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gjdm extremist pullups D***, whoever the d00d in these animated gifs is, he is one strong hombre. User:220.253.75.243 01:27, 22 April 2007
yes he is very strong! he is moving around a little more than he should, probably he has strong biceps movement going on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ykral ( talk • contribs) 11:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi! The first animation is a chin-up, not a pull-up! Ddes3 17:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
i think the chinup page should be merged with the pull up page becasue they are both extremly similar work out the same muscles and the only differnce between them is the grip Barry White 19:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I disagree - different muscles are used in pul ups and chin up, and it is seen as a separate technique within a training routine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.46.2 ( talk) 08:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
The one-arm animation should be removed as it is not truly a one arm. In order for it to be a one arm he should not be thrashing like he is. It should be one smooth movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.28.124 ( talk) 19:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
For another excellent one-arm demonstration video look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTOVJhXU5Q0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ykral ( talk • contribs) 11:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I have tagged both articles with this request (see Barry White's suggestion above and on the other page as well as this discussion), a chin up is a form of a pull up. People use it to refer to supinated-grip pull ups, or pull ups that involve bringing the chin over the bar alternatively. We should recognize that people make the distinction, but not go so far as use this as an absolute terminological rule as it is not. Recognizing the etymological logic is also fine, but the wording itself is quite off. Dictabeard ( talk) 07:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
There have been some changes since I last checked on this page which are in error, beginning with this one. This of course relates to the previous discussion about the multiple meanings of the terms anda how they have changed over time. I'm going to address them so we can hopefully reach consensus about it:
There is no valid source that limits a pull up to a palms-away grip. A palms-toward (supine) grip has also been called a pull up. Palms-away have also been called chin-ups. I have already addressed this in the "etymology" section which explains modern usage by some people to imply supine/prone grips. This is hardly overwhelming. Saying it a second time in the introduction is wasteful.
Any with knowledge of what these muscles do knows that their involvement would interfere with doing a pull up or chin up. The serratus anterior is a protractor, elevator and upward rotator. It is an antagonist to this movement and would not be trained by it. The lower traps at most would play a role in scapular depression. The transversus abdominis is not needed to stabilize the abdomen because it is not being compressed, it is under traction.
This would also be a good place to discuss ongoing edits as I have noticed a bit of a revert-war going on between ExtremistPullup and OhNoItsJamie. Hopefully others of us can mediate whatever disagreement you are having. Actually, upon review, it seems the majority of it is over whether or not EP can add his site. ONIJ was right to remove it, but for reference purposes I'll include this link here. We can consult it, but I think we should review the link and see if it's appropriate as a site reference here. It does seem like a potential resource for the world record information, which I moved down.
The Gym Jones: Quality link was also removed here as a reference for standard pull-up form. The IP called it spam, which I will tell them is wrong. It is certainly related as it does depict pull up form. It may not be an appropriate reference and could be removed for that reason, but spam is too condemnative. DB ( talk) 21:40, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
supine/australian row- I can't see a reason why this would be listed under pull-ups (exercises). Yes it is a bodyweight workout. When you change the pull angle from Vertical to horizontal it becomes a row. User:Extremistpullup 14:45, 11 May 2011
Can you make a gif of the supine row? Another variation could be, tuck your feet to your chest rotate your body horizontally and pull yourself up to the bar. But I would consider this a bodyweight row. There are so many variation. Extremistpullup ( talk) 19:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Gym Jones: Quality gymjones.com is Spam. Adding a link to website because it has a 29 word discription for a pull-up is redundent with the current link from http://www.exrx.net. It is an opinion piece promoting the site. I believe the reason it was added was to promote the site and it's advertisment for seminars, certifications, and memberships fees. User:Extremistpullup 15:12, 11 May 2011
extremepullups was removed for spam, This website has interviews of current world record holders. Articles to improve pull-ups. It also is a social site which will allow you to participate in Pull-up contest for prizes FOR FREE. User:Extremistpullup 14:45, 11 May 2011
Update The GIF's, my form is questionable on some of them. Extremistpullup ( talk) 19:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Specific Guidelines on how to perform a weighted pull-up for a world record. ie. Pull-ups require a pronated grip. Extremistpullup ( talk) 00:10, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
1.An overhand grip (pronated grip) must be used.” It also had very usefull information on how to perform a pull-up for GWR.
Extremistpullup ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC).
I added two links on here. The first shows people how to do pull-ups when they don't have a bar, which was not explained in the article. The second discusses form and what to look out for. I think they add some valuable information to the article. The first link was already deleted. I don't understand why? What was wrong with it? I also put in a bit of information on possible widths of the grip. It's short and maybe I can expand it a bit more in the next days 92.228.119.51 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC).
for its redundancy of "1 Etymology" Extremistpullup ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC).
