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Why does this sentence need a citation?
"Bands such as The Smashing Pumpkins and Tool fused psychedelic rock sounds with heavy metal, becoming highly successful alternative rock acts in the 1990s."
I'm going to remove it since I don't think we need a citation to prove that Smashing Pumpkins and Tool both use tremendous amounts of production effects and employ extended or untraditional song structures for some of their songs. TorbenFrost 20:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I really don't think the listeners of psychedelic rock are small or a cult =\ changing this.
This section contains songs that were never singles. Should we change this section name to Songs instead?
Kurrgo master of planet x 18:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Their first album is hardly Psychedelicx... i'm removing it Steve
Ok, 2 things...
about the beach boys, the page reads: "In 1966, responding to the Beatles' innovations, they produced their album Pet Sounds..." this isnt really true... in fact, pet sounds inspired the beatles more than it was inspired BY them. pet sounds came out before sgt peppers and was the main inspiration behind it, according to mccartney and george martin. mccartney says that pet sounds is his all time favorite album and "god only knows" is his favorite song. also, perhaps the page should discuss the similarities between the beach boys and the beatles, and what these traits meant for psychedelia (use of string/orchestra arrangements, extensive multitracking, lots of harmonies, etc).
Yes but the Beatles Rubber Soul influenced Pet Sounds first. Pet Sounds is not really a Psychedelic album anyway. Whereas Revolver uses psychedelic influences backward guitars, exotic Indian drones, tape loops as well as avant Influences like "Tomorrow Never Knows". Rubber Soul shows Psychedelic influences in Rubber Soul with tracks like the " The Word" and sitar driven " Norwegian Wood" which predates Pet Sounds. Pet Sounds is more known for it's arrangements but it's more related to Baroque pop which the Beatles flirted with " Yesterday" in 1965.
another thing.... "The psychedelic influence was also felt in black music" This paragraph only really discussses the influence on soul/r&b... psychedelia had a big impact on funk as well, as sly and the family stone were pretty much a part of the psychedelic movement (they were, after all, woodstock performers). psychedelic artists also had a big impact on reggae. bob marley and lee perry had been fans of psychedelic rock and their collaborations (prior to marley's signing to island records) show this influence. lee perry's later work in dub had lots of psychedelic influence, with the use of lots of multitracking, experimental recording/miking setups, samples, and hendrix-esque effects such as delay lines and phasers (lots of dub effects had been used a ton in psychedelic rock; the phaser pretty much came from psychedelia as it was derived from the ADT that ken townshend and john lennon came up with).
should i edit some changes?
12-30-05
Changed "...and recently invented "trippy" electronic effects such as distortion..."
to
"...and "trippy" electronic effects such as distortion..."
because most trippy electronic effects have been around in one form or another since (at-least) the 1950s.
"which contains the track 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds', the initials of which spell out LSD" -- band members have specifically denied this is anything other than a coincidence -- user:Daniel C. Boyer
Odd that someone picked "Pictures of Lily" as an example of The Who's psychedelia when much more familiar examples such as "I Can See for Miles And Miles", "Magic Bus", and the "Underture" from Tommy are ready to hand. B.Bryant 16:02 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC)
Well, that got quick results, so now let's try the Rolling Stones. I'm admittedly not very familiar with their early material, but I'm surprised that nothing on Their Satanic Majesties Request is mentioned as a part of their psychedelic contribution. B.Bryant 16:37 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC)
By whom? I have never heard psychotic used as the name of a musical style. This may be a joke. --- Ihcoyc
I hope nobody minds my "Music Samples" bit. I'll (hopefully) develop it more in time and implement it into other genre pages. The samples are from Amazon.com - should I upload them to WikiMedia? Also, how do you align the graph with the top of the text? - Archagon 22:35, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You'll notice that I cut some details for consolidation, streamlining, and balance of detail. IMO there is still too much about the Beach Boys: though the material is relevant, it's far out of proportion to the brief mention everyone else gets. If we want more detail then IMO we should add some sections for them. For example, we could move the musical characteristics to its own section and then give a list of "classic" psychedelic songs that illustrate each one. As for band-specific details, we could add a section with per-band subsections, but IMO that is best left to the bands' own pages and the list of psychedelic music artists. — B.Bryant 23:22, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
what is the difference between acid rock and psychedelic rock? the acid rock article itself only redirects to the psychedelic rock article.
Psychedlic rock and acid rock are NOT the same thing. Acid rock is characterized by long jams sometimes without lyrics and by songs which sometimes lack a traditional pop song structure. It would later give way to progressive rock in the early seventies. Psychedelic rock had songs which still retain a traditional structure. Pink Floyd is a good example of a band that played both styles. Their early material is clearly Psychedlic rock but by 1970 they were an acid rock band.
I remember this exact same debate back in 1967. My opinion is they were two names for the same music. Labels like these are usually concocted by the media and are purely arbitrary in nature.
Seems the debate itself is now rock history. Aimulti ( talk) 08:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
""I remember this exact same debate back in 1967"" if you were there you are not supposed to remember it. I cannot find musicologists that distinguish acid rock from psychedlic rock. I agree that acid rock article should be merged into here, a redirection put in and a clear explanation added.-- Sabrebd ( talk) 10:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
First a disclaimer: I'm a Pink Floyd fanatic so if this comes off as a little whiny, my apologies. For those of you maintaining this page, you should look into this a little more closely.
I'm somewhat taken aback at how Pink Floyd is presented on this page as an afterthought. In the UK, the psychedelic movement was an underground thing for several years before exploding into the mainstream, and Pink Floyd was often considered the most prominent band in that movement (this was long before they were famous.) They were sometimes thought of as the "house band of the psychedelic underground." Their shows contained many firsts that were later used by other bands, including the use of oil slide projections. They were also pioneers of stage lighting and augmenting on-stage performances with unusual audio effects. It's likely that a lot of famous bands like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones took a few cues from Pink Floyd (some of these band members were sighted in the audience of early Floyd shows.) In some respect, Pink Floyd got the ball rolling in terms of British psychedelic music and led the way. To see them tagged on to the end of a paragraph here as "also representative" is a massive discredit to what they did.
As to the previous comment about Pink Floyd, whoever you are I agree with you. Why don't you add some pink floyd info in?
Tool is at the forefront of modern psychedelic rock experimentation. But oddly no one mentioned Tool, so I put a little sentence about them and a link. Most bands such as Grateful Dead aren't really psychedelic they were just over glorified pop idols from the 60's. Tool ar not at the forefront of anything except pretentious neu-metal. They have a lot of dork fans and therefore a large internet presence but nothing to do with psychedelia aside from the marijuana intake of their "cult". I'm no deadhead but to say they were just pop idols is ridiculous. Albums like "Anthem of the Sun" are surely psychedelic and live they were quite experimental and LSD-experience-oriented. If any band is over-glorified (while simultaneously laughed at by those outside the cult) it is the dour, monotonous Tool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.245.212 ( talk) 05:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
First of all, Love Buzz was a cover. Secondly, is it really psychedelic? I wouldn't say so.
If we are going to say that Sgt. Peppers was a poor example of 60s Psychadelic Music (which it was) why are we even mentioning it in the article.
First
Revolver was released in August of 1966 and "
Tomorrow Never Knows" was recorded in April of 1966 when
Pink Floyd released their first record in 1967.
Jefferson Airplane
Surrealistic Pillow was released in Feb of 1967 the same month the Beatles overtly Psychedelic "
Strawberry Fields Forever". So the Beatles basically helped put Psychedelic Rock before Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane.
Sgt Pepper was more influential to
Progressive Rock and Art Rock. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Sydfloyds12 (
talk • Sydsfloyd12 (UTC)
sgt. peppers is not a very important psychedelic album. important, yes, but not for psychedelic rock. piper, surrealistic pillow, are you experienced?, easter everywhere... and many more albums are more notable psychedelic albums than sgt. peppers. -- Violarulez ( talk) 03:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I love this revisionist history of course Sgt Pepper was an important album for psychedelic rock as it only might be the most influential rock album. The structure, the experimentation with things not normally associated with rock and pop music was an influence on most bands at the time. [[-- RigbyEleanor ( talk) 19:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)RigbyEleanor]]
In order to write for wikipedia I had to learn to get my own opinions out of the way. Under wikipedia rules 'Sgt Pepper' IS notable. End of. Tim flatus ( talk) 13:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
"While the first musicians to be influenced by psychedelic drugs were in the jazz and folk scenes" should presumably say "the first twentieth century musicians", as musicians have probably been finding ways to get out of it ever since music first happened. Anyway, late 19th century Ottoman music was heavily influenced by hashish, as was Rebetiko in the 20th Century... The Real Walrus 23:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
This article states that sgt Peppers was the first psychedelic album. That is a common mistake; the first album, that could be call "psychedelic" (in rock music at least) is the beach boys "Pet sounds". The article even claims that the last one was influenced by the beatles, when it was released before sgt peppers, and Mc cartney himself acknowledge the influence of "pet sounds " on sgt peppers.
actually first album was by the 13th Floor Elevators was the first psychedellic album. It's even called "The Psychedellic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators".
How about The Deep? Pat Kilroy? The Byrds? Alan Watt's "This is It" from 1961 is considered by many the first psychedelic LP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.245.212 ( talk) 05:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Added information about the dutch band Group 1850. It is quite lonely right now, we should try to find other non-US/Britain Psychedelic bands. Reko 23:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Just one sample is not representative of all psychedelic music. At least some Pink Floyd, Peppers-era Beatles, or Jefferson Airplane is essential. -- 68.107.44.241 03:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
One group that seems missing here is Canada's Mahogany Rush, with Frank Marino who proclaims himself as a psychedelic rocker in a promo video:
The first two albums came out in 72 and 74 and Maxoom and Child of the Novelty fit the bill exactly, check out the cover of Child of the Novelty.
Dwaink 03:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Why is there a whole section on the Beatles and not one on bands that were probably more influential on psychedelia than them such as Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane.
