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also, pastella is very tasty.
also, Africa isn't a country 24.26.52.14 07:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I made a first attempt at cleaning up this article (as requested) by breaking it in subsections, reordering some paragraphs, and rearranging the popular dishes section as a list. Still needed are:
I think it would be wonderful if someone could provide photos of some of the popular dishes! --colibri-- 03:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, here is a start... I've never seen a "sofrito" made with bacon. Solcita 15:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I think that Goat, Rabbit, and Lamb should be eliminated from the Meats and Poultry section. They do not form part of Puerto Rican cuisine. RayLast ( talk) 18:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Under the beverages section, the link for "Malta" leads to the island country, not the soft drink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.67.249 ( talk) 02:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Can someone please find sources for this? Off the top of my head I cannot think of very many similarities between the two cuisines, nor any common dishes. 98.212.165.97 ( talk) 02:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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65.23.199.206 ( talk) 16:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
It's so frustrating trying almost everyday to rescue deleted accurate info. and pictures, trying to fix misinformation posted, and dealing with other sabotage behavior by people that only show a dynamic (constantly changing) ID. Today I had to rescue four pics, and fix three lists in alphabetical order. We're still missing the cachucha and caballero pepper pics, chorizo's, guinea hen's, chayote's, and some others. :=/ -- Portorricensis ( talk) 19:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
For crying out loud, this article is about the food of Puerto Rico, why all the fuzz? There is no way that Puerto Rican cuisine has been influenced by Mexican cuisine. Where did the person who added that get his information from? Where is the cited source? Just because in Puerto Rico we eat Tacos from "Taco Bell" doesn't mean that it is part of our native cuisine. I just happened to notice the war-editing which is going on around here and I believe that version posted by User:Caribbean H.Q. is neutral without a political agenda as required by Wikipedia policy. Any changes to the article should be accompanied by a verifiable reliable source. Let's keep it cool, O.K? Tony the Marine ( talk) 02:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I have placed the article under protection from the war editing that is going on until the parties involved express their concerns and matters are settled. Tony the Marine ( talk) 19:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Ethiopia? Where did this come from? The largest contingent of Africans came from the Gold Coast, Nigeria, and Dahomey, or the region known as the area of Guineas, the Slave Coast. However, the vast majority came from the Yorubas and Igbo ethnic groups from Nigeria and the Bantus from the Guineas.
We must not confuse the fact Puerto Rican cuisine has been influenced by the United States and Latin America just because there are many "Burger Kings", "Taco Bells" and Chinese restaurants in Puerto Rico which Puerto Ricans love to frequent. What this means is that the culinary tastes of Puerto Ricans have been influenced, but not the typical dishes of which this article is about.
The part of the sentence which starts with "African" and ends with "vegetables" is fine. The Mofongo part should be placed in the "Puerto Rican Dishes" section.
and "Afro influences through Spain" would read better "African influences by way of Spain".
Tony the Marine ( talk) 06:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
The "protection" was posted on the 6th and today is the 9th, time enough for the parties involved to have responded to my suggestion. I posted a request for discussion of the situation on the "talk" pages of each of the parties involved. Of the two parties involved in the war-editing, User:Caribbean H.Q. has responded and User:Portorricensis has not. It will be assumed that the suggestions which I have made have been approved and that consensus has been reached by the parties involved if they do not respond with any objections. The changes to the article as suggested will be made and said article will be unprotected. Reversion of said changes will then be considered deliberate vandalism. I will allow 24 hours before making the changes and "unprotecting" the article. Tony the Marine ( talk) 18:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
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¡Tony, qué barbaridad! This is totalitarism! My God! LOL
Go ahead! Do whatever you want. Take the cuisine article and keep typing all the "disparates" you can. Also keep adding all the misinformation possible to the Puerto Rico article. From "Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory" to "statutory citizenship". All myths you like to read. Go ahead and keed "misinformating" the public!
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/
I'm done with you guys!
