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What is the proper weight and NPOV description for the most recent news item:
Available sources include:
See the full discussion on this issue here for reference (we also swapped some emails). One editor feels a shorter summary is more appropriate, because the limited source material suggests it was not a major historical landmark. The other editor feels it warrants more weight in the article, because it is part of a longer history of similar behavior and controversy. CorporateM ( Talk) 22:53, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
The whole article is unencyclopedic and concentrates too much on controversies and media and news reports. On that basis I would perfer the shorter version or maybe nothing at all. The article should be about the company and give an overview of major events in its history not mention every controversial event is which it has been involved. Criticicm should, of course, be mentioned but in more general terms. Martin Hogbin ( talk) 23:09, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Year | Settlement | Reason |
---|---|---|
1994 | $490,000 | Settlement with 14 States regarding deceptive advertising allegations. PCH agrees to define terms like "finalist" and reveal the chances of winning |
1999 | $30 million | National Settlement with National Association of Attorneys General |
2000 | $18 million | Settlement with Attorneys General of 24 states after mailings that used mock personalized checks and said "You are a winner!" |
2001 | $34 million | Settlement with Attorneys General of 25 states. PCH apolgizes for its deceptive sweepstakes promotions. |
2007 | PCH reaches agreement with Iowa Attorney General to pay a $2,500 penalty each time it mails to someone who has been removed from its mailing list and to contact customers over 65 that are spending more than $500 a quarter | |
2010 | $3.5 million | Settlement of possible contempt charges for violations of previous agreements with Attorneys General of 32 states. PCH agrees to work with both an ombudsperson and a compliance counsel who would review its mailings quarterly |
2014 | Senate Investigation |
Your thoughts? Bilbobag ( talk) 17:00, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@ user:CorporateM. PCH is heavily promoting its current sweeps - $7000 a week for life (Giveaway 4900). I'd like to update the "Sweepstakes" section, 3rd paragraph, to read as follows "The odds of winning a Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes vary depending on the number of entries and what prize or sweepstakes is involved.[51] The odds of winning the current Giveaway #4900, $7000/week for life, are 1.7 Billion to one." Bilbobag ( talk) 15:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Bilbo. I went ahead and put it in. I put the #4900 number in the citation, rather than in the article-body; it sounds like a designation that would be appropriate for a legal document or regulatory filing, but probably not for an encyclopedia. However, it's not something I'm really prepared to argue over, if you'd like it in there. Thanks for keeping an eye out! Although the source is not as strong, it's good to get some 2015 data, instead of 2011 and since both numbers are similar, I don't think there is an original research problem of cherry-picking years or anything like that. Someone else could reasonably disagree. CorporateM ( Talk) 20:29, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
The revenue numbers currently listed in the infobox are from 2011 and 2012. The 2011 revenue number originates from a list of "Largest Privately Held Companies" in the New York area from Crain's New York. I have a PDF copy of the 2014 list from Crain's, which identifies the company's 2013 revenue as $840.6 million. I propose we replace the outdated revenue numbers with the 2013 data point of $840.6 million.
I can provide a PDF copy of the newspaper upon request to verify. CorporateM ( Talk) 17:51, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
My wife received an e-mail from Publishing Clearing House which said she had won 615,00.00 in your 2019 (Jackpot). She was to e-mail: fieldman.pch@socialworker.net. We can not find this this page. This was received on Feb. 21st at 3:58 from you. IS THIS REAL? What are we to do? How do we contact you? Is this just false? The e-mail was signed Mrs Jonalyn L. Medina. How do we contact her?
Kenneth D. Andrews ≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth D. Andrews ( talk • contribs) 17:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
In a new filing (Wright, et al v. Publishers Clearing House, Incorporated and Publishers Clearing House, LLC (EDNY April 23, 2018)) on behalf of a putative class, alleges “that PCH enticed and solicited consumers, particularly the elderly, into believing that they have enhanced opportunities of winning millions of dollars in sweepstakes by engaging in unlawful, unfair and deceptive marketing practices.” The article goes on to say that “The complaint alleges that PCH’s current marketing practices violate its agreements with the State Attorneys General from the prior 2001 and 2010 settlements.” [1] Bilbobag ( talk) 23:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
References
Since the company has now been listed under "merchandising" as the industry within which PCH operates; and since the rationale for this being that PCH doesn't publish anything, doesn't it therefore make sense to eliminate "publishing companies in the U.S." and "Publishing companies established in 1953' from the "External Links, Categories section at the end of the article? It currently contains the following : Categories: Metasearch engines; Direct marketing; Publishing companies of the United States; Companies based in Nassau County, New York; Media companies established in 1953; Publishing companies established in 1953; 1953 establishments in New York Privately held companies based in New York Bilbobag 22:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Definitely, their selling of subscriptions to magazines does not equate to them being a publisher of magazines, just as their selling of other products does not equate to them being a manufacturer of those products. -- Naaman Brown ( talk) 14:10, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
OK log me, in but I doubt that I will ever be on here again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:D0C:6020:BC12:9115:D5DC:DB4 ( talk) 13:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Do not post here asking if you won. Please see the Publishers Clearing House pages on scams etc. They do not call you. They do not ask for money for processing or taxes.
