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I noticed that the frequent flyer section really reads like a travel guide or advertisement and it goes into too much detail about the benefits of certain levels of the program. I suggest we delete the table and just summarize the stuff that was in it. In my opinion the whole section should be viewable without having to scroll up and down the page. — Compdude123 ( talk) 05:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
There has been a recent discrepancy among many editors as to whether QANTAS is an acronym or an initialism. As per Wiktionary, an initialism is “A term formed from the initial letter or letters of several words or parts of words, but which is itself pronounced letter by letter”, while an acronym is “An abbreviation formed by (usually initial) letters taken from a word or series of words, that is itself pronounced as a word, such as RAM, radar, or scuba; sometimes contrasted with initialism”. That said, QANTAS is clearly an acronym. I therefore apologise for my reverts.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 21:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
The section on industrial action here seems to be rather biased in favour of Qantas management.
[1] Qantas is painted as an airline with declining profits which is only kept "afloat" (should be "aloft") by a few routes. This neglects the fact that prior to the grounding, Qantas' profits had steadily improved since the GFC. Qantas' profits are projected to go down in 2011/12, but by almost exactly the same amount as their grounding has cost the airline and even so it is still operating at a profit. [2] The workers' wishes seem to be painted as unreasonable by notes about their 'demands' and the addition of talk about bonuses and perks. One could more easily, simply and accurately note that workers at current levels stand to see a decline in real wages and don't see this as acceptable (wage rises and CPI are both given in the article anyhow). [3] Concerns over losing the Australian character of the airline - and particularly Australian jobs being outsourced - were also at the heart of the dispute, but this isn't mentioned even in this short section.
The extreme nature of Qantas' grounding, allegations that it had been pre-prepared and was implemented cynically and the immediate context (the Qantas AGM, Joyce's bonus) could easily be included in this section as well, although since there is a whole page on the IR dispute, this probably isn't necessary. In any case, making the selection of facts presented in this section more neutral is needed.
Mxmlitvinov ( talk) 06:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
We currently have this event mentioned in 2 places on the page. Under "Company affairs and identity" at Qantas#Labour row grounding and under "Airline incidents" at Qantas#2011 industrial unrest and grounding of fleet. Just FYI. The 2nd mention was AFAIK put in after the other, but is a better update IMHO. 220.101.30 talk \edits (aka 220.101) 19:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Please read page 5259 of hansard federal parliment of australia records http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/dailys/ds230811.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malbeare ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
QANTAS' new meaning stands for:
Queens And Nomads Together Australia Survives — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.33.152.243 ( talk) 03:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
An addition has been made under this heading describing the recently highlighted policy of moving men away from unaccompanied children as Reverse discrimination. Firstly, it's simply not reverse discrimination. It's just discrimination, if anything. (Or maybe just plain dumb.) Secondly, under a heading like that we should be describing the whole policy on unaccompanied children (how the airline manages them overall, etc), not just a recent drama. I have removed the entry. Happy to see something better worded and titled included in the article. HiLo48 ( talk) 17:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Gun Powder Ma ( talk) 18:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Guys, calm down. I don't see why this has to be a big deal. Take a break. Personally I think that even having a section on sex discrimination controversy is just like focusing on a minor disagreement. Don't turn this article into another Ryanair, where every little controversy is covered down to the finest detail. — Comp dude 123 19:01, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I have merged the history of qantas article with the main article as the history section required expansion and a separate article had all the details needed for the main article. Printpost ( talk) 12:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Heads up: Qantas says it will cancel its firm order for 35 Boeing 787-9 aircraft, representing an $US8.5 billion ($A8.12 billion) reduction in capital expenditure at list prices. [1] -- Pete ( talk) 23:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I was just wondering whether this article should list the current ambassadors or at least mention that John Travolta is a Qantas ambassador, as he appears in their inflight safety video, I don't believe we need create a whole new section for it, as that would be preposterous, however perhaps adding that to the main introductory paragraph? Suggestions anyone? I can confirm this is true through the Qantas website as it talks about his 'love affair' after discovering Qantas at a young age. Please can we raise this for discussion? Thanks. John.dinsdale ( talk) 08:11, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was thinking, but unless we make a section for 'Key People' there is not much point in creating a whole new section for a few Qantas ambassadors. What do you think? John.dinsdale ( talk) 12:05, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a new slogan as stated on qantas.com/you. Should we change it? ABXInferno —Preceding undated comment added 10:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