First Revolver was released in August of 1966 and "Tomorrow Never Knows" was recorded in April of 1966 when Pink Floyd released their first record in 1967. Jefferson Airplane Surrealistic Pillow was released in Feb of 1967 the same month the Beatles overtly Psychedelic "Strawberry Fields Forever". So the Beatles basically helped put Psychedelic Rock before Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane. Sgt Pepper was more influential to Progressive Rock and Art Rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydfloyds12 ( talk • contribs) 21:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
The bealtes are in NO way the most psychedelic or influential to psychedlic music. pink floyd, jefferson airplane, the byrds, 13th floor elevators... and much more are more psychedlic. and psychedelically influential -- Violarulez ( talk) 03:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if others might be more psychedelic. The Beatles are easily one of the most influential psychedelic bands as many will say Revovler is one of the first psychedelic albums. Many of the elements of psychedelic rock like the sitar, backward guitars and vocals, loops, feedback, and the psychedelic use of the studio instrument was introduced by the Beatles. -- RigbyEleanor ( talk) 19:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)RigbyEleanor
This article is verging on the edge of communal Original Research. It needs some references and sources to support and justify the whole thing. Are there any books or articles on this genre? SorrowD 17:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Would it be useful to discuss/add album cover art as an important section of this article?
http://www.tim-rose.co.uk/music.htm#bigthreelive is a possible early consideration(63') and there are tons of covers afterwards that might lend themselves to an understanding of what the genre was all about.
-- Dwaink 02:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Parts of this article seem to focus on psychedelic music as a whole instead of psychedelic rock in particular. There are many occasions where the terms "psychedelic music", "pop music" or "psychedelia" are used instead of psychedelic rock. Therefore I suggest the article (most importantly the characteristics section) be trimmed and its focus narrowed. ... Superfopp 14:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
They should be added somewhere in here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.20.103 ( talk) 19:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Definitely considered a major group in the 1990s Psychedelic Rock revival...they deserve a mention, especially since band member Rob Campanella's two other bands (Beachwood Sparks and The Tyde) are on there.
Notice the band's Wiki, they should be added by someone that's good with editing (not me). Also check out that list of "Descendents"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Jonestown_Massacre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.232.33 ( talk) 17:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The Brian Jonestown Massacre is overtly psychedelic andwcouldn't be considered shoegazer except on there first album. In addition to that, there are dozens of past band members, many of whom have gone on to other quite psychedelic bands all taking a little of BJM's influence. If Smashing Pumpkins and Tool get a mention along with all that electronica than the BJM, there affiliate's and I would like to add The Dandy Warhols should get at least a paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.64.31.2 ( talk) 02:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
It makes sense to make five main sections - 60's; 70's; '80's; 90's; and '00's. The 'Australasia' para should be cut down and included in the rest of the world. I'd actually go futher and suggest that sub-paragraphs should deal with sub-genres rather than regions. The Gong Family of bands stretches over five continents, for example. I could add a decent overview of the '70's before the neo-psychedelia section, which is coherent with the '80's, of course. Tim flatus ( talk) 10:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I added an overview. Open to comments. Tim flatus ( talk) 22:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I found this section very poor and lacking in any knowledge of the topic other than citing the most famous albums and artists.
Omissions include: -
No discussion of how Folk Rock evolved into Psychedelic Rock. No reference to the clubs that initiated the Psychedelic revolution, namely Middle Earth, The Arts Lab, UFO and the Roundhouse. No reference to the artists and the lightshows like Marc Boyle. No reference to the major role disc jockey, John Peel played. (Almost single handed exposing the music) No reference to the pirate radio stations. No reference to the hard core Psychedelic bands like Hawkwind and Arthur Brown No reference to International Times (IT) and Oz magazine.
I would like to rewrite this section but it will require major work to fully reference.
Aimulti ( talk) 11:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually you are incorrect.
Fairport Convention and
Crazy World of Arthur Brown both date back to 1967. Fire (CWAB) was a hit in 1968. I will be working on this section (more) soon. Look forward to your input. Best wishes.
Aimulti (
talk)
06:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
"Psychedelic rock in Britain, in common with its American counterpart had its roots in the Folk rock genre. In much the same way that The Great Society and the original Jefferson Airplane were electrified folk bands, the same was true of early psychedelic bands in the Britain such as Fairport Convention". - sorry to say there is a serious misunderstanding here. Fairport were not an electrified folk band, they were a folkified electric band, at most they flirted with Psychedelia. Much as I am a fan I have removed them and tried to put together a paragraph from the references to folk and folk rock. I will try to add more references when I can -- Sabrebd ( talk) 16:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I just did a major rewrite of this section: reorganised into a better date order, checked links and added a whole lot more information. I'm aware of its shortcomings, so please feel free to improve upon it. Tim flatus ( talk) 23:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
OK. Trying again, line-by-line. I have started by re-arranging the paragraphs to give a better chronology and made a couple of corrections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim flatus ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have started on the re-write of this section. It is a work in progress and I will add more references over the next few days and expand it to fully cover the topic.
(Editors) Please allow me a little slack (a few days or so) as referencing all assertions takes considerable time.
Aimulti ( talk) 08:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed lately a lot of people don't regard songs without drug references as psychedelic songs. This is completely wrong, lyrics and the band's use of drugs are not the only criteria to define a song as psychedelic (like when someone in the acid rock discussion page that Pink Floyd are not a psychedelic rock band because they don't use drugs (which is wrong too, but never mind). Another example is the song The Fool on the Hill, which is not considered here a psych rock song (I've added the genre to the list but it was removed, the rational being that it contains no drug references). -- ~Magnolia Fen ( talk) 07:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Quote: "...the first use of the term "psychedelic" in popular music was by the "acid-folk" group The Holy Modal Rounders in 1964, with the song "Hesitation Blues"...." Are you sure that this is a serious information and and not a widespread but wrong information by lysergia.com? I found the complete lyrics here: Holy Modal Rounders - Hesitation Blues and there is no "psychedelic" and there is also nothing like "...I got my psychedelic feet/In my psychedelic shoes/Oh lordy momma/I got the psychedelic blues..." as quoted at lysergia. I have only listen to a 30 sec. sample of "Hesitation Blues" and it seems the lysergia lyrics belong to a completely different track and/or artist. Does anyone have serious information about this (or much better heard the complete track)?-- 77.25.46.178 ( talk) 11:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I just listened to it. The lyrics in that first link appear to be correct and complete. He does indeed mention psychodelic feet in psychodelic shoes towards the end of the version. Tim flatus ( talk) 15:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I added a reliable reference for this, which should put the issue to bed.-- Sabrebd ( talk) 11:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I'd really like to get rid of the Refimprove and Essay-like Flags at the top of the article. This page has changed considerably since Dec 2007. We have two unresolved facts:
Can we think about re-writing these if references can't be come by?
Beyond that, it might be useful to get a more experienced editor to have a look over the page and point out what kinds of statements need cleaning up and places that additional citations would help at this point. Or indeed whether the flags can be regarded as out-of-date now. Do any of the other currently active editors need more time before we put out for more critical advice?
I'm up for trying to nail these references. Tim flatus ( talk) 13:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Why is there's no mention of freakbeat in this article (I think that's important as it was the genre that bridged Beat and Psyche)? I would like to know what the difference is between Freak and Psyche. Atm I'm the only way i'm differing the 2 is that Freakbeat most of the time has stormy drums, The Who-like guitar chords and an R&B beat, feedback, fuzz, distortion, chaos and mayhem. But sometimes it can be really fuzzy if it's freak or psyche (or Garage Rock).
Also wasn't the guitarist from the archetype freakbeat band The Creation earlier with experimenting guitar with a bow?
Another question, the term freakbeat was conceived 20 years later before then, what they call it? I heard Mod Psychedelia, but I've got my doubts.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Loempiavreter ( talk • contribs) 07:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I've heard that before though in an article I've read about Freakbeat, is that Freakbeat ain't an reaction on a reaction but a mere evolution. Garage Rock is an reaction on the Beat & R&B sounds of britain, but Freakbeat is an evolution on that. So I doubt it's the British equilivant of the US Garage Rock. An Top 30 Freakbeat Article also had songs listed from my country, The Netherlands, Iceland, Ireland and even an American band stationed in Germany.
Just let me take a few songs considerd Freakbeat: http://media.putfile.com/The-Buzz---Your-Holding-Me-Down---FREAKBEAT http://media.putfile.com/The-SyndicatsCrawdaddy-SimoneFreakbeat http://media.putfile.com/Wimple-Winch---Save-My-Soul---FREAKBEAT http://media.putfile.com/Mickey-Finn---Garden-Of-My-Mind---FREAKBEAT http://media.putfile.com/Alan-Pounds-Get-Rich---Searching-in-the-Wilderness---Freakbeat
VS the Garage Rock Sounds: http://media.putfile.com/The-Unrelated-Segments---The-Story-Of-My-Life---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Magic-Mushroom---Im-Gone---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Pleasure-Seekers---What-A-Way-To-Die---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Ugly-Ducklings---Nothin---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Castaways---Liar-Liar---GARAGE-ROCK
I find the sound to different to call it British Garage Rock. Freakbeat have storming wild drumming, more guitar experimentation and is overall more crazy (also I've heard a few Freakbeat songs experimenting with a horn section). Garage Rock on the other hand is more RAW (and most the time have some scream, which I will dub the Garage scream for now), amateurish.
Seems the Freakbeat songs follow a "My Generation" (by the Who) song structure, http://youtube.com/watch?v=YdRs1gKpeGg , or maybe the song itself is an mostly uncredited Freakbeat song but the wild storming drums and the song going crazy at the end, though Wiki states it as "Hard Rock, Rock, pop, R&B"?
Loempiavreter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loempiavreter ( talk • contribs) 15:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this article should go there. George Harrison's death is a really good place for the History to stop. Surely both QotSA and Wolfmother are notable in heir own ways. I don't care who was the most successful, I want to know why they are relevant to psychedelia.