Is there any more official source for the World record weighted pullup? I've been searching the Internet and can't find any. 402 pounds just seems ridiculously low considering the fact that most fit men can do a 200 pound pullup (his own body weight). Compare this to the unassisted bench press record of 713 pounds: Almost 4 times what most fit men can do.-- 71.194.190.179 ( talk) 17:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC) http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/12000/heaviest-weighted-pull-up
http://www.strengthospeedia.org/
http://www.alternativerecords.co.uk/recorddetails.asp?recid=500 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extremistpullup ( talk • contribs) 06:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Noticed this muscle at Pull-up_(exercise)#Shoulders:
The serratus anterior article says it rotates up to elevate the arm. Can it do both? Different sections are mentioned, so maybe specific parts do 1 or the other? It was mentioned that there is a superior/middle/inferior part.
Rather than discuss it here, since this pertains to anatomical function of a specific muscle, I think this would be appropriate for Talk:serratus anterior muscle although I started a topic for this at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anatomy#Serratus. There's always more to learn about these muscles, hopefully we can learn if and how it might work during pullups. If so, we shold probably add to chinups and pulldown exercise too since they're pretty similar and if the SA worked in one you'd think it'd work in the others too. Y12J ( talk) 22:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't advise ignoring this analysis of the muscles used. - Kortoso ( talk) 17:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
The existence of this article is under discussion at Talk:Chin-up -- 70.51.44.60 ( talk) 06:11, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Pull-up_(exercise)#In_armed_forces uses File:USMC-120412-M-UY543-003.jpg however the description of that file clearly says "participate in a team chin-up competition here". There is no reference to the term "pull-up" so the image is not appropriate for that reason. We should use an image whose filename or description uses the term pull-up. This image is more appropriate for use in the chin-up article.
I propose File:US Navy 101116-N-8335D-097 Lance Cpl. Brendon Wald, assigned to the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (31st MEU), does pull-ups aboard the amphibious.jpg which clearly says "pull-up" instead. Ranze ( talk) 23:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
flexed arm hang redirects here but there is nothing about it in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.193.98.46 ( talk) 17:53, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
"L-sit" (aka: "L-hang") pull-up is missing from from the 'Variations' table. Googling either term will find numerous potential sources. Anybody "up" for adding this? 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:CCFA:802A:8BDD:BA79 ( talk) 21:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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As noted in multiple RS these two articles are about the same exercise. Some sources use "pull-up" for overhand and "chin-up" for underhand grip, but as noted in the lead of the chin up article this is not consistent. Overhand, underhand, neutral, mixed, and rotating grips can be discussed in the same article with sections on terminology and differences between grips. There is not enough sourced content to warrant a separate article about underhand grip only. ( t · c) buidhe 23:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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I need to get around to recording a better head image before it gets to the main page lol ( t · c) buidhe 01:43, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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gjdm extremist pullups D***, whoever the d00d in these animated gifs is, he is one strong hombre. User:220.253.75.243 01:27, 22 April 2007
yes he is very strong! he is moving around a little more than he should, probably he has strong biceps movement going on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ykral ( talk • contribs) 11:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi! The first animation is a chin-up, not a pull-up! Ddes3 17:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
i think the chinup page should be merged with the pull up page becasue they are both extremly similar work out the same muscles and the only differnce between them is the grip Barry White 19:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I disagree - different muscles are used in pul ups and chin up, and it is seen as a separate technique within a training routine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.46.2 ( talk) 08:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
The one-arm animation should be removed as it is not truly a one arm. In order for it to be a one arm he should not be thrashing like he is. It should be one smooth movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.28.124 ( talk) 19:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
For another excellent one-arm demonstration video look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTOVJhXU5Q0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ykral ( talk • contribs) 11:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I have tagged both articles with this request (see Barry White's suggestion above and on the other page as well as this discussion), a chin up is a form of a pull up. People use it to refer to supinated-grip pull ups, or pull ups that involve bringing the chin over the bar alternatively. We should recognize that people make the distinction, but not go so far as use this as an absolute terminological rule as it is not. Recognizing the etymological logic is also fine, but the wording itself is quite off. Dictabeard ( talk) 07:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
There have been some changes since I last checked on this page which are in error, beginning with this one. This of course relates to the previous discussion about the multiple meanings of the terms anda how they have changed over time. I'm going to address them so we can hopefully reach consensus about it:
There is no valid source that limits a pull up to a palms-away grip. A palms-toward (supine) grip has also been called a pull up. Palms-away have also been called chin-ups. I have already addressed this in the "etymology" section which explains modern usage by some people to imply supine/prone grips. This is hardly overwhelming. Saying it a second time in the introduction is wasteful.
Any with knowledge of what these muscles do knows that their involvement would interfere with doing a pull up or chin up. The serratus anterior is a protractor, elevator and upward rotator. It is an antagonist to this movement and would not be trained by it. The lower traps at most would play a role in scapular depression. The transversus abdominis is not needed to stabilize the abdomen because it is not being compressed, it is under traction.
This would also be a good place to discuss ongoing edits as I have noticed a bit of a revert-war going on between ExtremistPullup and OhNoItsJamie. Hopefully others of us can mediate whatever disagreement you are having. Actually, upon review, it seems the majority of it is over whether or not EP can add his site. ONIJ was right to remove it, but for reference purposes I'll include this link here. We can consult it, but I think we should review the link and see if it's appropriate as a site reference here. It does seem like a potential resource for the world record information, which I moved down.
