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Note that the form in French is Québec solidaire, with the "s" lowercased, as per the usual rules. Québec Solidaire (capital "s") is acceptable when we are writing in English, as we do likewise for Bloc Québécois and so forth. - Montréalais 05:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Québec Solidaire aims to change the way politics are dealt with in Québec. By implementing participating democracy in the party's own structure and choosing a consensual approach (as opposed to a strict hierarchy), Québec Solidaire has a goal of redefining politicians and give a more important voice to the people in the province's political scene.
Québec Solidaire also advocates a proportional vote in Québec wich would enrich democracy by allowing entry of smaller partys and an equal representation of women and minorities onthe political scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.61.96.73 ( talk • contribs)
I'm reverting your edits, anonymous. I think it's clear that you're deliberately trying to slant this article to emphasize that QS is extremist, marginal, communistic, etc. Do read over the policy on presenting a neutral point of view. If you have anything useful to add as a corrective, on the other hand, please add it. For example, you'd be very welcome to add a section called "Criticism of QS" reporting any sort of allegations or criticisms that may be out there.
One of your edits was justified with the statement The party itself advocates that it contains socialist and communist forces and several statement in the article contains reference to it. It therefore make sense to include them in those categories. The first sentence, if I understand it right, is incorrect. Certainly there are socialists and communists within the QS. But the party does not advocate socialism or communism, as such. Quartier Latin1968 16:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not criticizing their point of view.
I think we may disagree but it is not correct on a neutral web page to present this party in an other form than a marginal party in Quebec. No poll showed a real intention of voters to support this party and on the last election, UFP got 1.76% on average where it presented a candidate. It is not a question on wether you agree or disagree with their political platform, it is a question of using a neutral vocabulary for a party that gets marginal support from the population.
Maybe the term far left would be most appropriate to describe where this party stand on Quebec political spectrum. But I don't think it is neutral to speculate on their future outcome. The Gazette, for example, used a more critical language than the canadian press article that is cited.
I think that if this page is to be neutral, it should be presented as it is, a marginal party to the left of the Parti Quebecois. Even if in Francoise David's term, the Parti Quebecois is a right wing party, the Parti Quebecois defines itself has a left wing social democrat party and got the support from more than 30% of the population at the last election. QS should therefore be presented as a party to the left of Quebec's historical left wing party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.239.168 ( talk • contribs)
I think the name should be "Québec solidaire", as the official name presented on the party's website is consistently spelled in this way. -- saforrest 01:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I scratched the entry at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Non-controversial_proposals; I don't think it's "uncontroversial", and this talk page shows a debate. Please relist as a regular entry in WP:RM if you want to pursue the matter. Duja 09:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, better late than never. The NC that covers the issue is WP:CAPS#Capitalization of expressions borrowed from other languages. I'm moving the page. Duja ► 07:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that there really ought to be a link to Gauche Socialiste. It already has its own page and refers to it as being a component of Quebec Solidaire. Rmalhotr 22:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Internal factions of the party are anti-capitalist and Trotskyist, hence far-left. In ideology, ``Left-wing to Far-Left`` is accurate, as some factions are more radical than others. A party that has a Trotskyism sub-faction cannot be labeled merely ``left-wing``. And the 2006 discussion is outdated, 8 years ago. --- 70.29.236.90 ( talk) 01:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Sorry if this is irritatingly noobish, but I was wondering about the standard French pronunciation given. Within Québec, I seldom hear even bilingual anglophones or Metropolitan transplants calling the party anything but [ke.bɛk sɔ.li.daɛ̯ʁ] with the diphthongized short vowel (presumably because of the party's strain of nationalism). I know that there isn't an official standard of French pronunciation in Québec the way there is for American English, but giving the more International pronunciation seems misleading inasmuch as few non-Quebeckers ever pronounce the name to begin with. Ardiere ( talk) 05:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
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Under the Structure section, it says: The party's statutes call for it to be represented by a male and female co-spokesperson, one of whom serves in the dual role of party president. If one of the spokespeople is a member of the National Assembly, the other spokesperson remains outside of the legislature and holds the party presidency. While this is cited, it's obviously outdated information, since the party's current spokespeople are both MNAs and neither is the party president. Does anybody have any sources on when QS changed their leadership structure to allow this? A cursory look found nothing in English; perhaps there are some French-language sources? — Kawnhr ( talk) 21:16, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
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Note that the form in French is Québec solidaire, with the "s" lowercased, as per the usual rules. Québec Solidaire (capital "s") is acceptable when we are writing in English, as we do likewise for Bloc Québécois and so forth. - Montréalais 05:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Québec Solidaire aims to change the way politics are dealt with in Québec. By implementing participating democracy in the party's own structure and choosing a consensual approach (as opposed to a strict hierarchy), Québec Solidaire has a goal of redefining politicians and give a more important voice to the people in the province's political scene.
