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This article (public transport) explicitly states that taxis are not public transport. The taxi article states that taxis are a mode of public transport. Which of these is verifiable with authoritative citations? (Not mere examples of word use). To prove your case, provide citations. Thank you. The Transhumanist 11:43, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Taxicabs are the main type of vehicle for hire. The Category:Public transport by mode includes Category:Vehicles for hire. The article Public transport states that taxis are not public transport. Which is correct? Back your answers with authoritative citations (dictionary entries, statements from textbooks, scientific/engineering journals, etc.), please. The Transhumanist 11:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
The article Public transport says it is shared transport. The article shared transport describes this mode as distinct from public transport. The Transhumanist 16:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
I look forward to your answers. (Please {{ ping}} me). The Transhumanist 13:50, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
@ The Transhumanist:, it's a mistake to think that all forms of transport must be either public or private. As with any other division, people and things can move between different classes. A taxi is usually privately owned, and at most times it's also privately hired, and if so it's essentially a form of private transport. But it can also be publicly owned and can be used to provide public transport: for instance, a railway company can use taxis to complete its passengers' railway journeys when something goes wrong. You could say a taxi is sui generis. Moonraker ( talk) 15:26, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Jayron32 That is mostly correct but doesn't take us far. As you say, the ownership doesn't make a real difference, although it might help to show a general character that isn't private. The essence of public transport is that it is available for public use by more than one member of the public at a time. Usually there is a fixed route and some kind of timetable. A taxi doesn't have a fixed route or a timetable, and usually it is hired privately by one person. It's a mistake to think that everything can be divided neatly into "public" and "private" (especially foolish with colleges and universities, for instance), but taxis don't have much in common with public transport except that someone pays to make a journey. That can also be true of hiring a car to drive from A to B, but I don't think anyone would suggest a rented car is public transport. Moonraker ( talk) 17:25, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Here's the current lead paragraph from the article Public transport:
Public transport (also known as public transportation, public transit, or mass transit) is transport of passengers by shared-transport systems available for use by the general public, as distinct from modes such as taxicab, carpooling, hired buses, ride-sharing, and transportation network companies, which are not shared by the general public without private arrangement.
Here is the lead paragraph from the same article back in June of 2002:
Public transport is the collective name for transport systems employed in densely populated areas in order to supply an alternative to automobiles. It is called public transit in the U.S.A. and Canada. Wider definitions would include scheduled airline services, ferries, taxi services etc., basically any system which is transporting members of the general public.
And from December 2002:
Public transport is the collective name for transport systems in which the passengers do not travel in their own vehicles. It is called public transit in the U.S.A. and Canada. While it is generally taken to mean rail and bus services, wider definitions would include scheduled airline services, ferries, taxi services etc., basically any system which is transporting members of the general public.
I look forward to your replies. The Transhumanist 17:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Public transport (also known as public transportation, public transit, or mass transit) is transport of passengers by shared-transport systems available for use by the general public. Other forms of transport that provide rides to the public for a fee, but are not considered public transport in the same sense, include vehicles for hire, such as taxicabs and auto rickshaws.
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Jayron32: A similar problem arises with the term "shared transport". In all forms of public transport, the vehicles are shared. But does the term "shared transport" include buses, trains, and planes? If so, the two articles overlap almost entirely, and the various missing modes of transport need to be presented in the article on shared transport. Idioms appear to be a form of interface hacking, by hijacking a phrase that has a different meaning when concatenated in regular speech.
Getting back to "public transport", if you just take the meaning of the concatenated words, they could refer to cars in general, as they are a form of transport available to the public for purchase. Almost anyone can buy a car, and practically everyone uses them, so they are a form of mass transit in the context that they move a lot of people, and in some countries the majority of the public own one. But the terms "public transport" and "mass transit" as presented in dictionaries do not include privately owned vehicles, even though there are hundreds of millions of them owned by members of the public. In a similar way, those definitions do not include taxicabs either.
The Transhumanist 02:59, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
"Public transport" and "mass transit" are not the same things. Mass transit refers to fixed-schedule fixed-route public transport systems. Public transport on the other hand refers to any form of transport that can be used by a member of the public (for a fee usually). You cannot consider privately owned cars as a type of public transport (obviously) because, by definition, a fee is paid for a service. Also, not all public transport services are operated by the government. For instance, in the UK, all public buses except the ones in London are privatised in 1986. Bburakb ( talk) 15:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
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Voice 103.204.160.242 ( talk) 07:02, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Providing a cheap system of public transport is a compulsory function of the municipal corporation 2402:8100:3957:4EE0:0:0:0:1 ( talk) 12:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
We plan to edit the article for a class project by including the following points.
1. In the summary section, we would like to add a short paragraph regarding the decline of public transport in many cities due to ride-sharing applications, car-centric incentives, and remote work leading to fewer workweek commutes.
2. Under section 2 (Types), we would like to add a section 2.9 titled ‘Electric Scooters and Bicycles’ and include information about the rise of this mode of transportation.
3. Under section 5 (Societal Issues), we would like to add a few lines about the pandemic and how it has impacted use of public transport, and some predict this will be a long term – partially due to public health concern and partially because of the increase in remote work facilitated by the pandemic.
