reasons behind it - to portrait people who are fighting Russian aggression in Ukraine as terrorists.
Please stop vandalizing my addition to this page and stick to your country TV series. This is an American TV show. America is about a freedom of expression - something that no Indian or Australian has any idea. Socrat1
The Episode 22 description needs an English edit by someone who has seen the episode (I have not seen it yet, sorry). Two examples: "Alex and Ryan finally confront Liam and is killed." (who is killed?) and "Senator Haas, now Madam Vice President shows up at the obituary of Simon . . ." (funeral, not obituary, perhaps?). 99.184.35.28 ( talk) 04:13, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Second season of Quantico has already been confirmed. With one season as big as 22 episodes, it'd be a good idea to move list of episodes to List of Quantico episodes. Thoughts? ping, Cyphoidbomb Coderzombie ( talk) 19:14, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
I'll get the ball rolling on this – while I don't have the blanket opposition to "cast tables" that some WP:TV editors seems to, I have been coming around to the idea that they work better at [List of xxxx characters] articles than they do at the main TV series articles.
Thus my suggestion would be to spin off List of Quantico characters into a separate article (esp. if season 2 character outlines are already known), and move the cast table over there. Then simply leave brief character "blurbs" at this, the main TV series article.
Now, discuss... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 06:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the placement of the cast section, which is currently after the episode table, I think it should be moved to before the episode table. It is more structurally, and easier for people to understand which actor is playing that particular character whom is mentioned in the season summary and in episode summaries. Thus, by moving the cast section between the season summary and episode table, it is easier to understand who is who. Also, the majority of television show's Wikipedia pages has the cast section before the episode table, for example Grey's Anatomy, Once Upon a Time, The Walking Dead, Homeland and The Big Bang Theory. Twotimer17 ( talk) 21:16, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
The current cast listing states the outcome for each character at the end of the season, which isn't necessary on a section which is viewable to anyone who visits the main page. This can be kept to the plot section, which viewers who haven't yet seen the episodes can choose to avoid and thus not have the outcome revealed to them unwittingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.159.173 ( talk) 12:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot. Such concerns must not interfere with neutral point of view, encyclopedic tone, completeness, or any other element of article quality. There's a massive discussion on this very topic over on the talk page of the Mr. Robot series, where much of this is rehashed. And please sign your posts with ~~~~, rather than relying on a bot to do it. Thank you. Alex|The|Whovian ? 10:41, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Stop the bickering and make the change already. Just because you can, doesn't mean you must put spoilers in unexpected locations. While watching a show it is quite common to quickly check who plays a certain character. It really sucks when you do that during episode one, and the plot of the entire season is given away for no apparent reason. Doing this reduces the utility and trustworthiness of Wikipedia, and everybody loses. This has nothing to do with "encyclopedic tone" or "neutral point of view", it is a matter of presenting material in the most useful way. 108.234.224.230 ( talk) 08:19, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
If you're going to leave the spoiler in, can someone at least make it consistent? The plot section says Alex resigns at the end of S1, but the cast section says she was fired.
On the upside, I guess I don't currently know what happens at the end of S1. Morfusmax ( talk) 21:55, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
The plot sections of the season articles were recently deleted without discussion by AlexTheWhovian citing WP:TVPLOT. This section of the Manual of Style was updated shortly before, based on this discussion. (The discussion and the changes resulting from it are themselves being discussed here.)
It should be noted that the Manual of Style is a non-mandatory guideline, established to help editors make articles more consistent. Local consensus at each WikiProject and article can determine how it should be applied.
The update to MOS:TVPLOT includes:
There may have to be a bit of restructuring amongst the articles in response to the TVPLOT changes. I'd appreciate opinions and discussion from other editors. - Reidgreg ( talk) 18:38, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Adamstom.97 ( talk · contribs) 22:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
I've watched a bit of this show, but haven't been following it for a while, so don't mind being spoiled by going through this. I'll get to the review shortly. - adamstom97 ( talk) 22:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Okay, here are some issues that I have found reading through the article that should be addressed before it is promoted.
I have a couple problems here, but I'll talk about them in a different section below.