This isn't a new slogan, the slogan is still The Spirit of Australians. This is just a campaign phrase, that is being used in television commercials and print. I live in Australia, and I know for fact that Qantas still employs The Spirit of Australians on their aircraft livery, logo and documents. This is simply a new campaign. John.dinsdale ( talk) 13:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted LibStar's removal of the logo. It has been here a long long time, he needs to discuss why it shouldn't be here any longer. His personal assessment that it adds "little value" is insufficient. Fry1989 eh? 04:08, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
This section contains a pretty much useless list. Any thoughts about removing it please? -- JetBlast ( talk) 18:08, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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Should we put in the intro that it's common name is QANTAS? What about the fact that it's pretty much always stylized as QANTAS? Also, should the name above the infobox be just "QANTAS" on it own? (Ok, I was bored, so what ya gonna do about it hmm!? lol) AnimatedZebra ( talk) 17:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Sorry i misread your last comment i agree with you -- JetBlast ( talk) 12:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
In the intro it says it's the second oldest in the world and links to List of airlines by foundation date. However in the list, I can find two operating airlines, KLM and Avianca, which were established earlier than Qantas, making Qantas the third oldest operating airline.-- Quest for Truth ( talk) 14:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
“ | Qantas is the second-oldest airline in the world, has its main hub in Sydney... | ” |
Looking at the CASA reference, it shows eight 734s registered to Qantas - as per our table. -- Pete ( talk) 08:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Many news reports have indicated that the entire fleet has been retired from service. http://australianaviation.com.au/2014/02/end-of-an-era-as-qantas-retires-the-737-classic/ Bilbobagginsflyer ( talk) 11:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
In case this video is discussed in a source, I have it archived WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
According to The Daily Mail (and many other news websites), the B767 will be retired by 27 December 2014, earlier than previously announced. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762273/Final-boarding-call-Where-Qantass-Boeing-767s-die.html Can someone change this on the wiki page, since the page is semi-protected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.27.33.216 ( talk) 15:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
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As far as I can ascertain these need updating however I'm having trouble finding documentation on the hubs, I'd consider that the Qantas hubs are as follows but would like this discuss before it is updated as I can only base this off interactive route maps.
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In the 1970s a new A$50 million headquarters, consisting of twin skyscrapers, was being built in Sydney and expected to take one city block. The first and largest tower had an expected completion time in 1973.
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I think there needs to be a picture of the new Qantas logo and livery. And also the title at the top of the info box says QANTAS, but it's actually Qantas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AWwikipedia ( talk • contribs) 07:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Relative newcomer to Wikipedia editing here... Have a few thoughts about this article. It's a shame this article has had a "cleanup" tag on it since 2014, although having read it I can kind of see why. I'm happy to spend some time on the article, re-writing parts of it and finding sources, although that'd be time wasted if its all just reverted :) Hence putting this out there for to see if there is any strong opinions either way first :)
I've spent some time looking around other airline articles. It seems the Qantas article is a little 'out of sync' in places.
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Some observations. Is it just me?
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Does anyone else have any further info on any of these particulars? -- Nickw25 ( talk) 01:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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Should I add Richard Champion dè Crespigny in the Notable People tab of Qantas, as he IS the man who safely brought Qantas's first A380, to ground. PratyakshM ( talk) 04:41, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Which website is a reliable source of fleet size? Reference number 93 94 can’t see the fleet size number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.216.130.150 ( talk • contribs) 29 September 2017 (UTC)
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As brand ambassador, or as operator of the last Qantas 707 in service, why is there no reference to this? -- Orestes1984 ( talk) 18:53, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
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Some other pages in wikipedia have got a table regarding the airline's special liveries. [2] I was thinking of adding a table relating Qantas's 5 aircraft with special livery, however there are already a large number of paragraphs on this subject. Is an extra table necessary?