-- Portorricensis ( talk) 22:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
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Nope, Tony, with all due respect: you're totally wrong. What I'd been doing is putting back things that were there first (in the article) by months and even years, and someone in a political fanatic frenzy has been either deleting or changing based on very very baised "truth", I mean political opinions. Hello, this is a cuisine article that has nothing to do with Puerto Rico's political status. If they wanna keep writing "disparates" on the Puerto Rico's article, stating inaccurate stuff like Puerto Rico is an "unincorporated" territory of USA (when there's not even one official US Congress document stating this) or that our citizenship was created by the US Congress (cosa ridícula porque existe una sola ciudadannía y emana exclusivamente de la constitución de EEUU, las "ciudadanía estatutorias NO existen, LOL), well go ahead. But NOT on this Puerto Rican Cuisine article! If they wanna say that Puerto Rico is a separated nation that has nothing to do with USA or/and that we have Puerto Rican embassies, and that all Puerto Ricans want to be separated from our American nation, go ahead and keep the misinformation. But once again, -please NOT on the cuisine article.
I'm a professor of History, and tried to combine both knowledges in Puerto Rican cuisine and historical facts. I do NOT want to mix food with politics... I just wanna see this article as accurate as possible on both "things": History and details about Puerto Rican cuisine. No thing else, nothing more!
Take care, man!
-- Portorricensis ( talk) 17:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
--- Portorricensis, the main problem with the article is that it does not cite nor provide reliable verifiable sources. As I have stated, I am not interested in this article "per se", my only interest here is as mediator. What I suggest is exactly what you stated above not to mix food with politics. Thereby, the relationship between Puerto Rico and the United States which is now mentioned in a neutral manner, should stay as is. Now, any changes, be it by you or anyone else should from now on provide and cite a reliable sources. For example: Where is the proof that shows that Puerto Rican cuisine was influenced by Mexican cuisine? You see what I mean? This is the only way that war-editing in this article can come to an end. Tony the Marine ( talk) 00:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
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Tony, about Mexican influence I talked about that before, and somebody deleted it. But, since I save every single word I type, here it is back again:
Recao / Culantro is a 100% Mexican herb, all kind of "habichuelas / frijoles" are native to Mexico. Also "Pico de Gallo" already incorporated to Puerto Rican cooking is originally from Mexico, and our "Taquitos" are a "Puerto Ricanized" version of "taquitos flautas" from Mexico. The incremented use of hot peppers for the last 100 yrs. is clearly an influence from South America (especially Peru) and Mexico. Although the use of hot peppers wasn't unknown for Boricuas of the past. We always used caballero peppers, and "ajicitos" (cachucha peppers, from habanero peppers family, native to Mexico and Central America) on a daily basis.
You should try the "Frijoles Rancheros" from Northern Mexico; they are way a lot similar to Puerto Rican "habichuelas coloradas". Also from Mx. the empanadas, menudo potosino (mondongo in Puerto Rico), buche (cuajito), capirotada (budín de pan in Puerto Rico), patitas de cerdo, "carnitas" (we Puerto Ricans call 'em "cuchifritos", etc)
Besides, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans share and use basically the same ingredients for cooking.
Did you know that Puerto Rico was part of Mexico (Nueva España) until 1821. For God sake, read History! We are the only place in the Spanish Caribbean that uses Mexican patterns of speech and expressions. Puerto Rico is the only place in all Spanish Caribbean that don't use "calletica, chiquitico, corbatica" and all those "icos" / "icas". We use 'horita (not used in RD or Cuba), chamaco, and many other words from Mexico. That's because of the deep integration we Puerto Ricans had during the "Virreinato de Nueva España (Mexico)". Connection was like this: Cadiz, Spain - San Juan, Puerto Rico - Veracruz Mexico for almost 200 years.
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If you really wanted to end a "war", you should leave the article as it was, and not giving preference to the POV-pushing masters like Caribbean H.Q., Jmundo,and Joelr31 (Joelito).
