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This article rewrites the pre-PRC history of today's PRC province Qinghai from the PRC viewpoint. This is not neutral. Please help to improve the article by comparing it to the article Amdo, which displays the history of this region from a more neutral perspective. Before the PRC took over sovereignty in approx. 1955, this region was Tibetan, although it was constantly challenged by Mongols, in Qing dynasty by Manchu and finally by warlords, sometimes claiming to represent the Republic of China. However, under Yuan and Qing dynasty, under Mongol and Manchu supremacy, both, Mongols and Manchu had a "priest and patron" agreement with the Dalai Lama, recognizing his supremacy in religious issues. Also due to the prevailing Tibetan dialect spoken there, it should be seen as Tibetan during most of historical times, not part of China proper. This has changed only after 1955, and extremely in 2000, when the railway was opened and Han-Chinese settlers soon outnumbered the Tibetan and other ethnic groups. Therefore, this region has a primarily Tibetan history. Helpful for improving this article and making it consistent with the article Amdo are the following resources:
I can only help with a few corrections and will indicate the sources, however there seems to be a major effort necessary and I hope for your support. Please state your view here, too. --Admini Max 05:13, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
How can Xining population be 5.6 millions and Qinghai total population 5.29 millions?
I find the text in that section largely inappropriate for an encyclopedia. It reads like it was copied straight out of a tour book. Please, change or cut down in length. Awolf002 11:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
The link to the provincial government was down and I could not find a replacement so I removed it from the page and have place it here.
leatherbear 17:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Qinghai/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
This article has good structure, but every section needs to be expanded. -- Danaman5 07:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 07:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 15:36, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
My impression was that Qinghai was controlled by Khoshuud (and maybe some Zuungar) Mongols, not Tibetans, immediatly before 1724. Any takers? Yaan ( talk) 09:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that the claim made that Qinghai was "vital" to the European Reformation and Renaissance (allegedly by transporting compasses and printing presses on the Silk Road) is dubious at best. As far as I am aware, Gutenberg independently invented the printing press. That, and the Silk Road (which was largely a shadow of its former self in the 16th century) mostly ran through Gansu and Ningxia, not Qinghai (which anyway was a part of Tibet at the time). I recommend to have this sentence deleted, unless some credible sources can be cited. This line sounds like either original research, or propaganda from a local department of tourism. Konchevnik81 ( talk) 19:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC) √—in the 10 th century period of the northern song dynasty ,government opened up the“qinghai way“to steer clear of western xia territory, which then become a new trade route. Tianshui ,Xining ,V initiate city ,and the middle piece of sol garage basin were all on the silk road. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Standing72 ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
This article rewrites the pre-PRC history of today's PRC province Qinghai from the PRC viewpoint. This is not neutral. Please help to improve the article by comparing it to the article Amdo, which displays the history of this region from a more neutral perspective. Before the PRC took over sovereignty in approx. 1955, this region was Tibetan, although it was constantly challenged by Mongols, in Qing dynasty by Manchu and finally by warlords, sometimes claiming to represent the Republic of China. However, under Yuan and Qing dynasty, under Mongol and Manchu supremacy, both, Mongols and Manchu had a "priest and patron" agreement with the Dalai Lama, recognizing his supremacy in religious issues. Also due to the prevailing Tibetan dialect spoken there, it should be seen as Tibetan during most of historical times, not part of China proper. This has changed only after 1955, and extremely in 2000, when the railway was opened and Han-Chinese settlers soon outnumbered the Tibetan and other ethnic groups. Therefore, this region has a primarily Tibetan history. Helpful for improving this article and making it consistent with the article Amdo are the following resources:
I can only help with a few corrections and will indicate the sources, however there seems to be a major effort necessary and I hope for your support. Please state your view here, too. --Admini Max 05:13, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
How can Xining population be 5.6 millions and Qinghai total population 5.29 millions?
I find the text in that section largely inappropriate for an encyclopedia. It reads like it was copied straight out of a tour book. Please, change or cut down in length. Awolf002 11:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
The link to the provincial government was down and I could not find a replacement so I removed it from the page and have place it here.
leatherbear 17:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Qinghai/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
This article has good structure, but every section needs to be expanded. -- Danaman5 07:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 07:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 15:36, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
My impression was that Qinghai was controlled by Khoshuud (and maybe some Zuungar) Mongols, not Tibetans, immediatly before 1724. Any takers? Yaan ( talk) 09:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that the claim made that Qinghai was "vital" to the European Reformation and Renaissance (allegedly by transporting compasses and printing presses on the Silk Road) is dubious at best. As far as I am aware, Gutenberg independently invented the printing press. That, and the Silk Road (which was largely a shadow of its former self in the 16th century) mostly ran through Gansu and Ningxia, not Qinghai (which anyway was a part of Tibet at the time). I recommend to have this sentence deleted, unless some credible sources can be cited. This line sounds like either original research, or propaganda from a local department of tourism. Konchevnik81 ( talk) 19:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC) √—in the 10 th century period of the northern song dynasty ,government opened up the“qinghai way“to steer clear of western xia territory, which then become a new trade route. Tianshui ,Xining ,V initiate city ,and the middle piece of sol garage basin were all on the silk road. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Standing72 ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 11 October 2011 (UTC)