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I was asked to move this into talk for discussion by MilborneOne with the comment "looks a bit over the top - images far to big and the section unbalances the whole article per WP:WEIGHT - perhaps take to talk to see if it is noteworthy and id it is could be done better"
The following is a lightly edited version of the livery/logo history section I had added as Old revision of Qantas. I'd rather not lose the work, if possible. I believe that at least six images are required to show the evolution of the livery (1959, 1961, 1971, 1984, 2007, 2016) and earlier ones could be included as well (the livery on VH-EAG, for instance, is a close analog to the early Super Constellation livery, down to the tail logos). I believe the evolution of the livery is appropriate for a section entitled "Livery", but as suggested, have brought it over to talk for noteworthiness, inclusion, and/or possible relocation (perhaps History of Qantas?).
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The Qantas kangaroo logo made its first appearance in 1944, painted on a Liberator to celebrate the renaming of the Indian Ocean Route to "Kangaroo Service". The design was adapted from the design on the reverse side of the contemporary one-penny coin. [1] To better suit its airborne nature, the wings were added to the kangaroo in 1947 by Gert Sellheim [2] and it was painted on the tail of the Lockheed Super Constellations in 1954. [1] These Super Constellations used a predominantly white livery with a red "belt" at the passenger window line.
In 1959, Qantas was the first airline outside the United States to receive the new Boeing 707 jet aircraft, [3] making its inaugural flight from Sydney to San Francisco on 29 July 1959. [1] The aircraft of the initial 707 fleet were painted with white tailfins marked with the red "flying kangaroo" logo and the Qantas wordmark. [1] [4] Qantas later purchased the 707-138B variant with turbofan engines in 1961; these were prominently painted with red tailfins marked with the words "V-Jet" ("V" standing for the Latin word vannus, meaning fan). [3] [4] In 1998, actor John Travolta acquired one of the 707-138Bs originally delivered to Qantas in 1961, had it repainted in the V-Jet livery in 2002, and donated it to the Historical Aircraft Restoration Society. [5]
To mark the arrival of the new 747 in 1971, the flying kangaroo logo was made the dominant tailfin element and the passenger window "belt" color was changed to ochre. [1] [4]
The livery was updated again in 1984 preceding the launch of Boeing 767 service for Qantas in 1985. The flying kangaroo on the tail lost its wings and the colored "belt" was dropped, but the tailfin color now extended onto the fuselage. [1] Hans Hulsbosch worked on the 1984 logo update, and proposed the strapline "Spirit of Australia", which had previously been used in marketing materials, should be added to the exterior markings. [2]
The next major revision occurred in 2007, bringing a "polished, contoured Flying Kangaroo". [1] The 2007 revision was carried out by Hulsbosch Communications, leading a creative team that included input from Peter Morrissey, Neil Perry, and Marc Newson. [2] The revision also included an exclusive typeface to match the new kangaroo and was first deployed on a 767, ahead of the launch of Airbus 380 service. Qantas Exective General Manager John Borghetti stated "the differences are subtle but distinctive ... our new flying kangaroo is sleeker and more contoured than the current version - a modern take on a design that has stood the test of time." [6] [7] The kangaroo's feet were carried forward to avoid the illusion that they had been cut off by the aircraft's wings, and the wing/tail was brought back to give it a more dynamic, in-flight look. [2]
In 2016, a new livery with an updated kangaroo logo and exclusive typography designed by Marc Newson in partnership with Houston Group [8] [9] was unveiled on an Airbus A330-300 in preparation for the delivery of the first Boeing 787 for Qantas. [10] According to Newson, a silver band was added "to give a more premium feel" and the typography was "carefully streamlined". The Qantas wordmark was added to the belly to enhance visual recognition from the group. [8] The tail kangaroo was made significantly more abstract, losing its arms and having a simplified head. [11] The winged kangaroo of 1947 was also reapplied to the nose. [12]
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I noticed that the frequent flyer section really reads like a travel guide or advertisement and it goes into too much detail about the benefits of certain levels of the program. I suggest we delete the table and just summarize the stuff that was in it. In my opinion the whole section should be viewable without having to scroll up and down the page. — Compdude123 ( talk) 05:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
There has been a recent discrepancy among many editors as to whether QANTAS is an acronym or an initialism. As per Wiktionary, an initialism is “A term formed from the initial letter or letters of several words or parts of words, but which is itself pronounced letter by letter”, while an acronym is “An abbreviation formed by (usually initial) letters taken from a word or series of words, that is itself pronounced as a word, such as RAM, radar, or scuba; sometimes contrasted with initialism”. That said, QANTAS is clearly an acronym. I therefore apologise for my reverts.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 21:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
The section on industrial action here seems to be rather biased in favour of Qantas management.