I think it is wrong to have all these articles in "NewyoRicans" hands. Wrong, wrong, wrong! They're our brothers, but they lack knowledge about a lot of details regarding Puerto Rico's history, cuisine, etc.
Also, I insist there's political POV, motivations and propaganda in all Puerto Rico related articles. It should end now!
Greetings,
Portorricensis ( talk) 17:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
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Believe me, I can't care less about your warnings. I got a life! You, and the other two are always mentioning Portorricensis and saying all kind of crap about me. So we are in the same page. Then you guys should get warnings as well, unless you are gods or owners of Wikipedia. Also you guys have been deleting discussions and everything that may unmask your intentions, POV, and propaganda.
Also it'll be great to know the names of the people that Tony and/or you guys say decide "things" by consensus. Consensus of whom?
Once gain, remove all misinformation from Puerto Rico article and stop all bias and political influence on Puerto Rican cuisine article... Now!
This is my warning: If you guys keep doing all this bias and imposition circus, I'll be denouncing all your abuses everywhere. Just take a look on the Web, and you already can find all the discussions you guys deleted here. All that will be out there for long time, believe me!
Portorricensis ( talk) 01:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
No, Puerto Rico was not nor has ever been part of Mexico. Puerto Rico, as part of the Caribbean, was along with the present-day Southwestern United States, Central America (which included Mexico) and the Philippines a political unit of the Viceroyalty of New Spain ruled by a viceroy from Mexico City who governed on behalf of the King of Spain. Even though Culantro, some habichuelas and "Pico de Gallo" were imported from Mexico, so were other ingredients that were imported from other regions which belonged to Viceroyalty of New Spain. As a matter of fact fruits and vegetables from Puerto Rico were exported to other regions. By stating that our cuisine was influenced by Mexico instead of the proper phrase which would be the Viceroyalty of New Spain, people automactically associate te modern day Mexican cuisine, which may be similar to ours, but is as unique to the Mexicans as our cuisine is unique to us.
I appreciate the fact that you created this article and I am willing to unprotect it, however if I do I must have an assurance from you that if you make any changes to the article as it is, you will cite and provide reliable verifiable sources as is required by policy. In other words you must proof your claims. Otherwise any changes made will be considered an act of vandalism. Tony the Marine ( talk) 05:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that "Portorricensis" is a case of Mexican posing as Puerto Rican and all this individual is attempting to do at all cost is discredit the uniqueness of Puerto Rican Cuisine & wrongly educate anyone interested in information about our Cuisine/Culture. If you notice this individual makes everything about Mexico (the ridiculous claims, the unfounded and unproven supposed facts that no one seems to know but him/her). I suggest this person should not be allowed to make further malicious contributions on this site. He should join a site about what he/she seems to love so much (Mexico).
Sincerely,
Serafin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.41 ( talk) 04:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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LOL, Tony, Joel is not right. Actually is totally wrong!
I never said that our Puerto Rican cuisine is identical to Mexican's. Never! So está demás que me vengas con esa basofia. LOL Actually using Spain and Mexico as references I stated (already deleted by you guys): "Although Puerto Rican cooking is somewhat similar to both Spanish and Mexican cuisines, it is a unique tasty blend of influences."
We do not need references for facts that are well known. The whole world knows that all the following ingredients (produce, etc.) widely used on Puerto Rican Cuisine came / are original from Mexico:
Tomatoes (From the Aztecan / Mexican word ‘xitomatl’)
Avocado
Most peppers / Pimientos / chiles / ajíces
Corn
Some potatoes
ALL kind of beans
Culantro (recao)
Chocolate (From the Aztecan word 'xocolatl')
Achiote (The name achiote came from Aztecan word 'achiotl')
Mamey
Chayote (From Aztecan word 'chayotl')
And many many more...
So Mexican influence on Puerto Rican Cuisine cannot be denied.