PS: If English isn't your first language please use a spell/grammar checker and try to write in the same tense as the rest of the section. I don't mind editing it when I get time, but I'm likely to be fairly ruthless. Some editors would simply revert it. (this comment particularly refers to some other recent edits) Tim flatus ( talk) 13:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
is not part of the Elephant 6 Collective. (although I can see how the names are misleading). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.66.251 ( talk) 06:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Where is Led Zeppelin in this article??? they were a major psychedelic band in their early years especially!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.206.40 ( talk) 18:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I also agree with Peter. Though I, personally, consider Dazed and Confused and Misty Mountain Hop to be acid rock (a psych sub-genre), not many other people do, and I can understand why, and as far as their other songs go, I have no idea how they could be considered psychedelic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.115.212 ( talk) 22:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
It is Impossilbe to go to sleep with this kind of music. Marshall T. Williams ( talk) 00:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
listening to songs like 'saucerful of secrets' and 'interstellar overdrive' help me go to sleep. i really enjoy it. :) -- Violarulez ( talk) 03:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
There's been a wave of editing activity around The Syn and Steve Nardelli, including a certain amount of dispute. Some 'third parties' with expertise in psychedelic music would be valuable if anyone would like to come on over. Bondegezou ( talk) 17:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
There's a mention that The Beatles and Floyd were influencing each other on Sgt. Pepper and Pipers @ the Gates. Is there any valid source that can be cited to back this up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.214.116 ( talk) 21:20, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
they were recording right next to each other at the same time and i beleive that syd and floyd influenced the beatles as they were recording sgt. pepper's.
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Violarulez (
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03:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I have to object how you guys are a bit uninformed. The Beatles were in the studio recording Sgt Pepper starting November 1966 months before Pink Floyd ever got into the studio. The Beatles were already doing psychedelic music on Revolver in 1966. Syd Barrett was known to be influenced by the Beatles. [-- RigbyEleanor ( talk) 19:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)RigbyEleanor]
This is where the guitar solo came from maybe an Idea to mention it in the article? -- 84.85.201.54 ( talk) 21:03, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I have to object how you guys are a bit uninformed. The Beatles were in the studio recording Sgt Pepper starting November 1966 months before Pink Floyd ever got into the studio. The Beatles were already doing psychedelic music on Revolver in 1966. Syd Barrett was known to be influenced by the Beatles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RigbyEleanor ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
I have added merge tags to the page. These articles are all over lapping and contradicting each other. I'm not sure I would classify either Neo-psychedelia or Psychedelic_pop as distinct and different genres from Psychedelic rock. This article needs massive amounts of clean up and work. I propose both sub categories be redirected here and this article be heavily edited and re-written. Ridernyc ( talk) 12:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Oppose I don't think neo-psychadelia should be merged. These are different topics with extensive information. They can easily be separate articles. George Pelltier ( talk) 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Oppose; I don't think Psychedelic pop and Psychedelic rock should be merged. The two are distinct and different genres; in essence they are as distinctly different as Pop and Rock are, it just happens to be the psychedelic aspect of those genres that we're talking about. As such, merging the two would be like saying that Black Sabbath operate in the same genre as Herman's Hermits. There's a world of difference between Psychedelic rock bands (like the Blue Cheer for example) and The World of Oz (who were Psychedelic pop) for example. I do, however, agree that there seems to be a lot of crossover and contradiction in this and other related articles, and that they all need a good clean up. Kohoutek1138 14:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Waiting for sources to back up the statements people keep making. Ridernyc ( talk) 14:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Oppose, with vigor and determination. I admit that drawing the line in some cases will be tough, but it's got to be done. Would you call When the Music's Over by The Doors "Psychedelic Pop"? No way, it's "Psychedelic Rock". As for a tune like Itchycoo Park by the Small Faces, that's much more of a "Pop" tune with strong elements of the "Psychedelic" thrown in, both in the lyrics and the early phase-shifting sound. Both Wikipedia articles label them correctly; they are distinctly separate genres. Case closed, in my opinion. (Note: this is copied and pasted by the author from the request for discussion on this topic, we seem to have more than one discussion going.) Jusdafax ( talk) 07:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and to directly answer Jusda's example above, I'd call each of those songs (along with dozens of others) rock music, period. Rock has a huge variety of styles and variations; trying to parse them all is counting angels on pinheads. Jgm ( talk) 16:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough, Jgm, and your enhanced opinion and obliging moderation is noted. Thanks! Awaiting further opinion. Jusdafax ( talk) 22:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
No no no no no nooo! I strongly oppose merging. Pop is for those who wish they were rock but can't get close! Oasis & Pixie Lott are not the same thing. Oasis are rock, Pixie is pop. They are 2 completely different genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Don't look back in anger ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The author states that Itchycoo Park is the first song that uses "flanging". My understanding is that a flange is a device the bends guitar strings. Phasing is where two identical tracks are played just slightly out of time from each other to create a kind of white noise sound. There is an American pop single called The Big Hurt by Miss Toni Fisher from about 1960 that uses the same effect so it couldn't have been invented in 1967. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NerdyMcNerdstein ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
You are right about phasing. Flange is an electronic effect that mixes two signals. I think perhaps you are confusing this with a vibrato bar on a guitar (confusingly often called a trem or tremolo bar), which bends the strings. Such bars have been around since at least the 50s, but flange was new in the 60s, so the reference is probably correct.-- Sabrebd ( talk) 22:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Phasing and Flanging are similar effects. Phasing is where two identical tracks are played just slightly out of phase with each other, which involves an inaudible delay and results in that familar 'swooshing' sound. (Engineers particularly liked applying this to whole drum kits, bands like Hawkwind made notable use of it on rhythm guitar parts too.) Flanging is where two identical tracks are played with one signal being pitch-shifted against the other. The effect was originally achieved by applying friction to the flange of one or other of the tape reels, using a finger-tip to artificially slow the tape down fractionally. This also involves an equal amount of time-shift. Flanging became more popular in the 80s (particularly for guitar) with the advent of electronic foot-pedal effects boxes. That's my understanding, for a better definition, ask an engineer. Tim flatus ( talk) 13:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Psychedelic Rock had a pretty heavy influence from soul. If you listen to Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Vanilla Fudge, there is a noticeable undertone of Soul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.35.196 ( talk) 23:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
It is very hard to get support I am about to suggest as editors tend to see their own work disapearing, but here goes anyway. This article has grown by the adding of large numbers of facts and examples and in places has become simply an indiscriminate list of records/artists, rather against WP:INDISCRIMINATE, many of which have no sources to support their appearence. There are so many of these that I cannot see anyone being able to find valid sources to support them all. It is frankly extremely difficult to read and rather unencyclopedic. What I suggest is a radical re-writing that reduces it to a some concise sections that outline the major trends, with a few key examples, for each major trend. The lists of bands could be removed to an article on "List of Psychedelic rock artists", for reference. I ask fellow editors to consider whether this would actually be a much better article than the one visible at present.-- SabreBD ( talk) 09:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
As suggested in the opening, I would like to see the article "List of Psychedelic rock artists" still to be created. It could go in the "see also" section. I'd work on it gladly, but I want to get the opinions about to eras. How to section? Elitropia ( talk) 11:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Under Neo-Psychedelia, we should add Oasis's last albums, because on albums like Be Here Now, Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Dig Out Your Soul, there are quite many psychedelia influenced songs. For example:
Be Here Now has Magic Pie, D'You Know What I Mean? and All Around the World,
SotSoG has Who Feels Love?, Little James, I Can See A Liar and Gas Panic
Dig Out Your Soul has Falling Down and [Get Off Your] High Horse Lady.
And there are many more b-sides like Masterplan or their cover of The Beatles's I Am The Walrus.
I think we should definitely include Oasis as it is one of the few mainstream acts who embraced neo-psychedelia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.191.237.153 ( talk) 20:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I think Krautrock deserves far greater prominance in this article, there is a wealth of artists and albums from the very late sixties to the near mid seventies that would have represented the cutting edge of psychedlic music after the american/british hippy movement had faded. artists like the cosmic jokers, walter wegmuellers album tarot, amon duul, can, very early tangerine dream, faust, guru guru, ash ra temple and popol vuh made seriously wigged out psychedlic music that far outstrips the non-kraut psychedlia being made over the same period and has been far more influential on alternative music since. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.12.177 ( talk) 04:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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The article says that "Bob Dylan spearheaded the back-to-basics roots revival when he went to Nashville to record the album Blonde on Blonde." I'd have to say that this is completely incorrect. The music on this album may seem, after a superficial listen, to be quite country-blues influenced. but the lyrics are anything but back to roots. Lines about jelly faced women, dancing children in chinese suits, men with twenty pounds of headlines stapled to their chests, geranium kisses, leopard skin pillbox hats, or fog, amphetamine, and pearls.... not to mention that the opening track plays with double-entendres in the bit about "Everybody must get stoned." Blonde on Blonde is not a back to roots album - it's probably Dylan's most psychedelic, and I'll remove this sentence unless anyone has any major objections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muchachos9 ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Talk:Neo-psychedelia#Reviving this article. The summary here would remain (largely) unaffected.-- SabreBD ( talk) 09:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
How is that Bill Graham isn't mentioned? As the main promoter of SF's early psychedelic concerts and the impresario behind Fillmores on both coasts, he deserves at least two sentences, the sources for which abound. Allreet ( talk) 16:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
That Quietus article mentions psychedelic music as an impetus for their experimentation but never as as their actual genre. This quote from the gothic rock article sum it up best: "Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Cure tended to play the flanging guitar effect, producing a brittle, cold, and harsh sound that contrasted with their psychedelic rock predecessors" Simon Reynolds, 2005, page 426 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.207.92 ( talk) 07:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
I would like to be able to nominate this article for GA review and will be working on improving it over the next few weeks. If anyone can help with copy editing or pointing to any gaps in coverage or other issues, any help would be much appreciated.-- SabreBD ( talk) 10:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
How can the term British Invasion be used in relation to Britain - "Existing British Invasion acts" sic. ? Surely it could just read "Existing British acts..."?
What I mean is you wouldn't refer to the Doors or Jefferson's activities in Haight Ashbury as American Invasion acts so why refer to British acts activities on their home turf as British Invasion, an incredibly condescending term. 85.77.25.51 ( talk) 10:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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Looks quite interesting. Kudos for your improvements so far!
