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2001:4451:8285:B00:9180:5873:29D0:FDF9 ( talk) 04:14, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Zheltuga Republic was not a successor of the Qing dynasty. It was simply a short-lived proto-state established by some Russian and Chinese gold miners in the Amur river basin, and then crushed by the Qing forces. Source: [1] Likewise, other regimes such as the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom (as established by revolt leaders) were not considered successors of the Qing dynasty either. -- Wengier ( talk) 23:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Am I the only one who is confused why this page is extended-protected? It doesn't seem like a controversial enough topic for the designation. Other Wikipedia pages that are arguably far more controversial; Mao Zedong, Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping; all are only semi-protected. Should this page be changed to semi-protected as well? As the topic reads I think that designating this page as extended-protected seems like a bit much. 141.155.35.58 ( talk) 01:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
As the sources given in the article (such as this) have already showed, historians usually date the Qing dynasty started in 1644 (at least for historiography purposes), even though Hong Taiji had proclaimed the dynasty in 1636. For example, in the book "China's Last Empire - the Great Qing" (final volume of the "History of Imperial China" series published by the Harvard University Press), the "Emperors and Dynasties" section clearly lists that the Qing dynasty spans from 1644-1912 in page 292, even though it does list Hong Taiji as an emperor of the Great Qing in page 291. Similarly, historians usually consider the Qin dynasty started in 221 BC, even though the Qin state itself was established much earlier than this. -- Wengier ( talk) 18:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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How come the pre-1644 history of the dynasty is almost gone and neglected from the brief lead??
The fact is that the Qing empire was emerged from a Jurchen Khanate of later Jin established in Manchuria (including modern Northeast China and Outer Manchuria), which had been its own realm and proclaimed as an imperial dynasty much earlier before the capture of Beijing . 1644 was merely the dynasty first entered to the traditional Han Chinese dominions (入主中国 or traditionally 从龙入关), before that it had conquered several territories such as Mongol khanates in eastern Inner Mongolia and Joseon of Korea outside of Manchuria as an independent state. It's totally misinformed to just cut off the period of emergence before 1644 which is significant to remark the dynasty's origin and began it in 1644.
If this theory of Qing started its rule in 1644, how the first emperor of Qing Hong Taiji should be defined when he never entered Beijing and established his rule in China? Does the wikipedia regard the Qing dynasty between 1636 and 1644 as non-existence in history or separate nation? Sheherherhers ( talk) 02:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Qing dynasty , officially the Great Qing, was a Manchu-led
conquest dynasty of China and the last imperial dynasty in Chinese history. The dynasty was emerged from the
Jurchen-led
Later Jin dynasty established in
Manchuria (present-day
Northeast China and
Outer Manchuria). It subsequently proclaimed as an empire in Shenyang in 1636, seized control of Beijing in 1644, which is considered the start of the dynasty's rule in China. The dynasty lasted until 1912, when it was overthrown in the Xinhai Revolution...
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Why is there very little information in this article about the structure of the government of the late Qing dynasty? There should be more information about:
If I am asked I can write some drafts with sources for incorporation into the article. I simply would like to have more information about these topics included in the page, as the government section seems to only describe the Qing government from the 17th to 19th centuries. 142.117.70.0 ( talk) 22:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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The 10 Great Campaigns actually started in 1747 with the first campaign of Jinchuan and the Dzungar-Qing wars ended in 1758.
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KielYam1212 ( talk) 15:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
How is it wrong to mention buddhism as a "Dynastic religion" or the religion "Followed by the emperors" when we see several Qing emperors following the religion? Also i see nowhere in the cited sources which specifically states confucianism is the official religion alone of Qing empire. Malik-Al-Hind ( talk) 12:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Moreover if Confucianism wasn't the official religion, can I fix the infobox then? It will do nothing except for confusing the readers. Malik-Al-Hind ( talk) 13:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Why can't we mention buddhism as a dynastic religion or a religion followed by the emperors when so many Qing Emperors followed it?