And yes, Puerto Rico was part of Virreinato de Nueva España (current Mexico) like many other territories, BUT... of all them, Puerto Rico was the territory with more exchange with Mexico. That's HISTORY! (Cadiz, Spain - San Juan, Puerto Rico - Veracruz, Mexico / Mexico - Puerto Rico - Spain)
Anyways, the main issue was never that. Joel should know better about it! LOL
To "Mr. IP address 67.142.130.41", heheheh: I'm not Mexican. Not even related to any actual Mexican person.
To Mr Jmundo, go and look at all the personal attacks and "names" made by Joel and CaribbeanHQ to me. Also look at you once again trying to close a discussion, when you don't like the outcome or facts don't support your propaganda.
Well, Tony, I put references in the past, but like many other stuff, everything was deleted by Joel & Co. ;-) Those three were in a sabotage trip with this article, just because I denounced all the propaganda they put on the Puerto Rico article. Basically they wanna project Puerto Rico as something totally separated from USA, that all Puerto Rico is an extension of Africa (LOL), and that that US Congress has the power to create or build citizenships, heheheh. Everything's started there.
Go ahead and unprotect the article, unless it receives more attacks from Joel & Co. ;-) I'll try to put back all the references they deleted.
Cuídate, pai, -- Portorricensis ( talk) 19:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Cool, I will... I promise! ;-)
Regarding the other issue, please ask those three the same (ask 'em to not generalize and take up the subject with the user in thier "talk" pages instead of an article's talk page), and ask 'em to quit talking crap about me or any other person who doesn't believe or write what they want to. Also, PLEASE do something about Puerto Rico's article. Sadly is full of misinformation. :-(
Take care, man!
-- Portorricensis ( talk) 02:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I Just want to give some insight on some misrepresentations about the "Virreinato De Nueva España" & the origin of certain food items attributed as "Mexican".
The following is information that can be obtained & corroborated in many reliable and credible sources on the web like Encyclopedia Encarta, Britannica, & Wikipedia among others.
Virreinato De Nueva España - political-administrative entity established by Spanish monarchs to govern portions of the western hemisphere now know as Puerto Rico, Mexico, Venezuela, Florida, etc. (just to mention a few). The appointees by Spain to rule this region were to be located in Nueva España (modern day Mexico), which was the nucleus of the Virreinato. All these lands belonged to Spain and not Mexico. Therefore if you read the entire history of the Virreinato you will realize Puerto Rico was part of it but never belonged to Mexico or anyone else for that matter other than Spain until the Spanish American War where many territories passed to the United States.
The following previously cited food items and their true indigenous origins (which can also be verified on any encyclopedia or other reliable/credible source:
Tomatoes (From the Aztecan / Mexican word ‘xitomatl’) - Native to Mexico
Avocado - Native to Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Most peppers / Pimientos / chiles / ajíces (proper Spanish spelling in plural is Ajíes not Ajíces) - Native to Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Corn - Native to Mexico
Some potatoes - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)
ALL kind of beans - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Culantro (recao or Mexican coriander) - Native to Mexico, Central America (not just Mexico)
Chocolate (From the Aztecan word 'xocolatl') - Native to Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Achiote (The name achiote came from Aztecan word 'achiotl') - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Mamey - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico) I kindly suggest to anyone posting information on this site to please carefully verify your sources as we do not want to misinform the public. Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.82.180.23 ( talk) 15:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 23:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC).
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The wording implies that corn oil is no longer used for those purposes. Is that the case, or is it unclear wording? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iain.dalton ( talk • contribs) 23:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
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I think that "Portorricensis" is a case of Mexican posing as Puerto Rican and all this individual is attempting to do at all cost is discredit the uniqueness of Puerto Rican Cuisine & wrongly educate anyone interested in information about our Cuisine/Culture. If you notice this individual makes everything about Mexico (the ridiculous claims, the unfounded and unproven supposed facts that no one seems to know but him/her). I suggest this person should not be allowed to make further malicious contributions on this site. He should join a site about what he/she seems to love so much (Mexico).