[1] Qantas is painted as an airline with declining profits which is only kept "afloat" (should be "aloft") by a few routes. This neglects the fact that prior to the grounding, Qantas' profits had steadily improved since the GFC. Qantas' profits are projected to go down in 2011/12, but by almost exactly the same amount as their grounding has cost the airline and even so it is still operating at a profit. [2] The workers' wishes seem to be painted as unreasonable by notes about their 'demands' and the addition of talk about bonuses and perks. One could more easily, simply and accurately note that workers at current levels stand to see a decline in real wages and don't see this as acceptable (wage rises and CPI are both given in the article anyhow). [3] Concerns over losing the Australian character of the airline - and particularly Australian jobs being outsourced - were also at the heart of the dispute, but this isn't mentioned even in this short section.
The extreme nature of Qantas' grounding, allegations that it had been pre-prepared and was implemented cynically and the immediate context (the Qantas AGM, Joyce's bonus) could easily be included in this section as well, although since there is a whole page on the IR dispute, this probably isn't necessary. In any case, making the selection of facts presented in this section more neutral is needed.
Mxmlitvinov ( talk) 06:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
We currently have this event mentioned in 2 places on the page. Under "Company affairs and identity" at Qantas#Labour row grounding and under "Airline incidents" at Qantas#2011 industrial unrest and grounding of fleet. Just FYI. The 2nd mention was AFAIK put in after the other, but is a better update IMHO. 220.101.30 talk \edits (aka 220.101) 19:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Please read page 5259 of hansard federal parliment of australia records http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/dailys/ds230811.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malbeare ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
QANTAS' new meaning stands for:
Queens And Nomads Together Australia Survives — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.33.152.243 ( talk) 03:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
An addition has been made under this heading describing the recently highlighted policy of moving men away from unaccompanied children as Reverse discrimination. Firstly, it's simply not reverse discrimination. It's just discrimination, if anything. (Or maybe just plain dumb.) Secondly, under a heading like that we should be describing the whole policy on unaccompanied children (how the airline manages them overall, etc), not just a recent drama. I have removed the entry. Happy to see something better worded and titled included in the article. HiLo48 ( talk) 17:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Gun Powder Ma ( talk) 18:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Guys, calm down. I don't see why this has to be a big deal. Take a break. Personally I think that even having a section on sex discrimination controversy is just like focusing on a minor disagreement. Don't turn this article into another Ryanair, where every little controversy is covered down to the finest detail. — Comp dude 123 19:01, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I have merged the history of qantas article with the main article as the history section required expansion and a separate article had all the details needed for the main article. Printpost ( talk) 12:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Heads up: Qantas says it will cancel its firm order for 35 Boeing 787-9 aircraft, representing an $US8.5 billion ($A8.12 billion) reduction in capital expenditure at list prices. [1] -- Pete ( talk) 23:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I was just wondering whether this article should list the current ambassadors or at least mention that John Travolta is a Qantas ambassador, as he appears in their inflight safety video, I don't believe we need create a whole new section for it, as that would be preposterous, however perhaps adding that to the main introductory paragraph? Suggestions anyone? I can confirm this is true through the Qantas website as it talks about his 'love affair' after discovering Qantas at a young age. Please can we raise this for discussion? Thanks. John.dinsdale ( talk) 08:11, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was thinking, but unless we make a section for 'Key People' there is not much point in creating a whole new section for a few Qantas ambassadors. What do you think? John.dinsdale ( talk) 12:05, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a new slogan as stated on qantas.com/you. Should we change it? ABXInferno —Preceding undated comment added 10:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
This isn't a new slogan, the slogan is still The Spirit of Australians. This is just a campaign phrase, that is being used in television commercials and print. I live in Australia, and I know for fact that Qantas still employs The Spirit of Australians on their aircraft livery, logo and documents. This is simply a new campaign. John.dinsdale ( talk) 13:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted LibStar's removal of the logo. It has been here a long long time, he needs to discuss why it shouldn't be here any longer. His personal assessment that it adds "little value" is insufficient. Fry1989 eh? 04:08, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