It appears at a glance that everything's been addressed. Should the article be passed? Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
See the Wikipedia:Cite, templates and particularly what is explained for "Simple citation". This is for user Sabrebd who changed the sources here for the bands, The Cure and The Glove. This must be presented in correct manual of style. I always take time to edit the sources correctly in standard presentation. So, if you could not mess my contributions, that would be fine. Woovee ( talk) 17:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
as I'm sure many of you are aware, the recent underground resurgence of psychedelic music is absolutely huge, with the past couple of years producing an astonishing amount of new psych rock. Is anyone qualified to add something to that effect here? 09:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.46.33 ( talk)
This is an article about psychedelic rock, not psychedelia in general. The Mandelbrot animation is not relevant here as it has not relationship to music. Its last two locations also go against the MOS guideline on sandwiching of text between images (see MOS:IMAGE). The fact is that this article has just about as many images at the text can hold.-- SabreBD ( talk) 14:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
The lead says "Psychedelic rock ... attempts to replicate and enhance the mind-altering experiences of psychedelic drugs." Are there sources for this? I know that psychedelic drugs and psychedelic rock are closely linked, but given that a number of psychedelic musicians did not take drugs, I wonder how accurate and helpful that closely focused statement is. This is purely anecdotal - I have not researched (came here to do that!) - but I assumed that psychedelic rock/music was the same as psychedelic drugs in that both were impacting on the mind in a way to alter consciousness. Mantras, sense deprivation, and breathing techniques can be psychedelic, but none of these are attempts to recreate drug experiences. I would accept that not all musicians were aiming for true psychedelic music - a number would be just copying what they liked, or felt was popular, and would be linking in with the drug culture rather more than the psychedelic one, and so deliberate drug references would used. It would seem to me that psychedelic rock/music might be a little vaguer and more varied than the lead would suggest. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:01, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I came to this page to also comment that the use of the term "replicate" came from "straight" journalists who assumed that if they heard weird sounds, then the idea was to create music that would "replicate the experience" for sober people. This idea was just part of the perspective of "straight" journalists trying to understand the counterculture.
Actually, psychedelic music was simply the music created by musicians in altered states. As such, it made sense to listeners in altered states, and just sounded weird to sober people.
No musicians ever thought that having a weird vibrato could replicate an altered state of mind.
Thus, the use of "replicate" throughout this article is just perpetuating a myth.
Anyone who thinks this is not true, should come up with interviews of Psychedelic musicians stating that they were trying to "replicate" - but I don't think those exist. 64.161.57.66 ( talk) 19:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
I propose that acid rock be merged into psychedelic rock. I think that the content in the acid rock article can easily be explained in the context of psychedelic rock, and the psychedelic rock article is of a reasonable size that the merging of acid rock will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 22:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I would argue that surf music and surf rock is one of the most important stylistic origins to psychedelic rock. The surf rock was probably the first genre where several different kinds of folk music, such as Middle Eastern, Arabic, Mexican and Hawaiian was incorporated into rock music, which arguably inspired the psychedelic rock music very much. Also I've heared some psychedelic musicians who say they were inspired by surf rock, in particular Dick Dale (who made a popular surf rock version of the Greek/Middle Eastern folk song Misirlou)
Am I right about this? I would have put surf music second to rock in the list of stylistic origins, in front of blues rock and jazz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WackoPsyco69orsomething ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I added the edit containing The Joker (Iran, early 1970s) to the International section. This adds to the article substantively. There were Asian bands that performed in the psychedelic style. Yet, User:Sabrebd removed the material, arguing that Lastfm was an illegitimate source. Can we get this mediated? This was the text: In Iran the Jokers were a pioneering psychedelic band, drawing influence from Cream and the MC5. These were the references I gave:
Dogru144 ( talk) 11:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Sources (which are limited) indicate that the band did not have a record label, were short-lived and little known, and their only album was recorded on tape in a garage in 1972 but not released until 2011. It was not released in Iran, but by the small Western label Fading Sunshine/Strawberry Rain with limited distribution. In the circumstances it is difficult to see how the band could have been pioneering. [3], [4], [5], [6]. When entering material on Wikipedia we need reliable sources, and we need editors who say what those sources say rather than add WP:Original research/subjective opinion in the form of phrasing such as "pioneering". SilkTork ✔Tea time 03:24, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I recommend to place a mention about Hungarian Galloping Coroners to the one of this section, as an interesting derivation of P.Rock. Galloping Coroners developed an own, unique "psychedelic hardcore" style, and as they admitted, they were deeply impressed by early Pink Floyd especially by The Piper at the Gates of Dawn and early krautrock bands like Amon Düül, Ash Ra Temple, Sun Ra. Dear Editors, please check GA, and share your opinion here! Thanks, -- Harom65 ( talk) 11:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't know this Galloping Coroners but i'm sure they're more important than Beatles in developing psychedelic rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.234.228.28 ( talk) 17:10, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Musique concrete was definitely an inspiration on later psychedelic rock bands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:199:4100:692C:69B7:91D3:5654:F78E ( talk) 05:30, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Ilovetopaint, can we discuss the issue here. I was all ready to ask for a third opinion, but the instructions are clear there, about the need for a talk page discussion first. I'm astounded by your latest comment, from all I've read about the reaction to "Norwegian Wood" at the time, the influence the song had on other Western musicians, and the resulting popularity that came Ravi Shankar's way (as he freely acknowledged). Back to the article (and as mentioned in a couple of my edits/reverts), specifically under Characteristics: "Major features [of psychedelic rock] include … non-Western instruments, specifically those originally used in Indian classical music such as the sitar and tabla." So how, would you say, can a mention that the first released recording with an Indian sitar part, played by a Western rock musician (separate from the point that other bands had tried to imitate the sound) not merit inclusion? JG66 ( talk) 19:02, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I object to the tag bombing that disfigured the article. A section or overall article tag would be more appropriate. If the tagger has time to identify all the areas they find objectionable, they have time to fix the article to their liking, not just walk away, leaving an unencyclopedic mess. Jus da fax 09:20, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
To clarify WP:UNDUE
Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources. Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight mean that articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects.
The following albums are mentioned:
None of the text elaborates upon these examples other than to say "they exist". Thus, further explanation is needed. Did they actually develop the genre? I'm not sure. I don't think so. Some of these are nice albums, indeed, but what did they do that was different from their predecessors? I'd rather have left it up for someone else to figure out.-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 20:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
The Piper is by far the most important album of british psychedelia. Some of the other mentioned are fairly important, but sure not milestones. The first Fairport Convention album is hardly noteworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 17:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
If interested, please offer support for a WikiProject focused on psychedelic music.-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 01:47, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Beatles are irrilevant on this page, you should remove it. They didn't influence psychedelic music, they didn't make psychedelic music, let alone art/avant/prog music. They only influenced Coldplay and Oasis. -- 151.51.124.56 ( talk) 15:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
It's irrelevant that I'm a "fan" of Dylan, but I take issue with putting any of his material into the "psychedelic" category, as it contains none of the key elements. I contend that nothing other than perhaps a passing mention in terms of "influence" is warranted. Whomever supports the concept that Dylan's music was in any way "psychedelic", I ask in GF that you substantially elaborate. Best wishes! Learner001 ( talk) 17:33, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
pls remove beatles from this page 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 21:11, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
The fact that they popularised psych rock, doesn't make them psych rock musicians. In Italy Giovanni Allevi popularized classical music, this doesn't make him a classical composer.
Most of that weren't psychedelic songs, in fact they were pop ditties with psychedelic studio effect, which is very different. Very few of them meets the requirements and anyway they didn't break new ground at all. Their contribution to the history of psych rock is very little, they contribution to it's development is inexistent. But it seems they are the band that is named more often in this page. Bands that have given much more considerable effort are not even mentioned.
Too bad most of the sources on which Wikipedia rely for rock music are written for the purpose of selling more records, not giving accurate informations. 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 15:58, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
quoting: "...If you ask me, I would have said there were a ton of garage/surf/freak scenes between 1961–65 that set the stage for psyche rock. But nobody seems to ever trace psychedelia that far. I've looked. People who write about this topic do tend to skew it in favor of pop groups after '66. I believe this is because "psychedelic rock" is too loose of a term. Its scope is usually limited to jammy hard rock from 1967–69 rather than a style of rock music that evokes a kind of dissociation"
i agree "psychedelic rock" is too lose of a term, but i believe there are some certain key points in it's history that denote some specific innovations in playing and songwriting. Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Doors, 13th Floor Elevators, Red Crayola, Velvet Underground, Silver Apples and early Pink Floyd were really groundbreaking. The few Beatles songs that fit into the psychedelic rock genre pales in comparison with them and also with countless other not so groundbreaking musicians that were still able to cut real psychedelic records (Love, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Deviants, Hawkwind, etc.)
Beach Boys are even less relevant in this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 14:14, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
You said that "psychedelic rock" is a loose term. Inclusion in a music genre also comes from the historical and cultural context. The United States of America is a good record, probably more "art" than "psych", but it would deserve a mention, more or less like it does Frank Zappa's debut which came much earlier. Actually the fact that it sounds more conventional makes it less interesing to me. I think that this page would be more exhaustive if it would mention those less conventional records that pushed forward the evolution of the genre, than those hundreds of conventional records that sounded more or less the same, or worse, a selection of those conventional records that happened to top the charts with very conservative and traditional songs plus a few utterly naive experiments like "Tomorrow Never Knows" and such. -- 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 23:14, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Sure Byrds (and many others, included Beatles) were heavily influenced by Beach Boys, but i don't think this makes Beach Boys a psych band. Byrds took non-psych influences (Beach Boys, Bob Dylan) and turned them into a psychedelic form of music (Elevators were influenced by Howlin' Wolf, this doesn't make him a psych musician).
But which are the "so many" psyche rock musicians that imitated the Beatles? I probably can't name any of them. Psychedelic rock was already full of eastern-sounding music and drug-related lyrics way before the harmonic bungle of "Within You Without You" and the silly semi-explicit reference to hallucinogens of "Lucy in The Sky with Diamonds". Their relevance to the topic has much more with popularizing the genre to a wider audience, than influencing other artists.