Sincerely, 67.142.130.41 ( talk) 04:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC) Serafin 67.142.130.41 ( talk) 04:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC) |
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also, pastella is very tasty.
also, Africa isn't a country 24.26.52.14 07:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I made a first attempt at cleaning up this article (as requested) by breaking it in subsections, reordering some paragraphs, and rearranging the popular dishes section as a list. Still needed are:
I think it would be wonderful if someone could provide photos of some of the popular dishes! --colibri-- 03:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, here is a start... I've never seen a "sofrito" made with bacon. Solcita 15:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I think that Goat, Rabbit, and Lamb should be eliminated from the Meats and Poultry section. They do not form part of Puerto Rican cuisine. RayLast ( talk) 18:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Under the beverages section, the link for "Malta" leads to the island country, not the soft drink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.67.249 ( talk) 02:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Can someone please find sources for this? Off the top of my head I cannot think of very many similarities between the two cuisines, nor any common dishes. 98.212.165.97 ( talk) 02:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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65.23.199.206 ( talk) 16:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
It's so frustrating trying almost everyday to rescue deleted accurate info. and pictures, trying to fix misinformation posted, and dealing with other sabotage behavior by people that only show a dynamic (constantly changing) ID. Today I had to rescue four pics, and fix three lists in alphabetical order. We're still missing the cachucha and caballero pepper pics, chorizo's, guinea hen's, chayote's, and some others. :=/ -- Portorricensis ( talk) 19:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
For crying out loud, this article is about the food of Puerto Rico, why all the fuzz? There is no way that Puerto Rican cuisine has been influenced by Mexican cuisine. Where did the person who added that get his information from? Where is the cited source? Just because in Puerto Rico we eat Tacos from "Taco Bell" doesn't mean that it is part of our native cuisine. I just happened to notice the war-editing which is going on around here and I believe that version posted by User:Caribbean H.Q. is neutral without a political agenda as required by Wikipedia policy. Any changes to the article should be accompanied by a verifiable reliable source. Let's keep it cool, O.K? Tony the Marine ( talk) 02:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I have placed the article under protection from the war editing that is going on until the parties involved express their concerns and matters are settled. Tony the Marine ( talk) 19:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Ethiopia? Where did this come from? The largest contingent of Africans came from the Gold Coast, Nigeria, and Dahomey, or the region known as the area of Guineas, the Slave Coast. However, the vast majority came from the Yorubas and Igbo ethnic groups from Nigeria and the Bantus from the Guineas.
We must not confuse the fact Puerto Rican cuisine has been influenced by the United States and Latin America just because there are many "Burger Kings", "Taco Bells" and Chinese restaurants in Puerto Rico which Puerto Ricans love to frequent. What this means is that the culinary tastes of Puerto Ricans have been influenced, but not the typical dishes of which this article is about.
The part of the sentence which starts with "African" and ends with "vegetables" is fine. The Mofongo part should be placed in the "Puerto Rican Dishes" section.
and "Afro influences through Spain" would read better "African influences by way of Spain".
Tony the Marine ( talk) 06:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
The "protection" was posted on the 6th and today is the 9th, time enough for the parties involved to have responded to my suggestion. I posted a request for discussion of the situation on the "talk" pages of each of the parties involved. Of the two parties involved in the war-editing, User:Caribbean H.Q. has responded and User:Portorricensis has not. It will be assumed that the suggestions which I have made have been approved and that consensus has been reached by the parties involved if they do not respond with any objections. The changes to the article as suggested will be made and said article will be unprotected. Reversion of said changes will then be considered deliberate vandalism. I will allow 24 hours before making the changes and "unprotecting" the article. Tony the Marine ( talk) 18:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
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¡Tony, qué barbaridad! This is totalitarism! My God! LOL
Go ahead! Do whatever you want. Take the cuisine article and keep typing all the "disparates" you can. Also keep adding all the misinformation possible to the Puerto Rico article. From "Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory" to "statutory citizenship". All myths you like to read. Go ahead and keed "misinformating" the public!
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/
I'm done with you guys!
