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Is it safe to say that the Roman conquest of Carthage and the Romanization of former Punic speakers is what led the language becoming extinct? If so, how many years or generations did it take from the time Rome conquered Carthage to the time Punic became a dead language? This article doesn't really clarify. 98.221.141.21 ( talk) 21:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
It's more like it continued to evolve in contact of other languages over time, and ended up giving today what is known as the Maghrebi Arabic dialects or languages ( Moroccan arabic, Algerian arabic, Tunisian Arabic, Malti and Libyan Arabic). This was quite foreseeable actually considering the multiple sources, about the way the people there speak and the relative deep propagation of punic among pre-islamic berbers and the survival of many punic town little or unromanised after Carthage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exacrion ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Closing discussion as stale, no clear consensus. -- Debate 木 07:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
If it was a separate language, then it should have its own separate page. But I agree that this article needs to be fleshed out; can anyone add anything more to it? Shanoman 15:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me, but what evidence is there that it was a different language, and not just an alternative name for a different dialect of the same language? FilipeS 15:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
We are endeavouring to add as much content as possible based in so far as we can on evidence from Punic sources rather than generalising on 'Canaanite' sources which are better documented through history. Purely Roman sources have to be treated with a degree of blue pencil for the obvious propoganda/political motives of their era. Most languages have developed from a dialect of an earlier tongue and whilst there can be little doubt that Punic was born of the antecedent Phoenician, prolonged contact with Tyre would seem far less likely than several hundred years direct development in north Africa. It is not to be forgotten that the very word we currently use to describe this language (PUNIC) has its origins in roman derogatory and is not even a 'punic' term.
lammech ibarcu 17:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC) lammech ibarcu 17:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
This page was kind of a mess. :( I cleaned it up, added some tags and links and generally made it at least look better. I don't really any information on the language itself to add, but at least it's nicer to see. :) Wilybadger 22:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It is tidier and more user friendly. Your contribution is appreciated 15:32, 13 September 2007 Barcaloner 15:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC) lammech ibarcu
The link to the film starring Vin Diesel to be released in 2008 has been temporarily removed (it would be better under the general Punic article). It has yet to be verified as using actual Punic conversation. This page really should concentrate on the language and not necessarily on historical figures and their exploits. 19:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC) lammech ibarcu
Lammech Ibarcu, you shouldn't keep putting your name on the actual page. You can put it into here like this Wilybadger 04:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC) but you shouldn't sign the article itself. Wilybadger 04:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
It is my (non-expert) understanding that virtually nothing is actually known of the Punic language (other than its relationship to Phoenician). This article appears to have very serious issues, and may indeed be mostly nonsense.-- Pharos ( talk) 03:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Article says:
!!! Did the Carthagines speak old Norse? It sounds exactly (except the names) like a rune stone inscriptiom and should mean:
where only "almighty" = "almattki" must be explained by some sound laws, such as ht > tt (right ~ rätt), and +ki as a fast-speach contraction of +igi, a masculine ending of ending counterparting English +ish such as in "red" ~ "reddish". Said: Rursus ☻ 13:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know about the origin of that inscription or where it was found. But i know that Carthaginians used to trade a lot with scandinavians and norsics in their time and that the fuutark is actually the punic alphabet, that the norsic assimilated for trade purpose. (thus its secret power). Some of them learnt punic for that same reason and it is not impossible that norsics where themeselve at some degree punicised, far before the Romans (or Catholics) came, a millenia latter. We can still found that the norsic languages are of the semitic languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exacrion ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Can anyone please take a look at my question at Talk:Wilhelm Gesenius?