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Why does this sentence need a citation?
"Bands such as The Smashing Pumpkins and Tool fused psychedelic rock sounds with heavy metal, becoming highly successful alternative rock acts in the 1990s."
I'm going to remove it since I don't think we need a citation to prove that Smashing Pumpkins and Tool both use tremendous amounts of production effects and employ extended or untraditional song structures for some of their songs. TorbenFrost 20:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I really don't think the listeners of psychedelic rock are small or a cult =\ changing this.
This section contains songs that were never singles. Should we change this section name to Songs instead?
Kurrgo master of planet x 18:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Their first album is hardly Psychedelicx... i'm removing it Steve
Ok, 2 things...
about the beach boys, the page reads: "In 1966, responding to the Beatles' innovations, they produced their album Pet Sounds..." this isnt really true... in fact, pet sounds inspired the beatles more than it was inspired BY them. pet sounds came out before sgt peppers and was the main inspiration behind it, according to mccartney and george martin. mccartney says that pet sounds is his all time favorite album and "god only knows" is his favorite song. also, perhaps the page should discuss the similarities between the beach boys and the beatles, and what these traits meant for psychedelia (use of string/orchestra arrangements, extensive multitracking, lots of harmonies, etc).
Yes but the Beatles Rubber Soul influenced Pet Sounds first. Pet Sounds is not really a Psychedelic album anyway. Whereas Revolver uses psychedelic influences backward guitars, exotic Indian drones, tape loops as well as avant Influences like "Tomorrow Never Knows". Rubber Soul shows Psychedelic influences in Rubber Soul with tracks like the " The Word" and sitar driven " Norwegian Wood" which predates Pet Sounds. Pet Sounds is more known for it's arrangements but it's more related to Baroque pop which the Beatles flirted with " Yesterday" in 1965.
another thing.... "The psychedelic influence was also felt in black music" This paragraph only really discussses the influence on soul/r&b... psychedelia had a big impact on funk as well, as sly and the family stone were pretty much a part of the psychedelic movement (they were, after all, woodstock performers). psychedelic artists also had a big impact on reggae. bob marley and lee perry had been fans of psychedelic rock and their collaborations (prior to marley's signing to island records) show this influence. lee perry's later work in dub had lots of psychedelic influence, with the use of lots of multitracking, experimental recording/miking setups, samples, and hendrix-esque effects such as delay lines and phasers (lots of dub effects had been used a ton in psychedelic rock; the phaser pretty much came from psychedelia as it was derived from the ADT that ken townshend and john lennon came up with).
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Changed "...and recently invented "trippy" electronic effects such as distortion..."
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"...and "trippy" electronic effects such as distortion..."
because most trippy electronic effects have been around in one form or another since (at-least) the 1950s.
"which contains the track 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds', the initials of which spell out LSD" -- band members have specifically denied this is anything other than a coincidence -- user:Daniel C. Boyer
Odd that someone picked "Pictures of Lily" as an example of The Who's psychedelia when much more familiar examples such as "I Can See for Miles And Miles", "Magic Bus", and the "Underture" from Tommy are ready to hand. B.Bryant 16:02 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC)
Well, that got quick results, so now let's try the Rolling Stones. I'm admittedly not very familiar with their early material, but I'm surprised that nothing on Their Satanic Majesties Request is mentioned as a part of their psychedelic contribution. B.Bryant 16:37 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC)
By whom? I have never heard psychotic used as the name of a musical style. This may be a joke. --- Ihcoyc
I hope nobody minds my "Music Samples" bit. I'll (hopefully) develop it more in time and implement it into other genre pages. The samples are from Amazon.com - should I upload them to WikiMedia? Also, how do you align the graph with the top of the text? - Archagon 22:35, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You'll notice that I cut some details for consolidation, streamlining, and balance of detail. IMO there is still too much about the Beach Boys: though the material is relevant, it's far out of proportion to the brief mention everyone else gets. If we want more detail then IMO we should add some sections for them. For example, we could move the musical characteristics to its own section and then give a list of "classic" psychedelic songs that illustrate each one. As for band-specific details, we could add a section with per-band subsections, but IMO that is best left to the bands' own pages and the list of psychedelic music artists. — B.Bryant 23:22, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
what is the difference between acid rock and psychedelic rock? the acid rock article itself only redirects to the psychedelic rock article.
Psychedlic rock and acid rock are NOT the same thing. Acid rock is characterized by long jams sometimes without lyrics and by songs which sometimes lack a traditional pop song structure. It would later give way to progressive rock in the early seventies. Psychedelic rock had songs which still retain a traditional structure. Pink Floyd is a good example of a band that played both styles. Their early material is clearly Psychedlic rock but by 1970 they were an acid rock band.
I remember this exact same debate back in 1967. My opinion is they were two names for the same music. Labels like these are usually concocted by the media and are purely arbitrary in nature.
Seems the debate itself is now rock history. Aimulti ( talk) 08:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
""I remember this exact same debate back in 1967"" if you were there you are not supposed to remember it. I cannot find musicologists that distinguish acid rock from psychedlic rock. I agree that acid rock article should be merged into here, a redirection put in and a clear explanation added.-- Sabrebd ( talk) 10:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
First a disclaimer: I'm a Pink Floyd fanatic so if this comes off as a little whiny, my apologies. For those of you maintaining this page, you should look into this a little more closely.
I'm somewhat taken aback at how Pink Floyd is presented on this page as an afterthought. In the UK, the psychedelic movement was an underground thing for several years before exploding into the mainstream, and Pink Floyd was often considered the most prominent band in that movement (this was long before they were famous.) They were sometimes thought of as the "house band of the psychedelic underground." Their shows contained many firsts that were later used by other bands, including the use of oil slide projections. They were also pioneers of stage lighting and augmenting on-stage performances with unusual audio effects. It's likely that a lot of famous bands like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones took a few cues from Pink Floyd (some of these band members were sighted in the audience of early Floyd shows.) In some respect, Pink Floyd got the ball rolling in terms of British psychedelic music and led the way. To see them tagged on to the end of a paragraph here as "also representative" is a massive discredit to what they did.
As to the previous comment about Pink Floyd, whoever you are I agree with you. Why don't you add some pink floyd info in?
Tool is at the forefront of modern psychedelic rock experimentation. But oddly no one mentioned Tool, so I put a little sentence about them and a link. Most bands such as Grateful Dead aren't really psychedelic they were just over glorified pop idols from the 60's. Tool ar not at the forefront of anything except pretentious neu-metal. They have a lot of dork fans and therefore a large internet presence but nothing to do with psychedelia aside from the marijuana intake of their "cult". I'm no deadhead but to say they were just pop idols is ridiculous. Albums like "Anthem of the Sun" are surely psychedelic and live they were quite experimental and LSD-experience-oriented. If any band is over-glorified (while simultaneously laughed at by those outside the cult) it is the dour, monotonous Tool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.245.212 ( talk) 05:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
First of all, Love Buzz was a cover. Secondly, is it really psychedelic? I wouldn't say so.
If we are going to say that Sgt. Peppers was a poor example of 60s Psychadelic Music (which it was) why are we even mentioning it in the article.
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Revolver was released in August of 1966 and "
Tomorrow Never Knows" was recorded in April of 1966 when
Pink Floyd released their first record in 1967.
Jefferson Airplane
Surrealistic Pillow was released in Feb of 1967 the same month the Beatles overtly Psychedelic "
Strawberry Fields Forever". So the Beatles basically helped put Psychedelic Rock before Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane.
Sgt Pepper was more influential to
Progressive Rock and Art Rock. —Preceding
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sgt. peppers is not a very important psychedelic album. important, yes, but not for psychedelic rock. piper, surrealistic pillow, are you experienced?, easter everywhere... and many more albums are more notable psychedelic albums than sgt. peppers. -- Violarulez ( talk) 03:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I love this revisionist history of course Sgt Pepper was an important album for psychedelic rock as it only might be the most influential rock album. The structure, the experimentation with things not normally associated with rock and pop music was an influence on most bands at the time. [[-- RigbyEleanor ( talk) 19:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)RigbyEleanor]]
In order to write for wikipedia I had to learn to get my own opinions out of the way. Under wikipedia rules 'Sgt Pepper' IS notable. End of. Tim flatus ( talk) 13:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
"While the first musicians to be influenced by psychedelic drugs were in the jazz and folk scenes" should presumably say "the first twentieth century musicians", as musicians have probably been finding ways to get out of it ever since music first happened. Anyway, late 19th century Ottoman music was heavily influenced by hashish, as was Rebetiko in the 20th Century... The Real Walrus 23:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
This article states that sgt Peppers was the first psychedelic album. That is a common mistake; the first album, that could be call "psychedelic" (in rock music at least) is the beach boys "Pet sounds". The article even claims that the last one was influenced by the beatles, when it was released before sgt peppers, and Mc cartney himself acknowledge the influence of "pet sounds " on sgt peppers.
actually first album was by the 13th Floor Elevators was the first psychedellic album. It's even called "The Psychedellic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators".
How about The Deep? Pat Kilroy? The Byrds? Alan Watt's "This is It" from 1961 is considered by many the first psychedelic LP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.245.212 ( talk) 05:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Added information about the dutch band Group 1850. It is quite lonely right now, we should try to find other non-US/Britain Psychedelic bands. Reko 23:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Just one sample is not representative of all psychedelic music. At least some Pink Floyd, Peppers-era Beatles, or Jefferson Airplane is essential. -- 68.107.44.241 03:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
One group that seems missing here is Canada's Mahogany Rush, with Frank Marino who proclaims himself as a psychedelic rocker in a promo video:
The first two albums came out in 72 and 74 and Maxoom and Child of the Novelty fit the bill exactly, check out the cover of Child of the Novelty.
Dwaink 03:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Why is there a whole section on the Beatles and not one on bands that were probably more influential on psychedelia than them such as Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane.
