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This page points to a bookmark on Abiogenesis that no longer exists.
I do not believe that "No reason for this page to be edited without discussion" is appropriate. A page should need a reason to be protected not a reason NOT to be protected. Especially when it was almost 6 years ago. Please edit to point to: Abiogensis#Complex_biological_molecules_and_protocells
And unprotect. Aqmola ( talk) 14:56, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
<discussion> I propose that Protobiont be merged into Protocell. The reason is that it is the same concept: the hypothetical precursor of living cells, composed by aggregates of abiotically produced organic molecules surrounded by a membrane. The two names are even used by biologists as synonyms: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. BatteryIncluded ( talk) 19:29, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
How is the section on "endosymbiotic theory" relevant to this article? The page is about protocells — hypothetical precursors of the first prokaryotes. The endosymbiotic theory is about the transition from prokaryotes to eukaryotes — a different, much later stage in the history of life on earth. Is the section here due to confusion between the terms "protocell" and "proteobacteria"? Kalidasa 777 ( talk) 03:52, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
You are right. Thanks. -- BatteryIncluded ( talk) 14:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
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help page)."A central question in evolution is how simple protocells first arose and how they could differ in reproductive output, thus enabling the accumulation of novel biological emergences over time, i.e. biological evolution".
Isn't it a more central question in abiogenesis than in evolution? It is not a question which needs to be answered for evolution to be practical, like establishing phylogenetic trees, predicting where to look to discover a transitional fossil, etc. For biological evolution and studying life diversity, aspects such as genetic drift, natural selection, alleles, speciation, etc. appear to be more central than understanding how protocells first arose. I would propose the following sentence instead, which is simpler and less likely to be misunderstood:
"A central question in abiogenesis is how simple protocells first arose".
Thanks, 76.10.128.192 ( talk) 03:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Casual reader here-- have noticed on the Planet Simulator page that the associated researchers have claimed to produce protocells in preliminary tests. Does this warrant an update of the sentence "Although a functional protocell has not yet been achieved in a laboratory setting, the goal to understand the process appears well within reach."? [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.75.2.18 ( talk) 22:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
A self-replicating protocell was recently produced. See https://newatlas.com/biology/self-replicating-protocells-life-missing-link/ and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-25530-6 . The Wikipedia article thus needs to be updated to reflect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.8.246 ( talk) 21:06, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
reference link 5 seems to be broken. Anyone know how to find a live/active version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.112.20 ( talk) 01:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
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This page points to a bookmark on Abiogenesis that no longer exists.
I do not believe that "No reason for this page to be edited without discussion" is appropriate. A page should need a reason to be protected not a reason NOT to be protected. Especially when it was almost 6 years ago. Please edit to point to: Abiogensis#Complex_biological_molecules_and_protocells
And unprotect. Aqmola ( talk) 14:56, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
<discussion> I propose that Protobiont be merged into Protocell. The reason is that it is the same concept: the hypothetical precursor of living cells, composed by aggregates of abiotically produced organic molecules surrounded by a membrane. The two names are even used by biologists as synonyms: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. BatteryIncluded ( talk) 19:29, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
How is the section on "endosymbiotic theory" relevant to this article? The page is about protocells — hypothetical precursors of the first prokaryotes. The endosymbiotic theory is about the transition from prokaryotes to eukaryotes — a different, much later stage in the history of life on earth. Is the section here due to confusion between the terms "protocell" and "proteobacteria"? Kalidasa 777 ( talk) 03:52, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
You are right. Thanks. -- BatteryIncluded ( talk) 14:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
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Knowles 1980
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).pph.2006
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page)."A central question in evolution is how simple protocells first arose and how they could differ in reproductive output, thus enabling the accumulation of novel biological emergences over time, i.e. biological evolution".
Isn't it a more central question in abiogenesis than in evolution? It is not a question which needs to be answered for evolution to be practical, like establishing phylogenetic trees, predicting where to look to discover a transitional fossil, etc. For biological evolution and studying life diversity, aspects such as genetic drift, natural selection, alleles, speciation, etc. appear to be more central than understanding how protocells first arose. I would propose the following sentence instead, which is simpler and less likely to be misunderstood:
"A central question in abiogenesis is how simple protocells first arose".
Thanks, 76.10.128.192 ( talk) 03:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Casual reader here-- have noticed on the Planet Simulator page that the associated researchers have claimed to produce protocells in preliminary tests. Does this warrant an update of the sentence "Although a functional protocell has not yet been achieved in a laboratory setting, the goal to understand the process appears well within reach."? [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.75.2.18 ( talk) 22:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
A self-replicating protocell was recently produced. See https://newatlas.com/biology/self-replicating-protocells-life-missing-link/ and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-25530-6 . The Wikipedia article thus needs to be updated to reflect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.8.246 ( talk) 21:06, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
reference link 5 seems to be broken. Anyone know how to find a live/active version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.112.20 ( talk) 01:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 30 September 2023 and 8 December 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Dylan Vecchione (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Pmonreal.
— Assignment last updated by Pmonreal ( talk) 22:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)