This is the only structural issue I have with the article—you have two separate sections about the release of the series, and they come after the reception section. It is confusing to have a section called "Broadcast and distribution", and then to take a major part of the series' distribution and put it in a separate section. I highly recommend that the home media info be a subsection of the other one. If you don't like having home media under "Broadcast", then I suggest a "Release" section with the broadcast one and the home media one as sub-sections of that. And all of this should be before the reception section. There cannot be a reception to a series before it is released: critics cannot review it before they see it, and their can be no audience ratings if it hasn't aired. It just does not make sense to have the release info after the reception section. Also, and this is where my comment about the ratings section comes back in, you have to do all the release stuff multiple times in the article because the ratings section doesn't have the context of the release section to help. So you have ended up with release dates in the ratings section and the broadcast section, instead of just noting when the series was aired, and then talking about the rating for those airings in the next section. This is all a pretty major one for the review. When these changes are made, you should add broadcast info for seasons two and three as well.
I am going to put the review on hold while the above issues are addressed. I am of course happy to discuss anything along the way. - adamstom97 ( talk) 06:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Shouldn't a season three page be created, now that the synopsis and release date have been revealed? Abbynaive ( talk) 13:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
@ AlexTheWhovian: I'm not going to revert this but I assume that, like with most section header anchors, it was added in case someone changed the name of the heading at a later date. I'll leave it because it's probably unlikely someone would change this particular heading name as it's a relatively standard heading for a TV series article but no, anchors in section headers that match the current name of that section are not necessarily redundant. They're future-proofing links to particular sections. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 18:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Quantico (TV series) article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | Quantico (TV series) has been listed as one of the
Media and drama good articles under the
good article criteria. If you can improve it further,
please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
reassess it. Review: August 9, 2017. ( Reviewed version). |
![]() | A fact from Quantico (TV series) appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 4 September 2017 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
| ![]() |
![]() | This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the
Top 25 Report 2 times. The weeks in which this happened:
|
The last phrase of the first paragraph is not right:
"ABC ordered a full season on October 13, 2015, with an ordered 19 episodes"
The verb order in "an ordered 19 episodes" is... out of order. Contextually, also, based on the linked source (4), that phrase could read: "On October 13, 2015, ABC ordered six additional episode for a total of 19."
Why couldn't I fix it myself? I'm a French speaking Quebecer. Netweezurd ( talk) 08:01, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
In this edit I restored the list of episodes table. There was no discussion prior to the split, and had there been, it might have been pointed out that we don't typically split episode articles off until S2 begins. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Here what I had posted and what has been deleted by individuals from India and a person who claims to be from Australia, but afraid to state its real name. I guess because of a persecution in Australia.
Quantico in the series premiere «Run» mentioned on 34:44 min that the CIA think that the terrorist act on Grand Central Station is tied to Ukrainian nationalists. This part has really offended Ukrainian people who are fighting a proxy war in the East Ukraine with Russia. [39] By a strange coincidence, 2 other American TV series from CBS - Elementary[40] and Madam Secretary[41] also portrait Ukrainian nationalist as terrorists. It raised questions about the reasons behind it - to portrait people who are fighting Russian aggression in Ukraine as terrorists.
Please stop vandalizing my addition to this page and stick to your country TV series. This is an American TV show. America is about a freedom of expression - something that no Indian or Australian has any idea. Socrat1
The Episode 22 description needs an English edit by someone who has seen the episode (I have not seen it yet, sorry). Two examples: "Alex and Ryan finally confront Liam and is killed." (who is killed?) and "Senator Haas, now Madam Vice President shows up at the obituary of Simon . . ." (funeral, not obituary, perhaps?). 99.184.35.28 ( talk) 04:13, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Second season of Quantico has already been confirmed. With one season as big as 22 episodes, it'd be a good idea to move list of episodes to List of Quantico episodes. Thoughts? ping, Cyphoidbomb Coderzombie ( talk) 19:14, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
I'll get the ball rolling on this – while I don't have the blanket opposition to "cast tables" that some WP:TV editors seems to, I have been coming around to the idea that they work better at [List of xxxx characters] articles than they do at the main TV series articles.
Thus my suggestion would be to spin off List of Quantico characters into a separate article (esp. if season 2 character outlines are already known), and move the cast table over there. Then simply leave brief character "blurbs" at this, the main TV series article.