The Gym Jones: Quality link was also removed here as a reference for standard pull-up form. The IP called it spam, which I will tell them is wrong. It is certainly related as it does depict pull up form. It may not be an appropriate reference and could be removed for that reason, but spam is too condemnative. DB ( talk) 21:40, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
supine/australian row- I can't see a reason why this would be listed under pull-ups (exercises). Yes it is a bodyweight workout. When you change the pull angle from Vertical to horizontal it becomes a row. User:Extremistpullup 14:45, 11 May 2011
Can you make a gif of the supine row? Another variation could be, tuck your feet to your chest rotate your body horizontally and pull yourself up to the bar. But I would consider this a bodyweight row. There are so many variation. Extremistpullup ( talk) 19:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Gym Jones: Quality gymjones.com is Spam. Adding a link to website because it has a 29 word discription for a pull-up is redundent with the current link from http://www.exrx.net. It is an opinion piece promoting the site. I believe the reason it was added was to promote the site and it's advertisment for seminars, certifications, and memberships fees. User:Extremistpullup 15:12, 11 May 2011
extremepullups was removed for spam, This website has interviews of current world record holders. Articles to improve pull-ups. It also is a social site which will allow you to participate in Pull-up contest for prizes FOR FREE. User:Extremistpullup 14:45, 11 May 2011
Update The GIF's, my form is questionable on some of them. Extremistpullup ( talk) 19:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Specific Guidelines on how to perform a weighted pull-up for a world record. ie. Pull-ups require a pronated grip. Extremistpullup ( talk) 00:10, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
1.An overhand grip (pronated grip) must be used.” It also had very usefull information on how to perform a pull-up for GWR.
Extremistpullup ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC).
I added two links on here. The first shows people how to do pull-ups when they don't have a bar, which was not explained in the article. The second discusses form and what to look out for. I think they add some valuable information to the article. The first link was already deleted. I don't understand why? What was wrong with it? I also put in a bit of information on possible widths of the grip. It's short and maybe I can expand it a bit more in the next days 92.228.119.51 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC).
for its redundancy of "1 Etymology" Extremistpullup ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC).
Is there any more official source for the World record weighted pullup? I've been searching the Internet and can't find any. 402 pounds just seems ridiculously low considering the fact that most fit men can do a 200 pound pullup (his own body weight). Compare this to the unassisted bench press record of 713 pounds: Almost 4 times what most fit men can do.-- 71.194.190.179 ( talk) 17:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC) http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/12000/heaviest-weighted-pull-up
http://www.strengthospeedia.org/
http://www.alternativerecords.co.uk/recorddetails.asp?recid=500 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extremistpullup ( talk • contribs) 06:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Noticed this muscle at Pull-up_(exercise)#Shoulders:
The serratus anterior article says it rotates up to elevate the arm. Can it do both? Different sections are mentioned, so maybe specific parts do 1 or the other? It was mentioned that there is a superior/middle/inferior part.
Rather than discuss it here, since this pertains to anatomical function of a specific muscle, I think this would be appropriate for Talk:serratus anterior muscle although I started a topic for this at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anatomy#Serratus. There's always more to learn about these muscles, hopefully we can learn if and how it might work during pullups. If so, we shold probably add to chinups and pulldown exercise too since they're pretty similar and if the SA worked in one you'd think it'd work in the others too. Y12J ( talk) 22:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't advise ignoring this analysis of the muscles used. - Kortoso ( talk) 17:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
The existence of this article is under discussion at Talk:Chin-up -- 70.51.44.60 ( talk) 06:11, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Pull-up_(exercise)#In_armed_forces uses File:USMC-120412-M-UY543-003.jpg however the description of that file clearly says "participate in a team chin-up competition here". There is no reference to the term "pull-up" so the image is not appropriate for that reason. We should use an image whose filename or description uses the term pull-up. This image is more appropriate for use in the chin-up article.
I propose File:US Navy 101116-N-8335D-097 Lance Cpl. Brendon Wald, assigned to the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (31st MEU), does pull-ups aboard the amphibious.jpg which clearly says "pull-up" instead. Ranze ( talk) 23:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
flexed arm hang redirects here but there is nothing about it in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.193.98.46 ( talk) 17:53, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
"L-sit" (aka: "L-hang") pull-up is missing from from the 'Variations' table. Googling either term will find numerous potential sources. Anybody "up" for adding this? 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:CCFA:802A:8BDD:BA79 ( talk) 21:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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As noted in multiple RS these two articles are about the same exercise. Some sources use "pull-up" for overhand and "chin-up" for underhand grip, but as noted in the lead of the chin up article this is not consistent. Overhand, underhand, neutral, mixed, and rotating grips can be discussed in the same article with sections on terminology and differences between grips. There is not enough sourced content to warrant a separate article about underhand grip only. ( t · c) buidhe 23:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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I need to get around to recording a better head image before it gets to the main page lol ( t · c) buidhe 01:43, 10 November 2022 (UTC)