-- Portorricensis ( talk) 22:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
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Nope, Tony, with all due respect: you're totally wrong. What I'd been doing is putting back things that were there first (in the article) by months and even years, and someone in a political fanatic frenzy has been either deleting or changing based on very very baised "truth", I mean political opinions. Hello, this is a cuisine article that has nothing to do with Puerto Rico's political status. If they wanna keep writing "disparates" on the Puerto Rico's article, stating inaccurate stuff like Puerto Rico is an "unincorporated" territory of USA (when there's not even one official US Congress document stating this) or that our citizenship was created by the US Congress (cosa ridícula porque existe una sola ciudadannía y emana exclusivamente de la constitución de EEUU, las "ciudadanía estatutorias NO existen, LOL), well go ahead. But NOT on this Puerto Rican Cuisine article! If they wanna say that Puerto Rico is a separated nation that has nothing to do with USA or/and that we have Puerto Rican embassies, and that all Puerto Ricans want to be separated from our American nation, go ahead and keep the misinformation. But once again, -please NOT on the cuisine article.
I'm a professor of History, and tried to combine both knowledges in Puerto Rican cuisine and historical facts. I do NOT want to mix food with politics... I just wanna see this article as accurate as possible on both "things": History and details about Puerto Rican cuisine. No thing else, nothing more!
Take care, man!
-- Portorricensis ( talk) 17:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
--- Portorricensis, the main problem with the article is that it does not cite nor provide reliable verifiable sources. As I have stated, I am not interested in this article "per se", my only interest here is as mediator. What I suggest is exactly what you stated above not to mix food with politics. Thereby, the relationship between Puerto Rico and the United States which is now mentioned in a neutral manner, should stay as is. Now, any changes, be it by you or anyone else should from now on provide and cite a reliable sources. For example: Where is the proof that shows that Puerto Rican cuisine was influenced by Mexican cuisine? You see what I mean? This is the only way that war-editing in this article can come to an end. Tony the Marine ( talk) 00:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
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Tony, about Mexican influence I talked about that before, and somebody deleted it. But, since I save every single word I type, here it is back again:
Recao / Culantro is a 100% Mexican herb, all kind of "habichuelas / frijoles" are native to Mexico. Also "Pico de Gallo" already incorporated to Puerto Rican cooking is originally from Mexico, and our "Taquitos" are a "Puerto Ricanized" version of "taquitos flautas" from Mexico. The incremented use of hot peppers for the last 100 yrs. is clearly an influence from South America (especially Peru) and Mexico. Although the use of hot peppers wasn't unknown for Boricuas of the past. We always used caballero peppers, and "ajicitos" (cachucha peppers, from habanero peppers family, native to Mexico and Central America) on a daily basis.
You should try the "Frijoles Rancheros" from Northern Mexico; they are way a lot similar to Puerto Rican "habichuelas coloradas". Also from Mx. the empanadas, menudo potosino (mondongo in Puerto Rico), buche (cuajito), capirotada (budín de pan in Puerto Rico), patitas de cerdo, "carnitas" (we Puerto Ricans call 'em "cuchifritos", etc)
Besides, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans share and use basically the same ingredients for cooking.
Did you know that Puerto Rico was part of Mexico (Nueva España) until 1821. For God sake, read History! We are the only place in the Spanish Caribbean that uses Mexican patterns of speech and expressions. Puerto Rico is the only place in all Spanish Caribbean that don't use "calletica, chiquitico, corbatica" and all those "icos" / "icas". We use 'horita (not used in RD or Cuba), chamaco, and many other words from Mexico. That's because of the deep integration we Puerto Ricans had during the "Virreinato de Nueva España (Mexico)". Connection was like this: Cadiz, Spain - San Juan, Puerto Rico - Veracruz Mexico for almost 200 years.
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If you really wanted to end a "war", you should leave the article as it was, and not giving preference to the POV-pushing masters like Caribbean H.Q., Jmundo,and Joelr31 (Joelito).
