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I think this should be updated to reflect the smoking ban now in operation in England and Wales, which does affect the traditional smoky environment of pubs, lol. -- Beeurd 14:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
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I miss an explanation what a snug (of a pub) is from this article. Maybe someone more competent than me could amend it, thanks. Maikel 21:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Article states: "the highly contentious juke box or "muzak" has otherwise replaced the musical tradition of a piano and singing". It seems to me that highly contentious is very much a POV phrase for a common pub item that most people don't even think twice about. Any refs for juke boxes' contentiousness before I remove these words? -- Lost tourist ( Talk) 18:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Do pubs take the definite article by virtue of a grammar rule or just their names? If the former then perhaps it is noteworthy. "I am going to the pub" in British English may be used even when the listener is not familiar with the pub that the speaker is going to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timtak ( talk • contribs) 01:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Country inn directs here. There should be a separate article for "country inn", which is a whole different animal. Hadrianheugh ( talk) 22:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Terrific job digging out all the sources and entering them, well done 75.134.181.76! Dieter Simon ( talk) 13:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
"Some" and "often" are sort of doubling up here to give the phrase the following meaning:
There are some pubs which usually have "hotel" in their name, but on some occasions do not.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I would suspect that the total number of pubs in the world which regularly alternate their names between something with "Hotel" and something without it is probably zero. 72.23.224.5 ( talk) 02:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
We've got a {{Inappropriate tone|date=December 2007}} lable on there, but I can't actually see anything wrong with tone. At least not in the first few paragraphs. All seems fairly encyclopedic to me. -- Harry Wood ( talk) 11:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Pretty sure that has to do with the "Irish Pubs" section (way at the bottom) which, with all due respect an' all, is way too long and mostly irrelevant. Ossicle ( talk) 16:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I am surprised that there seems to be no mention of Britain's historical Beer Houses, the third tier of Licencing introduced by the 1830 Beer Act. See Beer Houses. Is this an oversight? or was it decided to omit beer houses from the Public House entry? 21stCenturyGreenstuff ( talk) 16:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
At the start of the article it claims that pub's originated in England, is there any actual proof to back this up? 86.10.97.187 ( talk) 15:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)Moustan
So that leaves us indeed with the tabernae [1]as they would have been called, the first Roman establishments in Britain. Dieter Simon ( talk) 22:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
This article talk page was automatically added with {{ WikiProject Food and drink}} banner as it falls under Category:Restaurants or one of its subcategories. If you find this addition an error, Kindly undo the changes and update the inappropriate categories if needed. You can find the related request for tagging here -- TinucherianBot ( talk) 10:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm undergoing a major revamp of all the pub articles. Any assistance is welcomed. It would be great to form a Pub Task Force to discuss best ways forward. If at any point I do an edit or merge that looks daft, please get in touch so we can talk about it and perhaps put it back the way it was. All input is very welcome! SilkTork * YES! 18:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
This was originally included under the "Name" section of article "Public house" because it no longer exists and is therefore part of our pub heritage. To remove this would be tantamount to vandalising this heritage. Dieter Simon ( talk) 23:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Anyone interesting in working for a while on improving the pub articles? Sorting out the stubs. Organising the categories. Creating a Pub InfoBox. Drawing up some kind of notability guideline, and checking that pub articles are meeting the guidelines. Drawing up a Style guideline. Working on the editing of the main articles - Public house, List of public houses in the United Kingdom, Bar (establishment), etc. Considering how to integrate all the drinking establishments around the globe. Perhaps create a new parent article: Drinking establishment. I've started working on the pub articles, but I would really like to work with other people to bounce ideas and keep within consensus. Check in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Beer#Pub_Task_Force, or respond here or drop a message on my talkpage. Cheers! SilkTork * YES! 18:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I am currently merging small articles I am finding which relate to this main article - such as lock-in, country pub, etc. That I am merging the material doesn't mean it should stay here - some material, like country pub, may be reduced to a single sentence in a more developed Types of pub section. Or it may be expanded enough to be sent back as a stand-alone article in summary style. This is a transition phase. SilkTork * YES! 14:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Not tested. SilkTork * YES! 14:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
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Pub Hub website - guide to 'lost' and country pubs
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BBC Norfolk : Story of a Country Pub
Tested. One OK resource. SilkTork * YES! 14:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
This article is almost entirely about British pubs, with virtually no reference to the history or current practice of pubs in other countries. Which is fine, but it should be renamed in that case to "British pub" or similar, along the lines of Australian pubs or public houses in Ireland. Either way, the scope of the article should be clarified, then a name chosen to match. Stevage 04:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