This section contains a pretty much useless list. Any thoughts about removing it please? -- JetBlast ( talk) 18:08, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
-- Jetstreamer Talk 12:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Should we put in the intro that it's common name is QANTAS? What about the fact that it's pretty much always stylized as QANTAS? Also, should the name above the infobox be just "QANTAS" on it own? (Ok, I was bored, so what ya gonna do about it hmm!? lol) AnimatedZebra ( talk) 17:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Sorry i misread your last comment i agree with you -- JetBlast ( talk) 12:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
In the intro it says it's the second oldest in the world and links to List of airlines by foundation date. However in the list, I can find two operating airlines, KLM and Avianca, which were established earlier than Qantas, making Qantas the third oldest operating airline.-- Quest for Truth ( talk) 14:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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Looking at the CASA reference, it shows eight 734s registered to Qantas - as per our table. -- Pete ( talk) 08:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Many news reports have indicated that the entire fleet has been retired from service. http://australianaviation.com.au/2014/02/end-of-an-era-as-qantas-retires-the-737-classic/ Bilbobagginsflyer ( talk) 11:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
In case this video is discussed in a source, I have it archived WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
According to The Daily Mail (and many other news websites), the B767 will be retired by 27 December 2014, earlier than previously announced. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762273/Final-boarding-call-Where-Qantass-Boeing-767s-die.html Can someone change this on the wiki page, since the page is semi-protected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.27.33.216 ( talk) 15:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
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As far as I can ascertain these need updating however I'm having trouble finding documentation on the hubs, I'd consider that the Qantas hubs are as follows but would like this discuss before it is updated as I can only base this off interactive route maps.
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In the 1970s a new A$50 million headquarters, consisting of twin skyscrapers, was being built in Sydney and expected to take one city block. The first and largest tower had an expected completion time in 1973.
Do we have any news on this exciting new development? -- Pete ( talk) 02:30, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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I think there needs to be a picture of the new Qantas logo and livery. And also the title at the top of the info box says QANTAS, but it's actually Qantas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AWwikipedia ( talk • contribs) 07:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Relative newcomer to Wikipedia editing here... Have a few thoughts about this article. It's a shame this article has had a "cleanup" tag on it since 2014, although having read it I can kind of see why. I'm happy to spend some time on the article, re-writing parts of it and finding sources, although that'd be time wasted if its all just reverted :) Hence putting this out there for to see if there is any strong opinions either way first :)
I've spent some time looking around other airline articles. It seems the Qantas article is a little 'out of sync' in places.
Some possible changes:
Some observations. Is it just me?
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Does anyone else have any further info on any of these particulars? -- Nickw25 ( talk) 01:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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Should I add Richard Champion dè Crespigny in the Notable People tab of Qantas, as he IS the man who safely brought Qantas's first A380, to ground. PratyakshM ( talk) 04:41, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Which website is a reliable source of fleet size? Reference number 93 94 can’t see the fleet size number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.216.130.150 ( talk • contribs) 29 September 2017 (UTC)
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As brand ambassador, or as operator of the last Qantas 707 in service, why is there no reference to this? -- Orestes1984 ( talk) 18:53, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
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Some other pages in wikipedia have got a table regarding the airline's special liveries. [2] I was thinking of adding a table relating Qantas's 5 aircraft with special livery, however there are already a large number of paragraphs on this subject. Is an extra table necessary?