I think it is wrong to have all these articles in "NewyoRicans" hands. Wrong, wrong, wrong! They're our brothers, but they lack knowledge about a lot of details regarding Puerto Rico's history, cuisine, etc.
Also, I insist there's political POV, motivations and propaganda in all Puerto Rico related articles. It should end now!
Greetings,
Portorricensis ( talk) 17:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
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Believe me, I can't care less about your warnings. I got a life! You, and the other two are always mentioning Portorricensis and saying all kind of crap about me. So we are in the same page. Then you guys should get warnings as well, unless you are gods or owners of Wikipedia. Also you guys have been deleting discussions and everything that may unmask your intentions, POV, and propaganda.
Also it'll be great to know the names of the people that Tony and/or you guys say decide "things" by consensus. Consensus of whom?
Once gain, remove all misinformation from Puerto Rico article and stop all bias and political influence on Puerto Rican cuisine article... Now!
This is my warning: If you guys keep doing all this bias and imposition circus, I'll be denouncing all your abuses everywhere. Just take a look on the Web, and you already can find all the discussions you guys deleted here. All that will be out there for long time, believe me!
Portorricensis ( talk) 01:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
No, Puerto Rico was not nor has ever been part of Mexico. Puerto Rico, as part of the Caribbean, was along with the present-day Southwestern United States, Central America (which included Mexico) and the Philippines a political unit of the Viceroyalty of New Spain ruled by a viceroy from Mexico City who governed on behalf of the King of Spain. Even though Culantro, some habichuelas and "Pico de Gallo" were imported from Mexico, so were other ingredients that were imported from other regions which belonged to Viceroyalty of New Spain. As a matter of fact fruits and vegetables from Puerto Rico were exported to other regions. By stating that our cuisine was influenced by Mexico instead of the proper phrase which would be the Viceroyalty of New Spain, people automactically associate te modern day Mexican cuisine, which may be similar to ours, but is as unique to the Mexicans as our cuisine is unique to us.
I appreciate the fact that you created this article and I am willing to unprotect it, however if I do I must have an assurance from you that if you make any changes to the article as it is, you will cite and provide reliable verifiable sources as is required by policy. In other words you must proof your claims. Otherwise any changes made will be considered an act of vandalism. Tony the Marine ( talk) 05:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that "Portorricensis" is a case of Mexican posing as Puerto Rican and all this individual is attempting to do at all cost is discredit the uniqueness of Puerto Rican Cuisine & wrongly educate anyone interested in information about our Cuisine/Culture. If you notice this individual makes everything about Mexico (the ridiculous claims, the unfounded and unproven supposed facts that no one seems to know but him/her). I suggest this person should not be allowed to make further malicious contributions on this site. He should join a site about what he/she seems to love so much (Mexico).
Sincerely,
Serafin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.41 ( talk) 04:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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LOL, Tony, Joel is not right. Actually is totally wrong!
I never said that our Puerto Rican cuisine is identical to Mexican's. Never! So está demás que me vengas con esa basofia. LOL Actually using Spain and Mexico as references I stated (already deleted by you guys): "Although Puerto Rican cooking is somewhat similar to both Spanish and Mexican cuisines, it is a unique tasty blend of influences."
We do not need references for facts that are well known. The whole world knows that all the following ingredients (produce, etc.) widely used on Puerto Rican Cuisine came / are original from Mexico:
Tomatoes (From the Aztecan / Mexican word ‘xitomatl’)
Avocado
Most peppers / Pimientos / chiles / ajíces
Corn
Some potatoes
ALL kind of beans
Culantro (recao)
Chocolate (From the Aztecan word 'xocolatl')
Achiote (The name achiote came from Aztecan word 'achiotl')
Mamey
Chayote (From Aztecan word 'chayotl')
And many many more...
So Mexican influence on Puerto Rican Cuisine cannot be denied.