GeneHowardjamesCallahan@ Gmail.com97 2600:100A:B1C6:A3AD:0:1D:3C11:8001 ( talk) 22:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 |
What is the proper weight and NPOV description for the most recent news item:
Available sources include:
See the full discussion on this issue here for reference (we also swapped some emails). One editor feels a shorter summary is more appropriate, because the limited source material suggests it was not a major historical landmark. The other editor feels it warrants more weight in the article, because it is part of a longer history of similar behavior and controversy. CorporateM ( Talk) 22:53, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
The whole article is unencyclopedic and concentrates too much on controversies and media and news reports. On that basis I would perfer the shorter version or maybe nothing at all. The article should be about the company and give an overview of major events in its history not mention every controversial event is which it has been involved. Criticicm should, of course, be mentioned but in more general terms. Martin Hogbin ( talk) 23:09, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Year | Settlement | Reason |
---|---|---|
1994 | $490,000 | Settlement with 14 States regarding deceptive advertising allegations. PCH agrees to define terms like "finalist" and reveal the chances of winning |
1999 | $30 million | National Settlement with National Association of Attorneys General |
2000 | $18 million | Settlement with Attorneys General of 24 states after mailings that used mock personalized checks and said "You are a winner!" |
2001 | $34 million | Settlement with Attorneys General of 25 states. PCH apolgizes for its deceptive sweepstakes promotions. |
2007 | PCH reaches agreement with Iowa Attorney General to pay a $2,500 penalty each time it mails to someone who has been removed from its mailing list and to contact customers over 65 that are spending more than $500 a quarter | |
2010 | $3.5 million | Settlement of possible contempt charges for violations of previous agreements with Attorneys General of 32 states. PCH agrees to work with both an ombudsperson and a compliance counsel who would review its mailings quarterly |
2014 | Senate Investigation |
Your thoughts? Bilbobag ( talk) 17:00, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@ user:CorporateM. PCH is heavily promoting its current sweeps - $7000 a week for life (Giveaway 4900). I'd like to update the "Sweepstakes" section, 3rd paragraph, to read as follows "The odds of winning a Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes vary depending on the number of entries and what prize or sweepstakes is involved.[51] The odds of winning the current Giveaway #4900, $7000/week for life, are 1.7 Billion to one." Bilbobag ( talk) 15:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Bilbo. I went ahead and put it in. I put the #4900 number in the citation, rather than in the article-body; it sounds like a designation that would be appropriate for a legal document or regulatory filing, but probably not for an encyclopedia. However, it's not something I'm really prepared to argue over, if you'd like it in there. Thanks for keeping an eye out! Although the source is not as strong, it's good to get some 2015 data, instead of 2011 and since both numbers are similar, I don't think there is an original research problem of cherry-picking years or anything like that. Someone else could reasonably disagree. CorporateM ( Talk) 20:29, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
The revenue numbers currently listed in the infobox are from 2011 and 2012. The 2011 revenue number originates from a list of "Largest Privately Held Companies" in the New York area from Crain's New York. I have a PDF copy of the 2014 list from Crain's, which identifies the company's 2013 revenue as $840.6 million. I propose we replace the outdated revenue numbers with the 2013 data point of $840.6 million.
I can provide a PDF copy of the newspaper upon request to verify. CorporateM ( Talk) 17:51, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
My wife received an e-mail from Publishing Clearing House which said she had won 615,00.00 in your 2019 (Jackpot). She was to e-mail: fieldman.pch@socialworker.net. We can not find this this page. This was received on Feb. 21st at 3:58 from you. IS THIS REAL? What are we to do? How do we contact you? Is this just false? The e-mail was signed Mrs Jonalyn L. Medina. How do we contact her?
Kenneth D. Andrews ≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth D. Andrews ( talk • contribs) 17:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
In a new filing (Wright, et al v. Publishers Clearing House, Incorporated and Publishers Clearing House, LLC (EDNY April 23, 2018)) on behalf of a putative class, alleges “that PCH enticed and solicited consumers, particularly the elderly, into believing that they have enhanced opportunities of winning millions of dollars in sweepstakes by engaging in unlawful, unfair and deceptive marketing practices.” The article goes on to say that “The complaint alleges that PCH’s current marketing practices violate its agreements with the State Attorneys General from the prior 2001 and 2010 settlements.” [1] Bilbobag ( talk) 23:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
References
Since the company has now been listed under "merchandising" as the industry within which PCH operates; and since the rationale for this being that PCH doesn't publish anything, doesn't it therefore make sense to eliminate "publishing companies in the U.S." and "Publishing companies established in 1953' from the "External Links, Categories section at the end of the article? It currently contains the following : Categories: Metasearch engines; Direct marketing; Publishing companies of the United States; Companies based in Nassau County, New York; Media companies established in 1953; Publishing companies established in 1953; 1953 establishments in New York Privately held companies based in New York Bilbobag 22:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Definitely, their selling of subscriptions to magazines does not equate to them being a publisher of magazines, just as their selling of other products does not equate to them being a manufacturer of those products. -- Naaman Brown ( talk) 14:10, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
OK log me, in but I doubt that I will ever be on here again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:D0C:6020:BC12:9115:D5DC:DB4 ( talk) 13:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Do not post here asking if you won. Please see the Publishers Clearing House pages on scams etc. They do not call you. They do not ask for money for processing or taxes.
GeneHowardjamesCallahan@ Gmail.com97 2600:100A:B1C6:A3AD:0:1D:3C11:8001 ( talk) 22:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)