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I was asked to move this into talk for discussion by MilborneOne with the comment "looks a bit over the top - images far to big and the section unbalances the whole article per WP:WEIGHT - perhaps take to talk to see if it is noteworthy and id it is could be done better"
The following is a lightly edited version of the livery/logo history section I had added as Old revision of Qantas. I'd rather not lose the work, if possible. I believe that at least six images are required to show the evolution of the livery (1959, 1961, 1971, 1984, 2007, 2016) and earlier ones could be included as well (the livery on VH-EAG, for instance, is a close analog to the early Super Constellation livery, down to the tail logos). I believe the evolution of the livery is appropriate for a section entitled "Livery", but as suggested, have brought it over to talk for noteworthiness, inclusion, and/or possible relocation (perhaps History of Qantas?).
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The Qantas kangaroo logo made its first appearance in 1944, painted on a Liberator to celebrate the renaming of the Indian Ocean Route to "Kangaroo Service". The design was adapted from the design on the reverse side of the contemporary one-penny coin. [1] To better suit its airborne nature, the wings were added to the kangaroo in 1947 by Gert Sellheim [2] and it was painted on the tail of the Lockheed Super Constellations in 1954. [1] These Super Constellations used a predominantly white livery with a red "belt" at the passenger window line.
In 1959, Qantas was the first airline outside the United States to receive the new Boeing 707 jet aircraft, [3] making its inaugural flight from Sydney to San Francisco on 29 July 1959. [1] The aircraft of the initial 707 fleet were painted with white tailfins marked with the red "flying kangaroo" logo and the Qantas wordmark. [1] [4] Qantas later purchased the 707-138B variant with turbofan engines in 1961; these were prominently painted with red tailfins marked with the words "V-Jet" ("V" standing for the Latin word vannus, meaning fan). [3] [4] In 1998, actor John Travolta acquired one of the 707-138Bs originally delivered to Qantas in 1961, had it repainted in the V-Jet livery in 2002, and donated it to the Historical Aircraft Restoration Society. [5]
To mark the arrival of the new 747 in 1971, the flying kangaroo logo was made the dominant tailfin element and the passenger window "belt" color was changed to ochre. [1] [4]
The livery was updated again in 1984 preceding the launch of Boeing 767 service for Qantas in 1985. The flying kangaroo on the tail lost its wings and the colored "belt" was dropped, but the tailfin color now extended onto the fuselage. [1] Hans Hulsbosch worked on the 1984 logo update, and proposed the strapline "Spirit of Australia", which had previously been used in marketing materials, should be added to the exterior markings. [2]
The next major revision occurred in 2007, bringing a "polished, contoured Flying Kangaroo". [1] The 2007 revision was carried out by Hulsbosch Communications, leading a creative team that included input from Peter Morrissey, Neil Perry, and Marc Newson. [2] The revision also included an exclusive typeface to match the new kangaroo and was first deployed on a 767, ahead of the launch of Airbus 380 service. Qantas Exective General Manager John Borghetti stated "the differences are subtle but distinctive ... our new flying kangaroo is sleeker and more contoured than the current version - a modern take on a design that has stood the test of time." [6] [7] The kangaroo's feet were carried forward to avoid the illusion that they had been cut off by the aircraft's wings, and the wing/tail was brought back to give it a more dynamic, in-flight look. [2]
In 2016, a new livery with an updated kangaroo logo and exclusive typography designed by Marc Newson in partnership with Houston Group [8] [9] was unveiled on an Airbus A330-300 in preparation for the delivery of the first Boeing 787 for Qantas. [10] According to Newson, a silver band was added "to give a more premium feel" and the typography was "carefully streamlined". The Qantas wordmark was added to the belly to enhance visual recognition from the group. [8] The tail kangaroo was made significantly more abstract, losing its arms and having a simplified head. [11] The winged kangaroo of 1947 was also reapplied to the nose. [12]
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