Thanks in advance. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 17:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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i undid myself with regards to that Iterresise ( talk) 16:34, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
The claim that Punic was spoken during Saint Augustine's time is disputed and doesn't hold much water. It cannot be stated as a fact in the article. For now, I'm leaving here this source about the meaning of "Chenani" that was mentioned by Augustine and will add more sources later on. M.Bitton ( talk) 22:09, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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Is it safe to say that the Roman conquest of Carthage and the Romanization of former Punic speakers is what led the language becoming extinct? If so, how many years or generations did it take from the time Rome conquered Carthage to the time Punic became a dead language? This article doesn't really clarify. 98.221.141.21 ( talk) 21:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
It's more like it continued to evolve in contact of other languages over time, and ended up giving today what is known as the Maghrebi Arabic dialects or languages ( Moroccan arabic, Algerian arabic, Tunisian Arabic, Malti and Libyan Arabic). This was quite foreseeable actually considering the multiple sources, about the way the people there speak and the relative deep propagation of punic among pre-islamic berbers and the survival of many punic town little or unromanised after Carthage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exacrion ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Closing discussion as stale, no clear consensus. -- Debate 木 07:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
If it was a separate language, then it should have its own separate page. But I agree that this article needs to be fleshed out; can anyone add anything more to it? Shanoman 15:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me, but what evidence is there that it was a different language, and not just an alternative name for a different dialect of the same language? FilipeS 15:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
We are endeavouring to add as much content as possible based in so far as we can on evidence from Punic sources rather than generalising on 'Canaanite' sources which are better documented through history. Purely Roman sources have to be treated with a degree of blue pencil for the obvious propoganda/political motives of their era. Most languages have developed from a dialect of an earlier tongue and whilst there can be little doubt that Punic was born of the antecedent Phoenician, prolonged contact with Tyre would seem far less likely than several hundred years direct development in north Africa. It is not to be forgotten that the very word we currently use to describe this language (PUNIC) has its origins in roman derogatory and is not even a 'punic' term.
lammech ibarcu 17:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC) lammech ibarcu 17:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
This page was kind of a mess. :( I cleaned it up, added some tags and links and generally made it at least look better. I don't really any information on the language itself to add, but at least it's nicer to see. :) Wilybadger 22:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It is tidier and more user friendly. Your contribution is appreciated 15:32, 13 September 2007 Barcaloner 15:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC) lammech ibarcu
The link to the film starring Vin Diesel to be released in 2008 has been temporarily removed (it would be better under the general Punic article). It has yet to be verified as using actual Punic conversation. This page really should concentrate on the language and not necessarily on historical figures and their exploits. 19:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC) lammech ibarcu
Lammech Ibarcu, you shouldn't keep putting your name on the actual page. You can put it into here like this Wilybadger 04:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC) but you shouldn't sign the article itself. Wilybadger 04:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
It is my (non-expert) understanding that virtually nothing is actually known of the Punic language (other than its relationship to Phoenician). This article appears to have very serious issues, and may indeed be mostly nonsense.-- Pharos ( talk) 03:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Article says:
!!! Did the Carthagines speak old Norse? It sounds exactly (except the names) like a rune stone inscriptiom and should mean:
where only "almighty" = "almattki" must be explained by some sound laws, such as ht > tt (right ~ rätt), and +ki as a fast-speach contraction of +igi, a masculine ending of ending counterparting English +ish such as in "red" ~ "reddish". Said: Rursus ☻ 13:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know about the origin of that inscription or where it was found. But i know that Carthaginians used to trade a lot with scandinavians and norsics in their time and that the fuutark is actually the punic alphabet, that the norsic assimilated for trade purpose. (thus its secret power). Some of them learnt punic for that same reason and it is not impossible that norsics where themeselve at some degree punicised, far before the Romans (or Catholics) came, a millenia latter. We can still found that the norsic languages are of the semitic languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exacrion ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Can anyone please take a look at my question at Talk:Wilhelm Gesenius?
Thanks in advance. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 17:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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i undid myself with regards to that Iterresise ( talk) 16:34, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
The claim that Punic was spoken during Saint Augustine's time is disputed and doesn't hold much water. It cannot be stated as a fact in the article. For now, I'm leaving here this source about the meaning of "Chenani" that was mentioned by Augustine and will add more sources later on. M.Bitton ( talk) 22:09, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 24 January 2024 and 15 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): CunningSeafarerWS ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by CunningSeafarerWS ( talk) 19:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)