And yes, Puerto Rico was part of Virreinato de Nueva España (current Mexico) like many other territories, BUT... of all them, Puerto Rico was the territory with more exchange with Mexico. That's HISTORY! (Cadiz, Spain - San Juan, Puerto Rico - Veracruz, Mexico / Mexico - Puerto Rico - Spain)
Anyways, the main issue was never that. Joel should know better about it! LOL
To "Mr. IP address 67.142.130.41", heheheh: I'm not Mexican. Not even related to any actual Mexican person.
To Mr Jmundo, go and look at all the personal attacks and "names" made by Joel and CaribbeanHQ to me. Also look at you once again trying to close a discussion, when you don't like the outcome or facts don't support your propaganda.
Well, Tony, I put references in the past, but like many other stuff, everything was deleted by Joel & Co. ;-) Those three were in a sabotage trip with this article, just because I denounced all the propaganda they put on the Puerto Rico article. Basically they wanna project Puerto Rico as something totally separated from USA, that all Puerto Rico is an extension of Africa (LOL), and that that US Congress has the power to create or build citizenships, heheheh. Everything's started there.
Go ahead and unprotect the article, unless it receives more attacks from Joel & Co. ;-) I'll try to put back all the references they deleted.
Cuídate, pai, -- Portorricensis ( talk) 19:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Cool, I will... I promise! ;-)
Regarding the other issue, please ask those three the same (ask 'em to not generalize and take up the subject with the user in thier "talk" pages instead of an article's talk page), and ask 'em to quit talking crap about me or any other person who doesn't believe or write what they want to. Also, PLEASE do something about Puerto Rico's article. Sadly is full of misinformation. :-(
Take care, man!
-- Portorricensis ( talk) 02:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I Just want to give some insight on some misrepresentations about the "Virreinato De Nueva España" & the origin of certain food items attributed as "Mexican".
The following is information that can be obtained & corroborated in many reliable and credible sources on the web like Encyclopedia Encarta, Britannica, & Wikipedia among others.
Virreinato De Nueva España - political-administrative entity established by Spanish monarchs to govern portions of the western hemisphere now know as Puerto Rico, Mexico, Venezuela, Florida, etc. (just to mention a few). The appointees by Spain to rule this region were to be located in Nueva España (modern day Mexico), which was the nucleus of the Virreinato. All these lands belonged to Spain and not Mexico. Therefore if you read the entire history of the Virreinato you will realize Puerto Rico was part of it but never belonged to Mexico or anyone else for that matter other than Spain until the Spanish American War where many territories passed to the United States.
The following previously cited food items and their true indigenous origins (which can also be verified on any encyclopedia or other reliable/credible source:
Tomatoes (From the Aztecan / Mexican word ‘xitomatl’) - Native to Mexico
Avocado - Native to Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Most peppers / Pimientos / chiles / ajíces (proper Spanish spelling in plural is Ajíes not Ajíces) - Native to Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Corn - Native to Mexico
Some potatoes - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)
ALL kind of beans - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Culantro (recao or Mexican coriander) - Native to Mexico, Central America (not just Mexico)
Chocolate (From the Aztecan word 'xocolatl') - Native to Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Achiote (The name achiote came from Aztecan word 'achiotl') - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)
Mamey - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico) I kindly suggest to anyone posting information on this site to please carefully verify your sources as we do not want to misinform the public. Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.82.180.23 ( talk) 15:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 23:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC).
From the article:
The wording implies that corn oil is no longer used for those purposes. Is that the case, or is it unclear wording? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iain.dalton ( talk • contribs) 23:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
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I think that "Portorricensis" is a case of Mexican posing as Puerto Rican and all this individual is attempting to do at all cost is discredit the uniqueness of Puerto Rican Cuisine & wrongly educate anyone interested in information about our Cuisine/Culture. If you notice this individual makes everything about Mexico (the ridiculous claims, the unfounded and unproven supposed facts that no one seems to know but him/her). I suggest this person should not be allowed to make further malicious contributions on this site. He should join a site about what he/she seems to love so much (Mexico).
Sincerely, 67.142.130.41 ( talk) 04:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC) Serafin 67.142.130.41 ( talk) 04:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC) |
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