You certainly can't speak for the UK/Britain, saying the current policy is "pub". Where do think the word "pub" comes from? Public house, of course. The sheer fact that most people shorten it to "pub" is neither here nor there, officially even now it is still "public house". There is no such thing as an official policy to call it "pub". If a court of law were to decide on an incident in a pub, they would pull you up short and make you call it a "public house". Dieter Simon ( talk) 00:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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I think this should be updated to reflect the smoking ban now in operation in England and Wales, which does affect the traditional smoky environment of pubs, lol. -- Beeurd 14:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Image:Eerie-logo.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 02:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I miss an explanation what a snug (of a pub) is from this article. Maybe someone more competent than me could amend it, thanks. Maikel 21:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Article states: "the highly contentious juke box or "muzak" has otherwise replaced the musical tradition of a piano and singing". It seems to me that highly contentious is very much a POV phrase for a common pub item that most people don't even think twice about. Any refs for juke boxes' contentiousness before I remove these words? -- Lost tourist ( Talk) 18:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Do pubs take the definite article by virtue of a grammar rule or just their names? If the former then perhaps it is noteworthy. "I am going to the pub" in British English may be used even when the listener is not familiar with the pub that the speaker is going to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timtak ( talk • contribs) 01:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Country inn directs here. There should be a separate article for "country inn", which is a whole different animal. Hadrianheugh ( talk) 22:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Terrific job digging out all the sources and entering them, well done 75.134.181.76! Dieter Simon ( talk) 13:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
"Some" and "often" are sort of doubling up here to give the phrase the following meaning:
There are some pubs which usually have "hotel" in their name, but on some occasions do not.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I would suspect that the total number of pubs in the world which regularly alternate their names between something with "Hotel" and something without it is probably zero. 72.23.224.5 ( talk) 02:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
We've got a {{Inappropriate tone|date=December 2007}} lable on there, but I can't actually see anything wrong with tone. At least not in the first few paragraphs. All seems fairly encyclopedic to me. -- Harry Wood ( talk) 11:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Pretty sure that has to do with the "Irish Pubs" section (way at the bottom) which, with all due respect an' all, is way too long and mostly irrelevant. Ossicle ( talk) 16:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I am surprised that there seems to be no mention of Britain's historical Beer Houses, the third tier of Licencing introduced by the 1830 Beer Act. See Beer Houses. Is this an oversight? or was it decided to omit beer houses from the Public House entry? 21stCenturyGreenstuff ( talk) 16:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
At the start of the article it claims that pub's originated in England, is there any actual proof to back this up? 86.10.97.187 ( talk) 15:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)Moustan
So that leaves us indeed with the tabernae [1]as they would have been called, the first Roman establishments in Britain. Dieter Simon ( talk) 22:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
This article talk page was automatically added with {{ WikiProject Food and drink}} banner as it falls under Category:Restaurants or one of its subcategories. If you find this addition an error, Kindly undo the changes and update the inappropriate categories if needed. You can find the related request for tagging here -- TinucherianBot ( talk) 10:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm undergoing a major revamp of all the pub articles. Any assistance is welcomed. It would be great to form a Pub Task Force to discuss best ways forward. If at any point I do an edit or merge that looks daft, please get in touch so we can talk about it and perhaps put it back the way it was. All input is very welcome! SilkTork * YES! 18:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
This was originally included under the "Name" section of article "Public house" because it no longer exists and is therefore part of our pub heritage. To remove this would be tantamount to vandalising this heritage. Dieter Simon ( talk) 23:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Anyone interesting in working for a while on improving the pub articles? Sorting out the stubs. Organising the categories. Creating a Pub InfoBox. Drawing up some kind of notability guideline, and checking that pub articles are meeting the guidelines. Drawing up a Style guideline. Working on the editing of the main articles - Public house, List of public houses in the United Kingdom, Bar (establishment), etc. Considering how to integrate all the drinking establishments around the globe. Perhaps create a new parent article: Drinking establishment. I've started working on the pub articles, but I would really like to work with other people to bounce ideas and keep within consensus. Check in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Beer#Pub_Task_Force, or respond here or drop a message on my talkpage. Cheers! SilkTork * YES! 18:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I am currently merging small articles I am finding which relate to this main article - such as lock-in, country pub, etc. That I am merging the material doesn't mean it should stay here - some material, like country pub, may be reduced to a single sentence in a more developed Types of pub section. Or it may be expanded enough to be sent back as a stand-alone article in summary style. This is a transition phase. SilkTork * YES! 14:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Not tested. SilkTork * YES! 14:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
*
Pub Hub website - guide to 'lost' and country pubs
*
BBC Norfolk : Story of a Country Pub
Tested. One OK resource. SilkTork * YES! 14:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
This article is almost entirely about British pubs, with virtually no reference to the history or current practice of pubs in other countries. Which is fine, but it should be renamed in that case to "British pub" or similar, along the lines of Australian pubs or public houses in Ireland. Either way, the scope of the article should be clarified, then a name chosen to match. Stevage 04:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
You certainly can't speak for the UK/Britain, saying the current policy is "pub". Where do think the word "pub" comes from? Public house, of course. The sheer fact that most people shorten it to "pub" is neither here nor there, officially even now it is still "public house". There is no such thing as an official policy to call it "pub". If a court of law were to decide on an incident in a pub, they would pull you up short and make you call it a "public house". Dieter Simon ( talk) 00:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)