The result of the move request was: not moved. Per WP:SNOW, and having the banner stick around on all these pages would be unduly disruptive. Please take some time to read our naming conventions policy. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Remsense 诉 16:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
– Can we have the historical Chinese dynasties and polities to include the suffix "China" just as with Iran like "Qajar Iran". Many sources like the Straits Times uses the name for example. Support or Oppose if this or does not conform the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Silence of Lambs ( talk) 15:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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2001:4451:8285:B00:9180:5873:29D0:FDF9 ( talk) 04:14, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Zheltuga Republic was not a successor of the Qing dynasty. It was simply a short-lived proto-state established by some Russian and Chinese gold miners in the Amur river basin, and then crushed by the Qing forces. Source: [1] Likewise, other regimes such as the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom (as established by revolt leaders) were not considered successors of the Qing dynasty either. -- Wengier ( talk) 23:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Am I the only one who is confused why this page is extended-protected? It doesn't seem like a controversial enough topic for the designation. Other Wikipedia pages that are arguably far more controversial; Mao Zedong, Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping; all are only semi-protected. Should this page be changed to semi-protected as well? As the topic reads I think that designating this page as extended-protected seems like a bit much. 141.155.35.58 ( talk) 01:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
As the sources given in the article (such as this) have already showed, historians usually date the Qing dynasty started in 1644 (at least for historiography purposes), even though Hong Taiji had proclaimed the dynasty in 1636. For example, in the book "China's Last Empire - the Great Qing" (final volume of the "History of Imperial China" series published by the Harvard University Press), the "Emperors and Dynasties" section clearly lists that the Qing dynasty spans from 1644-1912 in page 292, even though it does list Hong Taiji as an emperor of the Great Qing in page 291. Similarly, historians usually consider the Qin dynasty started in 221 BC, even though the Qin state itself was established much earlier than this. -- Wengier ( talk) 18:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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How come the pre-1644 history of the dynasty is almost gone and neglected from the brief lead??
The fact is that the Qing empire was emerged from a Jurchen Khanate of later Jin established in Manchuria (including modern Northeast China and Outer Manchuria), which had been its own realm and proclaimed as an imperial dynasty much earlier before the capture of Beijing . 1644 was merely the dynasty first entered to the traditional Han Chinese dominions (入主中国 or traditionally 从龙入关), before that it had conquered several territories such as Mongol khanates in eastern Inner Mongolia and Joseon of Korea outside of Manchuria as an independent state. It's totally misinformed to just cut off the period of emergence before 1644 which is significant to remark the dynasty's origin and began it in 1644.
If this theory of Qing started its rule in 1644, how the first emperor of Qing Hong Taiji should be defined when he never entered Beijing and established his rule in China? Does the wikipedia regard the Qing dynasty between 1636 and 1644 as non-existence in history or separate nation? Sheherherhers ( talk) 02:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
'''[[
User:CanonNi]]'''
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talk|
contribs)
02:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
My suggested revision as follows:
The Qing dynasty , officially the Great Qing, was a Manchu-led
conquest dynasty of China and the last imperial dynasty in Chinese history. The dynasty was emerged from the
Jurchen-led
Later Jin dynasty established in
Manchuria (present-day
Northeast China and
Outer Manchuria). It subsequently proclaimed as an empire in Shenyang in 1636, seized control of Beijing in 1644, which is considered the start of the dynasty's rule in China. The dynasty lasted until 1912, when it was overthrown in the Xinhai Revolution...
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Why is there very little information in this article about the structure of the government of the late Qing dynasty? There should be more information about:
If I am asked I can write some drafts with sources for incorporation into the article. I simply would like to have more information about these topics included in the page, as the government section seems to only describe the Qing government from the 17th to 19th centuries. 142.117.70.0 ( talk) 22:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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The 10 Great Campaigns actually started in 1747 with the first campaign of Jinchuan and the Dzungar-Qing wars ended in 1758.
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KielYam1212 ( talk) 15:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
How is it wrong to mention buddhism as a "Dynastic religion" or the religion "Followed by the emperors" when we see several Qing emperors following the religion? Also i see nowhere in the cited sources which specifically states confucianism is the official religion alone of Qing empire. Malik-Al-Hind ( talk) 12:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Moreover if Confucianism wasn't the official religion, can I fix the infobox then? It will do nothing except for confusing the readers. Malik-Al-Hind ( talk) 13:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Why can't we mention buddhism as a dynastic religion or a religion followed by the emperors when so many Qing Emperors followed it?
The result of the move request was: not moved. Per WP:SNOW, and having the banner stick around on all these pages would be unduly disruptive. Please take some time to read our naming conventions policy. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Remsense 诉 16:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
– Can we have the historical Chinese dynasties and polities to include the suffix "China" just as with Iran like "Qajar Iran". Many sources like the Straits Times uses the name for example. Support or Oppose if this or does not conform the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Silence of Lambs ( talk) 15:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Cite error: There are <ref group=lower-alpha>
tags or {{efn}}
templates on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}}
template or {{notelist}}
template (see the
help page).