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Should the blurb enclosed by the {{ cleanup}} tags be reformatted? 100110100 05:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Elections for the provinces were meant to be every four years, which means they would've been in:
Thoughts anyone? -- Lholden ( talk) 07:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Two thoughts on the date format used in the table:
What should we use? Schwede 66 00:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I've been trying (without much success so far) to piece together the history of Stewart Island / Rakiura in relation to Provincial boundaries. As far as I can tell: The 1846 Constitution Act attaches Stewart Island / Rakiura to New Munster Province. The link to the 1852 Constitution Act only links to one section which contains no information about provincial boundaries.
A.H. McLintock, in “The History of Otago: The Origins and Growth of a Wakefield Class Settlement”, Otago Centennial Historical Publications, Dunedin, 1949, p. 411, states:
“Southland received but a small portion of the Murihiku Block, the province being confined to the area between the Mataura and Waiau Rivers, with the western limit running as a line from Eyre Peak to Lake Manapouri.”
This appears to indicate that Southland as created in 1861 did not include Stewart Island.
The citation I added a week or so back refers to Stewart Island having been annexed to Southland in 1863 after a period of not having been in any province. The missing data can't really be filled in until I can find the actual New Zealand Constitution Act 1852 - I've tried searching on the London Gazette site which has the text of the 1846 Act but it isn't helpful either. Daveosaurus ( talk) 06:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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In this section there is a claim that "some of the names of former provinces and current regions have a tendency to be preceded by 'the'". Examples are then given of where this is and isn't commonly the case.
Unfortunately, all bar one of the former provinces are listed as examples where 'the' is not commonly used. None of the examples where this is the case are former province names. So in effect, this claim is disproved by it's own examples.
Given this is the case, is there a logical place for this curious fact in another article (suitably amended)? Its-mrb ( talk) 03:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
The constitution text from 1846 (New Zealand Constitution Act 1846) says that NZ should be divided in two provinces, each of it on each island. -> New Zealand Constitution Act 1846 PDF 6.5 MB
In my understanding of the source I found, New Zealand was divided in three provinces by letters patent on 16th of November 1840 (not 1841) each of them in one island (North Island eq. New Ulster, South Island eq. New Munster and Stewart Island eq. New Leinster). On the 10th of March 1848 reform was done by proclamation. New Leinster was added to New Munster and the southern part of North Island from the mouth of Patea River to the East was added to New Munster als well.
This is the text I found: „The part of New Ulster south of the Patea River is added to New Munster by proclamation“.
Source: Alison Dench, Essential Dates - A Timeline of New Zealand History, Random House, Auckland 2005, ISBN=1-86941-689-9, Page 71
Another Text: „In 1846 a further Royal Charter divided the colony into two provinces and provided each with its own political institutions in addition to those of the central government. The two provinces were called New Ulster and New Munster. New Leinster was merged with the South Island and the southern portion of the North Island as far north as the mouth of the Pātea River in a reformed New Munster“.
Have a look here: ->
NZ History
Another source: New Zealander, Volume 3, Issue 187, 15th of March 1848 -> Paperpast
If this sourcees are right, the animated time line map is wrong and the text which describes the reformed provinces from 1846 on is wrong as well. Could it be, that Governor Grey mad his own decision, because he didn't accept royal charter from 1846. Does someone knows something in detail about it? -- Ulanwp ( talk) 18:29, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
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Should the blurb enclosed by the {{ cleanup}} tags be reformatted? 100110100 05:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Elections for the provinces were meant to be every four years, which means they would've been in:
Thoughts anyone? -- Lholden ( talk) 07:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Two thoughts on the date format used in the table:
What should we use? Schwede 66 00:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I've been trying (without much success so far) to piece together the history of Stewart Island / Rakiura in relation to Provincial boundaries. As far as I can tell: The 1846 Constitution Act attaches Stewart Island / Rakiura to New Munster Province. The link to the 1852 Constitution Act only links to one section which contains no information about provincial boundaries.
A.H. McLintock, in “The History of Otago: The Origins and Growth of a Wakefield Class Settlement”, Otago Centennial Historical Publications, Dunedin, 1949, p. 411, states:
“Southland received but a small portion of the Murihiku Block, the province being confined to the area between the Mataura and Waiau Rivers, with the western limit running as a line from Eyre Peak to Lake Manapouri.”
This appears to indicate that Southland as created in 1861 did not include Stewart Island.
The citation I added a week or so back refers to Stewart Island having been annexed to Southland in 1863 after a period of not having been in any province. The missing data can't really be filled in until I can find the actual New Zealand Constitution Act 1852 - I've tried searching on the London Gazette site which has the text of the 1846 Act but it isn't helpful either. Daveosaurus ( talk) 06:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
The article New Leinster Province is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Leinster Province until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
In this section there is a claim that "some of the names of former provinces and current regions have a tendency to be preceded by 'the'". Examples are then given of where this is and isn't commonly the case.
Unfortunately, all bar one of the former provinces are listed as examples where 'the' is not commonly used. None of the examples where this is the case are former province names. So in effect, this claim is disproved by it's own examples.
Given this is the case, is there a logical place for this curious fact in another article (suitably amended)? Its-mrb ( talk) 03:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
The constitution text from 1846 (New Zealand Constitution Act 1846) says that NZ should be divided in two provinces, each of it on each island. -> New Zealand Constitution Act 1846 PDF 6.5 MB
In my understanding of the source I found, New Zealand was divided in three provinces by letters patent on 16th of November 1840 (not 1841) each of them in one island (North Island eq. New Ulster, South Island eq. New Munster and Stewart Island eq. New Leinster). On the 10th of March 1848 reform was done by proclamation. New Leinster was added to New Munster and the southern part of North Island from the mouth of Patea River to the East was added to New Munster als well.
This is the text I found: „The part of New Ulster south of the Patea River is added to New Munster by proclamation“.
Source: Alison Dench, Essential Dates - A Timeline of New Zealand History, Random House, Auckland 2005, ISBN=1-86941-689-9, Page 71
Another Text: „In 1846 a further Royal Charter divided the colony into two provinces and provided each with its own political institutions in addition to those of the central government. The two provinces were called New Ulster and New Munster. New Leinster was merged with the South Island and the southern portion of the North Island as far north as the mouth of the Pātea River in a reformed New Munster“.
Have a look here: ->
NZ History
Another source: New Zealander, Volume 3, Issue 187, 15th of March 1848 -> Paperpast
If this sourcees are right, the animated time line map is wrong and the text which describes the reformed provinces from 1846 on is wrong as well. Could it be, that Governor Grey mad his own decision, because he didn't accept royal charter from 1846. Does someone knows something in detail about it? -- Ulanwp ( talk) 18:29, 21 August 2016 (UTC)