First Revolver was released in August of 1966 and "Tomorrow Never Knows" was recorded in April of 1966 when Pink Floyd released their first record in 1967. Jefferson Airplane Surrealistic Pillow was released in Feb of 1967 the same month the Beatles overtly Psychedelic "Strawberry Fields Forever". So the Beatles basically helped put Psychedelic Rock before Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane. Sgt Pepper was more influential to Progressive Rock and Art Rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydfloyds12 ( talk • contribs) 21:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
The bealtes are in NO way the most psychedelic or influential to psychedlic music. pink floyd, jefferson airplane, the byrds, 13th floor elevators... and much more are more psychedlic. and psychedelically influential -- Violarulez ( talk) 03:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if others might be more psychedelic. The Beatles are easily one of the most influential psychedelic bands as many will say Revovler is one of the first psychedelic albums. Many of the elements of psychedelic rock like the sitar, backward guitars and vocals, loops, feedback, and the psychedelic use of the studio instrument was introduced by the Beatles. -- RigbyEleanor ( talk) 19:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)RigbyEleanor
This article is verging on the edge of communal Original Research. It needs some references and sources to support and justify the whole thing. Are there any books or articles on this genre? SorrowD 17:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Would it be useful to discuss/add album cover art as an important section of this article?
http://www.tim-rose.co.uk/music.htm#bigthreelive is a possible early consideration(63') and there are tons of covers afterwards that might lend themselves to an understanding of what the genre was all about.
-- Dwaink 02:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Parts of this article seem to focus on psychedelic music as a whole instead of psychedelic rock in particular. There are many occasions where the terms "psychedelic music", "pop music" or "psychedelia" are used instead of psychedelic rock. Therefore I suggest the article (most importantly the characteristics section) be trimmed and its focus narrowed. ... Superfopp 14:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
They should be added somewhere in here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.20.103 ( talk) 19:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Definitely considered a major group in the 1990s Psychedelic Rock revival...they deserve a mention, especially since band member Rob Campanella's two other bands (Beachwood Sparks and The Tyde) are on there.
Notice the band's Wiki, they should be added by someone that's good with editing (not me). Also check out that list of "Descendents"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Jonestown_Massacre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.232.33 ( talk) 17:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The Brian Jonestown Massacre is overtly psychedelic andwcouldn't be considered shoegazer except on there first album. In addition to that, there are dozens of past band members, many of whom have gone on to other quite psychedelic bands all taking a little of BJM's influence. If Smashing Pumpkins and Tool get a mention along with all that electronica than the BJM, there affiliate's and I would like to add The Dandy Warhols should get at least a paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.64.31.2 ( talk) 02:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
It makes sense to make five main sections - 60's; 70's; '80's; 90's; and '00's. The 'Australasia' para should be cut down and included in the rest of the world. I'd actually go futher and suggest that sub-paragraphs should deal with sub-genres rather than regions. The Gong Family of bands stretches over five continents, for example. I could add a decent overview of the '70's before the neo-psychedelia section, which is coherent with the '80's, of course. Tim flatus ( talk) 10:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I added an overview. Open to comments. Tim flatus ( talk) 22:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I found this section very poor and lacking in any knowledge of the topic other than citing the most famous albums and artists.
Omissions include: -
No discussion of how Folk Rock evolved into Psychedelic Rock. No reference to the clubs that initiated the Psychedelic revolution, namely Middle Earth, The Arts Lab, UFO and the Roundhouse. No reference to the artists and the lightshows like Marc Boyle. No reference to the major role disc jockey, John Peel played. (Almost single handed exposing the music) No reference to the pirate radio stations. No reference to the hard core Psychedelic bands like Hawkwind and Arthur Brown No reference to International Times (IT) and Oz magazine.
I would like to rewrite this section but it will require major work to fully reference.
Aimulti ( talk) 11:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually you are incorrect.
Fairport Convention and
Crazy World of Arthur Brown both date back to 1967. Fire (CWAB) was a hit in 1968. I will be working on this section (more) soon. Look forward to your input. Best wishes.
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"Psychedelic rock in Britain, in common with its American counterpart had its roots in the Folk rock genre. In much the same way that The Great Society and the original Jefferson Airplane were electrified folk bands, the same was true of early psychedelic bands in the Britain such as Fairport Convention". - sorry to say there is a serious misunderstanding here. Fairport were not an electrified folk band, they were a folkified electric band, at most they flirted with Psychedelia. Much as I am a fan I have removed them and tried to put together a paragraph from the references to folk and folk rock. I will try to add more references when I can -- Sabrebd ( talk) 16:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I just did a major rewrite of this section: reorganised into a better date order, checked links and added a whole lot more information. I'm aware of its shortcomings, so please feel free to improve upon it. Tim flatus ( talk) 23:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
OK. Trying again, line-by-line. I have started by re-arranging the paragraphs to give a better chronology and made a couple of corrections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim flatus ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have started on the re-write of this section. It is a work in progress and I will add more references over the next few days and expand it to fully cover the topic.
(Editors) Please allow me a little slack (a few days or so) as referencing all assertions takes considerable time.
Aimulti ( talk) 08:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed lately a lot of people don't regard songs without drug references as psychedelic songs. This is completely wrong, lyrics and the band's use of drugs are not the only criteria to define a song as psychedelic (like when someone in the acid rock discussion page that Pink Floyd are not a psychedelic rock band because they don't use drugs (which is wrong too, but never mind). Another example is the song The Fool on the Hill, which is not considered here a psych rock song (I've added the genre to the list but it was removed, the rational being that it contains no drug references). -- ~Magnolia Fen ( talk) 07:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Quote: "...the first use of the term "psychedelic" in popular music was by the "acid-folk" group The Holy Modal Rounders in 1964, with the song "Hesitation Blues"...." Are you sure that this is a serious information and and not a widespread but wrong information by lysergia.com? I found the complete lyrics here: Holy Modal Rounders - Hesitation Blues and there is no "psychedelic" and there is also nothing like "...I got my psychedelic feet/In my psychedelic shoes/Oh lordy momma/I got the psychedelic blues..." as quoted at lysergia. I have only listen to a 30 sec. sample of "Hesitation Blues" and it seems the lysergia lyrics belong to a completely different track and/or artist. Does anyone have serious information about this (or much better heard the complete track)?-- 77.25.46.178 ( talk) 11:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I just listened to it. The lyrics in that first link appear to be correct and complete. He does indeed mention psychodelic feet in psychodelic shoes towards the end of the version. Tim flatus ( talk) 15:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I added a reliable reference for this, which should put the issue to bed.-- Sabrebd ( talk) 11:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I'd really like to get rid of the Refimprove and Essay-like Flags at the top of the article. This page has changed considerably since Dec 2007. We have two unresolved facts:
Can we think about re-writing these if references can't be come by?
Beyond that, it might be useful to get a more experienced editor to have a look over the page and point out what kinds of statements need cleaning up and places that additional citations would help at this point. Or indeed whether the flags can be regarded as out-of-date now. Do any of the other currently active editors need more time before we put out for more critical advice?
I'm up for trying to nail these references. Tim flatus ( talk) 13:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Why is there's no mention of freakbeat in this article (I think that's important as it was the genre that bridged Beat and Psyche)? I would like to know what the difference is between Freak and Psyche. Atm I'm the only way i'm differing the 2 is that Freakbeat most of the time has stormy drums, The Who-like guitar chords and an R&B beat, feedback, fuzz, distortion, chaos and mayhem. But sometimes it can be really fuzzy if it's freak or psyche (or Garage Rock).
Also wasn't the guitarist from the archetype freakbeat band The Creation earlier with experimenting guitar with a bow?
Another question, the term freakbeat was conceived 20 years later before then, what they call it? I heard Mod Psychedelia, but I've got my doubts.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Loempiavreter ( talk • contribs) 07:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I've heard that before though in an article I've read about Freakbeat, is that Freakbeat ain't an reaction on a reaction but a mere evolution. Garage Rock is an reaction on the Beat & R&B sounds of britain, but Freakbeat is an evolution on that. So I doubt it's the British equilivant of the US Garage Rock. An Top 30 Freakbeat Article also had songs listed from my country, The Netherlands, Iceland, Ireland and even an American band stationed in Germany.
Just let me take a few songs considerd Freakbeat: http://media.putfile.com/The-Buzz---Your-Holding-Me-Down---FREAKBEAT http://media.putfile.com/The-SyndicatsCrawdaddy-SimoneFreakbeat http://media.putfile.com/Wimple-Winch---Save-My-Soul---FREAKBEAT http://media.putfile.com/Mickey-Finn---Garden-Of-My-Mind---FREAKBEAT http://media.putfile.com/Alan-Pounds-Get-Rich---Searching-in-the-Wilderness---Freakbeat
VS the Garage Rock Sounds: http://media.putfile.com/The-Unrelated-Segments---The-Story-Of-My-Life---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Magic-Mushroom---Im-Gone---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Pleasure-Seekers---What-A-Way-To-Die---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Ugly-Ducklings---Nothin---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Castaways---Liar-Liar---GARAGE-ROCK
I find the sound to different to call it British Garage Rock. Freakbeat have storming wild drumming, more guitar experimentation and is overall more crazy (also I've heard a few Freakbeat songs experimenting with a horn section). Garage Rock on the other hand is more RAW (and most the time have some scream, which I will dub the Garage scream for now), amateurish.
Seems the Freakbeat songs follow a "My Generation" (by the Who) song structure, http://youtube.com/watch?v=YdRs1gKpeGg , or maybe the song itself is an mostly uncredited Freakbeat song but the wild storming drums and the song going crazy at the end, though Wiki states it as "Hard Rock, Rock, pop, R&B"?
Loempiavreter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loempiavreter ( talk • contribs) 15:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this article should go there. George Harrison's death is a really good place for the History to stop. Surely both QotSA and Wolfmother are notable in heir own ways. I don't care who was the most successful, I want to know why they are relevant to psychedelia.