Now, discuss... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 06:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the placement of the cast section, which is currently after the episode table, I think it should be moved to before the episode table. It is more structurally, and easier for people to understand which actor is playing that particular character whom is mentioned in the season summary and in episode summaries. Thus, by moving the cast section between the season summary and episode table, it is easier to understand who is who. Also, the majority of television show's Wikipedia pages has the cast section before the episode table, for example Grey's Anatomy, Once Upon a Time, The Walking Dead, Homeland and The Big Bang Theory. Twotimer17 ( talk) 21:16, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
The current cast listing states the outcome for each character at the end of the season, which isn't necessary on a section which is viewable to anyone who visits the main page. This can be kept to the plot section, which viewers who haven't yet seen the episodes can choose to avoid and thus not have the outcome revealed to them unwittingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.159.173 ( talk) 12:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot. Such concerns must not interfere with neutral point of view, encyclopedic tone, completeness, or any other element of article quality. There's a massive discussion on this very topic over on the talk page of the Mr. Robot series, where much of this is rehashed. And please sign your posts with ~~~~, rather than relying on a bot to do it. Thank you. Alex|The|Whovian ? 10:41, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Stop the bickering and make the change already. Just because you can, doesn't mean you must put spoilers in unexpected locations. While watching a show it is quite common to quickly check who plays a certain character. It really sucks when you do that during episode one, and the plot of the entire season is given away for no apparent reason. Doing this reduces the utility and trustworthiness of Wikipedia, and everybody loses. This has nothing to do with "encyclopedic tone" or "neutral point of view", it is a matter of presenting material in the most useful way. 108.234.224.230 ( talk) 08:19, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
If you're going to leave the spoiler in, can someone at least make it consistent? The plot section says Alex resigns at the end of S1, but the cast section says she was fired.
On the upside, I guess I don't currently know what happens at the end of S1. Morfusmax ( talk) 21:55, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
The plot sections of the season articles were recently deleted without discussion by AlexTheWhovian citing WP:TVPLOT. This section of the Manual of Style was updated shortly before, based on this discussion. (The discussion and the changes resulting from it are themselves being discussed here.)
It should be noted that the Manual of Style is a non-mandatory guideline, established to help editors make articles more consistent. Local consensus at each WikiProject and article can determine how it should be applied.
The update to MOS:TVPLOT includes:
There may have to be a bit of restructuring amongst the articles in response to the TVPLOT changes. I'd appreciate opinions and discussion from other editors. - Reidgreg ( talk) 18:38, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Adamstom.97 ( talk · contribs) 22:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
I've watched a bit of this show, but haven't been following it for a while, so don't mind being spoiled by going through this. I'll get to the review shortly. - adamstom97 ( talk) 22:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Okay, here are some issues that I have found reading through the article that should be addressed before it is promoted.
I have a couple problems here, but I'll talk about them in a different section below.
This is the only structural issue I have with the article—you have two separate sections about the release of the series, and they come after the reception section. It is confusing to have a section called "Broadcast and distribution", and then to take a major part of the series' distribution and put it in a separate section. I highly recommend that the home media info be a subsection of the other one. If you don't like having home media under "Broadcast", then I suggest a "Release" section with the broadcast one and the home media one as sub-sections of that. And all of this should be before the reception section. There cannot be a reception to a series before it is released: critics cannot review it before they see it, and their can be no audience ratings if it hasn't aired. It just does not make sense to have the release info after the reception section. Also, and this is where my comment about the ratings section comes back in, you have to do all the release stuff multiple times in the article because the ratings section doesn't have the context of the release section to help. So you have ended up with release dates in the ratings section and the broadcast section, instead of just noting when the series was aired, and then talking about the rating for those airings in the next section. This is all a pretty major one for the review. When these changes are made, you should add broadcast info for seasons two and three as well.
I am going to put the review on hold while the above issues are addressed. I am of course happy to discuss anything along the way. - adamstom97 ( talk) 06:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Shouldn't a season three page be created, now that the synopsis and release date have been revealed? Abbynaive ( talk) 13:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
@ AlexTheWhovian: I'm not going to revert this but I assume that, like with most section header anchors, it was added in case someone changed the name of the heading at a later date. I'll leave it because it's probably unlikely someone would change this particular heading name as it's a relatively standard heading for a TV series article but no, anchors in section headers that match the current name of that section are not necessarily redundant. They're future-proofing links to particular sections. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 18:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)