Québec Solidaire also advocates a proportional vote in Québec wich would enrich democracy by allowing entry of smaller partys and an equal representation of women and minorities onthe political scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.61.96.73 ( talk • contribs)
I'm reverting your edits, anonymous. I think it's clear that you're deliberately trying to slant this article to emphasize that QS is extremist, marginal, communistic, etc. Do read over the policy on presenting a neutral point of view. If you have anything useful to add as a corrective, on the other hand, please add it. For example, you'd be very welcome to add a section called "Criticism of QS" reporting any sort of allegations or criticisms that may be out there.
One of your edits was justified with the statement The party itself advocates that it contains socialist and communist forces and several statement in the article contains reference to it. It therefore make sense to include them in those categories. The first sentence, if I understand it right, is incorrect. Certainly there are socialists and communists within the QS. But the party does not advocate socialism or communism, as such. Quartier Latin1968 16:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not criticizing their point of view.
I think we may disagree but it is not correct on a neutral web page to present this party in an other form than a marginal party in Quebec. No poll showed a real intention of voters to support this party and on the last election, UFP got 1.76% on average where it presented a candidate. It is not a question on wether you agree or disagree with their political platform, it is a question of using a neutral vocabulary for a party that gets marginal support from the population.
Maybe the term far left would be most appropriate to describe where this party stand on Quebec political spectrum. But I don't think it is neutral to speculate on their future outcome. The Gazette, for example, used a more critical language than the canadian press article that is cited.
I think that if this page is to be neutral, it should be presented as it is, a marginal party to the left of the Parti Quebecois. Even if in Francoise David's term, the Parti Quebecois is a right wing party, the Parti Quebecois defines itself has a left wing social democrat party and got the support from more than 30% of the population at the last election. QS should therefore be presented as a party to the left of Quebec's historical left wing party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.239.168 ( talk • contribs)
I think the name should be "Québec solidaire", as the official name presented on the party's website is consistently spelled in this way. -- saforrest 01:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I scratched the entry at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Non-controversial_proposals; I don't think it's "uncontroversial", and this talk page shows a debate. Please relist as a regular entry in WP:RM if you want to pursue the matter. Duja 09:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, better late than never. The NC that covers the issue is WP:CAPS#Capitalization of expressions borrowed from other languages. I'm moving the page. Duja ► 07:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that there really ought to be a link to Gauche Socialiste. It already has its own page and refers to it as being a component of Quebec Solidaire. Rmalhotr 22:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Internal factions of the party are anti-capitalist and Trotskyist, hence far-left. In ideology, ``Left-wing to Far-Left`` is accurate, as some factions are more radical than others. A party that has a Trotskyism sub-faction cannot be labeled merely ``left-wing``. And the 2006 discussion is outdated, 8 years ago. --- 70.29.236.90 ( talk) 01:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Sorry if this is irritatingly noobish, but I was wondering about the standard French pronunciation given. Within Québec, I seldom hear even bilingual anglophones or Metropolitan transplants calling the party anything but [ke.bɛk sɔ.li.daɛ̯ʁ] with the diphthongized short vowel (presumably because of the party's strain of nationalism). I know that there isn't an official standard of French pronunciation in Québec the way there is for American English, but giving the more International pronunciation seems misleading inasmuch as few non-Quebeckers ever pronounce the name to begin with. Ardiere ( talk) 05:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
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Under the Structure section, it says: The party's statutes call for it to be represented by a male and female co-spokesperson, one of whom serves in the dual role of party president. If one of the spokespeople is a member of the National Assembly, the other spokesperson remains outside of the legislature and holds the party presidency. While this is cited, it's obviously outdated information, since the party's current spokespeople are both MNAs and neither is the party president. Does anybody have any sources on when QS changed their leadership structure to allow this? A cursory look found nothing in English; perhaps there are some French-language sources? — Kawnhr ( talk) 21:16, 7 October 2018 (UTC)