PS: If English isn't your first language please use a spell/grammar checker and try to write in the same tense as the rest of the section. I don't mind editing it when I get time, but I'm likely to be fairly ruthless. Some editors would simply revert it. (this comment particularly refers to some other recent edits) Tim flatus ( talk) 13:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
is not part of the Elephant 6 Collective. (although I can see how the names are misleading). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.66.251 ( talk) 06:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Where is Led Zeppelin in this article??? they were a major psychedelic band in their early years especially!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.206.40 ( talk) 18:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I also agree with Peter. Though I, personally, consider Dazed and Confused and Misty Mountain Hop to be acid rock (a psych sub-genre), not many other people do, and I can understand why, and as far as their other songs go, I have no idea how they could be considered psychedelic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.115.212 ( talk) 22:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
It is Impossilbe to go to sleep with this kind of music. Marshall T. Williams ( talk) 00:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
listening to songs like 'saucerful of secrets' and 'interstellar overdrive' help me go to sleep. i really enjoy it. :) -- Violarulez ( talk) 03:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
There's been a wave of editing activity around The Syn and Steve Nardelli, including a certain amount of dispute. Some 'third parties' with expertise in psychedelic music would be valuable if anyone would like to come on over. Bondegezou ( talk) 17:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
There's a mention that The Beatles and Floyd were influencing each other on Sgt. Pepper and Pipers @ the Gates. Is there any valid source that can be cited to back this up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.214.116 ( talk) 21:20, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
they were recording right next to each other at the same time and i beleive that syd and floyd influenced the beatles as they were recording sgt. pepper's.
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Violarulez (
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I have to object how you guys are a bit uninformed. The Beatles were in the studio recording Sgt Pepper starting November 1966 months before Pink Floyd ever got into the studio. The Beatles were already doing psychedelic music on Revolver in 1966. Syd Barrett was known to be influenced by the Beatles. [-- RigbyEleanor ( talk) 19:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)RigbyEleanor]
This is where the guitar solo came from maybe an Idea to mention it in the article? -- 84.85.201.54 ( talk) 21:03, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I have to object how you guys are a bit uninformed. The Beatles were in the studio recording Sgt Pepper starting November 1966 months before Pink Floyd ever got into the studio. The Beatles were already doing psychedelic music on Revolver in 1966. Syd Barrett was known to be influenced by the Beatles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RigbyEleanor ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
I have added merge tags to the page. These articles are all over lapping and contradicting each other. I'm not sure I would classify either Neo-psychedelia or Psychedelic_pop as distinct and different genres from Psychedelic rock. This article needs massive amounts of clean up and work. I propose both sub categories be redirected here and this article be heavily edited and re-written. Ridernyc ( talk) 12:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Oppose I don't think neo-psychadelia should be merged. These are different topics with extensive information. They can easily be separate articles. George Pelltier ( talk) 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Oppose; I don't think Psychedelic pop and Psychedelic rock should be merged. The two are distinct and different genres; in essence they are as distinctly different as Pop and Rock are, it just happens to be the psychedelic aspect of those genres that we're talking about. As such, merging the two would be like saying that Black Sabbath operate in the same genre as Herman's Hermits. There's a world of difference between Psychedelic rock bands (like the Blue Cheer for example) and The World of Oz (who were Psychedelic pop) for example. I do, however, agree that there seems to be a lot of crossover and contradiction in this and other related articles, and that they all need a good clean up. Kohoutek1138 14:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Waiting for sources to back up the statements people keep making. Ridernyc ( talk) 14:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Oppose, with vigor and determination. I admit that drawing the line in some cases will be tough, but it's got to be done. Would you call When the Music's Over by The Doors "Psychedelic Pop"? No way, it's "Psychedelic Rock". As for a tune like Itchycoo Park by the Small Faces, that's much more of a "Pop" tune with strong elements of the "Psychedelic" thrown in, both in the lyrics and the early phase-shifting sound. Both Wikipedia articles label them correctly; they are distinctly separate genres. Case closed, in my opinion. (Note: this is copied and pasted by the author from the request for discussion on this topic, we seem to have more than one discussion going.) Jusdafax ( talk) 07:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and to directly answer Jusda's example above, I'd call each of those songs (along with dozens of others) rock music, period. Rock has a huge variety of styles and variations; trying to parse them all is counting angels on pinheads. Jgm ( talk) 16:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough, Jgm, and your enhanced opinion and obliging moderation is noted. Thanks! Awaiting further opinion. Jusdafax ( talk) 22:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
No no no no no nooo! I strongly oppose merging. Pop is for those who wish they were rock but can't get close! Oasis & Pixie Lott are not the same thing. Oasis are rock, Pixie is pop. They are 2 completely different genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Don't look back in anger ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The author states that Itchycoo Park is the first song that uses "flanging". My understanding is that a flange is a device the bends guitar strings. Phasing is where two identical tracks are played just slightly out of time from each other to create a kind of white noise sound. There is an American pop single called The Big Hurt by Miss Toni Fisher from about 1960 that uses the same effect so it couldn't have been invented in 1967. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NerdyMcNerdstein ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
You are right about phasing. Flange is an electronic effect that mixes two signals. I think perhaps you are confusing this with a vibrato bar on a guitar (confusingly often called a trem or tremolo bar), which bends the strings. Such bars have been around since at least the 50s, but flange was new in the 60s, so the reference is probably correct.-- Sabrebd ( talk) 22:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Phasing and Flanging are similar effects. Phasing is where two identical tracks are played just slightly out of phase with each other, which involves an inaudible delay and results in that familar 'swooshing' sound. (Engineers particularly liked applying this to whole drum kits, bands like Hawkwind made notable use of it on rhythm guitar parts too.) Flanging is where two identical tracks are played with one signal being pitch-shifted against the other. The effect was originally achieved by applying friction to the flange of one or other of the tape reels, using a finger-tip to artificially slow the tape down fractionally. This also involves an equal amount of time-shift. Flanging became more popular in the 80s (particularly for guitar) with the advent of electronic foot-pedal effects boxes. That's my understanding, for a better definition, ask an engineer. Tim flatus ( talk) 13:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Psychedelic Rock had a pretty heavy influence from soul. If you listen to Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Vanilla Fudge, there is a noticeable undertone of Soul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.35.196 ( talk) 23:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
It is very hard to get support I am about to suggest as editors tend to see their own work disapearing, but here goes anyway. This article has grown by the adding of large numbers of facts and examples and in places has become simply an indiscriminate list of records/artists, rather against WP:INDISCRIMINATE, many of which have no sources to support their appearence. There are so many of these that I cannot see anyone being able to find valid sources to support them all. It is frankly extremely difficult to read and rather unencyclopedic. What I suggest is a radical re-writing that reduces it to a some concise sections that outline the major trends, with a few key examples, for each major trend. The lists of bands could be removed to an article on "List of Psychedelic rock artists", for reference. I ask fellow editors to consider whether this would actually be a much better article than the one visible at present.-- SabreBD ( talk) 09:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
As suggested in the opening, I would like to see the article "List of Psychedelic rock artists" still to be created. It could go in the "see also" section. I'd work on it gladly, but I want to get the opinions about to eras. How to section? Elitropia ( talk) 11:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Under Neo-Psychedelia, we should add Oasis's last albums, because on albums like Be Here Now, Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Dig Out Your Soul, there are quite many psychedelia influenced songs. For example:
Be Here Now has Magic Pie, D'You Know What I Mean? and All Around the World,
SotSoG has Who Feels Love?, Little James, I Can See A Liar and Gas Panic
Dig Out Your Soul has Falling Down and [Get Off Your] High Horse Lady.
And there are many more b-sides like Masterplan or their cover of The Beatles's I Am The Walrus.
I think we should definitely include Oasis as it is one of the few mainstream acts who embraced neo-psychedelia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.191.237.153 ( talk) 20:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I think Krautrock deserves far greater prominance in this article, there is a wealth of artists and albums from the very late sixties to the near mid seventies that would have represented the cutting edge of psychedlic music after the american/british hippy movement had faded. artists like the cosmic jokers, walter wegmuellers album tarot, amon duul, can, very early tangerine dream, faust, guru guru, ash ra temple and popol vuh made seriously wigged out psychedlic music that far outstrips the non-kraut psychedlia being made over the same period and has been far more influential on alternative music since. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.12.177 ( talk) 04:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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The article says that "Bob Dylan spearheaded the back-to-basics roots revival when he went to Nashville to record the album Blonde on Blonde." I'd have to say that this is completely incorrect. The music on this album may seem, after a superficial listen, to be quite country-blues influenced. but the lyrics are anything but back to roots. Lines about jelly faced women, dancing children in chinese suits, men with twenty pounds of headlines stapled to their chests, geranium kisses, leopard skin pillbox hats, or fog, amphetamine, and pearls.... not to mention that the opening track plays with double-entendres in the bit about "Everybody must get stoned." Blonde on Blonde is not a back to roots album - it's probably Dylan's most psychedelic, and I'll remove this sentence unless anyone has any major objections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muchachos9 ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Talk:Neo-psychedelia#Reviving this article. The summary here would remain (largely) unaffected.-- SabreBD ( talk) 09:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
How is that Bill Graham isn't mentioned? As the main promoter of SF's early psychedelic concerts and the impresario behind Fillmores on both coasts, he deserves at least two sentences, the sources for which abound. Allreet ( talk) 16:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
That Quietus article mentions psychedelic music as an impetus for their experimentation but never as as their actual genre. This quote from the gothic rock article sum it up best: "Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Cure tended to play the flanging guitar effect, producing a brittle, cold, and harsh sound that contrasted with their psychedelic rock predecessors" Simon Reynolds, 2005, page 426 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.207.92 ( talk) 07:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
I would like to be able to nominate this article for GA review and will be working on improving it over the next few weeks. If anyone can help with copy editing or pointing to any gaps in coverage or other issues, any help would be much appreciated.-- SabreBD ( talk) 10:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
How can the term British Invasion be used in relation to Britain - "Existing British Invasion acts" sic. ? Surely it could just read "Existing British acts..."?
What I mean is you wouldn't refer to the Doors or Jefferson's activities in Haight Ashbury as American Invasion acts so why refer to British acts activities on their home turf as British Invasion, an incredibly condescending term. 85.77.25.51 ( talk) 10:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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Looks quite interesting. Kudos for your improvements so far!