Baselhussein ( talk) 21:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
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This article (public transport) explicitly states that taxis are not public transport. The taxi article states that taxis are a mode of public transport. Which of these is verifiable with authoritative citations? (Not mere examples of word use). To prove your case, provide citations. Thank you. The Transhumanist 11:43, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Taxicabs are the main type of vehicle for hire. The Category:Public transport by mode includes Category:Vehicles for hire. The article Public transport states that taxis are not public transport. Which is correct? Back your answers with authoritative citations (dictionary entries, statements from textbooks, scientific/engineering journals, etc.), please. The Transhumanist 11:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
The article Public transport says it is shared transport. The article shared transport describes this mode as distinct from public transport. The Transhumanist 16:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
I look forward to your answers. (Please {{ ping}} me). The Transhumanist 13:50, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
@ The Transhumanist:, it's a mistake to think that all forms of transport must be either public or private. As with any other division, people and things can move between different classes. A taxi is usually privately owned, and at most times it's also privately hired, and if so it's essentially a form of private transport. But it can also be publicly owned and can be used to provide public transport: for instance, a railway company can use taxis to complete its passengers' railway journeys when something goes wrong. You could say a taxi is sui generis. Moonraker ( talk) 15:26, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Jayron32 That is mostly correct but doesn't take us far. As you say, the ownership doesn't make a real difference, although it might help to show a general character that isn't private. The essence of public transport is that it is available for public use by more than one member of the public at a time. Usually there is a fixed route and some kind of timetable. A taxi doesn't have a fixed route or a timetable, and usually it is hired privately by one person. It's a mistake to think that everything can be divided neatly into "public" and "private" (especially foolish with colleges and universities, for instance), but taxis don't have much in common with public transport except that someone pays to make a journey. That can also be true of hiring a car to drive from A to B, but I don't think anyone would suggest a rented car is public transport. Moonraker ( talk) 17:25, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Here's the current lead paragraph from the article Public transport:
Public transport (also known as public transportation, public transit, or mass transit) is transport of passengers by shared-transport systems available for use by the general public, as distinct from modes such as taxicab, carpooling, hired buses, ride-sharing, and transportation network companies, which are not shared by the general public without private arrangement.
Here is the lead paragraph from the same article back in June of 2002:
Public transport is the collective name for transport systems employed in densely populated areas in order to supply an alternative to automobiles. It is called public transit in the U.S.A. and Canada. Wider definitions would include scheduled airline services, ferries, taxi services etc., basically any system which is transporting members of the general public.
And from December 2002:
Public transport is the collective name for transport systems in which the passengers do not travel in their own vehicles. It is called public transit in the U.S.A. and Canada. While it is generally taken to mean rail and bus services, wider definitions would include scheduled airline services, ferries, taxi services etc., basically any system which is transporting members of the general public.
I look forward to your replies. The Transhumanist 17:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Public transport (also known as public transportation, public transit, or mass transit) is transport of passengers by shared-transport systems available for use by the general public. Other forms of transport that provide rides to the public for a fee, but are not considered public transport in the same sense, include vehicles for hire, such as taxicabs and auto rickshaws.
@
Jayron32: A similar problem arises with the term "shared transport". In all forms of public transport, the vehicles are shared. But does the term "shared transport" include buses, trains, and planes? If so, the two articles overlap almost entirely, and the various missing modes of transport need to be presented in the article on shared transport. Idioms appear to be a form of interface hacking, by hijacking a phrase that has a different meaning when concatenated in regular speech.
Getting back to "public transport", if you just take the meaning of the concatenated words, they could refer to cars in general, as they are a form of transport available to the public for purchase. Almost anyone can buy a car, and practically everyone uses them, so they are a form of mass transit in the context that they move a lot of people, and in some countries the majority of the public own one. But the terms "public transport" and "mass transit" as presented in dictionaries do not include privately owned vehicles, even though there are hundreds of millions of them owned by members of the public. In a similar way, those definitions do not include taxicabs either.
The Transhumanist 02:59, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
"Public transport" and "mass transit" are not the same things. Mass transit refers to fixed-schedule fixed-route public transport systems. Public transport on the other hand refers to any form of transport that can be used by a member of the public (for a fee usually). You cannot consider privately owned cars as a type of public transport (obviously) because, by definition, a fee is paid for a service. Also, not all public transport services are operated by the government. For instance, in the UK, all public buses except the ones in London are privatised in 1986. Bburakb ( talk) 15:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
References
Voice 103.204.160.242 ( talk) 07:02, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Providing a cheap system of public transport is a compulsory function of the municipal corporation 2402:8100:3957:4EE0:0:0:0:1 ( talk) 12:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
We plan to edit the article for a class project by including the following points.
1. In the summary section, we would like to add a short paragraph regarding the decline of public transport in many cities due to ride-sharing applications, car-centric incentives, and remote work leading to fewer workweek commutes.
2. Under section 2 (Types), we would like to add a section 2.9 titled ‘Electric Scooters and Bicycles’ and include information about the rise of this mode of transportation.
3. Under section 5 (Societal Issues), we would like to add a few lines about the pandemic and how it has impacted use of public transport, and some predict this will be a long term – partially due to public health concern and partially because of the increase in remote work facilitated by the pandemic.
Baselhussein ( talk) 21:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)