It appears at a glance that everything's been addressed. Should the article be passed? Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
See the Wikipedia:Cite, templates and particularly what is explained for "Simple citation". This is for user Sabrebd who changed the sources here for the bands, The Cure and The Glove. This must be presented in correct manual of style. I always take time to edit the sources correctly in standard presentation. So, if you could not mess my contributions, that would be fine. Woovee ( talk) 17:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
as I'm sure many of you are aware, the recent underground resurgence of psychedelic music is absolutely huge, with the past couple of years producing an astonishing amount of new psych rock. Is anyone qualified to add something to that effect here? 09:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.46.33 ( talk)
This is an article about psychedelic rock, not psychedelia in general. The Mandelbrot animation is not relevant here as it has not relationship to music. Its last two locations also go against the MOS guideline on sandwiching of text between images (see MOS:IMAGE). The fact is that this article has just about as many images at the text can hold.-- SabreBD ( talk) 14:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
The lead says "Psychedelic rock ... attempts to replicate and enhance the mind-altering experiences of psychedelic drugs." Are there sources for this? I know that psychedelic drugs and psychedelic rock are closely linked, but given that a number of psychedelic musicians did not take drugs, I wonder how accurate and helpful that closely focused statement is. This is purely anecdotal - I have not researched (came here to do that!) - but I assumed that psychedelic rock/music was the same as psychedelic drugs in that both were impacting on the mind in a way to alter consciousness. Mantras, sense deprivation, and breathing techniques can be psychedelic, but none of these are attempts to recreate drug experiences. I would accept that not all musicians were aiming for true psychedelic music - a number would be just copying what they liked, or felt was popular, and would be linking in with the drug culture rather more than the psychedelic one, and so deliberate drug references would used. It would seem to me that psychedelic rock/music might be a little vaguer and more varied than the lead would suggest. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:01, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I came to this page to also comment that the use of the term "replicate" came from "straight" journalists who assumed that if they heard weird sounds, then the idea was to create music that would "replicate the experience" for sober people. This idea was just part of the perspective of "straight" journalists trying to understand the counterculture.
Actually, psychedelic music was simply the music created by musicians in altered states. As such, it made sense to listeners in altered states, and just sounded weird to sober people.
No musicians ever thought that having a weird vibrato could replicate an altered state of mind.
Thus, the use of "replicate" throughout this article is just perpetuating a myth.
Anyone who thinks this is not true, should come up with interviews of Psychedelic musicians stating that they were trying to "replicate" - but I don't think those exist. 64.161.57.66 ( talk) 19:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
I propose that acid rock be merged into psychedelic rock. I think that the content in the acid rock article can easily be explained in the context of psychedelic rock, and the psychedelic rock article is of a reasonable size that the merging of acid rock will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 22:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I would argue that surf music and surf rock is one of the most important stylistic origins to psychedelic rock. The surf rock was probably the first genre where several different kinds of folk music, such as Middle Eastern, Arabic, Mexican and Hawaiian was incorporated into rock music, which arguably inspired the psychedelic rock music very much. Also I've heared some psychedelic musicians who say they were inspired by surf rock, in particular Dick Dale (who made a popular surf rock version of the Greek/Middle Eastern folk song Misirlou)
Am I right about this? I would have put surf music second to rock in the list of stylistic origins, in front of blues rock and jazz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WackoPsyco69orsomething ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I added the edit containing The Joker (Iran, early 1970s) to the International section. This adds to the article substantively. There were Asian bands that performed in the psychedelic style. Yet, User:Sabrebd removed the material, arguing that Lastfm was an illegitimate source. Can we get this mediated? This was the text: In Iran the Jokers were a pioneering psychedelic band, drawing influence from Cream and the MC5. These were the references I gave:
Dogru144 ( talk) 11:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Sources (which are limited) indicate that the band did not have a record label, were short-lived and little known, and their only album was recorded on tape in a garage in 1972 but not released until 2011. It was not released in Iran, but by the small Western label Fading Sunshine/Strawberry Rain with limited distribution. In the circumstances it is difficult to see how the band could have been pioneering. [3], [4], [5], [6]. When entering material on Wikipedia we need reliable sources, and we need editors who say what those sources say rather than add WP:Original research/subjective opinion in the form of phrasing such as "pioneering". SilkTork ✔Tea time 03:24, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I recommend to place a mention about Hungarian Galloping Coroners to the one of this section, as an interesting derivation of P.Rock. Galloping Coroners developed an own, unique "psychedelic hardcore" style, and as they admitted, they were deeply impressed by early Pink Floyd especially by The Piper at the Gates of Dawn and early krautrock bands like Amon Düül, Ash Ra Temple, Sun Ra. Dear Editors, please check GA, and share your opinion here! Thanks, -- Harom65 ( talk) 11:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't know this Galloping Coroners but i'm sure they're more important than Beatles in developing psychedelic rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.234.228.28 ( talk) 17:10, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Musique concrete was definitely an inspiration on later psychedelic rock bands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:199:4100:692C:69B7:91D3:5654:F78E ( talk) 05:30, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Ilovetopaint, can we discuss the issue here. I was all ready to ask for a third opinion, but the instructions are clear there, about the need for a talk page discussion first. I'm astounded by your latest comment, from all I've read about the reaction to "Norwegian Wood" at the time, the influence the song had on other Western musicians, and the resulting popularity that came Ravi Shankar's way (as he freely acknowledged). Back to the article (and as mentioned in a couple of my edits/reverts), specifically under Characteristics: "Major features [of psychedelic rock] include … non-Western instruments, specifically those originally used in Indian classical music such as the sitar and tabla." So how, would you say, can a mention that the first released recording with an Indian sitar part, played by a Western rock musician (separate from the point that other bands had tried to imitate the sound) not merit inclusion? JG66 ( talk) 19:02, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I object to the tag bombing that disfigured the article. A section or overall article tag would be more appropriate. If the tagger has time to identify all the areas they find objectionable, they have time to fix the article to their liking, not just walk away, leaving an unencyclopedic mess. Jus da fax 09:20, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
To clarify WP:UNDUE
Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources. Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight mean that articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects.
The following albums are mentioned:
None of the text elaborates upon these examples other than to say "they exist". Thus, further explanation is needed. Did they actually develop the genre? I'm not sure. I don't think so. Some of these are nice albums, indeed, but what did they do that was different from their predecessors? I'd rather have left it up for someone else to figure out.-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 20:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
The Piper is by far the most important album of british psychedelia. Some of the other mentioned are fairly important, but sure not milestones. The first Fairport Convention album is hardly noteworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 17:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
If interested, please offer support for a WikiProject focused on psychedelic music.-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 01:47, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Beatles are irrilevant on this page, you should remove it. They didn't influence psychedelic music, they didn't make psychedelic music, let alone art/avant/prog music. They only influenced Coldplay and Oasis. -- 151.51.124.56 ( talk) 15:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
It's irrelevant that I'm a "fan" of Dylan, but I take issue with putting any of his material into the "psychedelic" category, as it contains none of the key elements. I contend that nothing other than perhaps a passing mention in terms of "influence" is warranted. Whomever supports the concept that Dylan's music was in any way "psychedelic", I ask in GF that you substantially elaborate. Best wishes! Learner001 ( talk) 17:33, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
pls remove beatles from this page 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 21:11, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
The fact that they popularised psych rock, doesn't make them psych rock musicians. In Italy Giovanni Allevi popularized classical music, this doesn't make him a classical composer.
Most of that weren't psychedelic songs, in fact they were pop ditties with psychedelic studio effect, which is very different. Very few of them meets the requirements and anyway they didn't break new ground at all. Their contribution to the history of psych rock is very little, they contribution to it's development is inexistent. But it seems they are the band that is named more often in this page. Bands that have given much more considerable effort are not even mentioned.
Too bad most of the sources on which Wikipedia rely for rock music are written for the purpose of selling more records, not giving accurate informations. 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 15:58, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
quoting: "...If you ask me, I would have said there were a ton of garage/surf/freak scenes between 1961–65 that set the stage for psyche rock. But nobody seems to ever trace psychedelia that far. I've looked. People who write about this topic do tend to skew it in favor of pop groups after '66. I believe this is because "psychedelic rock" is too loose of a term. Its scope is usually limited to jammy hard rock from 1967–69 rather than a style of rock music that evokes a kind of dissociation"
i agree "psychedelic rock" is too lose of a term, but i believe there are some certain key points in it's history that denote some specific innovations in playing and songwriting. Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Doors, 13th Floor Elevators, Red Crayola, Velvet Underground, Silver Apples and early Pink Floyd were really groundbreaking. The few Beatles songs that fit into the psychedelic rock genre pales in comparison with them and also with countless other not so groundbreaking musicians that were still able to cut real psychedelic records (Love, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Deviants, Hawkwind, etc.)
Beach Boys are even less relevant in this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 14:14, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
You said that "psychedelic rock" is a loose term. Inclusion in a music genre also comes from the historical and cultural context. The United States of America is a good record, probably more "art" than "psych", but it would deserve a mention, more or less like it does Frank Zappa's debut which came much earlier. Actually the fact that it sounds more conventional makes it less interesing to me. I think that this page would be more exhaustive if it would mention those less conventional records that pushed forward the evolution of the genre, than those hundreds of conventional records that sounded more or less the same, or worse, a selection of those conventional records that happened to top the charts with very conservative and traditional songs plus a few utterly naive experiments like "Tomorrow Never Knows" and such. -- 5.88.53.150 ( talk) 23:14, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Sure Byrds (and many others, included Beatles) were heavily influenced by Beach Boys, but i don't think this makes Beach Boys a psych band. Byrds took non-psych influences (Beach Boys, Bob Dylan) and turned them into a psychedelic form of music (Elevators were influenced by Howlin' Wolf, this doesn't make him a psych musician).
But which are the "so many" psyche rock musicians that imitated the Beatles? I probably can't name any of them. Psychedelic rock was already full of eastern-sounding music and drug-related lyrics way before the harmonic bungle of "Within You Without You" and the silly semi-explicit reference to hallucinogens of "Lucy in The Sky with Diamonds". Their relevance to the topic has much more with popularizing the genre to a wider audience, than influencing other artists.
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